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Title: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 21, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
Your top guy Malik Scott got beaten by a bloody Zimbabwean last night, Dereck Chisora. Where are all the decent American hws?
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Bosch on July 21, 2013, 12:53:11 PM
Klitschko has happened to them. ::)
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Post by: G_Thang on July 21, 2013, 12:53:42 PM
NFL and NBA.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 21, 2013, 12:58:27 PM
Why do you act so gayyyyyyyyyyyy you re gonna go play in the NBAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
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Post by: THEBOSS on July 21, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
NFL and NBA.
Bullshit . The euro's have simply started recovering from two world wars and the iron curtain coming down . It has become a global sport instead of an American one pretending to be .
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Beefjake on July 21, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
The euro's have simply started recovering from two world wars and the iron curtain coming down . It has become a global sport instead of an American one pretending to be .

This.
Lots of poverty and hunger in the east as well. They've just started to get their passports.

Poverty and hunger. As in, it seems to be a breeding ground for great boxers. A way out of it.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
(http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/e/ed/DeontayWilder.jpg/300px-DeontayWilder.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 21, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Your top guy Malik Scott got beaten by a bloody Zimbabwean last night, Dereck Chisora. Where are all the decent American hws?
not a fan of chisora....
but him being a zimbabwean has exactly what to do with anything exactly
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 21, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
Im making a point that Zimbabwe isnt exactly a hotbed of boxing talent and history
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 21, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
I don't know if any of you guys have boxed. It's brutal getting punched. As tough as the NFL is it's still better than getting punched. Black athletes in the US dream of being a football player and not a boxer.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:22:45 PM
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Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: K-1 on July 21, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
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You think he's ready?

I'm not sold on him.

I love his recklessness though.

(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Deontay+Wilder+Amir+Khan+v+Julio+Diaz+8_wkG3lc2A_x.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:28:13 PM
  Deontay looks like Lebron    huge strong black athletic body     has been getting better      I once had hope for Michael Grant   but he kept breaking his ankles
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
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Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
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Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 21, 2013, 02:32:27 PM
Im making a point that Zimbabwe isnt exactly a hotbed of boxing talent and history

he lives in england
his nationality is stated as british citizen he has lived there since 99
....????
people like you.... are just amazing....
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: local hero on July 21, 2013, 02:33:27 PM
 Deontay looks like Lebron    huge strong black athletic body     has been getting better      I once had hope for Michael Grant   but he kept breaking his ankles

i think deonte is being very carefully managed,,,, i think he has a problem with his chin, i read or heard an interview saying such
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:35:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/boxing/post/_/id/598/the-case-michael-grant-3
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 21, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
scott didnt actually lose i you watch the fight you will see he was on one knee waiting on the count to get to 9



Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: K-1 on July 21, 2013, 02:36:39 PM
i think deonte is being very carefully managed,,,, i think he has a problem with his chin, i read or heard an interview saying such

that's kinda what my concerns are about him. He needs to campaign for another 2-3 years..take some more shots, build up grit under heavy fire then he'll be ready for a title go.

put him in there now vs Wlad and he'd get demolished.

He has great potential though.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:39:52 PM



 he was ktfo with head gear


 but so were bute, tua, etc
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 21, 2013, 02:42:05 PM



felix savon brutally ko'd david tua with head gear on with a small right
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: dj181 on July 21, 2013, 02:53:06 PM
(http://chrisharrispr.com/uploads/3/1/5/1/3151930/3755090_orig.jpg?255)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: polychronopolous on July 21, 2013, 03:13:04 PM
(http://chrisharrispr.com/uploads/3/1/5/1/3151930/3755090_orig.jpg?255)

Ken Norton had a solid build for a heavyweight too.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 21, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
Remember when Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw winning the first fight? He really had an odd fighting style crossing his arms in defense. He really paid for all the battles he was in like so many other fighters.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: _bruce_ on July 21, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
Klitschko has happened to them. ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: che on July 21, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
NFL and NBA.

Yeah  NBA and NFL didn't exist in the  70's , 80's ,90's   ::) .

The problem is gyms closing all over America , our gym is free and barely surviving( thanks to sponsors ) , it's hard to pay rent ,utilities , buy  equipment .....etc  when you don't charge a cent to the fighters , unlike MMA guys  most boxers come from poverty and broken families ,most of  these kids don't even have money to buy a pair of boots let alone have money to  pay for a membership.

Just google ''boxing gym closing'' and you'll see , this has been happening for the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: G_Thang on July 21, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Bullshit . The euro's have simply started recovering from two world wars and the iron curtain coming down . It has become a global sport instead of an American one pretending to be .

The talent pool in the USA is going after football and basketball money instead of boxing. Shit, they are even going after rap careers now instead of boxing.   Take half of the NFL and NBA and train them in soccer in youth leagues vs peewee football and basketball camps and watch how many World Cups the USA would win.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: G_Thang on July 21, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
Yeah  NBA and NFL didn't exist in the  70's , 80's ,90's   ::) .

What did the contracts look like back than? There are plenty of source elements and articles on black talent going after nfl, nba and even rap career money vs not boxing in their youth now.

