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with a small gym attached?
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You mean with space for cardio equipment and weights on the side?
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You mean with space for cardio equipment and weights on the side?
yes, also ceiling height requirement
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yes, also ceiling height requirement
Ceiling height is dependent on if you are doing rope climbs also...
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One room 6 x 6 with mirrors floor to ceiling should be sufficient for these 'enthusiasts'. As long as they have enough space to pat eachother on the back and look in the mirror you should be good to go.
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Serious question
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Serious question
It depends on what you want to do, so it can't really be answered. Like the first respondent said, if you plan to do rope climbs, you are gonna need 20' ceilings. I have roughly a 15' x 15' space in my basement and I can get most crossfitty things done. I have to be careful with the pull up bar that I don't smash my head on the ceiling.
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I'm buying a 12500 ft strip center empty
I want to develop and sell a hybrid crossfit weight fitness gym
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Minimum sq ft required?
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That sounds more than sufficient. What kind of hybrid are you thinking about? My friend Shane Sweatt and his wife Laura have grafted Louis Simmons' Westside "Conjugate" powerlifting method onto Crossfit.
http://www.crossfitconjugate.com/
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I'm buying a 12500 ft strip center empty
I want to develop and sell a hybrid crossfit weight fitness gym
where do you live in the poconos? my brother, sister and mother all left LI about 8 years ago and bought huge houses up there. Whole freaking family migrated.
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That sounds more than sufficient. What kind of hybrid are you thinking about? My friend Shane Sweatt and his wife Laura have grafted Louis Simmons' Westside "Conjugate" powerlifting method onto Crossfit.
http://www.crossfitconjugate.com/
funny that they don't credit chris mason for this, considering he's the one who came up with it.
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One room 6 x 6 with mirrors floor to ceiling should be sufficient for these 'enthusiasts'. As long as they have enough space to pat eachother on the back and look in the mirror you should be good to go.
I would say just a bit bigger than that so they have room to stagger around trying to lift weights that are far too heavy for them.
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Zero sq ft would work just fine for a crossfit.
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1500 sq ft store front is fine.. and usually tall enough for rope climbs.
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where do you live in the poconos? my brother, sister and mother all left LI about 8 years ago and bought huge houses up there. Whole freaking family migrated.
I moved south after I got out of the army in 96 first to Jacksonville FL. I am in North Georgia Lake Lanier area now....,,and till the grave.
I lived in Mount Pocono not far from Camelback
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I was thinking 4500 sq ft 3000 for standard gym and fitness area and 1500 crossfit
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One room 6 x 6 with mirrors floor to ceiling should be sufficient for these 'enthusiasts'. As long as they have enough space to pat eachother on the back and look in the mirror you should be good to go.
LOL this
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There are some people here that were running out of strip mall. They were making enough to move out and build a crazy nice place in a cheap spot. Completely brand new, garage door and all. Don't know about the tires being new. ;D
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This develop for sale so I am just now starting research
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60% of Crossfit gyms are #2000 or under, the original one was a bit over #2000. The larger ones are #4500 - 5000, and the very largest are #10000 or over.
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I was thinking 4500 sq ft 3000 for standard gym and fitness area and 1500 crossfit
I have about 12500 for standard gym and 1200 for crossfit.
if just doing crossfit or functional cross training, i'd just have a 1200 sq foot storefront. put mirrors on all the walls, rubber flooring, a stip of turf to push/pull sleds, pullup bars/1/2 racks built off the walls, ect...
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Zero sq ft would work just fine for a crossfit.
Wow, another fine response from you Joe.
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Zero sq ft would work just fine for a crossfit.
these are cash-cows. it's hard to turn a profit in a regular gym just selling memberships to cover overhead, and your PT sales are the gravy/profit.
reg gym = 10k ft at least, plus equipment that runs 200k min (lease or finance), plus your electric and water and insurance. you're lookin at least 60k/month overhead. charge 20-30$/month
crossfit gym = 1-2k ft.. as low as $.40/sq foot rent. 4 cages, 8 bars, plates ect... you can equip a crossfit place for less than 15k and just pay a couple instructors. charge 100-150$/month
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Forget the Crossfit gym. Just build a sports rehab clinic near a group of cross fit gyms. Serious answer, check the top crossfit gyms on youtube.
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We looked at physical therapy too many hoops to jump through
We looked at fitness only..........meh
And some other options. We estimated construction and equipment to run 150K
Keep in mind this is build for resale
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Forget the Crossfit gym. Just build a sports rehab clinic near a group of cross fit gyms. Serious answer, check the top crossfit gyms on youtube.
Yeah, because hiring PT's, nurse practitioner, MD, Chiro, equipment, documentation and billing ERA software, etc, ect....that won't be very expensive at all.
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Forget the Crossfit gym. Just build a sports rehab clinic near a group of cross fit gyms. Serious answer, check the top crossfit gyms on youtube.
This.
For the new "hardcore" trainers.
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Hmmmm...
Crossfit = Rhabdo Clown
Rhabdomyolysis. No laughing matter. Can't wait til Crossfit takes a hike... forever.
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Hmmmm...
Crossfit = Rhabdo Clown
Rhabdomyolysis. No laughing matter. Can't wait til Crossfit takes a hike... forever.
never happen. it'll evolve, that's it. making toooo much money.
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Hmmmm...
Crossfit = Rhabdo Clown
Rhabdomyolysis. No laughing matter. Can't wait til Crossfit takes a hike... forever.
::) The dreaded Rhabdo....
How many pec tears from powerlifting? Rotator tears from Monday chest day bodybuilders?
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::) The dreaded Rhabdo....
How many pec tears from powerlifting? Rotator tears from Monday chest day bodybuilders?
Now I have to move chest day..... Damn
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these are cash-cows. it's hard to turn a profit in a regular gym just selling memberships to cover overhead, and your PT sales are the gravy/profit.
reg gym = 10k ft at least, plus equipment that runs 200k min (lease or finance), plus your electric and water and insurance. you're lookin at least 60k/month overhead. charge 20-30$/month
crossfit gym = 1-2k ft.. as low as $.40/sq foot rent. 4 cages, 8 bars, plates ect... you can equip a crossfit place for less than 15k and just pay a couple instructors. charge 100-150$/month
Yeah, I get that. I just can't think of anyone I know or have came across that has not walked out without an injury. You have tons of people dropping out because of that. People are starting to catch.on and its reputation is going to be their demise. Mark my words.
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::) The dreaded Rhabdo....
How many pec tears from powerlifting? Rotator tears from Monday chest day bodybuilders?
