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Would it be better to go sub 10%BF and train up from there on lower cals... or stay at 12% and train heavy on more cals? Keep in mind I'm coming off injury and am still healing.
Natty no gear....yet! (prob. use 80% Gals method once I get on test)
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I mean the difference between 10% and 12% is not COLOSSAL!!!
How much Sub 10% are you talking about?
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Another permabulker afraid he will have to cut on the ding-dongs
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12% is too fat natty or not.
Damn dude we have a strict definition of 'fat' on this board - I look soooooooo in shape when I'm 12% :D
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I mean the difference between 10% and 12% is not COLOSSAL!!!
How much Sub 10% are you talking about?
I can be at 8% in 6 weeks no prob. puts me at 185 or so
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Another permabulker afraid he will have to cut on the ding-dongs
Calling me a permabulker.....BWAHAHAH AHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHHHA HHAH
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Calling me a permabulker.....BWAHAHAH AHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHHHA HHAH
post a pic you little Siberian koala
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post a pic you little Siberian koala
and don't be a dick about it neither ;D
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I can be at 8% in 6 weeks no prob. puts me at 185 or so
Really depends what your goals are.... you know....
I mean honestly this discussion is kinda splitting hairs because the bf% levels are so close, its very hard for anyone to distinguish between 10% and 8% lol... or 12% and 10%......
I'd be happy staying at 12% and working from there... some may not feel so comfortable with that! All depends on you really
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Really depends what your goals are.... you know....
I mean honestly this discussion is kinda splitting hairs because the bf% levels are so close, its very hard for anyone to distinguish between 10% and 8% lol... or 12% and 10%......
I'd be happy staying at 12% and working from there... some may not feel so comfortable with that! All depends on you really
Goal is simple regain 20lbs of muscle I lost since late last years MVA....back then I was about 8-10% on 2000 cals a day....
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This may not be a popular opinion - but I think I look fine now..... if I were you I'd just try to focus on putting on lean muscle, don't stress too much about losing weight or what have you.... forget the numbers
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Cut and then bulk once you've peaked. Any time I cut hard I just up the calories and I bounce back up and fill out without bloating.
12% body fat is FAT, my friend. Cut and look good, don't be in the fat zone where you can't take off your shirt.
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I'm not as worried about looks as much as putting on muscle back on my frame (I can cut to sub 10 at will)....my dress shirts shoulders hang an inch or more lower now :'(
The feedback I'm looking for....best way to put on lean muscle quickest. I though muscle mass might return faster...BUT it has not 20 POUNDS GONE! :-X
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its hard to cut and put on size at the same time especially naturally
i would cut first then clean bulk
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8% area is the perfect area to be in. not to fat so you still look great with shirt off. but not so lean that you lose strength or go flat.
big ache, 12% is fat. sorry. maybe not compared to the general public but I don't compare myself to the general public. my stomach looks like shit at 12%
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comeon ach youre just been lazy dieter now for a while.
with sayin 10% looks kinda like 8, and 10 is close to 12, why not 14%? ;D
6 and 8 look nothing alike.12 and up dont even matter anymore, as there wont be any cuts really anyway.
its ok ,naty will have somewhat abs and lines at 10-12, but for on gear, the lower the better.
LOL yes I'm a lazy dieter.....
Come one thats horseshit if you think you can EASILY distinguish the difference between 2% bodyfat!! Give me a break!
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LOL yes I'm a lazy dieter.....
Come one thats horseshit if you think you can EASILY distinguish the difference between 2% bodyfat!! Give me a break!
when you are very lean, yes you can distinguish it very easily. you should know this, pretty sure you have been fucken shredded yourself.
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8% area is the perfect area to be in. not to fat so you still look great with shirt off. but not so lean that you lose strength or go flat.
big ache, 12% is fat. sorry. maybe not compared to the general public but I don't compare myself to the general public. my stomach looks like shit at 12%
I think 12% is IDEAL everyday walking around bf% for a non competitive bodybuilder or an off-season bodybuilder.....
