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train full of christians in spain destroyed
bus full of christians in indiana destroyed
bus full of christians in italy destroyed
in less than five days
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Part of his plan. Bad planner?
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This is one of the most difficult questions for Christians to answer.
The “problem of pain,” as the well-known Christian scholar, C.S. Lewis, once called it, is atheism’s most potent weapon against the Christian faith.
All true science and history, if rightly understood, support the fact of God. This evidence is so strong that, as the Bible says: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God” (Psalm 14:1).
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Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in “no God”, must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these.
That is, they say, how can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness, pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly by those who are apparently innocent? Either He is not a God of love and is indifferent to human suffering, or else He is not a God of power and is therefore helpless to do anything about it. In either case, the Biblical God who is supposedly one of both absolute power and perfect love becomes an impossible anachronism. Or so they claim!
This is a real difficulty, but atheism is certainly not the answer, and neither is agnosticism. While there is much evil in the world, there is even more that is good. This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can. Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad”.
We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).
We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.
Having settled this by faith, we are then free to seek for ways in which we can profit spiritually from the sufferings in life, as well as the blessings. As we consider such matters, it is helpful to keep the following great truths continually in our minds.
There is really no such thing as the “innocent” suffering.
Since “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God’s wrath on the basis of his own innocence.
As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Elderly woman in wheelchair. Photo copyrighted. The world is now under God’s Curse (Genesis 3:17) because of man’s rebellion against God’s Word.
This “bondage of corruption,” with the “whole world groaning and travailing together in pain” (Romans 8:21-22), is universal, affecting all men and women and children everywhere. God did not create the world this way, and one day will set all things right again. In that day, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” (Revelation 21:4).
Jesus on the cross. Click here to read about Jesus. (Illustration copyrighted)
Learn about how much Jesus Christ suffered
The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly “innocent” and “righteous” man in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever lived.
And this He did for us! “Christ died for our sins” (I Corinthians 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior. This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
With our full faith in God’s goodness and in Christ’s redemption, we can recognize that our present sufferings can be turned to His glory and our good.
The sufferings of unsaved men are often used by the Holy Spirit to cause them to realize their needs of salvation and to turn to Christ in repentance and faith. The sufferings of Christians should always be the means of developing a stronger dependence on God and a more Christ-like character, if they are properly “exercised thereby” (Hebrews 12:11).
Thus, God is loving and merciful, even when, “for the present,” He allows trials and sufferings to come in our lives.
“For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28).
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CSWOL is gonna shut him down.
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Clearly God is displeased with mass-transportation! Drive more cars!
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these people all died horrific deaths doing some thing for god not while doing any work for evil does this make sense to any one? no 'they went straight to heaven' replies god has to have a better way of sending you up stairs
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these people all died horrific deaths doing some thing for god not while doing any work for evil does this make sense to any one? no they went straight to heaven replies god has to have a better way of sending you up stairs
Maybe he doesn't like Christians.
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Maybe he doesn't like Christians.
It does seem obvious that Christianity is wrong.
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ancient human scientists created dinosaurs. it's true, i read it somewhere
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hmmmm
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Everybody want to go to heaven but no one want to die.
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Who needs God when you have CSWOLIOSIS
Shutting DOWN all other religions!
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Who needs God when you have CSWOLIOSIS
Shutting DOWN all other religions!
Cswol SHUTS THEM DOWN, AND ARCE IS THE GATEKEEPER TO HEAVEN!
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/arce97/cswol3.jpg)
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I was 2 miles away from that bus wreck in Indianapolis. Me and my ire were on the north side for lunch and just getting ready to head over right here that happened. We decided to head one instead. When we got home we herd about it. Very sad, 3 people killed.a husband and his pregnant wife and a mother of 5 was killed.
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Like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny...it's all made up. Sorry to be the one to let you know.
Guy in the sky vs the evil devil below....grrrr, who will win?
Hahah. Damn, people are funny.
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Oh boy... here we go with a copy-paste from Christian Answers (http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html). Let's dissect this irrational, nonsensical bullshit point by point, shall we?
This is one of the most difficult questions for Christians to answer.
It sure is... and something tells me that after we're done dissecting the wall of text you copy-pasted, we won't be any closer to an answer, let alone a good answer.
The “problem of pain,” as the well-known Christian scholar, C.S. Lewis, once called it, is atheism’s most potent weapon against the Christian faith.
Hardly. The most potent weapon is the most trivial one: one single question. "Define what the term 'God' providing attributes that we can use to understand what this entity is. Ready? Set! Go!"
All true science and history, if rightly understood, support the fact of God. This evidence is so strong that, as the Bible says: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God” (Psalm 14:1).
LOL... yes... if "rightly understood" "true science" and "history" support the "fact" of "God." Can you define "God" for us? Just so we know how to "rightly understand" "true science" and "history" so as to make sure it supports him.
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Good thing you didn't reproduce it without authorization here, then...
Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in “no God”, must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these.
No. Most atheists without any objective evidence on which to base a faith in God - or even a definition of what they're supposed to have faith in - simply see no point in faith/belief. Atheists don't assert God exists. Christians do and so the burden of proof is on them.
That is, they say, how can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness, pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly by those who are apparently innocent? Either He is not a God of love and is indifferent to human suffering, or else He is not a God of power and is therefore helpless to do anything about it. In either case, the Biblical God who is supposedly one of both absolute power and perfect love becomes an impossible anachronism. Or so they claim!
It's not what atheists claim. Either the Christian God is a god of love and mercy or he isn't. It's not surprising if you can't tell us which Coach; apparently, even your deity isn't sure...
This is a real difficulty, but atheism is certainly not the answer, and neither is agnosticism.
Nice try. Atheism doesn't claim to be the answer - or even an answer. And most atheists don't think that the question "why do bad things happen to good people" requires an answer, since the question is loaded to begin with: it assumes a guiding force.
This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can.