Thats so irrelevant it isn't even funny. Powerlifters know what they're getting themselves into and understand the risks and programs are solid. The average person coming off the street has NO CLUE on what they're getting themselves into. Crossfit states that its for everyone, horseshit.
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Thats so irrelevant it isn't even funny. Powerlifters know what they're getting themselves into and understand the risks and programs are solid. The average person coming off the street has NO CLUE on what they're getting themselves into. Crossfit states that its for everyone, horseshit.
irresponsible boxes say that. CF is designed to be an elite training system for people capable of things like pistols, CTB pullups, heavy olympic lifts and quick sprints. by design it is NOT an "everyone come in" kind of thing. years and years ago when i first got into it before it was a big fad, they said outright that if you can't hit baseline on X, Y, and Z movements, just don't follow the WODs.
the issue isn't CF itself, it's that it got too big for its own good and turned into a brand name business. the country's flooded with "boxes" now that exist mostly because they paid to be, even though their "coaches" did nothing beyond getting their L1 cert which is meaningless. stick with programs like mainsite, Outlaw, or Crossfit Football which are designed by people with actual pedigrees and you'll be fine.
what bugs me is that CF is getting people interested in olympic lifting and actual fitness, but people shit on it. glenn pendlay once said that CF was the best thing to happen to the fitness industry because gyms looking to keep up with it now have bumper plates and squat racks. even if you don't like CF itself, isn't that better than gyms full of nautilus machines and swiss balls? ???
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irresponsible boxes say that. CF is designed to be an elite training system for people capable of things like pistols, CTB pullups, heavy olympic lifts and quick sprints. by design it is NOT an "everyone come in" kind of thing. years and years ago when i first got into it before it was a big fad, they said outright that if you can't hit baseline on X, Y, and Z movements, just don't follow the WODs.
the issue isn't CF itself, it's that it got too big for its own good and turned into a brand name business. the country's flooded with "boxes" now that exist mostly because they paid to be, even though their "coaches" did nothing beyond getting their L1 cert which is meaningless. stick with programs like mainsite, Outlaw, or Crossfit Football which are designed by people with actual pedigrees and you'll be fine.
what bugs me is that CF is getting people interested in olympic lifting and actual fitness, but people shit on it. glenn pendlay once said that CF was the best thing to happen to the fitness industry because gyms looking to keep up with it now have bumper plates and squat racks. even if you don't like CF itself, isn't that better than gyms full of nautilus machines and swiss balls? ???
Dude, I've looked into this extensively. There is no "system" its a program of randomness. Ex: o lifts are not meant to be at multiple reps with any weight, you do not pair o lifts with example, a another high intensity exercise then back to another multiple rep olift, even even if you do a low rep o o o lift you do not follow it up with a high intensity exercise. Technique breaks down.
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Dude, I've looked into this extensively. There is no "system" its a program of randomness. Ex: o lifts are not meant to be at multiple reps with any weight, you do not pair o lifts with example, a another high intensity exercise then back to another multiple rep olift, even even if you do a low rep o o o lift you do not follow it up with a high intensity exercise. Technique breaks down.
"extensively" in this case = read articles by people who complain about CF. yes. we've all seen them.
what you, and they, are missing is that technique doesn't break down any more than other lifts. olympic lifts aren't some magical exercise that makes technique break down more than others. no one seems to have a problem with widowmaker squat sets, and yet i've never seen a single set of those where technique didn't turn disastrous after rep 12.
the difference is that you see people trying to pull off Grace as RX'd when their max C&J is 185. the high rep Oly workouts are intended to be done with a weight that's light enough that it's a SPEED movement. watch this:
where in that video is his technique collapsing and turning dangerous? oh right, it doesn't.
at high reps, every exercise has potential for technique breakdown. cleans aren't more prone to it than anything else. period.
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"extensively" in this case = read articles by people who complain about CF. yes. we've all seen them.
what you, and they, are missing is that technique doesn't break down any more than other lifts. olympic lifts aren't some magical exercise that makes technique break down more than others. no one seems to have a problem with widowmaker squat sets, and yet i've never seen a single set of those where technique didn't turn disastrous after rep 12.
the difference is that you see people trying to pull off Grace as RX'd when their max C&J is 185. the high rep Oly workouts are intended to be done with a weight that's light enough that it's a SPEED movement. watch this:
where in that video is his technique collapsing and turning dangerous? oh right, it doesn't.
at high reps, every exercise has potential for technique breakdown. cleans aren't more prone to it than anything else. period.
Yeah but the REALITY is that. Most CF gyns are staffed by barely competent instructors. .. and people are getting hurt. Nobody is just making it up.
That's a very nice video you posted of an in-shape person doing it right...most people aren't that guy.
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Yeah but the REALITY is that. Most CF gyns are staffed by barely competent instructors. .. and people are getting hurt. Nobody is just making it up.
That's a very nice video you posted of an in-shape person doing it right...most people aren't that guy.
Nobody cares to learn the form behind the Crossfit exercises, most of which involve using body motion and a bit of swinging the weight, or body weight around.
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Nobody cares to learn the form behind the Crossfit exercises, most of which involve using body motion and a bit of swinging the weight, or body weight around.
I'm a huge bodybuilder. ..crossfit can suck my dick.
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Thats so irrelevant it isn't even funny. Powerlifters know what they're getting themselves into and understand the risks and programs are solid. The average person coming off the street has NO CLUE on what they're getting themselves into. Crossfit states that its for everyone, horseshit.
FFS Joe...like the average person coming into a gym that wants to be a bodybuilder has any clue? You are saying a powerlifter knows what they are getting into and yet you use an average person for CF. Nice apples to oranges comparison. I know what I am getting into with attempting to make the games next year. I know the risks and have programming in place. You live with these rose colored glasses thinking that people are dropping like flies with CF. You don't have the slightest clue how many people have hurt their shoulders, knees, or lower backs working out at a gym 'coventional' style. Ask yourself how many guys you know that won't squat anymore because they 'fucked their low backs up the last time'. Or even the same could be said with deadlifting. How many retards do you see in the gym doing it wrong? I would say 60 - 70% of the people do them wrong.
Prove to me why CF isn't for everyone. Make a valid, educated response that isn't laced with passive aggressive statements. I bet you can't. By the way, I could say that bodybuilding and powerlifting isn't for everyone. I could also say it is.
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Yeah but the REALITY is that. Most CF gyns are staffed by barely competent instructors. .. and people are getting hurt. Nobody is just making it up.
That's a very nice video you posted of an in-shape person doing it right...most people aren't that guy.
tell me how this is different than the incompetent trainers at most commercial gyms? again, you can't malign the sport because of people doing it WRONG. it's like judging bodybuilding by permabulkers or under armor wearing "arms every day" lifters, or powerlifters by the 450 pound land-whales struggling to bench 315.