But you also have to remember bf% levels look different on everyone, people just carry their fat differently!
If 8% is what makes you happy - then more power to you brother!
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I didn't cut to sub 10 earlier with the injury I wanted body to heal and wanted additional energy FAT available....but I'm not seeing the growth I was hoping for....and granted its been only months since I can lift anything decent, yet still!
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when you are very lean, yes you can distinguish it very easily. you should know this, pretty sure you have been fucken shredded yourself.
Yes maybe if we are talking 5% or 3%
But 10% IS NOT THAT big of a difference from 12% - I'm not saying its not different, I'm just saying more people are bound to have trouble distinguishing the two!
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I have a funny method to tell bodyfat....at 12 I'm loose in 34's and need belt.... at 10 in 32's with a bit of muffin top (daughters comment) at 9 good fit....8 32's are loose.
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forget about weight, weight means nothing.
Its a big phyche out to be 6' and see 180 on scale....havent seen that since HS now looking at 195 and getting chills.
EDIT: I am 195 and don't want to see 180! Kapeesh
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yah, man, if im at 10%, i have kinda small frame, i look like never lifted a weight before.
even 5-10lbs of fat and water on where i am now, would make me look 20times less impressive.
agreed 12% is fat as hell.for christ sake.
man ofc can easy distinguish on myself, you been shredded before, and then after rebounding, when say 2% fatter, im sure you could tell the difference :D
over 12%, sure, i cant tell anymore, as all lines are gone.
that bc youre a nattie, muscle dont came fast, even on gear.
and they dont come any faster when fatter.
i totaly agree with bouncer no more than 8%, esp on gear, he knows full well why that is bc hes been there.
hell, when at 8% and on test, overeating will make you feel very sorry ;D
LOL When I rebound it ain't no 2%..... its like 200% ;D
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Its a big phyche out to be 6' and see 180 on scale....havent seen that since HS now looking at 195 and getting chills.
look in the fucken mirror you retard. who gives a flying fuck what the scale says when you look like a fucking god. this is why you look like the average guy. you have an average mindset. think like a god and you will look like a god as long as you are willing to do what it takes.
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look in the fucken mirror you retard. who gives a flying fuck what the scale says when you look like a fucking god. this is why you look like the average guy. you have an average mindset. think like a god and you will look like a god as long as you are willing to do what it takes.
whats if his eyes mean he can never look straight :-*
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whats if his eyes mean he can never look straight :-*
you can look at my body from upside angle... still looks amazing. ;)
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you can look at my body from upside angle... still looks amazing. ;)
great abs
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you know i love you , and precisely for that, youre my most respected natty trainer besides che(who only does steroids precontest,so stil natty)
i know youre the type to gain fat quickly adn hold water, oh well, this gets even worse when one is natty, so its understandable to not set the bodyfat bar so low for you 8)
yea but its temprary and most likely water.
to put it bluntly, rather be like what im now, i dont know, i barely break the 200lbs barrier now but am ripped all the way, ot fatleniko, a "manly" 270lbs .hell fatleniko was afraid to leave the house, he tought ppl would accuse him for being the reason for famines :D
I should post the "Fatlegroinko" pic . 263 pounds, about 17 percent body fat, I thought I looked like the man. I was a big motherfucker for natural though.
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I should post the "Fatlegroinko" pic . 263 pounds, about 17 percent body fat, I thought I looked like the man. I was a big motherfucker for natural though.
Weak legs etc
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I should post the "Fatlegroinko" pic . 263 pounds, about 17 percent body fat, I thought I looked like the man. I was a big motherfucker for natural though.
