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Title: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Darren Avey on August 04, 2013, 11:06:25 AM


I dont get how people pull Foreman Frazier out of there asses. Tyson was bigger, stronger a hell of a lot faster than Frazier. Slow Foreman wouldnt land and Tyson would swarm him. Tyson KO 5
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: local hero on August 04, 2013, 11:43:40 AM


I dont get how people pull Foreman Frazier out of there asses. Tyson was bigger, stronger a hell of a lot faster than Frazier. Slow Foreman wouldnt land and Tyson would swarm him. Tyson KO 5 1


fixed... he'd kill him, too fast, too powerfull
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: ukjeff on August 04, 2013, 11:45:37 AM
These "who would have won" skits are a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Darren Avey on August 04, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
I like debating these things, i wonder who would have won Dorian V Ronnie.....
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: SquatsRule on August 04, 2013, 02:30:26 PM
Foreman in his prime would've given Tyson trouble. He hit like a truck, had more reach, and a pretty good chin.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: T-REX007 on August 04, 2013, 03:16:15 PM
Foreman would have wrecked Tyson. Tyson would not have scared Big George, George's jab is underrated , his punches were every bit as hard as Iron Mike's. Mike would have come at George and gotten his head knocked off. I know he had good defense, bob and weave peekaboo ... but George would have put Mike down.

I think Smokin Joe would have gotten Tyson also. Put Tyson in the 70's with Ali, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Norton, Frazier, prime Holmes and Mike takes a beating .
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BB on August 04, 2013, 03:48:01 PM
Foreman was no pussy, watch his fight against someone like Ron Lyle. George was a big, tall fighter who was aggressive and had awesome power. He wasn't afraid to bring the fight to a boxer like Tyson. Tyson might out point him, but Foreman was his match or better physically.

Frazier vs Tyson is interesting, physically they are a much closer match. This one hinges on Tyson being able to take Frazier out in the first half of the fight. After that Joe has an edge in stamina and plain old heart. Joe took some ass whippings and still showed up in the later rounds.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2013, 03:53:00 PM
These "who would have won" skits are a load of bollocks.

I agree.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: K-1 on August 04, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
Mike already destroyed Frazier lol  ;) ;

Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: beakdoctor on August 04, 2013, 06:18:18 PM
That's marvis not Joe.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: beakdoctor on August 04, 2013, 06:20:31 PM
Oh and Foreman would decapitate Tyson.

Tyson would beat Frazier though.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: RUDE BUOY on August 04, 2013, 06:23:25 PM
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Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Kwon_2 on August 04, 2013, 06:29:56 PM
Mike already destroyed Frazier lol  ;) ;



He sure put a beatin' on Frazier there! :D
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on August 04, 2013, 06:53:25 PM
Larry Holmes said it best ,

in sum and  summation

" he hit me,  i fell down , i got back up , he hit me  , i fell down again, i didnt want him to hit me again .... had enough of that .. "  
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: oldschoolfan on August 04, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
foreman actually has the highest ko percentage of any hw champion in history,

also when he made his comeback in the 90''s  he was never knocked down once.   foreman in his prime was a killer.


guy is doing much better financially than tyson as well,  in fact foreman has more money then any boxer in the world, he made a shitload of money from that grill
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: che on August 04, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
foreman actually has the highest ko percentage of any hw champion in history,



Rocky Marciano and Vitali Klitschko  disagree.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on August 04, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Larry Holmes most underrated heavy weight champion of all time ..


Not to mention he can deliver a drop kick,  of a limo, like no one else  !!!!


his singing group Marmalade however where terrible ..
"people like to talk about Larry Holmes "   
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BB on August 04, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Larry Holmes most underrated heavy weight champion of all time ..


Not to mention he can deliver a drop kick,  of a limo, like no one else  !!!!


his singing group Marmalade however where terrible ..
"people like to talk about Larry Holmes "   


Ha, you don't hear about that brawl as much anymore -

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Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Quickerblade on August 05, 2013, 01:10:00 AM
tyson was overrated.

he beat many people that nobody knew.

but damn they made him look great.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: AbrahamG on August 05, 2013, 01:23:16 AM
Foreman would have wrecked Tyson. Tyson would not have scared Big George, George's jab is underrated , his punches were every bit as hard as Iron Mike's. Mike would have come at George and gotten his head knocked off. I know he had good defense, bob and weave peekaboo ... but George would have put Mike down.