They do, don't they? Which raises the interesting question of "why". Why do Christians do that when the after-life is so very much better and more preferable to them? They get to hang out with the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and they can have all the cotton candy they want!
Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad”.
What does this even mean? What's "higher order of truth" and how is "good" higher than "bad" on this scale?
We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God.
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. But let's see what comes next...
We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
In other words: "Your puny mind cannot possibly comprehend God so don't even try - and if you do, it's an insult to God and you're questioning him. Who are you to question God you foolish little ant?"
This is the religion you claim to follow? A religion that requires that you don't use your brain and you don't ask questions? Ask yourself, why would your God endow you with intellect only to, then, require you to forego its use?
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
So far he seems to be doing a piss-poor job. Why would you assume any differently going forward?
“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).
Yes, why not?
We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.
And that's your problem. You assume that things like "right" and "wrong" come from some mystical, supernatural source. Therefore, an action can be right one time and wrong another, depending on the whims of this mystical, supernatural source.
Having settled this by faith, we are then free to seek for ways in which we can profit spiritually from the sufferings in life, as well as the blessings. As we consider such matters, it is helpful to keep the following great truths continually in our minds.
You haven't settled anything.
There is really no such thing as the “innocent” suffering.
No, of course not. There's no such thing as the “innocent” suffering. A one year old little girl dying of cancer (http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/baby-who-fought-cancer-with-mom-dies/) isn't “innocent” and didn't suffer. The millions of children in Africa, dying of starvation (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/two-million-east-african-infants-are-now-starving-2333270.html) aren't “innocent” and didn't suffer. I could go on quoting...
You offend me Coach. You offend me just by copy-pasting this fucking bullshit. And you should offend every rational human being for saying and believing this bullshit.
Since “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God’s wrath on the basis of his own innocence.
Ah yes... sin. The great weapon of Christianity. The weapon with which Christianity keeps its children in bondage. The noose on the neck of everyone - a noose that's there by birth - by the virtue of being born. I've quoted this part of Ayn Rand's writings before; time to quote it again:
Damnation is the start of your morality, destruction is its purpose, means and end. Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accepts his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.
It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some explicable claim upon him - it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.
The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin. A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man's sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man's nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.
Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a 'tendency' to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.
What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge - he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil - he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor - he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire - he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy - all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man's fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was - that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love - he was not man.
Man's fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he's man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives. They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.
As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Your ideology is vile and contemptible - see the above quoted text for the proof.
The world is now under God’s Curse (Genesis 3:17) because of man’s rebellion against God’s Word.
A very loving God, your God. He curses his creation for doing what he knew they would do...
This “bondage of corruption,” with the “whole world groaning and travailing together in pain” (Romans 8:21-22), is universal, affecting all men and women and children everywhere. God did not create the world this way, and one day will set all things right again. In that day, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” (Revelation 21:4).
Even if God didn't create the world this way, why doesn't he change it? NOW, not some future day. Oh, wait. I forgot. You're not supposed to ask questions of your Lord. Only to obey and worship.
The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly “innocent” and “righteous” man in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever lived.
Did he now? He suffered more than a girl who suffered horrific burns when she was only six months old? (http://metro.co.uk/2010/12/19/dorah-mokoena-girl-with-worst-burns-ever-known-issues-candle-warning-615448/) He suffered more than a victim of a horrible acid attack (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/21/world/asia/india-acid-attack)? More than Sgt. Travis Mills who lost all his limbs in an IED attack (http://travismills.org/)?
Again. You offend me. You revolt me. You are a disgrace and a pitiful excuse for a human.
And this He did for us! “Christ died for our sins” (I Corinthians 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior. This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
Yes... he did all this for us - to save us. Sounds amazing, until you realize that he's, supposedly, saving us from himself.
With our full faith in God’s goodness and in Christ’s redemption, we can recognize that our present sufferings can be turned to His glory and our good.
Yes... your god is very good. He lets children suffer and starve, infants to get horribly burned and disfigured or die of cancer, women to be raped or disfigured, and men to be brutally maimed or killed.
Your God, if he exists, is full of something. Love isn't it.
Thus, God is loving and merciful, even when, “for the present,” He allows trials and sufferings to come in our lives.
Yeah... no biggie. What's a bout with cancer. Or the pain of a child dying. God is so loving and merciful! How can you believe this shit?
I'll close by repeating: Joe, you offend me. And those who believe this bullshit you pasted offend me too.
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God is BS for kids, hope this helps.
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Haha, avxo ripping coach another one...
For many religious people it is simple: If it's good, god did it.
If it's bad, things get more complicated because they can't just say "god did it" so depending on who you ask:
"god has a plan"
"god works in mysterious ways"
"satan did it"
"they paid for their sins"
"don't question these things"
or they just try to look the other way and pretend they didn't see it.
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Haha, avxo ripping coach another one...
For many religious people it is simple: If it's good, god did it.
If it's bad, things get more complicated because they can't just say "god did it" so depending on who you ask:
"god has a plan"
"god works in mysterious ways"
"satan did it"
"they paid for their sins"
"don't question these things"
or they just try to look the other way and pretend they didn't see it.
Amen to that brother!
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Sorry it offended, too bad. But you actually think I'm going to sit on here and defend my faith to a bunch of atheists who can't even decipher there own thoughts, you're wrong. I did this years ago with thread upon thread post upon post. If I cut and paste what I believe then thats what I do. PERIOD.
I don't have to defend my faith to ANYONE. If you want to sit hear and think atheism is an actual defense to not be accountable then thats your decision. BTW, I don't have as much time on my hands nor do I have the patients to pick apart a post (with quotes) just to say YOU'RE wrong. Hope this helps.
BTW, just because your writing is articulate and somewhat eloquent, doesn't exactly make you the most intelligent one in the room. You have your beliefs, I have mine.
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Amen to that brother!
Just because you think you "RIPPED" me still doesn't make you right.