;)
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thats true, however i myself in some clothes look like i nver lifted a weight
example, in my work uniform, ppl never said anything, the ppl who work around the corners, nothing, despite me talking t o them often when having a break for a ciggy.
then one day i walk by when i was off work, with the gay shorts, shirtless, heading to the beach and theyre like "fucking hell, arnold" blabla.
that said, who ever been to bbuilding show, theyll know that the athletes when ripped, even the heavyweigths will look like normal guy in the clothes.
hell, a world champ i know looked like anorexic in clothes.
serious question
do you think smoking helps curb your appetite
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look in the fucken mirror you retard. who gives a flying fuck what the scale says when you look like a fucking god. this is why you look like the average guy. you have an average mindset. think like a god and you will look like a god as long as you are willing to do what it takes.
Listen sparky....I've had my body a LONG time ;D I know BY THE SCALE when I am healthy and sport GOD looks...which is daily FACE WISE ;D
I look like an avg guy ::) because I'm down 20lbs of muscle and a years worth of training.....and you looking up at me from your wheelchair/dialysis machine being 10 years my junior is NOT worth a six pack at all costs! Friendly advise bro....
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Unless you have a 29 inch waist and are a one in a million genetic freak, which you're not, at a natural 6'00", 180 pounds, u will not look like u even lift, particularly w/ clothes on. If you're in a tank top, and your BF is low enough, your neighbors may ask if you're into "working out," but they certainly aren't going to confuse you with a bodybuilder or any kind of strength athlete.
I am 195....I'm concerned that I might see 180 IF I DONT PUT MY MASS BACK ON.....and at 10% and down I sport a 32 waist or less
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look in the fucken mirror you retard. who gives a flying fuck what the scale says when you look like a fucking god. this is why you look like the average guy. you have an average mindset. think like a god and you will look like a god as long as you are willing to do what it takes.
You sound like an idiot.
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Listen sparky....I've had my body a LONG time ;D I know BY THE SCALE when I am healthy and sport GOD looks...which is daily FACE WISE ;D
I look like an avg guy ::) because I'm down 20lbs of muscle and a years worth of training.....and you looking up at me from your wheelchair/dialysis machine being 10 years my junior is NOT worth a six pack at all costs! Friendly advise bro....
You do look like an average guy tedim.. in your most recent pic, you look like a person that has never set foot in a gym before. Not flaming at all....we keep it real here bud.
You can talk yourself up all day..8 percent body fat, 30 inch waist, tiny joints, 20 pounds of mass.....etc...etc..arou nd here talk is cheap brother. Post a pic showing any of those attributes and you will be taken seriously. Until then you're just another guy talking.....LOTS of those here.
Again...no flame...Getbig lets you know the truth.
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You sound like an idiot.
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You do look like an average guy tedim.. in your most recent pic, you look like a person that has never set foot in a gym before. Not flaming at all....we keep it real here bud.
You can talk yourself up all day..8 percent body fat, 30 inch waist, tiny joints, 20 pounds of mass.....etc...etc..arou nd here talk is cheap brother. Post a pic showing any of those attributes and you will be taken seriously. Until then you're just another guy talking.....LOTS of those here.
Again...no flame...Getbig lets you know the truth.
I know its the roid rage and AAS talking.....but that really hurt, I only hope that when I'm pushing 50 and cycling gallons of PED's...I too can collect the accolades that getbiggers give you. YOU'RE HUGE ::)
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lot of super obese 12% fat bodies in this thread
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I know its the roid rage and AAS talking.....but that really hurt, I only hope that when I'm pushing 50 and cycling gallons of PED's...I too can collect
.the accolades that getbiggers give you. YOU'RE HUGE ::)
Ha ha...jeez do you melt this hard whenever someone tells you the truth ?
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Ha ha...jeez do you melt this hard whenever someone tells you the truth ?
You think thats a Melt? BWAHAHAHAHAAH
and we all get it GROINK HUGE, GROINK GET MAD, GROINK SMASH......
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You think thats a Melt? BWAHAHAHAHAAH
and we all get it GROINK HUGE, GROINK GET MAD, GROINK SMASH......
