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Enemy soldiers have taken over your village. They have orders to kill all remaining civilians. You and some of your townspeople have sought refuge in the cellar of a large house. Outside you hear the voices of soldiers who have come to search the house for valuables.
Your baby begins to cry loudly. You cover his mouth to block the sound. If you remove your hand from his mouth, his crying will summon the attention of the soldiers who will kill you, your child, and the others hiding out in the cellar. To save yourself and the others you must smother your child to death.
Would you smother your child in order to save yourself and the other townspeople?
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You are the leader of a small group of soldiers. You are on your way back from a completed mission deep in enemy territory when one of your men has stepped in a trap set by the enemy and is badly injured. The trap is connected to a radio device that by now has alerted the enemy to your presence. They will soon be on their way.
If the enemy finds your injured man, they will torture him and kill him. He begs you not to leave him behind, but if you try to take him with you your entire group will be captured. The only way to prevent this injured soldier from being tortured is to shoot him yourself.
Would you shoot this soldier in order to prevent him from being tortured by the enemy?
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I have no issue sacrificing woman and children for my own survival.
Pull his pants down so when they find him his winky is out lol
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Enemy soldiers have taken over your village. They have orders to kill all remaining civilians. You and some of your townspeople have sought refuge in the cellar of a large house. Outside you hear the voices of soldiers who have come to search the house for valuables.
Your baby begins to cry loudly. You cover his mouth to block the sound. If you remove your hand from his mouth, his crying will summon the attention of the soldiers who will kill you, your child, and the others hiding out in the cellar. To save yourself and the others you must smother your child to death.
Would you smother your child in order to save yourself and the other townspeople?
what someone would do can only be done when under such distress thats when a decision will be made by the person in that position.ive seen tough marines fold under pressure because of stress so who knows what choice can be made.
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1, i wouldn't trap myself in a cellar to begin with.
2, yes
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You are the leader of a small group of soldiers. You are on your way back from a completed mission deep in enemy territory when one of your men has stepped in a trap set by the enemy and is badly injured. The trap is connected to a radio device that by now has alerted the enemy to your presence. They will soon be on their way.
If the enemy finds your injured man, they will torture him and kill him. He begs you not to leave him behind, but if you try to take him with you your entire group will be captured. The only way to prevent this injured soldier from being tortured is to shoot him yourself.
Would you shoot this soldier in order to prevent him from being tortured by the enemy?
marines leave no one behind we take him with us
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The first situation happened in the sewers of the Warsaw ghetto. In that situation, I probably would, or get someone else to do it. I wouldn't want the group bein killed because the baby screamed. If it was just me and my kid, I'd choose both of us dying.
The second. Yes.
Both would come with serious mental consequences should you survive.
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The first situation happened in the sewers of the Warsaw ghetto. In that situation, I probably would, or get someone else to do it. I wouldn't want the group bein killed because the baby screamed. If it was just me and my kid, I'd choose both of us dying.
The second. Yes.
Both would come with serious mental consequences should you survive.
You would kill your own child , oh brother.
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You are the leader of a small group of soldiers. You are on your way back from a completed mission deep in enemy territory when one of your men has stepped in a trap set by the enemy and is badly injured. The trap is connected to a radio device that by now has alerted the enemy to your presence. They will soon be on their way.
If the enemy finds your injured man, they will torture him and kill him. He begs you not to leave him behind, but if you try to take him with you your entire group will be captured. The only way to prevent this injured soldier from being tortured is to shoot him yourself.
Would you shoot this soldier in order to prevent him from being tortured by the enemy?
You have never sniffed combat military, this question offends anyone who every served in a forward position........no one left behind, that's not debatable, reasoned out, or interpreted.
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No dilemma for me, I'm childfree :D
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You have never sniffed combat military, this question offends anyone who every served in a forward position........no one left behind, that's not debatable, reasoned out, or interpreted.
there's moto's, and then there's real life !
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You would kill your own child , oh brother.
No, I couldn't personally do it, that's why I said I'd have to get someone else to do it. But, like I said, if it was just me and my baby, we'd both get it, as the only way I could justify it would be to save the entire group. It's not ever going to happen, but in the perimeters of the question, I'd say yes. Probably off myself once the group got free. It would be a last choice, after all else had been exhausted.