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tell me how this is different than the incompetent trainers at most commercial gyms? again, you can't malign the sport because of people doing it WRONG. it's like judging bodybuilding by permabulkers or under armor wearing "arms every day" lifters, or powerlifters by the 450 pound land-whales struggling to bench 315.
Because crossfit incorporates a lot of ballistic movements. And the mentality is to "kill it" which inexperienced trainers and newbies get caught up in....I call it enthusiasm outstrpping your ability.
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Because crossfit incorporates a lot of ballistic movements. And the mentality is to "kill it" which inexperienced trainers and newbies get caught up in....I call it enthusiasm outstrpping your ability.
which is a problem, but no more prevalent than "bodybuilding" and "powerlifting" newbies and inexperienced trainers who get caught up in "go heavy or go home" and wreck their joints.
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which is a problem, but no more prevalent than "bodybuilding" and "powerlifting" newbies and inexperienced trainers who get caught up in "go heavy or go home" and wreck their joints.
Nah....inexperienced lifters get severe DOMS and are fine after 4 days. We've all been there. By the time you are wrecking your joints you know exactly what you are doing to yourself.
Cfers get ran over by cars
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Would a 6000 sq ft with 4000 regular and 2000 sq ft custom for crossfit be better? Could a gym like this afford a 5000 per month rent?
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Would a 6000 sq ft with 4000 regular and 2000 sq ft custom for crossfit be better? Could a gym like this afford a 5000 per month rent?
I'm a BBer to the core. And if I were investing money in a fitness facility, it would be a training studio and not a conventional gym. Way too much overhead, too hard to turn a profit
I'd go 50-50 or skew it towards the studio. I love BBing....but money is money.
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Would a 6000 sq ft with 4000 regular and 2000 sq ft custom for crossfit be better? Could a gym like this afford a 5000 per month rent?
Are you in the city? Do you have a following of clients? Is the market saturated with other gyms? What's your expected rate of penetration into the market? How are you positioning yourself? As a Crossfit gym, a health and fitness center, or a hardcore athletes facility?
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Good location, building to sell....markets fine, enough rooftops. I'm not looking for input on feasibility or market study.
I simply want to know, if anyone has owned one, sold one and optimal size and use....obviously women and crossfit are my biggest target customers....
But my biggest target is the investor who will buy said gym....
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Good location, building to sell....markets fine, enough rooftops. I'm not looking for input on feasibility or market study.
I simply want to know, if anyone has owned one, sold one and optimal size and use....obviously women and crossfit are my biggest target customers....
But my biggest target is the investor who will buy said gym....
It's not a gym until it has members. .. if someone has the money to buy yours why not just build it themselves
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"extensively" in this case = read articles by people who complain about CF. yes. we've all seen them.
what you, and they, are missing is that technique doesn't break down any more than other lifts. olympic lifts aren't some magical exercise that makes technique break down more than others. no one seems to have a problem with widowmaker squat sets, and yet i've never seen a single set of those where technique didn't turn disastrous after rep 12.
the difference is that you see people trying to pull off Grace as RX'd when their max C&J is 185. the high rep Oly workouts are intended to be done with a weight that's light enough that it's a SPEED movement. watch this:
where in that video is his technique collapsing and turning dangerous? oh right, it doesn't.
at high reps, every exercise has potential for technique breakdown. cleans aren't more prone to it than anything else. period.
"Extensively" knowing the bodies three energy systems and how it pertains to the CNS and CNS breakdown. Knowing where to program a specific lift in programming a routine. Knowing what that particular exercise does and why it's in the exercise order it belongs, knowing how to program a rep scheme and WHY it SHOULD be done as the bodies energy systems dictate. Reading case studies specifically CF related, reading about the ER entries that are CF related not with just rhabdomyolysis but other injuries that are either soft-tissue or orthopedic related. Reading opinions from quaified reputable and professional strength coaches. Yes, extensive indeed!
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"extensively" in this case = read articles by people who complain about CF. yes. we've all seen them.
what you, and they, are missing is that technique doesn't break down any more than other lifts. olympic lifts aren't some magical exercise that makes technique break down more than others. no one seems to have a problem with widowmaker squat sets, and yet i've never seen a single set of those where technique didn't turn disastrous after rep 12.
the difference is that you see people trying to pull off Grace as RX'd when their max C&J is 185. the high rep Oly workouts are intended to be done with a weight that's light enough that it's a SPEED movement. watch this:
where in that video is his technique collapsing and turning dangerous? oh right, it doesn't.
at high reps, every exercise has potential for technique breakdown. cleans aren't more prone to it than anything else. period.
That's not an O-lift, it's a barbell complex.
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It's not a gym until it has members. .. if someone has the money to buy yours why not just build it themselves
Most people are lazy.....and won't chew until you put food in their mouth.
Spec store/business development is designed for turn key investors.
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Most people are lazy.....and won't chew until you put food in their mouth.
Spec store/business development is designed for turn key investors.
I know what it is. ...I just don't know of many gyms that were started like that.
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I know what it is. ...I just don't know of many gyms that were started like that.
I have done a lot of similar projects....but not a gym, yet
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::) The dreaded Rhabdo....
How many pec tears from powerlifting? Rotator tears from Monday chest day bodybuilders?
Not the same my friend. Not at all.
I had a very close relative end up in the hospital on an I.V drip for 5 days.
Seriously, to compare the anatomical perspective of a pec tear to the philosophy of Crossfit?
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FFS Joe...like the average person coming into a gym that wants to be a bodybuilder has any clue? You are saying a powerlifter knows what they are getting into and yet you use an average person for CF. Nice apples to oranges comparison. I know what I am getting into with attempting to make the games next year. I know the risks and have programming in place. You live with these rose colored glasses thinking that people are dropping like flies with CF. You don't have the slightest clue how many people have hurt their shoulders, knees, or lower backs working out at a gym 'coventional' style. Ask yourself how many guys you know that won't squat anymore because they 'fucked their low backs up the last time'. Or even the same could be said with deadlifting. How many retards do you see in the gym doing it wrong? I would say 60 - 70% of the people do them wrong.
Prove to me why CF isn't for everyone. Make a valid, educated response that isn't laced with passive aggressive statements. I bet you can't. By the way, I could say that bodybuilding and powerlifting isn't for everyone. I could also say it is.