What I'm getting is someone has a very high opinion of themself and starts lashing out when someone tells them like it is.
Cue another pointless tedium rant
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lot of super obese 12% fat bodies in this thread
obese mother fucker checking in. happy to report that my self worth isn't wrapped up in what calipers read.
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What I'm getting is someone has a very high opinion of themself and starts lashing out when someone tells them like it is.
Cue another pointless tedium rant
thank you for your insightful critique jammed packed with useful advise...... ::)
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thank you for your insightful critique jammed packed with useful advise...... ::)
Dude if you want advice, there are a couple of threads where Gal , no one, UK Jeff OTH and myself talk bodybuilding in detail as far as training and nutrition. Be respectful and we are always willing to help out a beginner just starting out and trying to put on a little muscle, but really doesnt have a plan.
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Dude if you want advice, there are a couple of threads where Gal , no one, UK Jeff OTH and myself talk bodybuilding in detail as far as training and nutrition. Be respectful and we are always willing to help out a beginner just starting out and trying to put on a little muscle, but really doesnt have a plan.
I'll make sure to file your suggestions in my vertical file....you can now return to repairing that transmission or changing the oil or whatever you do.
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The consistent users, which also harbor a lot of willpower, have spread optimal knowledge here.
Looking built from afar in clothes won't happen unless your a patient "disciple" or a freak of nature.
The weight game is the game of the "Animal" crowd - it's pure ego with no payoff.
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I'll make sure to file your suggestions in my vertical file....you can now return to repairing that transmission or changing the oil or whatever you do.
You do that , just let us know when you finally recover from your injuries and can actually train...seems to be taking you a long time
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thank you for your insightful critique jammed packed with useful advise...... ::)
bodybuilding.com might be more up your alley. You can find plenty of useful advice for a gifted natural like yourself over there.
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and don't be a dick about it neither ;D
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you need to diet to 8% then hop on a stack
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you need to diet to 8% then hop on a stack
I'm a natty....so no stack.
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forget about weight, weight means nothing.
This also I wouldn't diet just eat healthy. Your body needs the extra calories to heal. Summers pretty much over anyway I would focus on getting the injury 100% now and next summer as a goal for getting ripped 8)
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I'm a natty....so no stack.
then diet and exercise in moderation
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then diet and exercise in moderation
I train like I'm on gear......5 days a week. Overtraining happens but I usually push through it.
I did this thread just to see others perspective....so far.....meh.
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I train like I'm on gear......5 days a week. Overtraining happens but I usually push through it.
I did this thread just to see others perspective....so far.....meh.
you seem to be a novice...
People with experience advised you. You obviously have your own ideas even though you know jack shit about how this thing works
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you seem to be a novice...
People with experience advised you. You obviously have your own ideas even though you know jack shit about how this thing works
Humorous, you posting like you are some authority figure around here.
Clearly a misplaced sense of self worth.
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Remove Kebab
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Humorous, you posting like you are some authority figure around here.
Clearly a misplaced sense of self worth.
i shit. On you too ;)
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A bald skinny fat twink that can't get it up.
The definition of an alpha male.
yawn...you must be new around here...should I smack you around a bit?
You seem quite the bore
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Some might find Shakespeare somewhat of a bore, but then again, he was never known best for his comedic pieces.
Mainly his Tragedies like Hamlet, Macbeth, Othello, Romeo and Juliet and King Lear made him the Legend that he is.
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Shakespeare was gay. Nuff said
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Shakespeare was gay. Nuff said
:D
He had three children with Anne Hathway! Married her as early as 18 years of age!
Not what a gaylord would do Seb!
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:D
He had three children with Anne Hathway! Married her as early as 18 years of age!
Not what a gaylord would do Seb!
Chaka Khan breaking out the trivia.
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Yvette Marie Stevens aka "Tjocka Karln" was born March 23, 1953 and is also known as the "Queen of Funk-Soul"
A 10-time Grammy Award-winning American singer-songwriter whose career has spanned four decades, beginning in the 1970s as the frontwoman and focal point of the funk band Rufus.