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I couldn't smother my child. If it was our time to die, we are going to die together as a family.
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No, I couldn't personally do it, that's why I said I'd have to get someone else to do it. But, like I said, if it was just me and my baby, we'd both get it, as the only way I could justify it would be to save the entire group. It's not ever going to happen, but in the perimeters of the question, I'd say yes. Probably off myself once the group got free. It would be a last choice, after all else had been exhausted.
Fuck the entire group , in that situation the only person I would protect to the end is my baby .
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I'd have to get someone else to do it.
This is fucking sad .
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Fuck the entire group , in that situation the only person I would protect to the end is my baby .
what if your baby looks like Adonis
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what if your baby looks like Adonis
Then we kill it with Fire!
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what if your baby looks like Adonis
He'd curb stomp it....then drop kick it from the cellar window, through the plate glass into a garbage can filled with rabid hungry coons. ;D
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what if your baby looks like Adonis
Haha, he would have never taken his first breath .
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You have never sniffed combat military, this question offends anyone who every served in a forward position........no one left behind, that's not debatable, reasoned out, or interpreted.
Agreed. If he's non ambulatory or we cannot exfil, dig in to a defensible position and wait.... or try to chop them up in an ambush.
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Haha, he would have never taken his first breath .
This is precisely because you would be jealous of being put into your place on a daily basis. I wouldn`t even call you dad. I would just call you moron instead. A child smarter than the parent is probably a curse for most which is why stupid continues to thrive.
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Agreed. If he's non ambulatory or we cannot exfil, dig in to a defensible position and wait.... or try to chop them up in an ambush.
No one left behind doesn`t apply to special forces though? ???
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Not sure, is Shizzo my kid?
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This is precisely because you would be jealous of being put into your place on a daily basis. I wouldn`t even call you dad. I would just call you moron instead. A child smarter than the parent is probably a curse for most which is why stupid continues to thrive.
Settle down Adonis is not my fault that you are ugly as fuck .
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Settle down Adonis is not my fault that you are ugly as fuck .
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At least we both can agree that we are glad you are not in anyway related to me. That would just be awful. :D
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At least we both can agree that we are glad you are not in anyway related to me. That would just be awful. :D
I assume you would first torture than shoot soldier Che numerous times (this is regarding your second question)
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I couldn't smother my child. If it was our time to die, we are going to die together as a family.
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I couldn't smother my child. If it was our time to die, we are going to die together as a family.
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What about the others in the cellar with you? Are they not as important?
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Rather die on my feet...then live on my knees.
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Rather die on my feet...then live on my knees.
By that rationale, you would rather shoot the soldier-dying on his feet rather than having him be tortured-on his knees.
Is this correct?
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By that rationale, you would rather shoot the soldier-dying on his feet rather than having him be tortured-on his knees.
Is this correct?
Asked and answered...refer to previous post.
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Asked and answered...refer to previous post.
I don`t buy it. If your commanding officer ordered you to get the hell out of there, you would get the hell out of there.
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Enemy soldiers have taken over your village. They have orders to kill all remaining civilians. You and some of your townspeople have sought refuge in the cellar of a large house. Outside you hear the voices of soldiers who have come to search the house for valuables.
Your baby begins to cry loudly. You cover his mouth to block the sound. If you remove your hand from his mouth, his crying will summon the attention of the soldiers who will kill you, your child, and the others hiding out in the cellar. To save yourself and the others you must smother your child to death.
Would you smother your child in order to save yourself and the other townspeople?
I would put my baby on the breast and that would silence it. Problem solved
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I don`t buy it. If your commanding officer ordered you to get the hell out of there, you would get the hell out of there.
Your logic doesn't work in the military....I'm sure cowards and their ilk might do what you suggest, but I've never seen it. Join up and your questions will be answered, go 11B ask for combat cohort to Drum Hood or Bragg.
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Enemy soldiers have taken over your village. They have orders to kill all remaining civilians. You and some of your townspeople have sought refuge in the cellar of a large house. Outside you hear the voices of soldiers who have come to search the house for valuables.