Lets start with the main lifts...olympic lifts (Clean, snatch, clean and jerk and all of those lifts variations) Very technical lifts wouldn't you agree? You're a Chiro so you would also agree that No one person is built like another, everyone is different. When we test on the FMS (functional movement screen) one of the tests is an overhead head squat which as you should know when in the bottom squat position is a "snatch balance". Most non-athletic people can't squat, meaning there is usually an anterior pelvic tilt that forces the knees to come over the toes forcing the heals to come up instead of falling back and pushing through the heels. We go through four solid weeks with just bar or PVC before they even attempt a loaded lift. in eastern block countries, it's just the bar for about a year before loading.
Now lets take and have them hold a piece of 7ft x 1' OD PVC with a snatch grip, arms extended, head in front of the PVC. Have them do the overhead squat with the snatch grip and squat. What happens? Arm are no longer externally rotated and the load shifts forward, heals come up even worse and they fall off balance. We can usually correct the heel problem by placing a 2x4 or a couple of 10lb plates under the heels, unless they have very limited dorsiflexion, that part can be corrected. As for the arms no longer being externally rotated on the decent, could be a number of things, tight thoracic, tight hip rotators?
The problem with crossfit is, they DO NOT assess anything, nothing for asymmetries, no muscle testing, nothing.
This post was just the start.
Crossfit is for everyone? What about stenosis with degeneration or spondylosis? who the fuck would be dumb enough to load a spine with a diagnosis like that? I don't even know if CF does anykind of health history before starting. What about "drop-ins'? You take someone in on a drop in that doesn't know his/her ass from a hole in the ground, gets hurt, then what??
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Our Crossfit "instructors" left our gym.
They didn't like the fact that I insisted that anyone who join the class had to be assessed not only by myself, but also by their doctor or medical health provider.
Too much of a liability to have "trainers" with the Crossfit attitude in a gym.
Like I said, take a guy who has been driving a Mitsubishi Mirage for the last ten years and hand him a Corvette Z06. Tell him that the only way he can have the car is to put the pedal to the metal.
Where do you think he will end up?
Why is it that whenever Louis Simmons gives seminars now all you see are the Crossfit instructors? And Louis has now dumped his longtime philosophy on periodization (can you say "two broken backs?") and now uses the term "Conjugation?"
Coach, I gotta agree with you. Don't even get me started ~
Too many "know-it-alls" out there. And the thing of it is, I may sound like I know it all too, but I am continually studying (and will continue to do so) and I will be the first to admit when I don't know something.
Fitness is NOT objective. It is entirely subjective. Simple case and point: Arnold vs. Mentzer on Philosophy.
The subjectivity alone automatically defaults Crossfitters into a "one size DOES NOT fit all" category, and they do not accept this, which in my estimation is a flagrant display of ignorance and a total disregard for one's safety.
Stepping down off of my podium momentarily...
while you stay safe.
BTW, while you guys are at it, Google "Crossfit and Lawsuits" and see what you get. When you are done do the same with "Crossfit and Rhabdo" and then STFU for a while and think.
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okkk..
from a business standpoint, your goal when opening a 'gym' is to at some point sell it. Anybody who's been in the industry for any amount of time and has attended weekend training seminars/summits (industry seminars, not certification seminars), such as the ones put on by PerformBetter, will know that shit is drilled into your heads. The goal is to build the business and SELL. Because the buyer isn't simply buying 200k worth of assets (weights & machines), they're buying the name/image/brand, and most importantly, the memberships/contracts. That's why a guy can buy all his own equipment and start a gym for 300k, OR buy an established gym for 600K.
all these scare-stories with cf almost killing people are just that, scare stories. I'm a bodybuilder, always have been. But as a trainer, if I were to rely on bodybuilding to pay the bills, I wouldn't make any money because one-on-one training is a dying business. CF... hell, I have groups of 47-61yr old ladies doing 'functional cross training', they call 'crossfit'. Do I have them doing walking lunges with 135 across their backs, slaming their kneecaps into the ground? No. Do I have them doing doing snatches? No. There's a ton of shit I don't have them do... it's up to the trainer to make modifications for each client, because an injured client won't FUCKING PAY. So if all the trainer want's is to be hardcore and push radical new workouts and an unsustainable pace, he's gonna BE FUCKING BROKE.
I've NEVER had a client have rhabdo... and I routinely train in 120deg weather.
crossfit isn't going anywhere. even if you don't pay to use the crossfit name, the training studio with group training is where you're gonna make money. doing old school personal training you're limited to 1 client per 30mins or 60 mins... that's 16 clients back to back if you do 8hrs straight, or 8 clients back to back for 8hrs straight... after 5, your 'performance' as a trainer suffers, and you're capped at 480/day that's IF... a big fucking IF... you book 8hrs/day straight of training, which even in busy season never happens. Of, you can have reccurent/contract billing for 70 people at 130/month and pull in 10k/month and run 4-6 "classes" per day. (that's 10k/month when you're overhead is maybe 3k)
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Good post ES..
I suppose this is more about the trainers and the name "Crossfit" than the actual safety, understanding and knowledge of physiology, kinesiology, anatomy, assessment and actual passion for what you do as a trainer.
Good points made, but you have to admit, there are a lot of guys out there that should not be training, especially in Crossfit. You should be a highly advanced and knowledgeable trainer who always has a careful, observant eye on your clients.
Crossfit is not all bad, but it is still highly subjective for too many reasons. You are right, it's not going anywhere soon (I recant previous statement in previous posts) but it will definitely evolve once the injuries from the jackass trainers who are out for a fast buck start manifesting themselves across the airwaves.
As it stands right now, Crossfit is dynamic and it will evolve much like the very first UFC fight that had a "No holds barred" attitude. Now it is flooded with rules and regulations. Why?
injuries and liabilities.
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okkk..
from a business standpoint, your goal when opening a 'gym' is to at some point sell it. Anybody who's been in the industry for any amount of time and has attended weekend training seminars/summits (industry seminars, not certification seminars), such as the ones put on by PerformBetter, will know that shit is drilled into your heads. The goal is to build the business and SELL. Because the buyer isn't simply buying 200k worth of assets (weights & machines), they're buying the name/image/brand, and most importantly, the memberships/contracts. That's why a guy can buy all his own equipment and start a gym for 300k, OR buy an established gym for 600K.
I'm friends (no, not FB friends) with a lot of the trainers and coaches associated with PB. Boyle is one of my mentors and Dos is a weekend drinking partner sometimes ;D along with Alwyn, Berardi, Winklemen, etc. and tomorrow I'm heading to the PB Summit in Long beach tomorrow and I can tell you that no one in that group would sacrifice their reputation to make a buck from using the CF name. This is one of the things that we disagree with Thomas Plummer on as brilliant as he is.
all these scare-stories with cf almost killing people are just that, scare stories. I'm a bodybuilder, always have been. But as a trainer, if I were to rely on bodybuilding to pay the bills, I wouldn't make any money because one-on-one training is a dying business. CF... hell, I have groups of 47-61yr old ladies doing 'functional cross training', they call 'crossfit'. Do I have them doing walking lunges with 135 across their backs, slaming their kneecaps into the ground? No. Do I have them doing doing snatches? No. There's a ton of shit I don't have them do... it's up to the trainer to make modifications for each client, because an injured client won't FUCKING PAY. So if all the trainer want's is to be hardcore and push radical new workouts and an unsustainable pace, he's gonna BE FUCKING BROKE.