I think Smokin Joe would have gotten Tyson also. Put Tyson in the 70's with Ali, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Norton, Frazier, prime Holmes and Mike takes a beating .

You are correct.  Mike could have fought George during George's second career.  Mike and his people wanted no part of Big George.  The George of the 70's?  Forget about it.  If Ali hadn't beaten George, I'm not sure if and when somebody would have.  Maybe Larry Holmes in the late 70's?  Even that is debatable and Larry Holmes is my favorite heavyweight of all time.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BigCyp on August 05, 2013, 01:44:04 AM
Iron Mike was untouchable in HIS era, that's all we know for sure.

Obviously it could go either way if he fought any of the 70's HW legends, but I personally think he would have the most trouble with George. He would be just as frustrated after a few rounds as he was with Holyfield's size/headbutts, but this time it would be frustration at why George is taking Mikes best upper cuts and still moving forward.

Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Kilo Medic on August 05, 2013, 02:15:35 AM
"Fighting Tyson Would be Like Bird hunting for me; a bird’s nest on the ground,” George Foreman

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2012/foreman-vs-tyson-the-heavyweight-explosion-of-heavyweight-explosions/
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 05, 2013, 02:20:33 AM
I'm pretty much a fan of Tyson as he was really a one-of-a kind HW, being short, fast, great defense and would kill you once in the box. But frankly, he was at his best when Kevin Rooney was around and he didn't box so many greats at the time: Holmes was way over-the-hill (I expected him to get KOd in the 1st round), Tony Tucker gave him a hard time (with a broken hand) and finally things collapsed. I'd think a prime Holmes (way lighter and faster) would have already given Tyson some trouble.
Those '70s HW will forever be remembered because the field was much greater: Ellis, Quarry, Bonavena, Ron Lyle,  Ken Norton then guys like Ernie Shavers, Cooney, etc....
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Omega on August 05, 2013, 02:21:02 AM
Tyson was afraid of Foreman. He didnt deny it either.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Darren Avey on August 05, 2013, 04:21:57 AM
What?Please post a vid of Tyson saying he was afraid of Foreman.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on August 05, 2013, 04:34:22 AM
Ha, you don't hear about that brawl as much anymore -

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Epic !!!
classic Holmes !!!

any chance for a Marmalade video ???
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Kilo Medic on August 05, 2013, 04:52:51 AM


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

...Bobby Goodman. At the time, Goodman was, and still is, Don King's matchmaker. I've known Benton for many years, through him I met Duva, and was introduced to Goodman a couple weeks before Tyson fought Larry Holmes at the Convention Center in Atlantic City in January 1988.

While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, "Georgie, You'll never believe this but, Fuckin' Tyson is scared shit less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that Fuckin' animal, if you love the guy so much, you fight him!'"
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 05, 2013, 05:58:02 AM
I forgot about the time he fought Buster Mathis, who was one of the most slippery mofos ever to step in the ring.  I think Mathis took him four rounds, at a time when Tyson's average fight had probably been about 90 seconds.

You're talking about Mathis Jr. His father was no slouch either; lost only to Frazier, Ali, Quarry and Lyle. Lyle was a hard-hitting MF, just like Ernie Shavers. Lyle/Foreman was crazy.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: gee38 on August 05, 2013, 06:58:07 AM
my money would be on foreman

tyson fought on intimidation and struggled against fighters who weren't afraid.


earnie shavers used to work on the door at yates's in Liverpool up until a couple of years ago- no idea if he still does
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BigCyp on August 05, 2013, 07:07:39 AM
my money would be on foreman

tyson fought on intimidation and struggled against fighters who weren't afraid.


earnie shavers used to work on the door at yates's in Liverpool up until a couple of years ago- no idea if he still does

Exactly,

This is why I would always have my money on a 60's Ali against Mike, boxing skills/chin strength aside - Ali would destroy Mike's mind in the lead up to the fight so bad that Tyson would literally be looking for single bombs every round until he tires out.