Your baby begins to cry loudly. You cover his mouth to block the sound. If you remove your hand from his mouth, his crying will summon the attention of the soldiers who will kill you, your child, and the others hiding out in the cellar. To save yourself and the others you must smother your child to death.
Would you smother your child in order to save yourself and the other townspeople?
you have to. its sucks but must be done. now, to be in that situation and do i is a very different thing. lol easy sitting here saying 'ya you have to'. emotion is a strong thing esp love.
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Your logic doesn't work in the military....I'm sure cowards and their ilk might do what you suggest, but I've never seen it. Join up and your questions will be answered, go 11B ask for combat cohort to Drum Hood or Bragg.
How many stories do you want me to post of Commanding Officers leaving the wounded behind in order to save themselves and/or their unit?
I take it you have never read history? You may have served in the military but you still have rose tinted glasses on.
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You are the leader of a small group of soldiers. You are on your way back from a completed mission deep in enemy territory when one of your men has stepped in a trap set by the enemy and is badly injured. The trap is connected to a radio device that by now has alerted the enemy to your presence. They will soon be on their way.
If the enemy finds your injured man, they will torture him and kill him. He begs you not to leave him behind, but if you try to take him with you your entire group will be captured. The only way to prevent this injured soldier from being tortured is to shoot him yourself.
Would you shoot this soldier in order to prevent him from being tortured by the enemy?
'hes a dead muthafucka'
-author unknown
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How many stories do you want me to post of Commanding Officers leaving the wounded behind in order to save themselves and/or their unit?
I take it you have never read history? You may have served in the military but you still have rose tinted glasses on.
I have two deployments and you have stories from Three Musketeers.....I've served with vets from every war except WWII but have 2 grandfathers that served and my wife's two that also served....and never have I heard of wounded being left behind.......
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At least we both can agree that we are glad you are not in anyway related to me. That would just be awful. :D
Actually I wish you were my brother ,with your brain and my looks we could rule the world.
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you have to. its sucks but must be done. now, to be in that situation and do i is a very different thing. lol easy sitting here saying 'ya you have to'. emotion is a strong thing esp love.
My thoughts. After sitting here thinking about it, I may have to just look the others in the eye and tell them sorry, it's not me who's killing them, and deal with it as it comes.
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I have two deployments and you have stories from Three Musketeers.....I've served with vets from every war except WWII but have 2 grandfathers that served and my wife's two that also served....and never have I heard of wounded being left behind.......
Wow. My dad was 82nd airborne in the 50s, my grandfather was a POW during World War II captured by Nazis and my wifes grandfather was a Captain in the Navy in charge of an entire hospital.
All of that means nothing and I have heard and read plenty of stories of leaving wounded behind, especially in Vietnam. Does the term MIA mean anything to you? ???
Lets not even bring up the Civil War. ;)
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Wow. My dad was 82nd airborne in the 50s, my grandfather was a POW during World War II captured by Nazis and my wife grandfather was a Captain in the Navy in charge of an entire hospital.
All of that means nothing and I have heard and read plenty of stories of leaving wounded behind, especially in Vietnam. Does the term MIA mean anything to you? ???
Lets not even bring up the Civil War. ;)
:o :o
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Missing in Action was mostly Phantom pilots that went down in areas where the NVA got to them before rescue did....or entire squads that got captured or troops separated and grabbed during combat.....tunnel rats that got lost etc.
I've meet Hal Moore he'd blow his brains out if he abandoned a wounded man...and I'm a history minor, with a penchant for russian civil war 1917-1923 formation of the рсфср...also US industrial revolution and WWII.
So I will be happy to review these cases where field officers abandoned wounded to save their own skins...
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Wow. My dad was 82nd airborne in the 50s, my grandfather was a POW during World War II captured by Nazis and my wifes grandfather was a Captain in the Navy in charge of an entire hospital.
All of that means nothing and I have heard and read plenty of stories of leaving wounded behind, especially in Vietnam. Does the term MIA mean anything to you? ???