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I would have to say because axvo is taking so long to respond, I would have to assume he's writing another long winded article....er, post.
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Sorry it offended, too bad. But you actually think I'm going to sit on here and defend my faith to a bunch of atheists who can't even decipher there own thoughts, you're wrong. I did this years ago with thread upon thread post upon post. If I cut and paste what I believe then thats what I do. PERIOD.
I'm not asking you to justify or defend your faith. I'm asking you if you really believe what you copy-pasted: that children dying of cancer is justified and a-okay because they're not "innocent"? If you really believe that Jesus suffered more than anyone else ever. And if you really believe that a good and loving God would subject and condemn anyone to suffering, when it was in his power to end that suffering.
I don't have to defend my faith to ANYONE. If you want to sit hear and think atheism is an actual defense to not be accountable then thats your decision. BTW, I don't have as much time on my hands nor do I have the patients to pick apart a post (with quotes) just to say YOU'RE wrong. Hope this helps.
If you can point to a single thing I've said that's wrong, you're more than welcome.
BTW, just because your writing is articulate and somewhat eloquent, doesn't exactly make you the most intelligent one in the room.
I never said I was.
You have your beliefs, I have mine.
The difference is that my beliefs are rational and I can justify them. Yours boil down to copy-pasting.
I would have to say because axvo is taking so long to respond, I would have to assume he's writing another long winded article....er, post.
I was actually doing some bench presses. You know... healthy mind in a healthy body and all that jazz. ;D
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I'm not asking you to justify or defend your faith. I'm asking you if you really believe what you copy-pasted: that children dying of cancer is justified and a-okay because they're not "innocent"? If you really believe that Jesus suffered more than anyone else ever. And if you really believe that a good and loving God would subject and condemn anyone to suffering, when it was in his power to end that suffering.
If you can point to a single thing I've said that's wrong, you're more than welcome.
I never said I was.
The difference is that my beliefs are rational and I can justify them. Yours boil down to copy-pasting.
I was actually doing some bench presses. You know... healthy mind in a healthy body and all that jazz. ;D
You'd have to be a big piece of shit to think any child suffering is okay because they are not innocent.
Only religion would say or think this.
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You'd have to be a big piece of shit to think any child suffering is okay because they are not innocent.
Only religion would say or think this.
The answer from Christian Answers, which Coach posted here, says exactly that...
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The answer from Christian Answers, which Coach posted here, says exactly that...
Awful. >:( >:(
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Most of the so called "horrific" deaths only look horrific in the eyes of us...Pain sensors get shut down within seconds in a lot of cases...
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Most of the so called "horrific" deaths only look horrific in the eyes of us...Pain sensors get shut down within seconds in a lot of cases...
Even if that is true (and I certainly agree that the science shows that nerves quickly depolarize and then, on top of that, the brain shuts down fairly quickly once pain thresholds are exceeded) death isn't always the end result.
If you're brave, read this. Then ask yourself "why would God allow this to happen?":
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4369509/I-gave-my-baby-90-per-cent-burns-years-on-she-has-forgiven-me.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4369509/I-gave-my-baby-90-per-cent-burns-years-on-she-has-forgiven-me.html).
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6 teens also died in a crash here in Canada. The lord works in mysterios ways I guess.
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Allah.
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I'm sure a lot of Moslems have died horrifically the last few days as well.
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There are no accidents
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life is a serious of random events
if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you are fucked
religion has nothing to do with it
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god is a superstition.
some crazy dude names a religion after himself and it lasts 2013 years (Jesus Christ.. Christ-ians).
Didn't David Koresh do the same thing? what's the difference? None.
all 'theist' religion's are based on superstition and fear. all a bunch of crap.
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Oh boy... here we go with a copy-paste from Christian Answers (http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html). Let's dissect this irrational, nonsensical bullshit point by point, shall we?
It sure is... and something tells me that after we're done dissecting the wall of text you copy-pasted, we won't be any closer to an answer, let alone a good answer.
Hardly. The most potent weapon is the most trivial one: one single question. "Define what the term 'God' providing attributes that we can use to understand what this entity is. Ready? Set! Go!"
LOL... yes... if "rightly understood" "true science" and "history" support the "fact" of "God." Can you define "God" for us? Just so we know how to "rightly understand" "true science" and "history" so as to make sure it supports him.
Good thing you didn't reproduce it without authorization here, then...
No. Most atheists without any objective evidence on which to base a faith in God - or even a definition of what they're supposed to have faith in - simply see no point in faith/belief. Atheists don't assert God exists. Christians do and so the burden of proof is on them.
It's not what atheists claim. Either the Christian God is a god of love and mercy or he isn't. It's not surprising if you can't tell us which Coach; apparently, even your deity isn't sure...
Nice try. Atheism doesn't claim to be the answer - or even an answer. And most atheists don't think that the question "why do bad things happen to good people" requires an answer, since the question is loaded to begin with: it assumes a guiding force.
They do, don't they? Which raises the interesting question of "why". Why do Christians do that when the after-life is so very much better and more preferable to them? They get to hang out with the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and they can have all the cotton candy they want!
What does this even mean? What's "higher order of truth" and how is "good" higher than "bad" on this scale?
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. But let's see what comes next...
In other words: "Your puny mind cannot possibly comprehend God so don't even try - and if you do, it's an insult to God and you're questioning him. Who are you to question God you foolish little ant?"
This is the religion you claim to follow? A religion that requires that you don't use your brain and you don't ask questions? Ask yourself, why would your God endow you with intellect only to, then, require you to forego its use?
So far he seems to be doing a piss-poor job. Why would you assume any differently going forward?
Yes, why not?
And that's your problem. You assume that things like "right" and "wrong" come from some mystical, supernatural source. Therefore, an action can be right one time and wrong another, depending on the whims of this mystical, supernatural source.
You haven't settled anything.