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you seem to be a novice...
People with experience advised you. You obviously have your own ideas even though you know jack shit about how this thing works
Lol
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Lol
Actually you got zero advice.
Here's some coming from another guy that exploded his shoulder..my warmup for bench borders on ridiculous. All pressing movements. Do your usual light set.i do the bar, and then 135....but then throw on a little weight, and do a couple more. I do three. Get the joint warm and used to handling a little weight before you push it. Between sets I take a ten pound plate bend over with my arm hanging down (like a concentration curl) and swing my arm in a circular motion. Going in bigger and smaller circles in a controlled fashion.
I'm sure your p/t has given you stuff... that's what really helped me.
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Actually you got zero advice.
Here's some coming from another guy that exploded his shoulder..my warmup for bench borders on ridiculous. All pressing movements. Do your usual light set.i do the bar, and then 135....but then throw on a little weight, and do a couple more. I do three. Get the joint warm and used to handling a little weight before you push it. Between sets I take a ten pound plate bend over with my arm hanging down (like a concentration curl) and swing my arm in a circular motion. Going in bigger and smaller circles in a controlled fashion.
I'm sure your p/t has given you stuff... that's what really helped me.
I do similar
I stretch shoulder on smith m first then rotate joint 360 deg with 5 lbs dumbbell
I do first bench flat and decline bar only then 10 reps at 135 then go hog wild until failure
Incline I do dumbbell only the bar hurts
And lately every day is standing press day.
Edit I'm going to try the movement with the 10 lb plate thnx
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I do similar
I stretch shoulder on smith m first then rotate joint 360 deg with 5 lbs dumbbell
I do first bench flat and decline bar only then 10 reps at 135 then go hog wild until failure
Incline I do dumbbell only the bar hurts
And lately every day is standing press day.
Give this a try...between 135 and hog wild...throw in a couple of sets at 170 or so. Don't shoot your nut, stop before you are really pushing. I found I am stronger on my work sets when I do this. Gets all your synapses firing. I used to akways feel I should. Have got more out of my sets, I wasn't "ready"
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I do similar
I stretch shoulder on smith m first then rotate joint 360 deg with 5 lbs dumbbell
I do first bench flat and decline bar only then 10 reps at 135 then go hog wild until failure
Incline I do dumbbell only the bar hurts
And lately every day is standing press day.
Edit I'm going to try the movement with the 10 lb plate thnx
do more warmups.
Say your workset is 225
A far better warmup would be
bar x 20 to 30
Bar plus a pair 25s x 12
135 x 8
175 x 5
200 x 3
225 x 1
Then 225 to complete failure.
Sounds like a lot but its safer and you will probably be stonger on your workset.
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Give this a try...between 135 and hog wild...throw in a couple of sets at 170 or so. Don't shoot your nut, stop before you are really pushing. I found I am stronger on my work sets when I do this. Gets all your synapses firing. I used to akways feel I should. Have got more out of my sets, I wasn't "ready"
Here is what I do on chest days twice weekly. Typing on iPhone with my sausage fingers.....
Stretch smith m with bar at highest setting all sorts of twisting turning pulling
Then with 5 lb dumbbell using bench I hold up and start doing circles until full ROM
I circuit my flat incline decline
Start with bar for fast movements about 25 reps or so both on flat incline
Do 60 dumbs for 8 on incline
Do 135 F&D for 10 or so
Incline 70 for 6 to 8 rest and for 3 more
185 for 6 flat stay at 135 on decline 10+
Incline 75 for 4/5 top of pyramid then later 3 sets down to 55
Flat 225 for reps as much as I can push then pyramid down to 135 close grip about 4 more sets different weight
Decline to 155 for 10 the pyramid you get the idea
Last set flat till full failure on 135.
Then polish with cable machines