Lets not even bring up the Civil War. ;)
things are different now. Durinf OIF 1, a Marine was stung up and killed in a major city that wasnt a primary objective. They allocated a massove force to recover the body. We dont leave our dead/wounded behind. Now, things may be different in certain SOF situations that none of use really know about, but I doubt it. If they have to retreat and then come back in force to recover the wounded, they will do that.
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Also please don't bring up Soviets during WWII, Stalin stated at the beginning of the war "we don't have POWs we have traitors" effectively denying Russian soldiers the Geneva convention protections. So wounded left behind enemy lines were shot as traitors....other then the Red scum I know of no action or theater where wounded were abandoned.....holland had a field hospital that was cut off and elected not to surrender so wounded fought...
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In before this turns into a 20 page civil war debate. :D
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Regarding to the International Court of Justice in Hagg (The Netherlands) 2013 ; Artillery fire can be legally of target up to 2 km ;)
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things are different now. Durinf OIF 1, a Marine was stung up and killed in a major city that wasnt a primary objective. They allocated a massove force to recover the body. We dont leave our dead/wounded behind. Now, things may be different in certain SOF situations that none of use really know about, but I doubt it. If they have to retreat and then come back in force to recover the wounded, they will do that.
In Somalia two rangers volunteered to hold fire position on a down chopper with wounded until relief arrived....10th mountain didn't get to them in time....never left their post, weren't properly relieved! Two MOH posthumous.
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Missing in Action was mostly Phantom pilots that went down in areas where the NVA got to them before rescue did....or entire squads that got captured or troops separated and grabbed during combat.....tunnel rats that got lost etc.
I've meet Hal Moore he'd blow his brains out if he abandoned a wounded man...and I'm a history minor, with a penchant for russian civil war 1917-1923 formation of the рсфср...also US industrial revolution and WWII.
So I will be happy to review these cases where field officers abandoned wounded to save their own skins...
John Masters
During the Second World War, British Army officer John Masters served primarily in Burma fighting the Japanese. In his 1961 memoir, The Road Past Mandalay, he described a wrenching decision he had to make in May 1944 while commanding a brigade in northern Burma that was about to be overrun by a larger Japanese force. His unit had previously cared for and evacuated all of its sick and injured men, through extremely challenging terrain and weather. But now it lacked enough healthy men, horses and mules to safely withdraw all of its wounded: some would have to be left behind. So Masters ordered 19 of those in the worst condition, whom his medical officer judged to be near death, to be put to death immediately rather than abandoned to die of their wounds or at the hands of their captors. All of those men who were still conscious were given morphine before being shot (Masters 1961, 253-4)
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You think Daniel Inouye every left anyone behind??? 8)
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/12/17/National-Politics/Images/inouye006.jpg)
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Enemy soldiers have taken over your village. They have orders to kill all remaining civilians. You and some of your townspeople have sought refuge in the cellar of a large house. Outside you hear the voices of soldiers who have come to search the house for valuables.
Your baby begins to cry loudly. You cover his mouth to block the sound. If you remove your hand from his mouth, his crying will summon the attention of the soldiers who will kill you, your child, and the others hiding out in the cellar. To save yourself and the others you must smother your child to death.
Would you smother your child in order to save yourself and the other townspeople?
Is my child likely to become a professional bodybuilder in the future?
You are the leader of a small group of soldiers. You are on your way back from a completed mission deep in enemy territory when one of your men has stepped in a trap set by the enemy and is badly injured. The trap is connected to a radio device that by now has alerted the enemy to your presence. They will soon be on their way.
If the enemy finds your injured man, they will torture him and kill him. He begs you not to leave him behind, but if you try to take him with you your entire group will be captured. The only way to prevent this injured soldier from being tortured is to shoot him yourself.
Would you shoot this soldier in order to prevent him from being tortured by the enemy?
One right between the eyes...
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http://www.thejournal.ie/missing-vietnam-vet-found-john-robertson-885986-Apr2013/
(http://s3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/john-robertson-unclaimed-390x285.jpg)
This US soldier ‘found alive’ in Vietnam 44 years after being left behind
Filmmaker says John Robertson, now 76, can no longer speak English, remember his birthday or the names of his American children.
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A NEW DOCUMENTARY called Unclaimed claims to introduce the world to former Army Sergeant John Robertson, lost over Vietnam in 1968 and left behind for over four decades.
