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pressing doesnt really work chest anyway
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fuck I may try it
report back with your findings
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26 - 35 would be better.
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pressing doesnt really work chest anyway
how about you fuck off, skip the posting
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Yeah,
Nobody ever built a big chest from benching
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Yeah,
Nobody ever built a big chest from benching
most bench junkies have flat chest
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most bench junkies have flat chest
Try pre-exhaust flies before presses Mentzer had the same problem it worked for him.
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Dumbbell chest press > barbell chest press
Weighted dips are good too.
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26 - 35 would be better.
with no rest btw sets?
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Try pre-exhaust flies before presses Mentzer had the same problem it worked for him.
if the pecs are exhausted i'd think the tris and delts take even up more of the work
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if the pecs are exhausted i'd think the tris and delts take even up more of the work
try doing 100 push ups every morning
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with no rest btw sets?
here are some words of advice for you from gal
most delusional:
this is a very close race between dickjuggler181 and tbombs.tbombs kinda has an excuse, the guy is a victim to recreational drug use, it happens to the best.i hope he comes off of them before old men clientele fill up his anus with semen ,you know, before it starts spilling from his eyes.
now dj181, most stubborn , epic pussy, afraid to put a needle into himself(not for the side effect,hes afaraid of the needle,but surely was vaccinated as baby, so,less guts than a baby), no progress whatsoever, sucking up every broscience out there like tbombs sucks old men sperm.
he doesnt realize the only saving grace witha face like his, would be to develop a good charme and a jacked body.he will never learn.he lacks that moving forward attitude.if all men were like him wed still be living i caves.
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if the pecs are exhausted i'd think the tris and delts take even up more of the work
That's the point you don't want tris and delts to exhaust before pecs.
http://bodybuilding.ericsgym.com/trainingarticles/preexhaustchest/
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pressing doesnt really work chest anyway
Yes it does, you're just doing them wrong.
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That's the point you don't want tris and delts to exhaust before pecs.
http://bodybuilding.ericsgym.com/trainingarticles/preexhaustchest/
according to Blakely (whom i know personally) post-exhaust is better ie. first press then fly
btw, can you still dunk a basketball?
(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)
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according to Blakely (whom i know personally) post-exhaust is better ie. first press then fly
btw, can you still dunk a basketball?
(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)
Blakely looks like shit and can't dunk. Got a goal in my driveway dunk everyday.
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;D laughed my way through reading this,i had forgotten about it ;D
one of your greatest posts ever 8)
dj181 hasnt even got the balls to address it
he has probably been castrated at this point he is such a fucking pussy
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Train your chest 3x/wk.
I"m serious.
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Train your chest 3x/wk.
I"m serious.
what the fuck
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what the fuck
I know, 1x/wk is all you need. ::)
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Train your chest 3x/wk.
I"m serious.
Hmm elaborate
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Hmm elaborate
If you want to bring up a lagging body part, train that body part 2-3x/wk.
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If you want to bring up a lagging body part, train that body part 2-3x/wk.
;D
Less volume/workout i assume? Or is it just a full out "chest day" 3x a week?
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;D
Less volume/workout i assume? Or is it just a full out "chest day" 3x a week?
Overall volume has to be more than what you were doing previously. After a couple of weeks of doing this, you'll adapt and gain.
Training to failure is not necessary though, actually, it's counter productive.
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Overall volume has to be more than what you were doing previously. After a couple of weeks of doing this, you'll adapt and gain.
Training to failure is not necessary though, actually, it's counter productive.
Marathon runners are huge they do the same each week.
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Heavy flies that go deep = blown rotator cuff.
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Marathon runners are huge they do the same each week.
Tell us what you really think...
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Tell us what you really think...
26 sets 4 - 5 days a week.
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If you want to bring up a lagging body part, train that body part 2-3x/wk.
I concur with this gentleman.
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Overall volume has to be more than what you were doing previously. After a couple of weeks of doing this, you'll adapt and gain.
Training to failure is not necessary though, actually, it's counter productive.
Can you expound on this? I train my chest (always a weak bodypart for me) 2-3x a week, but always take sets to failure. What's your reason for not?