No, of course not. There's no such thing as the “innocent” suffering. A one year old little girl dying of cancer (http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/baby-who-fought-cancer-with-mom-dies/) isn't “innocent” and didn't suffer. The millions of children in Africa, dying of starvation (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/two-million-east-african-infants-are-now-starving-2333270.html) aren't “innocent” and didn't suffer. I could go on quoting...
You offend me Coach. You offend me just by copy-pasting this fucking bullshit. And you should offend every rational human being for saying and believing this bullshit.
Ah yes... sin. The great weapon of Christianity. The weapon with which Christianity keeps its children in bondage. The noose on the neck of everyone - a noose that's there by birth - by the virtue of being born. I've quoted this part of Ayn Rand's writings before; time to quote it again:
Your ideology is vile and contemptible - see the above quoted text for the proof.
A very loving God, your God. He curses his creation for doing what he knew they would do...
Even if God didn't create the world this way, why doesn't he change it? NOW, not some future day. Oh, wait. I forgot. You're not supposed to ask questions of your Lord. Only to obey and worship.
Did he now? He suffered more than a girl who suffered horrific burns when she was only six months old? (http://metro.co.uk/2010/12/19/dorah-mokoena-girl-with-worst-burns-ever-known-issues-candle-warning-615448/) He suffered more than a victim of a horrible acid attack (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/21/world/asia/india-acid-attack)? More than Sgt. Travis Mills who lost all his limbs in an IED attack (http://travismills.org/)?
Again. You offend me. You revolt me. You are a disgrace and a pitiful excuse for a human.
Yes... he did all this for us - to save us. Sounds amazing, until you realize that he's, supposedly, saving us from himself.
Yes... your god is very good. He lets children suffer and starve, infants to get horribly burned and disfigured or die of cancer, women to be raped or disfigured, and men to be brutally maimed or killed.
Your God, if he exists, is full of something. Love isn't it.
Yeah... no biggie. What's a bout with cancer. Or the pain of a child dying. God is so loving and merciful! How can you believe this shit?
I'll close by repeating: Joe, you offend me. And those who believe this bullshit you pasted offend me too.
Damn lol that was brutal ;D
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exactly we all die anyway, so this whole life thing is either a test, hell itself, o we just have this one life and thats it.
the fear of eveyone,the fea to die is testimony to how "stong" eveyones belief actualy is(or not).
see, the suicide bombers muslims, their belief is stong, their education is shit, they dont mind dying.event aking innocents with them,which would ender them to be selected for hell anyway,theye so extemly daft.
now in the cultured world, where ppl ae educated, eligion is ather looked at as guideline how to live peacefuly
well observed
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This is one of the most difficult questions for Christians to answer.
The “problem of pain,” as the well-known Christian scholar, C.S. Lewis, once called it, is atheism’s most potent weapon against the Christian faith.
All true science and history, if rightly understood, support the fact of God. This evidence is so strong that, as the Bible says: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God” (Psalm 14:1).
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Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in “no God”, must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these.
That is, they say, how can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness, pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly by those who are apparently innocent? Either He is not a God of love and is indifferent to human suffering, or else He is not a God of power and is therefore helpless to do anything about it. In either case, the Biblical God who is supposedly one of both absolute power and perfect love becomes an impossible anachronism. Or so they claim!
This is a real difficulty, but atheism is certainly not the answer, and neither is agnosticism. While there is much evil in the world, there is even more that is good. This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can. Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad”.
We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).
We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.
Having settled this by faith, we are then free to seek for ways in which we can profit spiritually from the sufferings in life, as well as the blessings. As we consider such matters, it is helpful to keep the following great truths continually in our minds.
There is really no such thing as the “innocent” suffering.
Since “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God’s wrath on the basis of his own innocence.
As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Elderly woman in wheelchair. Photo copyrighted. The world is now under God’s Curse (Genesis 3:17) because of man’s rebellion against God’s Word.
This “bondage of corruption,” with the “whole world groaning and travailing together in pain” (Romans 8:21-22), is universal, affecting all men and women and children everywhere. God did not create the world this way, and one day will set all things right again. In that day, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” (Revelation 21:4).
Jesus on the cross. Click here to read about Jesus. (Illustration copyrighted)
Learn about how much Jesus Christ suffered
The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly “innocent” and “righteous” man in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever lived.
And this He did for us! “Christ died for our sins” (I Corinthians 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior. This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
With our full faith in God’s goodness and in Christ’s redemption, we can recognize that our present sufferings can be turned to His glory and our good.
The sufferings of unsaved men are often used by the Holy Spirit to cause them to realize their needs of salvation and to turn to Christ in repentance and faith. The sufferings of Christians should always be the means of developing a stronger dependence on God and a more Christ-like character, if they are properly “exercised thereby” (Hebrews 12:11).
Thus, God is loving and merciful, even when, “for the present,” He allows trials and sufferings to come in our lives.
“For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28).
Coach, can your God do anything no matter how impossible it seems to us?
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Coach, can your God do anything no matter how impossible it seems to us?
what like making dj181 muscular and handsome
that would surely be classed as a miracle
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Coach wont answer the question, they always get nervous trying to validate their Gods.
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these people all died horrific deaths doing some thing for god not while doing any work for evil does this make sense to any one? no 'they went straight to heaven' replies god has to have a better way of sending you up stairs
God and faith doesn't work in an exact input/output scheme - at least according to scripture.
Faith is bending over and taking Ford truck with pleasure... must be an olympia competitor's scheme.
This is the reason why so many folks flee into a more New Age'ian version of religion.
An advanced ape demands somewhat of a reward or he doesn't comply. Old religions require compliance with minimal to negative benefits.
Hence they relegated all wonders, spirit beings/apparitions/etc., to the devil's realm to force people to a non benefit deal with religion bonded by fear.
Christianity wasn't always the "set in stone/no go pubic area" trauma fest - there were times where it was edgy, scientific, daring and fun... this of course was dangerous for people in power.
