Where did he say he smokes it or even tried it? I must have missed it.
It has some medical value for sure, but I wish the stoners would just say why they defend it so much: they just like to get high. All this talk about medical value and using hemp for everything is just a bunch of balonie most don't really care about. You really want your trousers made of hemp, it's really important to you right? :D
I have never smoked weed in my life (or cigs). I frown upon people who use substances as a crutch.
What point are you trying to make? Constant weed smoking can't be good for health or the brain.
How is the nephew?
There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.What do you have to say for stoners? Maybe your nephew is one of the few who can surmount regular weed smoking. I am a firm believer that weed kills brain cells. Unless, weed attracts the majority of lazy, morons.
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...
Nothing..
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What do you have to say for stoners? Maybe your nephew is one of the few who can surmount regular weed smoking. I am a firm believer that weed kills brain cells. Unless, weed attracts the majority of lazy, morons.
There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...
Nothing..
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There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...
Nothing..
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But what makes you garner such conviction behind this stance of yours? Is it a gut feeling or do you have actual proof of said claims?You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.
I am from the school of thought that believes that unless you have proof in order to substantiate your claims, everything else is just bullshit.
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You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.
What about lungs?
Correlation doesn't equal causation. There are a lot of schmoes that hang out on bodybuilding boards... but just because a brother wants to see some nice shredded hams and glutes, doesn't mean he's a schmoe!!! ;D
You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.
One, give me a break. I thought you of all people would not be caught up in this. Weed is an addiction like everything else. It is harmful smoke inhaled into the lungs (at the very least).
There doesn't need to be any studies. Mankind (throughout history) has been addicted to drugs.
Drugs are never good.
I can only base my statements off of peer-reviewed literature that has been conducted by scientists, doctors and psychologists.Lol..... It probably helped. Drugs help bring the moron out in people. If you are smart, then you can learn to cope.
Most people I run into who are habitual alcohol users are thieves, murderers and Satan worshipers, but I doubt that alcohol made them do it.
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Lol..... It probably helped. Drugs help bring the moron out in people. If you are smart, then you can learn to cope.
You are worried about your nephew. Don't worry, most people eventually stop smoking weed after a certain age/point in life.
Studies suggest otherwise...Really? Because people continue to smoke weed why? It is an addictive substance. After prolonged use, the body craves "the feeling".
If we don't conduct controlled studies, we are truly incapable of deciphering how well medications work (or don't work), how harmful certain drugs are or the long term effects of various forms of therapies (both pharmaceutical based and behavioral).
Everything else is, how do we say, Broscience...
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The last couple posts seen of yours have been about 'shredded glutes'
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Something on your mind?
;D
Really? Because people continue to smoke weed why? It is an addictive substance. After prolonged use, the body craves "the feeling".
Have you ever taken an addictive substance? (I am fairly sure you take steroids) Stop taking steroids right now then! Are you hesitant?
I've never taken steroids.Fair enough. But your nephew is still addicted to weed. There is no way around that. Ask yourself this: What benefits can someone have for being dependent on a certain substance? Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad.
Why would I?
I don't compete. I am in my late 40's and I'm not doing anything which requires performance enhancement.
Besides, cancer is hereditary in many forms and I know (based off peer-reviewed studies) that the use of steroids can accelerate the growth of cancer cells in those individuals that are genetically predisposed to developing cancer.
A big "no no" for me..
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"I’ve never met a person who smokes marijuana every day who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking less (and I’ve never met someone who has never tried it who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking more)."
- Sam Harris
Every intelligent weed smoker will acknowledges that it can have negative effects too. Tons of people will testify to having developed anxiety, paranoia etc after years of heavy smoking. Even Wiggs acknowledged that it probably exacerbated some paranoid tendencies.