I've NEVER had a client have rhabdo... and I routinely train in 120deg weather.
crossfit isn't going anywhere. even if you don't pay to use the crossfit name, the training studio with group training is where you're gonna make money. doing old school personal training you're limited to 1 client per 30mins or 60 mins... that's 16 clients back to back if you do 8hrs straight, or 8 clients back to back for 8hrs straight... after 5, your 'performance' as a trainer suffers, and you're capped at 480/day that's IF... a big fucking IF... you book 8hrs/day straight of training, which even in busy season never happens. Of, you can have reccurent/contract billing for 70 people at 130/month and pull in 10k/month and run 4-6 "classes" per day. (that's 10k/month when you're overhead is maybe 3k)
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Because crossfit incorporates a lot of ballistic movements. And the mentality is to "kill it" which inexperienced trainers and newbies get caught up in....I call it enthusiasm outstrpping your ability.
How is this different than strong man? Also, have you really taken a look at how some people bench? Bouncing the bar off their chests? Shortening up range of motion on squats and leg presses to the point where if they DID load in a full range they end up hurting themselves? You bring up the inexperienced trainers when Magoo just pointed out how most (if not all) commercial gyms have WAY MORE of these retards than a CF gym. The mentality of 'killing it' is NOT prevalent in all CF gyms. Again, how many times have you seen some trainer getting a super chubby because they destroyed a client. For 12yrs I listened to trainers laugh when they said their clients threw up, couldn't walk the next day, couldn't lift their arms...etc. Oh, and for your info Rhabo isn't something that is strictly for CF people. You would be surprised at how many people get it at commercial gyms.
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How is this different than strong man? Also, have you really taken a look at how some people bench? Bouncing the bar off their chests? Shortening up range of motion on squats and leg presses to the point where if they DID load in a full range they end up hurting themselves? You bring up the inexperienced trainers when Magoo just pointed out how most (if not all) commercial gyms have WAY MORE of these retards than a CF gym. The mentality of 'killing it' is NOT prevalent in all CF gyms. Again, how many times have you seen some trainer getting a super chubby because they destroyed a client. For 12yrs I listened to trainers laugh when they said their clients threw up, couldn't walk the next day, couldn't lift their arms...etc. Oh, and for your info Rhabo isn't something that is strictly for CF people. You would be surprised at how many people get it at commercial gyms.
Because in strongman there is usually progression from other strength sports, like powerlifting. Like anything there is a learning curve but even though there is that learning curve, they have years of training behind them. Try walking into a strongman session with no training experience and see how that works out.
As for the CF games.....90% of those competitors are already athletes experienced in those particular lifts.
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I gotta miss the PF long beach summit this year :-[
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Lets start with the main lifts...olympic lifts (Clean, snatch, clean and jerk and all of those lifts variations) Very technical lifts wouldn't you agree? It would be stupid not to. I would also contend that the squat and deadlift are very technical, maybe not like an olympic lift...but still technical. Would you not agree?
You're a Chiro so you would also agree that No one person is built like another, everyone is different. Again, stupid not to agree
When we test on the FMS (functional movement screen) one of the tests is an overhead head squat which as you should know when in the bottom squat position is a "snatch balance". Most non-athletic people can't squat, meaning there is usually an anterior pelvic tilt that forces the knees to come over the toes forcing the heals to come up instead of falling back and pushing through the heels. So far you have made a point that all clients should go through Functional Testing. Personally I like doing FCE's on people when they come into my clinic. Do you think trainers at Golds, LA Fitness, Lifetime Fitness, etc are performing functional testing on all clients?
We go through four solid weeks with just bar or PVC before they even attempt a loaded lift. in eastern block countries, it's just the bar for about a year before loading. I would contend that the BETTER CF gyms encourage people to go through olympic classes (most of which are about 6 - 8 weeks with bar/PVC
Now lets take and have them hold a piece of 7ft x 1' OD PVC with a snatch grip, arms extended, head in front of the PVC. Have them do the overhead squat with the snatch grip and squat. What happens? Arm are no longer externally rotated and the load shifts forward, heals come up even worse and they fall off balance. We can usually correct the heel problem by placing a 2x4 or a couple of 10lb plates under the heels, unless they have very limited dorsiflexion, that part can be corrected. As for the arms no longer being externally rotated on the decent, could be a number of things, tight thoracic, tight hip rotators? Here is where I vehemently disagree with your protocol of placing a plate under the heel. I contend that you are only encouraging a further tightening/shortening of the achilles tendon (at minimum). There are a number of things that will also come into play besides soft tissue. Do they have any spondylosis of the thoracic spine? Perhaps a base posterior sacrum? Musculo-skeletal is the proper assessment...not just muscular.
The problem with crossfit is, they DO NOT assess anything, nothing for asymmetries, no muscle testing, nothing. Again, do you believe that all trainers are doing this?
This post was just the start.
Crossfit is for everyone? What about stenosis with degeneration or spondylosis? who the fuck would be dumb enough to load a spine with a diagnosis like that? Oh, and only CF people are doing this? Please Joe. This was weak. Downright pathetic. I would point out that stenosis is rarely caused by anything else other than degeneration (be it disc and/or vertebral). If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good? How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)? Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok? You merely pointed out a condition or two that would be contraindicated for lifting. I would say that you look at CF as this 'no modification do it full or don't do it at all' kind of thing. They scale thing like any other lifting style. If someone was missing a leg could they train with CF...sure. Oh, wait..here you will come and tell them they can't. Horseshit. I wish I could copy the video my friend posted from his gym in Phoenix. They had Military vets that had certain limbs missing/damaged and they were training and doing things they could.
I don't even know if CF does any kind of health history before starting. What about "drop-ins'? You take someone in on a drop in that doesn't know his/her ass from a hole in the ground, gets hurt, then what?? Yes, because every time I have visited a gym I have had to fill out a health history. You sign a waiver (like any gym) that you are cleared to work out. Is that the CF gym's fault if someone signs off that they are medically ok to train when they should not be? I have seen plenty more of said people who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground at my local commercial gym than I have seen in a CF gym. Funny thing is that the people in a CF gym sit there and encourage one another and actually build a nice 'community'. When was the last time you say that at some regular gym? Everyone is out for themselves there
You didn't really do a very good job with your explanation...you can try again if you so choose.