 ::)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 21, 2013, 11:37:38 PM
Ali took too much rope a dope effected his head but I think the best ever.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 22, 2013, 12:51:08 AM
he lives in england
his nationality is stated as british citizen he has lived there since 99
....????
people like you.... are just amazing....


I dont give a fuck, hes born to 2 Zimbabweans, all his heritage is Zimbabwean - HE is Zimbabwean!
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: che on July 22, 2013, 05:34:18 PM
The talent pool in the USA is going after football and basketball money instead of boxing. Shit, they are even going after rap careers now instead of boxing.   Take half of the NFL and NBA and train them in soccer in youth leagues vs peewee football and basketball camps and watch how many World Cups the USA would win.

Yeah because being 6'5'' ,  300lbs is great for soccer ,  ::) , fuck you are the biggest retard on this site .

What did the contracts look like back than? There are plenty of source elements and articles on black talent going after nfl, nba and even rap career money vs not boxing in their youth now.

 ::)

Jamal's dad : OK son  it's time to choose now , what do you want to do ?  do you want a NBA ring ? do you want play in the Superbowl or do you want be a HW champion of the world ?

9 years old Jamal : I don't know dad , what does a NFL  contract look like nowadays  ?

 ::)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 22, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
I dont give a fuck, hes born to 2 Zimbabweans, all his heritage is Zimbabwean - HE is Zimbabwean!

Completely missed the point
But ok man whatever you say
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Kwon_2 on July 22, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
Completely missed the point
But ok man whatever you say

Point is he is Zimbabwean
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 24, 2013, 02:24:34 AM
I have a chance to move to Australia soon, does that mean ill be Australian!No!
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: gee38 on July 24, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
darren what nationality are the following

prince charles
lennox lewis
cliff richards


over to you mr griffin
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 24, 2013, 04:39:45 AM
darren what nationality are the following

prince charles
lennox lewis
cliff richards


over to you mr griffin

Charles is British with some German
Lennox Lewis is British with Jamaican
Cliff Richards is Britsh with Indian i believe

Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: THEBOSS on July 24, 2013, 05:04:46 AM
The talent pool in the USA is going after football and basketball money instead of boxing. Shit, they are even going after rap careers now instead of boxing.   Take half of the NFL and NBA and train them in soccer in youth leagues vs peewee football and basketball camps and watch how many World Cups the USA would win.
::)    Did you not read the point about the wars and the iron curtain . fact is there were barely any fighters period over 200 pounds prior to the last 25 years . Boxing is a global sport right now and the USA is simply competing with opposition that didn't exist prior to the mid 90s .
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: CalvinH on July 24, 2013, 05:10:20 AM
che knows his shit  8)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 24, 2013, 05:14:16 AM
Rocky Marcino never defeated.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: dj181 on July 24, 2013, 05:40:35 AM
Rocky Marcino never defeated.

and he weighed lees than 2 bills 8)

is this fella a twink for you stud? and would you call him a twink to his face ;)

(http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/hearns-thomas-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 24, 2013, 05:43:19 AM
and he weighed lees than 2 bills 8)

is this fella a twink for you stud? and would you call him a twink to his face ;)

(http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/hearns-thomas-11.jpg)
He was good but Sugar Ray Robinson beat him up.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: dj181 on July 24, 2013, 05:44:47 AM
He was good but Sugar Ray Robinson beat him up.

lol

don't you mean Hagler ???
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 24, 2013, 05:50:34 AM
lol

don't you mean Hagler ???
A brain fart, Sugar Ray Leonard beat Hagler once.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: dj181 on July 24, 2013, 06:02:38 AM
A brain fart, Sugar Ray Leonard beat Hagler once.

was he the one that made Duran say "no mas" ???
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 24, 2013, 06:06:48 AM
was he the one that made Duran say "no mas" ???
Yes Duran said no mas, but Duran was very tough 119 fights 104 wins.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Parker on July 24, 2013, 06:11:52 AM
and he weighed lees than 2 bills 8)

is this fella a twink for you stud? and would you call him a twink to his face ;)

(http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/hearns-thomas-11.jpg)
empty eyes there, very empty eyes.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: dj181 on July 24, 2013, 06:13:30 AM
empty eyes there, very empty eyes.

so what's this mean in your opinion?

that's he's ruthless and fearless? or something else?
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 24, 2013, 06:54:05 AM
Thats Tommy Hitman Hearns p4p one of the hardest hitters ever, welterweight champ ended up fighting as heavy as cruiserweight. Out of the famous Kronk gym.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Man of Steel on July 24, 2013, 06:59:28 AM
I'm just assuming that the HW ranks in boxing for US fighters has declined because everyone is or is training to cage fight now since HW boxing is now boring in comparison.
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Post by: Whiskey on July 24, 2013, 07:02:45 AM
and he weighed lees than 2 bills 8)

is this fella a twink for you stud? and would you call him a twink to his face ;)

(http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/hearns-thomas-11.jpg)

P4P, one of the hardest punchers in boxing, Hearns had a right cross from hell.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 24, 2013, 07:26:36 AM
I'm just assuming that the HW ranks in boxing for US fighters has declined because everyone is or is training to cage fight now since HW boxing is now boring in comparison.