Addiction is addiction. For all of my fake-ass bravado, I can't shake alcohol. It is part of my daily routine at this point. Make no mistake One, your nephew is addicted. Nothing good can come of it.
lol it's not addictive in the least, bro. Move to British Columbia Canada where everyone and their mother (not an exaggeration) smoke weed. I've smoked with lawyers, university professors, doctors, etc. There is no physical addiction. You can smoke an ounce a day and stop smoking cold turkey. Absolutely nothing will happen, other than you may be bored due to a change in your daily habit.Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttt!!!!! Maybe certain people have the (stop cold turkey gene) most people struggle with addiction. Weed, is most certainly an addiction.
Fair enough. But your nephew is still addicted to weed. There is no way around that. Ask yourself this: What benefits can someone have for being dependent on a certain substance? Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad.
Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad
How couldn't smoke inhalation have no adverse effects on the body?
???
What is the difference between inhaling smoke and vaporizers?
The group in the 'smoke' category seem to be more prone to 'complications', where as vaporizers not so much.
Same goes for those breathing in smoke second hand, versus those who sit inside a sauna or steam room.
Yes, its 'apples and oranges', but the lung is an 'air filter', and smoking is harmful in one way, or another.
As far as smoking marijuana and the relationship to lung cancer - the link may not be there for doctors (yet), but the lung is adversely affected when it is subjected to smoke.
Well, that is clearly wrong my dear Shizzo..You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".
What do you say to the Schizophrenic that suffers from Hallucinations prompting him to kill others, who just so happens to take a little Seroquel in order to reduce the occurrence of psychotic episodes?
What do you say to the chronically depressed individual who has suicidal ideations, who just so happens to take a little Paxil or Zoloft in order to enhance their mood, change their state of mind and prompt them to put the gun down?
What do you say to the individual that suffers from chronic generalized anxiety disorders, who isn't capable of getting sleep due to severe anxiety, has experienced a complete compromise in their ability to cope with life or take part in activities of daily living WHO happens to take a little Klonopin to place him/her at ease?
What do you say to the individual who suffers from Obsessive compulsive disorder that can not stop washing their hands incessantly throughout the day who happens to take a little... YOU GET MY POINT, DON'T YOU?
Would you still stand by your claim that,
..or have you reconsidered?
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You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".
I don't think anyone believes it's harmless. If they do, they're a dolt. But it's not going to cause lung cancer. There were previous studies that concluded that it led to lung cancer, but when the study was picked apart they had extremely shitty controls and basically everyone also smoked cigarettes.Onemorerep might. :-\
NIDA and other bias organizations have a bottle neck on the scientific research community. I guarantee that if they used my weed for their studies and used ONLY pot smokers and than people who don't smoke, they'd find no one developing lung cancer. I know harrrrrdddcooooreee stoners who have not a single talent other than decimating bags of weed like some sort of human smoke stack and none of them have any form of cancer.
I may be incorrect too, but IIRC there was a study with better controls and the people that smoked marijuana and cigarettes had a lower number of lung cancer developments than the smokers alone but I don't know where I read this. Most of these studies are piss poor, use shitty controls and too few subjects to really draw any credible conclusions. Even if the studies turned out saying it's bad, I really wish there were better ones out there.
C'mon man, now you're just blatantly trolling without any creativity or anything.No way. I am 1000% serious. This isn't a joke. I think One has clouded judgement.
No way. I am 1000% serious. This isn't a joke. I think One has clouded judgement.
He's never said it's entirely harmless. It's just far from the designation of being a schedule 1 narcotic. According to the US government, it's safer and/or more beneficial to buck a rail of cocaine than it is to smoke a joint. That doesn't sound right to me. We need to call a spade a spade because lying either way is not going to help.I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.
I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.
Ever heard of water poisoning?
I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.
Ever heard of water poisoning?
You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".
I'll give you a couple and you decide whether they are worthy benefits that might justify the use in healthy individuals:What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.
It both inhibits tumor growth and kills cancer cells (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Remember, you can appear relatively healthy, even with normal bloodwork values and still have cancerous cells growing in your body.