Also...please tell me how you came up with the "90% of those athletes" figure. Seriously...of the top ones, there are only a handful with prior olympic lifting experience. Also, those people at the games have done just what you said should be done. They get proper coaching, proper programming, etc, etc.
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Cliff Notes:
Working out can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
There are more poor, inexperienced trainers than there are good, knowledgeable trainers.
CF has injuries.
BB has injuries.
PL has injuries.
OL has injuries.
Running has injuries.
Yoga has injuries.
You sign a waiver when you sign up for training.
Trainers practicing outside their scope are liable.
CF makes a ton of money.
CF re-introduced fitness/gym culture to the 'mainstream' the way bbing did in the 70's.
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The problem is that CF has the highest rate of injury out any fitness program around.
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The problem is that CF has the highest rate of injury out any fitness program around.
Got a chart for that? Were you aware that cheerleading is ranked #1 in 'sports' for head related injuries?
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Got a chart for that? Were you aware that cheerleading is ranked #1 in 'sports' for head related injuries?
I didn't say sports, I said fitness programs.
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Got a chart for that? Were you aware that cheerleading is ranked #1 in 'sports' for head related injuries?
Perhaps those guys and gals should allow more room when they climb under the coaches desk to avoid those "head" injuries.
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That's not an O-lift, it's a barbell complex.
derp, that's how they're done for high reps and speed.
klokov, as in one of the best oly lifters on the planet, has expressed interest in competing in crossfit within the next year or so. maybe you should be the one to explain to him why it's bad. ::)
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I didn't say sports, I said fitness programs.
Well, you failed to address any points I made above. So, why should I be direct?
Lets make a list of "fitness programs"
1) Crossfit
2) Step Aerobics
3) Bodybuilding
4) Pilates
5) Zumba
6) Spin Class
Etc
Etc
Hmmm....you won't provide the source of your information, so I threw that list together. Lets see..comparing CF to other things..yeah, no question the chance of getting injured is higher. Thats like comparing playing football to playing Madden NFL 2014 ::)
Magoo...don't worry, I am sure Joe would have a stern word or two for Klokov if he does.
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it drives me fucking bananas that CF can't be brought up without the usual toolboxes wailing about it.
the funny thing is i don't really even do it now, i just respect the SHIT out of it. currently i'm on an oly strength focus, but i still love following CF.
maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.
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I'm a striated glutes man myself.
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it drives me fucking bananas that CF can't be brought up without the usual toolboxes wailing about it.
the funny thing is i don't really even do it now, i just respect the SHIT out of it. currently i'm on an oly strength focus, but i still love following CF.
maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.
Hey dude, how can i get more peak and separation in my biceps?
Funny thing...you don't see any CFer doning a white towel.
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Hey dude, how can i get more peak and separation in my biceps?
Funny thing...you don't see any CFer doning a white towel.
like... even if people don't think CF is great or get annoyed at the cultish atmosphere it inspires (totally valid), the fact is that it's turned the "fad" into olympic lifting and exercising hard. isn't that GOOD?
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How is this different than strong man? Also, have you really taken a look at how some people bench? Bouncing the bar off their chests? Shortening up range of motion on squats and leg presses to the point where if they DID load in a full range they end up hurting themselves? You bring up the inexperienced trainers when Magoo just pointed out how most (if not all) commercial gyms have WAY MORE of these retards than a CF gym. The mentality of 'killing it' is NOT prevalent in all CF gyms. Again, how many times have you seen some trainer getting a super chubby because they destroyed a client. For 12yrs I listened to trainers laugh when they said their clients threw up, couldn't walk the next day, couldn't lift their arms...etc. Oh, and for your info Rhabo isn't something that is strictly for CF people. You would be surprised at how many people get it at commercial gyms.
I do know that Rhabdo is not limited to Crossfit. Anyone who understands the concept and science behind fitness/bodybuilding/exercise would know this. You could also have a genetic predisposition for it, or possible using the tons of drugs that are contraindicated (alcohol being one of the most popular... and statins, hence, the "doctors' note")
You could develop muscle tear/release from pushing your car to the gas station.
Point is, Crossfit has the highest incident rate and all clientele if not established as an advanced athlete should be properly assessed prior to joining in the (new/fad) mayhem.
There are many means to an end. For fitness, Crossfit would be my last choice... or completely excluded dependent on all variables listed by ES.
Peace Fitters ~
And don't piss green unless absolutely necessary. And remember, there are people who have phobias involving clowns. "Caulrophobia" and Rhabdo have a really nice ring to them, don't they?
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well... I doubt i'd ever bother to get "Crossfit Certified" unless somebody paid for my cert.
Why?
at my gym, we don't pay to license/use the name "Crossfit". have no need for it. we can't call it "Crossfit", but our clients can call it whatever they want.
I use it as a selling point sometimes. I point out the crossfit gyms charge 120-170/month and aren't a 'full gym'. We charge 20-30/month for regular gym memberships, and for my 'bootcamps' (I won't give the name of my programs as to not identify myself. lol) i'll charge usually 120/month. Most our clientele are just looking for a good workout.. they want to shrink.. they want more stamina.. they want to get stronger. They'll see the CrossfitGames on ESPN and say "Hey, that's what we do!" and they tell their friends they do "Crossfit", even though they're not doing kipping pullups, snatches, or bodyweight deads.... all they're looking for is to get their ass kicked in the gym and leave feeling like they accomplished something 3-4x/wk. I'm in the biz to make money... and the hardcore, serious crossfiters don't usually need my assistance... and they don't need to join a crossfit-only gym... all they want is the equipment and space.
Give me a 750 sq foot room with pullup bars across the wall (2ft away from the way), 5 trx straps, a 'battle rope', a sled,5 25lb plates, 2 35's, and 2 45's, 10 kettle bells, 5 12lb 'jam balls', a 12lb bouncing medicine ball, 2 sandbags, and a dozen bands of various resistance, a spin bike, a treadmill (not plugged in), and a water-rower, and i'll train groups of 10 ppl all day long in a "gym" that can easily be a one man operation with as little as $1500/month rent/insurance/electric. And I guarantee you after 3 workouts, they'll feel better than they would with 3 months of the traditional 'weightlifting/strength training/bodybuilding' they'd otherwise be doing.
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it drives me fucking bananas that CF can't be brought up without the usual toolboxes wailing about it.
the funny thing is i don't really even do it now, i just respect the SHIT out of it. currently i'm on an oly strength focus, but i still love following CF.
maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.