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Arce, Jesus said in the end times, Christians would be persecuted everywhere. If you look you'll see it's even happening here in the states. It will get much worse.
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Bus drivers of peace ::)
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These people are resting in peace and no longer have to deal with the stresses and uncertainty of this fallen world.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. Humans cannot fathom this. We don't have the intelligence because it was not given to us, hence the word "Faith"
Trying to understand how and why God works the way he does is pointless.
If you're day is filled with worry and you do not believe in God, you definitely have GOOD reason to worry. We humans control nothing.
If, on the other hand, your day is filled with peace, this is more often than not for the shear fact that you have laid all of your pointless worries in His hands.
Worry = waste. It changes nothing. It never has, it never will.
God does what he does. It's not up to us to question Him. We couldn't handle the answers anyway.
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These people are resting in peace and no longer have to deal with the stresses and uncertainty of this fallen world.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. Humans cannot fathom this. We don't have the intelligence because it was not given to us, hence the word "Faith"
Trying to understand how and why God works the way he does is pointless.
If you're day is filled with worry and you do not believe in God, you definitely have GOOD reason to worry. We humans control nothing.
If, on the other hand, your day is filled with peace, this is more often than not for the shear fact that you have laid all of your pointless worries in His hands.
Worry = waste. It changes nothing. It never has, it never will.
God does what he does. It's not up to us to question Him. We couldn't handle the answers anyway.
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God does what he does. It's not up to us to question Him. We couldn't handle the answers anyway.
Seems, then, He isn't quite as loving and merciful as He claims to be.
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Our lives are no more meaningful than any other species. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Our lives are no more meaningful than any other species. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Makes more sense.
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no one says Christians were immortal.
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Arce, Jesus said in the end times, Christians would be persecuted everywhere. If you look you'll see it's even happening here in the states. It will get much worse.
Wiggs, Jesus also said that the mustard plant is a tree and has the smallest seed... he was wrong, on both counts. Why would you think his silly end-times predictions (which, we've been told are just about to be fulfilled anytime now since shortly after his crucifixion more than 2,000 years ago) are any different?
These people are resting in peace and no longer have to deal with the stresses and uncertainty of this fallen world.
How comforting... tell me, if you really believe the tripe you peddle, why haven't you tried to off yourself, so as to go rest in peace and no longer deal with the stresses and uncertainty of this fallen world?
God is omnipotent and omniscient. Humans cannot fathom this. We don't have the intelligence because it was not given to us, hence the word "Faith"
If he's omniscient, he created people who he knew, in advance, would never be saved and therefore, would suffer the punishment he has decreed. How very loving and merciful of him.
If he's omnipotent, he allows horrible things to happen, like little girls getting immolated by fire and infants starving to death, and to what end? How very loving and merciful of him.
Your omnipotent, omniscient God, if he exists, is an immoral thug.
It must be a sad existence you live - looking around at a world that you believe in beyond your comprehension. I'd ask you why your God created you without the ability to comprehend him but demands that you do, through some mystical, unknowable way, but I've had my fill of tripe for this week and it's only Monday.
Trying to understand how and why God works the way he does is pointless.
So you believe in something that you cannot define, comprehend or understand? What good is your belief then? You may as well assert that you believe in UGRANAGANOTH, whatever that is.
If you're day is filled with worry and you do not believe in God, you definitely have GOOD reason to worry. We humans control nothing.
My days are filled with peace and I'm quite content. And look! No belief in God required. As for what I control - I control my life to the extent I can, and that's just fine. I don't want or need more control than that.
If, on the other hand, your day is filled with peace, this is more often than not for the shear fact that you have laid all of your pointless worries in His hands.
Do you lay your bills at His hands, and if you do, how's your credit? Shearing forces aside, the sheer fact is that you spout this nonsense but you're a hypocrite.
God does what he does. It's not up to us to question Him. We couldn't handle the answers anyway.
Of course. Don't ask questions. Just obey and worship... what could possibly go wrong?
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God is only a figment of your Imagination...
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God isn't always perfect
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Your god is dead
and no one cares
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Why would a God allow all of this evil to exist?
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Why would a God allow all of this evil to exist?
Brother Arce,
If there was just good, how could we be tested to see if we are deserving to dwell in the house of the Lord?
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Brother Arce,
If there was just good, how could we be tested to see if we are deserving to dwell in the house of the Lord?
Why would an omniscient being - a being that knows all - need to administer a test? What could it learn that it didn't already know? Or is your God not an omniscient being?
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God would not need to test if he knows all. Right?
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God would not need to test if he knows all. Right?
This is to you and Avxo.
God gave us free will. Meaning we choose what we want to do. Him knowing what we will do because he knows all doesn't mean it's not free will. It just means he knows what we will do. It is a test for us. Not for him.
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This is to you and Avxo.
God gave us free will. Meaning we choose what we want to do. Him knowing what we will do because he knows all doesn't mean it's not free will. It just means he knows what we will do. It is a test for us. Not for him.
Why do we need to be tested? What do we gain from the test, if anything? If we pass, we go to heaven. If not, well... we don't. Why not skip the test entirely and get to the "graduation" already, since our grades have already been assigned and our degrees printed.
Also, please don't hide behind your finger with "god knows but you don't, so it's free will." A free will is incompatible with a predetermined outcome.
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training your moms asshole
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Why do we need to be tested? What do we gain from the test, if anything? If we pass, we go to heaven. If not, well... we don't. Why not skip the test entirely and get to the "graduation" already, since our grades have already been assigned and our degrees printed.
Also, please don't hide behind your finger with "god knows but you don't, so it's free will." A free will is incompatible with a predetermined outcome.