It works wonders for headaches and migraines (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). What would you rather use for migraines, an over-the-counter NSAID like said Advil, whose prolong use can cause kidney failure, gastric ulcers and bleeding disorders due to a compromise in platelet aggregation or a little harmless marijuana?
It helps to treat symptoms caused by Pre-Menstrual syndrome (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, what would you much rather have your woman use for symptomatic relief an NSAID which can have terrible adverse effects by way of chronic use or a little Marijuana?
It helps to prevent Alzheimer’s disease (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). You can be completely healthy and develop Alzheimer's disease.
It works wonders for patients with Multiple Sclerosis (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, another disease that occurs to completely healthy individuals.
I can go on, but I think you get the point..
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Shizzo, so far, I've debunked your arguments stating that (A) anything that alters mind/mood is bad & (B) that Marijuana use (in healthy individuals) serves no purpose besides giving the users the dependency to have the "feeling".Then I will no longer post in this thread. Is this for views? Why are you trying to "one-up" me? I care about you, and the things that happen in your life. This isn't about who wins.
These are not feelings I have on this matter. Instead, these are facts based off of studies that justify these claims.
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What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.
What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.
I presume you've attended a University before with a rigorous program of study. In light of this assumption, I can further assume that you've spent endless nights at the library doing what college students gracefully call "all nighters". Furthermore, I can assume that you've experienced bad insomnia, constant headaches or migraines due to trying to maintain focus/concentration on any subject matter past 6-8 hours.One, You are an awesome uncle.
For these "ailments" he has employed the use of Marijuana and found much success.
He has found a solution to his insomnia.
He has treated the constant migraines he would experience after a week of exhaustive study.
He has found a way to reduce his anxiety the night prior to a test.
These are all symptoms we would endure if placed under similar forms of stress.
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Then I will no longer post in this thread. Is this for views? Why are you trying to "one-up" me? I care about you, and the things that happen in your life. This isn't about who wins.
One, You are an awesome uncle.
That's an irrational response to a simple post that summarizes the progression of events in this thread.Scalp time.
Gather yourself and realize that this isn't a contest to determine "who has the largest cerebral cortex". Instead, it is an open forum to discuss the nature of this age old conundrum.
I am as much in the dark as anyone else as to why someone would start to use Marijuana. What I am trying to do is both come to terms with what propels others and also find the benefits to its use.
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Scalp time.
I say that because I've met people who have both never tried, nor would ever care to try Marijuana.I can say the same thing about booze. This is your brain on............. any questions?
In the same light, I've met people that have been relatively healthy on all fronts (both physically and mentally), who have started to use Marijuana and found that the effects of the substance has only helped but to amplify their appreciation of life in a way that has not been detrimental in any scope or fashion.
I am curious as to the dynamics involved behind it all. Answers to everything I do not have, but the things I have read and found based off of studies are very promising to say the least.
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I can say the same thing about booze. This is your brain on............. any questions?
Only difference is that when it comes to alcohol (as opposed to Marijuana), the following detrimental effects have been linked to its use by way of studies and patient mortality:Has there been any medical alcohol studies? No. Alcohol is legal in the U.S. Weed is not. Weed brings controversy/money. Weed brings in far more money as an illegal drug. Do you believe everything that you read?
Liver cirrhosis
Brain damage
Oropharyngeal cancer
Pancreatic Cancer
Esophageal cancer
Gastritis
Hepatitis
Colon cancer
Cardiovascular disease
Myocardial Infarct (Heart Attack)
Cardiomyopathy
Stroke
Dementia
Neuropathy
Hypertension
Gastric Ulcers
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There are way more as well, but you get my point.
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Has there been any medical alcohol studies? No. Alcohol is legal in the U.S. Weed is not. Weed brings controversy/money. Weed brings in far more money as an illegal drug. Do you believe everything that you read?
Cswol might be right.
Really?So are you going to say that (you know for a fact) that alcohol is more harmful than weed? What longterm studies have you come up with?
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In the same light, I've met people that have been relatively healthy on all fronts (both physically and mentally), who have started to use Marijuana and found that the effects of the substance has only helped but to amplify their appreciation of life in a way that has not been detrimental in any scope or fashion.