Actually most people i know consider 2 men in underpants wrapping their legs round each other to be boring and most prefer a stand up fist fight which is what boxing is, you obviously like watching 2 men wrapping their legs round each other so have fun.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: _bruce_ on July 24, 2013, 11:21:38 AM
Ground hog "game" sucks - boxing rules.
Hope your friend is freed from prison and will rule the heavies... forgot his name.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 24, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTasbkpg2Qyv32kh06873p588sb7h74eT2GyTo53Kisu148kQeYxQ)
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Post by: _bruce_ on July 24, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTasbkpg2Qyv32kh06873p588sb7h74eT2GyTo53Kisu148kQeYxQ)

He sure has changed a lot.  :D
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Post by: beakdoctor on July 24, 2013, 02:24:40 PM
He sure has changed a lot.  :D

Not the same person...

What happened to them....generation nothingness happened to them. They, the American HW's, have shitty work ethics, horrible influences and a wannabe thug mentality. The best of them rely heavily on their genetic strengths. Very few of them learn the art of boxing or have the discipline. Their focus is on other shit all together. I guess you could sum it up by blaming hip-hop culture. The bottom line is none of them want to hear criticism, none of them want to work hard, they are more interested the life style of a pro athelete and not the actual effort involved.They all wanna hear about how great they are after trouncing 25 or 30 tomato cans. Most of them fall apart after one loss.

It's funny how shit talkers always say they are emulating Ali...but they never learned how to jab, slip puches, dance and move or even rope-a-dope like Ali, only how to shit talk.

Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on July 24, 2013, 03:07:29 PM
 that is the prince charles that james toney ktfo
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Post by: Nomad on July 24, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Not the same person...

What happened to them....generation nothingness happened to them. They, the American HW's, have shitty work ethics, horrible influences and a wannabe thug mentality. The best of them rely heavily on their genetic strengths. Very few of them learn the art of boxing or have the discipline. Their focus is on other shit all together. I guess you could sum it up by blaming hip-hop culture. The bottom line is none of them want to hear criticism, none of them want to work hard, they are more interested the life style of a pro athelete and not the actual effort involved.They all wanna hear about how great they are after trouncing 25 or 30 tomato cans. Most of them fall apart after one loss.

It's funny how shit talkers always say they are emulating Ali...but they never learned how to jab, slip puches, dance and move or even rope-a-dope like Ali, only how to shit talk.



haha oh wow.

Why would you want to emulate ali, fight with hands down and take punches needlessly.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 24, 2013, 03:13:51 PM
They don't lift.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: beakdoctor on July 24, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
haha oh wow.

Why would you want to emulate ali, fight with hands down and take punches needlessly.

That was only the 74-80 version of Ali.

Why would you want to emulate him? Because he was great. He was in fantastic condition, worked his ass off. Was tough as hell. Had fast hands and a decent punch. All that other bullshit was for show. He was a great boxer.

Plus he fought anybody and everybody. He cleaned out the division...Can you imagine Ali being a champ and allowing somebody else in the division to call themselves champ too. No fucking way. Today there are 3 and 4 champs per wt class. The point of being a champion is totally lost on todays fighters.

Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: Darren Avey on July 24, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
Ground hog "game" sucks - boxing rules.
Hope your friend is freed from prison and will rule the heavies... forgot his name.

James Stabler, yeh hes out and making his pro debut in September!
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: arce1988 on August 10, 2013, 05:07:08 PM
ttt
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Post by: arce1988 on December 08, 2013, 08:53:44 PM




more broken ankles from KO's
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Post by: thebrink on December 09, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Bullshit . The euro's have simply started recovering from two world wars and the iron curtain coming down . It has become a global sport instead of an American one pretending to be .

yipp!
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Post by: funk51 on December 09, 2013, 11:16:59 AM
Your top guy Malik Scott got beaten by a bloody Zimbabwean last night, Dereck Chisora. Where are all the decent American hws?
better question is what happened to all heavyweight boxers division sucks. fights are slow and boring. every fighter seems to be employing the james bonehugger smith vs tyson strategy.  the lighter weights put on much better fights see glenn tapia vs james kirkland just lately for a good entertaining fight.
Title: Re: Whats happened to american hw boxers?
Post by: local hero on December 09, 2013, 01:14:05 PM
better question is what happened to all heavyweight boxers division sucks. fights are slow and boring. every fighter seems to be employing the james bonehugger smith vs tyson strategy.  the lighter weights put on much better fights see glenn tapia vs james kirkland just lately for a good entertaining fight.

tapia's corner should have pulled him out a few rounds earlier.....
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Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 09, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
here's Cuba's finest ever

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Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 09, 2013, 01:30:34 PM
I don't know if any of you guys have boxed. It's brutal getting punched. As tough as the NFL is it's still better than getting punched. Black athletes in the US dream of being a football player and not a boxer.

it fucking kills in the nose.