1. Don't tell me how to answer questions when you ask me for an answer.
2. We are being "tested" because of the original sin. (Adam and Eve). And the wages of sin is death. Jesus was put here to pay for the sins of humans. He is the only human (if you can call him fully human) to never have sinned. He is the son of God. God sacrificed his only son so that way not burn in hell for all the sins human commit. BUT, you must believe that he is the son of God and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
3. I knew you'd say what you'd say in your last sentence which is why I explained it before. It is still free will. Since God is all knowing, it means exactly that, he's all knowing. He created everything. Obviously he's going to know the answer to everything, even before it happens. He is the Alpha and the Omega. That doesn't take away that you still have free will that he happens to know the answer to.
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1. Don't tell me how to answer questions when you ask me for an answer.
2. We are being "tested" because of the original sin. (Adam and Eve). And the wages of sin is death. Jesus was put here to pay for the sins of humans. He is the only human (if you can call him fully human) to never have sinned. He is the son of God. God sacrificed his only son so that way not burn in hell for all the sins human commit. BUT, you must believe that he is the son of God and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
3. I knew you'd say what you'd say in your last sentence which is why I explained it before. It is still free will. Since God is all knowing, it means exactly that, he's all knowing. He created everything. Obviously he's going to know the answer to everything, even before it happens. He is the Alpha and the Omega. That doesn't take away that you still have free will that he happens to know the answer to.
wiggs did the mayan thing not make you think that your beliefs brought on by smoking copius amounts of weed might be laced in the paranoia induced by the drug
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wiggs did the mayan thing not make you think that your beliefs brought on by smoking copius amounts of weed might be laced in the paranoia induced by the drug
Go back to 2012 and read what I said. You guys have made up quiet the story. I stated, I thought SOMETHING would happen. I never said what. I never said it was the end of the world. Then after nothing seemingly happened, I ate my crow and went on my business.
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Go back to 2012 and read what I said. You guys have made up quiet the story. I stated, I thought SOMETHING would happen. I never said what. I never said it was the end of the world. Then after nothing seemingly happened, I ate my crow and went on my business.
ah the sliding scale of perception
no you said the world would end
you are now trying to justify it in your head rather than question your own belief system
you are a good guy stop the pot for a while and see where your head is then
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I mentioned this last week. But people get this idea that if there was a God, he wouldn't let all the evil in the world go on that happens. There is nothing in the Bible or the Quran that states that. And because God fails to meet the requirements that people have of him, they choose not to believe in him.
I can excuse people that were not brought up religious and don't know the answers so they come to their conclusions. It's their ignorance that makes them draw the conclusions they do. When you study and ask they questions many of you ask, it will begin to make sense and make sense even more the more you study.
This life was never supposed to "Heaven"....It should be obvious by now. But it is a test and as I stated many times, many will fail out of ignorance, pride, greed, sloth and evil.
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If God can do anything , how come he cant make a mountain he cant move?
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religion was invented by men who couldnt come to terms with their own mortality
its that simple
there is no anti christ ffs
men are bad enough without that shit
we are born we live we die the end
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If God can do anything , how come he cant make a mountain he cant move?
lol. What?
What does the color blue smell like?
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What does the color blue smell like?
Wouldn't god know?
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lol. What?
What does the color blue smell like?
Its simple.
Just answer it two parts
Can your God do anything?
If yes .
Can he create a mountain he cant move?
If yes, then thats something he cant do, (move the mountain)
If no, then he cant create a mountain big enough.
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Wouldn't god know?
It's called an illogical question. For example, would God be able to make a square circle?
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religion was invented by men who couldnt come to terms with their own mortality
its that simple
there is no anti christ ffs
men are bad enough without that shit
we are born we live we die the end
I'm sorry you feel this way. That's too bad. Hopefully you'll realize you are wrong before it's too late.
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It's called an illogical question. For example, would God be able to make a square circle?
If he is "omnipotent", wouldn't he be able to?
Homer Simpson had a similar question "Would Jesus be able to microwave a burrito so hot, he himself could not eat it?"
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If he is "omnipotent", wouldn't he be able to?
Homer Simpson had a similar question "Would Jesus be able to microwave a burrito so hot, he himself could not eat it?"
Another illogical question that the dipshit (Yes, dipshit) Richard Dawkins loves to use.
"Who created God?"
God is all powerful, all knowing, timeless and changeless. This means, he wasn't created he's always been and always will be. He exists outside of what you know as time.
You people try to do is ask illogical questions to make it seem as if there is no God that exists and they try limiting his power and when man doesn't have an answer to what is an illogical question, atheist feel they won the argument. It's sophomoric and jejune.
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You people try to do is ask illogical questions to make it seem as if there is no God that exists and they try limiting his power and when man doesn't have an answer to what is an illogical question, atheist feel they won the argument. It's sophomoric and jejune.
didn't God create the illogical questions?
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"Who created God?"
Insecure hedonistic men.
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I hope this helps .
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I hope this helps .
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Che, I'll see you heaven bro.
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train full of christians in spain destroyed
bus full of christians in indiana destroyed
bus full of christians in italy destroyed
in less than five days
God is clearly trying to lend a hand to help the struggling flower shop business.
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Wiggs if god created you & Anabolichalo ::)
Then sucks ;D
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When your a little child they tell you to behave or Santa wont come and bring you presents.
When you get older, then turn it up a gear and say if you not are compliant and behave, then you will burn in a place called hell.
FFS
It amazes me that christ has appeared here, there and everywhere for thousands of years - and since the advent of camera phones he's not been spotted once.
Unless you count his image on a burnt slice of toast or the shape of god in the ass hair of a jack russell dog.
I hope there is a divine spirit greater than all, but i'm not very optimistic !
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Gawd owning many minds.
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When your a little child they tell you to behave or Santa wont come and bring you presents.
When you get older, then turn it up a gear and say if you not are compliant and behave, then you will burn in a place called hell.
FFS
It amazes me that christ has appeared here, there and everywhere for thousands of years - and since the advent of camera phones he's not been spotted once.
Unless you count his image on a burnt slice of toast or the shape of god in the ass hair of a jack russell dog.
I hope there is a divine spirit greater than all, but i'm not very optimistic !