You don't smoke at all do you? I think you said you tried it in your youth? Why not try it for a month now that you're older and mature and report your impressions for us? How it affects your mindstate, mood, whether you start believing in conspiracies etc. :D
A few puffs every night after work. :D
You just stated that there have not been any medical alcohol studies...I treat alcohol studies like I do for weed. It's all subjective.
Have you ever even researched that claim?
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One, you are being delusional. Family does not equal facts. You are judging based on emotions.
Shizzo,Why is Marijuana illegal then? Alcohol = legal.
I have read the vast majority of studies conducted on Marijuana. I have also researched extensively the studies done on Alcohol use.
Every single scientist, doctor and/or psychologist WILL tell you that the effects of alcohol on any human being are exponentially worse than the effects of Marijuana use.
Come on man, if you're going to debate something, at the very least do a little research..
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Why is Marijuana illegal then? Alcohol = legal.
Come on man, seriously?So you admit defeat?
I will let someone else answer that extensively, because at this point my finger tips are getting calloused.
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So you admit defeat?
I am not going to type up an entire history lesson as to why Alcohol was made legal, after an era of prohibition, due to large infusions of money and the ever-present pressures by way of lobbyists in Washington, just because you aren't familiar with history AND, in return, only to get a ONE sentence response from you..Oh really? Maybe you should check my history thread on the general topics board. One, this is a blatant attempt to justify a family members actions. We get that you are biased (and worried) but he is still an addict.
Trolling is an art, but it should not be abused..
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i don't understand the point of this thread.yet, I always wondered why a lot of them have guts...spare tires, etc.
he's east indian
east indians are vegetarians.
i see no problem with them smoking a vegetable wrapped in paper.
yet, I always wondered why a lot of them have guts...spare tires, etc.
Maybe from dairy.
They drink tons of dud. It's not unusual to see them at Costco buying 8 jugs of milk at a time. My best bud's parents got a damn dud fridge in their basement lol ;DPacific Islanders have been getting Type 2 diabetes for a long while...
As for the spare tires, they're not used to Western food at all. Type II diabetes is rampant in South Asians in North America. The food we serve here is utter shit and for whatever reason they seem to gravitate towards it and simply can't handle it. Other Asians like orientals and Pacific Islanders are starting to get T2DM as well. It's pretty sad. North America is the land of gluttony and destruction.
Pacific Islanders have been getting Type 2 diabetes for a long while...
And you are right, America is the land of gluttony, destruction and greed.
Pacific Islanders have been getting Type 2 diabetes for a long while...
And you are right, America is the land of gluttony, destruction and greed.
Maybe from dairy.a lot of native Indians have spare tires, guts...just out of shape...and even many of the so called yogis have guts...
Especially on "American" Samoa ;)people who celebrate being big, who for thousands of yrs ate a carb rich diet, and eat an American diet full of protein and fat, and carbs...go figure.
I presume you've attended a University before with a rigorous program of study. In light of this assumption, I can further assume that you've spent endless nights at the library doing what college students gracefully call "all nighters". Furthermore, I can assume that you've experienced bad insomnia, constant headaches or migraines due to trying to maintain focus/concentration on any subject matter past 6-8 hours.
For these "ailments" he has employed the use of Marijuana and found much success.
He has found a solution to his insomnia.
He has treated the constant migraines he would experience after a week of exhaustive study.
He has found a way to reduce his anxiety the night prior to a test.
These are all symptoms we would endure if placed under similar forms of stress.
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Does your nephew suffer from generalized anxiety or test anxiety?I used to have test anxiety...never occurred to use Mary Jane to quell it.
Does your nephew suffer from generalized anxiety or test anxiety?
He suffers from generalized anxiety disorder, which in turn makes him have test anxiety, as well as anxiety regarding any other major events in his life.
I've always said he was a worry wart and, unfortunately, has never found solace by way of working out or sports.
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