It's only the educated coaches that bring it up. The rest could give a shit because it's "cool" and think.its "hardcore". They don't understandprogramming or how physiology. As long as they sweat, breath hard and puke they think that's what works.
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It's only the educated coaches that bring it up. The rest could give a shit because it's "cool" and think.its "hardcore". They don't understandprogramming or how physiology. As long as they sweat, breath hard and puke they think that's what works.
No Joe, its usually people that have a bone to pick with it. You talk shit about it constantly. You talk endlessly about 'programming' and the physiology of this....or that. You really do make training out to be akin to neurosurgery. You don't like CF. We get it. The shit you talk constantly is much like some whiny bitch talking about how barbaric boxing or MMA is.
Why not start a thread how as soon as someone watches a few PPV events, gets MAYBE a couple classes at his local MMA gym, then finally takes the plunge and gets his first TapOut shirt that said individual says he is a UFC fighter?
You want to still compete in bodybuilding. I think its a joke. Not you competing...but the ACTIVITY of competing in bodybuilding. Lets get real...you get yourself all bloated will the shit you pump all that shit into yourself, decide to 'go to war' and diet down, and then what? You stand on stage for about 10 - 15 mins in the morning, then another 90 secs at night, and MAYBE another 5 mins while you 'pose down'. ::) After that you gorge down, get all blimpy and fat because you are back to 'bulking'. I have summed up the life of a bodybuilder right there! Oh, and then bitch and moan about how one guy beat you because of this, or that.
- You bitch and moan about the oly lifting, yet fail to mention that CFers do much more than that
- You bring up Glassman (who many, many, many just dismiss) but how about we sit and have a chat about Ben and Joe? How many times has Gassfuck ever been accused or rumored to have fucked a male competitor?
- Ever see a crossfit competitor be in a video getting his cock sucked by someone under a towel?
- Ever see a CF competitor fuck a grapefruit?
- Ever see a CF competitor shoot synthol into themselves in order to gain an edge?
- How many female CF competitors are on SheMuscle or whatever the fuck cam site that it
- How many female CF competitors are flashing their penoris to any that will pay money?
- You made a thread about how BBers are lazy ass trainers...then come in here and bash CF for how hard they train.
- When was the last BBing event that was on ESPN...LIVE?
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It's all about the safety issues Homey.
Really, that's all it boils down to. If you work next to it every day, you see it. I defies everything a good trainer knows.
I agree with ES. Give me a room, I'll choose the equipment and call it whatever you want (as long as it sells) and I will get you in top shape (if you follow protocol as with ANY other client) ~
Hell, if it's women, I'll just use their bodyweight as resistance and those that are strong enough can lift eachother. Doesn't really matter as long as nobody gets hurt by my stupidity.
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maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.
what "things"are these people exercising for? Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.
Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.
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what "things"are these people exercising for? Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.
Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.
if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.
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if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.
Quite true.
Hence, all the books written on the squat alone.
It's difficult not being distracted by these guys and gals that are squatting in the rack while you are training your clients. Very rare to see someone actually performing the movement correctly, and more importantly; safely.
You can literally spend weeks or even months trying to work with someone who insists on squatting, and still their form suffers because they just don't get it. Some people are just not built to squat, mentally or physically.
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if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.
Exactly. The amoutn of people I get in my office with back pain saying "all I did was bend down and pick something off the floor". Then they see thattheir low back looks like melted wax.
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if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.
Right, but what specific advantage does crossfit have in helping these people regain function?
Any comprehensive weight training program would accomplish that. If you want to get them to be able to start, have them squat!
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what "things"are these people exercising for? Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.
Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.
Pretty much, the way people feel the need to defend CF like its so revolutionary (when it isn't) is extremely annoying. More over boxing , MMA and even regular working out can help with funtional training and strenght CF is not special at all.
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Pretty much, the way people feel the need to defend CF like its so revolutionary (when it isn't) is extremely annoying. More over boxing , MMA and even regular working out can help with funtional training and strenght CF is not special at all.
No one is defending that its revolutionary. CF will never overtake BBing when it comes to douchey behavior. No chance in hell on that. There will NEVER be a CFer that will cancel a date or refuse holiday dinner and instead bring their tupperware of boiled chicken and steamed broccoli because they want to make sure they stay on their off season diet.
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No Joe, its usually people that have a bone to pick with it. You talk shit about it constantly. You talk endlessly about 'programming' and the physiology of this....or that. You really do make training out to be akin to neurosurgery. You don't like CF. We get it. The shit you talk constantly is much like some whiny bitch talking about how barbaric boxing or MMA is.
Why not start a thread how as soon as someone watches a few PPV events, gets MAYBE a couple classes at his local MMA gym, then finally takes the plunge and gets his first TapOut shirt that said individual says he is a UFC fighter?
You want to still compete in bodybuilding. I think its a joke. Not you competing...but the ACTIVITY of competing in bodybuilding. Lets get real...you get yourself all bloated will the shit you pump all that shit into yourself, decide to 'go to war' and diet down, and then what? You stand on stage for about 10 - 15 mins in the morning, then another 90 secs at night, and MAYBE another 5 mins while you 'pose down'. ::) After that you gorge down, get all blimpy and fat because you are back to 'bulking'. I have summed up the life of a bodybuilder right there! Oh, and then bitch and moan about how one guy beat you because of this, or that.
- You bitch and moan about the oly lifting, yet fail to mention that CFers do much more than that
- You bring up Glassman (who many, many, many just dismiss) but how about we sit and have a chat about Ben and Joe? How many times has Gassfuck ever been accused or rumored to have fucked a male competitor?
- Ever see a crossfit competitor be in a video getting his cock sucked by someone under a towel?
- Ever see a CF competitor fuck a grapefruit?
- Ever see a CF competitor shoot synthol into themselves in order to gain an edge?
- How many female CF competitors are on SheMuscle or whatever the fuck cam site that it
- How many female CF competitors are flashing their penoris to any that will pay money?
- You made a thread about how BBers are lazy ass trainers...then come in here and bash CF for how hard they train.
- When was the last BBing event that was on ESPN...LIVE?
Because that's how a sound, effective program should be. Sound programs are not about randomness or making up shit as you go along. Safety in an effective, sound program should be a system. Not duping the general the general public by having them do something that is sure to translate into an injury in one way or the other.
I've said there are things I like about CF but doing things like high rep power exercises, "kipping" "muscle up's" and other useless things like this that people try because it looks "cool" and they like the "hardcore" look is beyond naive when looking for a program. I do however appreciate the conditioning some of these people get into. I also like watching some of the CF games, admittedly, it's somewhat inspiring. But don't lead people on thinking that everyone can do CF. Not everyone can.