Mike's biggest weakness was his mental game, which is why he slowly declined from 88 onwards.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 05, 2013, 07:27:03 AM
Exactly,

This is why I would always have my money on a 60's Ali against Mike, boxing skills/chin strength aside - Ali would destroy Mike's mind in the lead up to the fight so bad that Tyson would literally be looking for single bombs every round until he tires out.

Mike's biggest weakness was his mental game, which is why he slowly declined from 88 onwards.

Tyson needed to be fostered. First by Cus then by Rooney. Once he had a crowd of ass-lickers and gold digger w.....riding on his coattails, he went down in flames and made one bad decision after another.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BigCyp on August 05, 2013, 07:32:40 AM
Tyson needed to be fostered. First by Cus then by Rooney. Once he had a crowd of ass-lickers and gold digger w.....riding on his coattails, he went down in flames and made one bad decision after another.

Big shame!!!

Mike didn't just have power, if he would have stayed under good mentorship for another 10 years he would be remembered for being an outstanding BOXER all round. He had amazing head movement, always put the angle of his body behind his hooks, good footwork, kept his hands up when needed etc etc, a GREAT all round boxer until the devil layed hands on a fine young man.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: galain on August 05, 2013, 07:52:20 AM
Buster Douglas wasn't scared of Tyson when he went into ring with him, maybe because his mom had died shortly before the fight and he was preoccupied with grief. So he was able to carefully measure his advantageous, extra-long jabs to quickly take Tyson off his game.

Foreman could have theoretically done that, too, times ten. I think Foreman has something like an 81" span, and hell yes he could punch like a motherfcker. His jabs were like punches from most heavies. He punched at least as hard as Tyson, and given his larger size, maybe harder. Even at Tyson's best, he would have taken a huge risk trying to use his strategy of immediately running inside. I wonder how he would have been trained for that fight.

When Foreman made his comeback, Tyson's people wouldn't give him a fight.

All true but IIRC Buster Douglas benefitted from a slow count when he was knocked down.

I'm in the Foreman camp. If Tyson doesn't knock him out early he'd get scared and lose.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BB on August 05, 2013, 10:44:05 AM


Epic !!!
classic Holmes !!!

any chance for a Marmalade video ???

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And just because everyone needs a little devastating chicken -


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Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: funk51 on August 05, 2013, 10:48:22 AM


I dont get how people pull Foreman Frazier out of there asses. Tyson was bigger, stronger a hell of a lot faster than Frazier. Slow Foreman wouldnt land and Tyson would swarm him. Tyson KO 5
what about foreman vs larry holmes which never happened but should have. tyson actually fought an old holmes. just like holmes battered an old muhammed ali.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on August 05, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
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And just because everyone needs a little devastating chicken -


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Great Find  ... Thanks for doing it !!

Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: Submissionfytr on August 05, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
Tyson's foot speed and head movement baffle big George, he breaks all of his ribs, in route to a KO stoppage by hook or uppercut.
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on August 05, 2013, 03:10:05 PM
what about foreman vs larry holmes which never happened but should have. tyson actually fought an old holmes. just like holmes battered an old muhammed ali.


Ya .... What ever happened with that ...  they spoke on it as if it was in the works ..
Title: Re: Tyson V Foreman
Post by: BB on August 05, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
Look at how much abuse Foreman took from Lyle, Lyle was at least as strong a puncher as Tyson, and a very aggressive fighter -

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Also look at how Foreman handled Frazier -

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Physically Frazier is closer to Tyson. They were also good fighters on the swarm, Frazier was busier on the inside, Tyson more powerful and intimidating. Look at how Foreman's height, reach, and power neutralizes it pretty decently.

Heck old George could've put on a decent show too, against a Don King era Tyson. He had a good showing against a prime Holyfield, and Holyfield gave Tyson problems.