The Toronto Star reports Edmonton filmmaker Michael Jorgenson found Robertson, 76, living in a rural Vietnam village stooped with age, unable to speak English, remember his birthday, or names of the children he left behind in the U.S.
It’s a story difficult to understand considering the US military places such a priority on bringing every service member home, whenever possible.
Jorgenson told the Toronto Star that he was also skeptical when Vietnam vet Tom Faunce came to him and explained a man he’d found in Vietnam was a former “Army brother” listed as killed in action and forgotten. He says he became convinced only after going to Vietnam and meeting Robertson himself.
What he found was revealed to filmgoers in an invitation only screening of “Unclaimed” at a Toronto theatre earlier this month.
From The Toronto Star:
There is physical proof of Robertson’s birthplace, collected in dramatic fashion onscreen; a tearful meeting in Vietnam with a soldier who was trained by Robertson in 1960 and said he knew him on sight; and a heart-wrenching reunion with his only surviving sister — 80-year-old Jean Robertson-Holly — in Edmonton in December 2012 that left the audience at the Toronto screening wiping away tears.
Jorgenson encountered so much resistance from the US military making his film that he says he’s convinced one “high-placed government source” was telling the truth when he said, “It’s not that the Vietnamese won’t let him (Robertson) go; it’s that our government doesn’t want him.”
Wringing out the details and talking to Robertson’s American family seems to have been a gut-wrenching affair. The children whose names he couldn’t recall declined DNA testing at the last minute with no explanation.
None of that mattered to Roberston who says he fulfilled his wish of coming to America and seeing his kids one more time before he dies.
Robertson’s now back in Vietnam, with no desire to leave and Unclaimed opens in the USA on 12 May, at the G.I. Film Festival in Washington, DC.
- Robert Johnson
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You think Daniel Inouye every left anyone behind??? 8)
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/12/17/National-Politics/Images/inouye006.jpg)
Dude was a beast. Part of the unit whose motto was "go for broke".
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Dude was a beast. Part of the unit whose motto was "go for broke".
He lived in my building back in the DC area. Met him and spoke to him a few times, True American hero!
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http://www.thejournal.ie/missing-vietnam-vet-found-john-robertson-885986-Apr2013/
(http://s3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/john-robertson-unclaimed-390x285.jpg)
This US soldier ‘found alive’ in Vietnam 44 years after being left behind
Filmmaker says John Robertson, now 76, can no longer speak English, remember his birthday or the names of his American children.
28/04/13 472,301 Views 282 Comments Share55764 Tweet1164 Email654
A NEW DOCUMENTARY called Unclaimed claims to introduce the world to former Army Sergeant John Robertson, lost over Vietnam in 1968 and left behind for over four decades.
The Toronto Star reports Edmonton filmmaker Michael Jorgenson found Robertson, 76, living in a rural Vietnam village stooped with age, unable to speak English, remember his birthday, or names of the children he left behind in the U.S.
It’s a story difficult to understand considering the US military places such a priority on bringing every service member home, whenever possible.
Jorgenson told the Toronto Star that he was also skeptical when Vietnam vet Tom Faunce came to him and explained a man he’d found in Vietnam was a former “Army brother” listed as killed in action and forgotten. He says he became convinced only after going to Vietnam and meeting Robertson himself.
What he found was revealed to filmgoers in an invitation only screening of “Unclaimed” at a Toronto theatre earlier this month.
From The Toronto Star:
There is physical proof of Robertson’s birthplace, collected in dramatic fashion onscreen; a tearful meeting in Vietnam with a soldier who was trained by Robertson in 1960 and said he knew him on sight; and a heart-wrenching reunion with his only surviving sister — 80-year-old Jean Robertson-Holly — in Edmonton in December 2012 that left the audience at the Toronto screening wiping away tears.
Jorgenson encountered so much resistance from the US military making his film that he says he’s convinced one “high-placed government source” was telling the truth when he said, “It’s not that the Vietnamese won’t let him (Robertson) go; it’s that our government doesn’t want him.”