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No one is defending that its revolutionary. CF will never overtake BBing when it comes to douchey behavior. No chance in hell on that. There will NEVER be a CFer that will cancel a date or refuse holiday dinner and instead bring their tupperware of boiled chicken and steamed broccoli because they want to make sure they stay on their off season diet.
apples to oranges CF fanboys confirm the stereotype almost every time they post on any online forum, BB is by virtue of its own standards douchey, it is a sport for the vain by the vain funded by homosexuals and naive insecure people, HOWEVER many BB fans are aware of this (getbig is living proof) and know the reality and doucheness of the sport whereas CF fanboys are blissfully unaware of their annoying and self righteous attitudes. that's where the problem lies.
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I just pulled this from the Crossfit site. This is tomorrow's WOD. Tell me what's wrong with this...
For time:
50 Double unders
50 Burpees
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Back extensions
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Knees to elbows
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Box jump, 24 inch box
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apples to oranges CF fanboys confirm the stereotype almost every time they post on any online forum, BB is by virtue of its own standards douchey, it is a sport for the vain by the vain funded by homosexuals and naive insecure people, HOWEVER many BB fans are aware of this (getbig is living proof) and know the reality and doucheness of the sport whereas CF fanboys are blissfully unaware of their annoying and self righteous attitudes. that's where the problem lies.
Great post. No shit BBing is a superficial hobby that really has no importance. Guilty as charged.
These crossfitters claws really come out when you point out FACTS about crossfit.
Kai Greene, Strongman, etc, they are all over place with comical analogies....change your fucking tampons already....LOL.
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Zero sq ft would work just fine for a crossfit.
THis
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I've stayed out of the way, as the conversation went completely another way........still doing research.
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THis
You might be the only one on here who can answer my last question.
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You might be the only one on here who can answer my last question.
HA HA....programming is along the same lines as neurosurgery. Do you really have that big of an ego??
By the way...not everyone can bodybuild or powerlift. In the same light, not everyone can play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, etc, etc, etc.
When do you plan on bashing trainers at a gym who don't have a system or plan? Do you think everyone who is a competitive bodybuilder has a plan? When do you do you plan on starting a thread on the coaches of major sports who don't have a clue on things?
Answer to all....you won't. You failed to address 95% of everything I addressed to you and you have always done that. Truth be told, I don't think you can.
Address this : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good? How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)? Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?
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Great post. No shit BBing is a superficial hobby that really has no importance. Guilty as charged.
These crossfitters claws really come out when you point out FACTS about crossfit.
Kai Greene, Strongman, etc, they are all over place with comical analogies....change your fucking tampons already....LOL.
So far there have only been opinions expressed. Try and learn the difference champ.
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HA HA....programming is along the same lines as neurosurgery. Do you really have that big of an ego??
By the way...not everyone can bodybuild or powerlift. In the same light, not everyone can play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, etc, etc, etc.
When do you plan on bashing trainers at a gym who don't have a system or plan? Do you think everyone who is a competitive bodybuilder has a plan? When do you do you plan on starting a thread on the coaches of major sports who don't have a clue on things?
Answer to all....you won't. You failed to address 95% of everything I addressed to you and you have always done that. Truth be told, I don't think you can.
No it's not. But you don't do 250 reps that kills your CNS before you get to the first o-lift progression and then another 200 reps that kills your CNS even further before you to box jumps for Christ's sake. That's 450 reps before you get to the box jumps.
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50 Double unders
50 Burpees
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Back extensions
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Knees to elbows
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Box jump, 24 inch box
No it's not. But you don't do 250 reps that kills your CNS before you get to the first o-lift progression and then another 200 reps that kills your CNS even further before you to box jumps for Christ's sake. That's 450 reps before you get to the box jumps.
What is so absolutely evil with it? Its light as hell. Beyond that...really....tell me what is so difficult besides the Wall ball and the box jumps? Olympic lift progression?? Umm. A push press is an olympic lift progression. To top it off...45 fucking lbs??? Are you serious??
The whole thing would probably take about 15 - 20 mins to complete. I knew you would bring in that whole 'CNS killer' stuff. Can you talk about the actual components of this phenomenon that you always bring up without sounding like you are throwing it out like some buzz word that a fuck-all trainer would. For example "Gotta work your core man!"...."carbs are bad man, they are easily converted to fat"....."too much protein will cause kidney damage".
Christ in a handbag...you surely are more intelligent than this....
Still waiting : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good? How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)? Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?
Can everyone bodybuild or powerlift? In the same light, can anyone play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, golf, tennis, etc, etc, etc.
I imagine you are like this on your political and religious threads. Throw statement after statement out there, and then when challenged you simply pick one tiny little thing to comment on and then throw other statements out. Typical blow hard. I really don't know why I waste the time. I should give myself a penalty of 20 Snatches followed by 15 EMOM Clean and jerk + 5 burpees with 315lbs. That will teach my CNS!!!
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What is so absolutely evil with it? Its light as hell. Beyond that...really....tell me what is so difficult besides the Wall ball and the box jumps? Olympic lift progression?? Umm. A push press is an olympic lift progression. To top it off...45 fucking lbs??? Are you serious??
The whole thing would probably take about 15 - 20 mins to complete. I knew you would bring in that whole 'CNS killer' stuff. Can you talk about the actual components of this phenomenon that you always bring up without sounding like you are throwing it out like some buzz word that a fuck-all trainer would. For example "Gotta work your core man!"...."carbs are bad man, they are easily converted to fat"....."too much protein will cause kidney damage".
Christ in a handbag...you surely are more intelligent than this....
Still waiting : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good? How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)? Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?
Can everyone bodybuild or powerlift? In the same light, can anyone play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, golf, tennis, etc, etc, etc.
I imagine you are like this on your political and religious threads. Throw statement after statement out there, and then when challenged you simply pick one tiny little thing to comment on and then throw other statements out. Typical blow hard. I really don't know why I waste the time. I should give myself a penalty of 20 Snatches followed by 15 EMOM Clean and jerk + 5 burpees with 315lbs. That will teach my CNS!!!
Arguing with crossfitters may be more annoying that arguing with liberals. *Sigh*
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I'm not a fan of crossfit, but there isn't a man in thongs bodybuilder, strongman or track athlete for that matter who could do what this guy here does at this level...Not even close.
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Arguing with crossfitters may be more annoying that arguing with liberals. *Sigh*
Who is arguing? You seem to not be able to handle debates. You're arrogant and self righteous Joe. I should have stopped this back and forth when you actually said that your "training" was as complicated as neurosurgery.
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They're making money and you're not? Lol
We make more than most CF facilities. Now go on and collect your government welfare check.