The last time he was on this Earth was when he rose from his grave and was see by his disciples. That's it. Not in Tortillas or toast or any other nonsense.
Nice try though.
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The last time he was on this Earth was when he rose from his grave and was see by his disciples. That's it. Not in Tortillas or toast or any other nonsense.
Nice try though.
Let me enlighten you to Benji's ass :-
(http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Jesus-Dog.jpg)
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I have 3 long & rusty Roman blacksmith made nails for sale ;)
Wiggs a you interested :D
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I have 3 long & rusty Roman blacksmith made nails for sale ;)
Wiggs a you interested :D
The price for our sins has already paid. You should hop on board. I heard hell is not the place you wanna be.
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Che, I'll see you heaven bro.
Yes brother Wiggs
I believe in God, just in case there really is heaven .
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The price for our sins has already paid. You should hop on board. I heard hell is not the place you wanna be.
YES & YES Wigzzy, HELL is right place for me Princes Di is there ;D
O, by the way: when is Jesus birthday ?????
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Let me enlighten you to Benji's ass :-
(http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Jesus-Dog.jpg)
A revelation! It's a sign!
He has revealed himself unto the pure anus of a most humble canine. ;D
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A revelation! It's a sign!
He has revealed himself unto the pure anus of a most humble canine. ;D
So J.C. was Los Blancos ,Real Madrid supporter :D
Barcelona supporters would not like this ;D
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YES & YES Wigzzy, HELL is right place for me Princes Di is there ;D
O, by the way: when is Jesus birthday ?????
It's not Dec. 25th. I can tell you that. But that's the day Christians observe it.
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they chose the wrong path :'(
Allahu Akbar
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It's not Dec. 25th. I can tell you that. But that's the day Christians observe it.
Hmm, can U post image of his birth certificate :D :D :D
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Hmm, can U post image of his birth certificate :D :D :D
No, can you?
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This is one of the most difficult questions for Christians to answer.
The “problem of pain,” as the well-known Christian scholar, C.S. Lewis, once called it, is atheism’s most potent weapon against the Christian faith.
All true science and history, if rightly understood, support the fact of God. This evidence is so strong that, as the Bible says: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God” (Psalm 14:1).
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Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in “no God”, must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these.
That is, they say, how can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness, pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly by those who are apparently innocent? Either He is not a God of love and is indifferent to human suffering, or else He is not a God of power and is therefore helpless to do anything about it. In either case, the Biblical God who is supposedly one of both absolute power and perfect love becomes an impossible anachronism. Or so they claim!
This is a real difficulty, but atheism is certainly not the answer, and neither is agnosticism. While there is much evil in the world, there is even more that is good. This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can. Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad”.
We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).
“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).
We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.
Having settled this by faith, we are then free to seek for ways in which we can profit spiritually from the sufferings in life, as well as the blessings. As we consider such matters, it is helpful to keep the following great truths continually in our minds.
There is really no such thing as the “innocent” suffering.
Since “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God’s wrath on the basis of his own innocence.
As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Elderly woman in wheelchair. Photo copyrighted. The world is now under God’s Curse (Genesis 3:17) because of man’s rebellion against God’s Word.
This “bondage of corruption,” with the “whole world groaning and travailing together in pain” (Romans 8:21-22), is universal, affecting all men and women and children everywhere. God did not create the world this way, and one day will set all things right again. In that day, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” (Revelation 21:4).
Jesus on the cross. Click here to read about Jesus. (Illustration copyrighted)
Learn about how much Jesus Christ suffered
The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly “innocent” and “righteous” man in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever lived.
And this He did for us! “Christ died for our sins” (I Corinthians 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior. This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
With our full faith in God’s goodness and in Christ’s redemption, we can recognize that our present sufferings can be turned to His glory and our good.
The sufferings of unsaved men are often used by the Holy Spirit to cause them to realize their needs of salvation and to turn to Christ in repentance and faith. The sufferings of Christians should always be the means of developing a stronger dependence on God and a more Christ-like character, if they are properly “exercised thereby” (Hebrews 12:11).
Thus, God is loving and merciful, even when, “for the present,” He allows trials and sufferings to come in our lives.
“For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28).
it's time to come over to the dark side coach. let's all be friends and hail satan
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No, can you?
3 nails & JC birth certificate on special today, interested ;)
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train full of christians in spain destroyed
bus full of christians in indiana destroyed
bus full of christians in italy destroyed
in less than five days
I see all the normal players have added their two cents; unfortunately I never saw the question. I do see that a number of folks have died.
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Ridicule this: God does not wish anyone to go to hell.
He loves the humans he created. He loves them (us, you) all more than any human can possibly understand.
For those of you that are ridiculing Him and slandering his name, he still loves you.
One day, when you are not so *self-reliant" you will turn to Him.
One day, every human being, dead or alive will look to Him.
Too many people are asking the wrong questions. I am not here to argue.
I will say this again: He loves you in spite of yourselves (ourselves) ~ period.
Whether you choose to believe in Him or not, that is about free will. There could be no other way.
God sent one man, His only Son to take on the sin of the world. God had to leave His Son for this period of time because God cannot abide sin.
What made God do this? How many mortal men here could do the same if given the choice?
He did it because He loves you. Unconditionally.
I would hope that many here who are ridiculing and slandering Him might think twice and maybe try to understand rather than choose to damn themselves for eternity.
"Hope" and "Faith"
I'm out of this conversation because I won't be able to read much more ugliness. Good on you who are on the right side. God bless.
I am a sinner and a hypocrite. Of course I am. I am human. No different than anyone here.
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God does not wish anyone to go to hell.
He loves the humans he created.
He loves you in spite of yourselves (ourselves) ~ period.
God sent one man,
He did it because He loves you.
How do you know this ? did you read it in the interwebz ???
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Ridicule this: God does not wish anyone to go to hell.
He loves the humans he created. He loves them (us, you) all more than any human can possibly understand.
For those of you that are ridiculing Him and slandering his name, he still loves you.