Wringing out the details and talking to Robertson’s American family seems to have been a gut-wrenching affair. The children whose names he couldn’t recall declined DNA testing at the last minute with no explanation.
None of that mattered to Roberston who says he fulfilled his wish of coming to America and seeing his kids one more time before he dies.
Robertson’s now back in Vietnam, with no desire to leave and Unclaimed opens in the USA on 12 May, at the G.I. Film Festival in Washington, DC.
- Robert Johnson
I see nothing there that indicates he was wounded and that his unit abandoned him in order to save themselves. Shit happens, people back then were left in POW camps until the war was over, people were thought dead who simply went UA and never returned, others got separated and lost.
Thats a lot different than a conscious decision by a military unit to leave their wounded teammates behind. Maybe thats were this breakdown in communication is coming from.
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http://www.thejournal.ie/missing-vietnam-vet-found-john-robertson-885986-Apr2013/
(http://s3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/john-robertson-unclaimed-390x285.jpg)
This US soldier ‘found alive’ in Vietnam 44 years after being left behind
Filmmaker says John Robertson, now 76, can no longer speak English, remember his birthday or the names of his American children.
28/04/13 472,301 Views 282 Comments Share55764 Tweet1164 Email654
A NEW DOCUMENTARY called Unclaimed claims to introduce the world to former Army Sergeant John Robertson, lost over Vietnam in 1968 and left behind for over four decades.
The Toronto Star reports Edmonton filmmaker Michael Jorgenson found Robertson, 76, living in a rural Vietnam village stooped with age, unable to speak English, remember his birthday, or names of the children he left behind in the U.S.
It’s a story difficult to understand considering the US military places such a priority on bringing every service member home, whenever possible.
Jorgenson told the Toronto Star that he was also skeptical when Vietnam vet Tom Faunce came to him and explained a man he’d found in Vietnam was a former “Army brother” listed as killed in action and forgotten. He says he became convinced only after going to Vietnam and meeting Robertson himself.
What he found was revealed to filmgoers in an invitation only screening of “Unclaimed” at a Toronto theatre earlier this month.
From The Toronto Star:
There is physical proof of Robertson’s birthplace, collected in dramatic fashion onscreen; a tearful meeting in Vietnam with a soldier who was trained by Robertson in 1960 and said he knew him on sight; and a heart-wrenching reunion with his only surviving sister — 80-year-old Jean Robertson-Holly — in Edmonton in December 2012 that left the audience at the Toronto screening wiping away tears.
Jorgenson encountered so much resistance from the US military making his film that he says he’s convinced one “high-placed government source” was telling the truth when he said, “It’s not that the Vietnamese won’t let him (Robertson) go; it’s that our government doesn’t want him.”
Wringing out the details and talking to Robertson’s American family seems to have been a gut-wrenching affair. The children whose names he couldn’t recall declined DNA testing at the last minute with no explanation.
None of that mattered to Roberston who says he fulfilled his wish of coming to America and seeing his kids one more time before he dies.
Robertson’s now back in Vietnam, with no desire to leave and Unclaimed opens in the USA on 12 May, at the G.I. Film Festival in Washington, DC.
- Robert Johnson
Although disturbing this does not apply to being left behind by your unit or commanding officer....this is about bureaucrats that have no honor.
Edit: Shock you beat me to it....
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Although disturbing this does not apply to being left behind by your unit or commanding officer....this is about bureaucrats that have no honor.
Edit: Shock you beat me to it....
This book was written by a North Carolina Congressman:
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This book was written by a North Carolina Congressman:
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Same thing Adam.... Soldiers being left to rot in POW camps by politicians is NOT the same thing as a military unit abandoning it's teammates to save their own lives, which is what you were asking in the 1st question.
But you know this already.. you're just having fun. :D
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Same thing Adam.... Soldiers being left to rot in POW camps by politicians is NOT the same thing as a military unit abandoning it's teammates to save their own lives, which is what you were asking in the 1st question.
But you know this already.. you're just having fun. :D
Check out the book. It is detailed of how hundreds of soldiers were left behind, a lot from decisions their commanding officers made-direct orders.
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wasn't this a mash episode where hawkeye yelled at a lady to shut her chicken up,but it was a kid and she smothered it?