One day, when you are not so *self-reliant" you will turn to Him.
One day, every human being, dead or alive will look to Him.
Too many people are asking the wrong questions. I am not here to argue.
I will say this again: He loves you in spite of yourselves (ourselves) ~ period.
Whether you choose to believe in Him or not, that is about free will. There could be no other way.
God sent one man, His only Son to take on the sin of the world. God had to leave His Son for this period of time because God cannot abide sin.
What made God do this? How many mortal men here could do the same if given the choice?
He did it because He loves you. Unconditionally.
I would hope that many here who are ridiculing and slandering Him might think twice and maybe try to understand rather than choose to damn themselves for eternity.
"Hope" and "Faith"
I'm out of this conversation because I won't be able to read much more ugliness. Good on you who are on the right side. God bless.
I am a sinner and a hypocrite. Of course I am. I am human. No different than anyone here.
Well said
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1. Don't tell me how to answer questions when you ask me for an answer.
I'll tell you when your answer is logically inconsistent, as it was in this case.
2. We are being "tested" because of the original sin. (Adam and Eve). And the wages of sin is death. Jesus was put here to pay for the sins of humans. He is the only human (if you can call him fully human) to never have sinned. He is the son of God. God sacrificed his only son so that way not burn in hell for all the sins human commit. BUT, you must believe that he is the son of God and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
Why do we need to be tested at all? It's not for God's benefit - since he knows what the end result of the "test" will be. And it's not for our benefit, since regardless of what the "test" will be, our fate is sealed.
As for Original Sin, leave it up to the God of love and mercy to punish and hold generation after generation of people accountable for something two people did thousands of years ago. That's very loving and very merciful.
I won't even get into the fact that the concept of Original sin is a sham. A sin cannot happen without volition, and birth isn't something we choose. It's something that happens - no different than the sun rising.
3. I knew you'd say what you'd say in your last sentence which is why I explained it before. It is still free will. Since God is all knowing, it means exactly that, he's all knowing. He created everything. Obviously he's going to know the answer to everything, even before it happens. He is the Alpha and the Omega. That doesn't take away that you still have free will that he happens to know the answer to.
You can call it free will if you want, but that doesn't make it free will. If it's free will, you must be the one who decides and the outcome of your actions cannot be already fixed. A bit of friendly advice: Don't even bother trying to make this argument. People a lot smarter than you have tried, and failed. It's not even an argument, really.
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It's called an illogical question. For example, would God be able to make a square circle?
So your God is bound by logic?
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Ridicule this: God does not wish anyone to go to hell.
If that was truly the case, he'd just say: "Nobody goes to hell!"
He loves the humans he created. He loves them (us, you) all more than any human can possibly understand.
And yet, he has created some of us knowing we won't go to heaven, but will go to hell to suffer for all eternity.
For those of you that are ridiculing Him and slandering his name, he still loves you.
If he loves me, why won't he reveal himself to me in unequivocal terms, so that I may believe and be saved? He knows what it would take, and yet, he doesn't do it. He knows that I'm doomed to never believe and go to hell. And yet, despite all his love, he's not doing anything to save me. Why?
One day, when you are not so *self-reliant" you will turn to Him.
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Whether you choose to believe in Him or not, that is about free will. There could be no other way.
Sure there could. He could make it so that we don't need to have faith in an undefined, unknowable being. He could make it so that logic could lead us to him, so that we could use the reason and intellect with which he endowed us. But he doesn't. Why?
God sent one man, His only Son to take on the sin of the world. God had to leave His Son for this period of time because God cannot abide sin.
He's omnipotent. He could wipe sin away from the face of creation with a snap of his proverbial fingers. And don't forget, he sent his only son (i.e. himself) to take on the sin of the world (i.e. die) to satisfy a rule that he made. He sacrificed himself to himself for a rule he made. And that's the nonsense you believe?
But I do have a question... why can't God - an omnipotent being - abide by sin?
He did it because He loves you. Unconditionally.
If he loved me unconditionally, he wouldn't make me jump through hoops. He'd say "Oh, avxo. You've been a bad, bad child. And you don't deserve heaven, but my love is so great that I will give you heaven anyways." Except he doesn't. He says: "BELIEVE! OR ELSE!"
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Well said
Good contribution there Coach! ::)
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I'm figuring there are admin positions open in Hell. I always tend to get "inside" professionally. Should be no problem.
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:D ;D
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I'll tell you when your answer is logically inconsistent, as it was in this case.
Why do we need to be tested at all? It's not for God's benefit - since he knows what the end result of the "test" will be. And it's not for our benefit, since regardless of what the "test" will be, our fate is sealed.
As for Original Sin, leave it up to the God of love and mercy to punish and hold generation after generation of people accountable for something two people did thousands of years ago. That's very loving and very merciful.
I won't even get into the fact that the concept of Original sin is a sham. A sin cannot happen without volition, and birth isn't something we choose. It's something that happens - no different than the sun rising.
You can call it free will if you want, but that doesn't make it free will. If it's free will, you must be the one who decides and the outcome of your actions cannot be already fixed. A bit of friendly advice: Don't even bother trying to make this argument. People a lot smarter than you have tried, and failed. It's not even an argument, really.
Oh brother, another petulant heathen pagan ready to battle lol ::)
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Oh brother, another petulant heathen pagan ready to battle lol ::)
Battle? Hardly troll.
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I wonder if god is prone to estrogenic sides ???
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lol @ the opportunistic vulture
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The dude who took this pic, and won a Pulitzer prize for it, killed himself three months later.
One year and three months, pic was taken March of 1993, Carter committed suicide on July 1994.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. That's too bad. Hopefully you'll realize you are wrong before it's too late.
too late for what
if god is all forgiving then my beliefs dont matter
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Damn, so many Religious Nutz and fanatics in this Thread.. :o :o
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I still haven't seen arce's question.
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i believe in God, catholic and proud.