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Can you expound on this? I train my chest (always a weak bodypart for me) 2-3x a week, but always take sets to failure. What's your reason for not?
You just want to stimulate protein synthesis, but not cause substantial muscle tissue breakdown.
Protein synthesis is elevated for 24-48hrs after a training session, so training 2-3x/wk will keep signaling your muscle to actively grow and recover, but you want to facilitate this process by not destroying your chest each session.
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You just want to stimulate protein synthesis, but not cause substantial muscle tissue breakdown.
Protein synthesis is elevated for 24-48hrs after a training session, so training 2-3x/wk will keep signaling your muscle to actively grow and recover, but you want to facilitate this process by not destroying your chest each session.
Interesting bro, thanks.
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Not much excess thinking based on kinesiology here... and empirical data.
Rep schemes? Nonsense.
Learn how and what makes a muscle work, and then work it. I don't care if it comes down to standing on your head. It might even be better that way because at the very least, you would be thinking.. possibly even using logic.
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here are some words of advice for you from gal
most delusional:
this is a very close race between dickjuggler181 and tbombs.tbombs kinda has an excuse, the guy is a victim to recreational drug use, it happens to the best.i hope he comes off of them before old men clientele fill up his anus with semen ,you know, before it starts spilling from his eyes.
now dj181, most stubborn , epic pussy, afraid to put a needle into himself(not for the side effect,hes afaraid of the needle,but surely was vaccinated as baby, so,less guts than a baby), no progress whatsoever, sucking up every broscience out there like tbombs sucks old men sperm.
he doesnt realize the only saving grace witha face like his, would be to develop a good charme and a jacked body.he will never learn.he lacks that moving forward attitude.if all men were like him wed still be living i caves.
Brutal.
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Try 150 sets of dips with chains hanging around your neck for maximum growth.
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my chest barely grew at all from benching for years... dumbells, barbells, inclines,declines wide grip close grip...i did everything... wasnt till i started getting stronger on pec fly machines/cables did i actually get some pecs. Never understand why people think its a good chest builder the function of the pecs isnt a pressing movement, the tris and delts are doing nearly all the work.
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My sickest chest pumps come from a variety of dumbell presses. I know the whole triceps and delts overpower the blah blah blah argument, but if I want a wicked chest pump, it's from dumbell presses and possibly a snickers ice cream bar pre workout.
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My sickest chest pumps come from a variety of dumbell presses. I know the whole triceps and delts overpower the blah blah blah argument, but if I want a wicked chest pump, it's from dumbell presses and possibly a snickers ice cream bar pre workout.
did it grow your tits tho?
pump = growth?
thanks
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my chest barely grew at all from benching for years... dumbells, barbells, inclines,declines wide grip close grip...i did everything... wasnt till i started getting stronger on pec fly machines/cables did i actually get some pecs. Never understand why people think its a good chest builder the function of the pecs isnt a pressing movement, the tris and delts are doing nearly all the work.
Because of Arnold. Arnold benched press and had huge pecs, therefore, bench pressing gives people huge pecs, and everyone does them.
Arnold could have done all flies and still had that chest.
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did it grow your tits tho?
pump = growth?
thanks
Yes.
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is it a correct observation RC was more of a dumbell man than a barbell man?
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is it a correct observation RC was more of a dumbell man than a barbell man?
For chest: yes
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pressing doesnt really work chest anyway
Speak for yourself!!
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For chest: yes
was this brian dobson's plan
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Because of Arnold. Arnold benched press and had huge pecs, therefore, bench pressing gives people huge pecs, and everyone does them.
Arnold could have done all flies and still had that chest.
What does that say? GENETICS
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according to Blakely (whom i know personally) post-exhaust is better ie. first press then fly
btw, can you still dunk a basketball?
(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)
YOu mean post -activation
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There was a guy on here years ago that had been lifting for a long time. The last 5 years or so of his training was all flyes and dips, no pressing. He posted some pics and his chest looked like armor plating.
Due to shoulder and elbow injuries, i don't press as much as i used to. Sometimes i'll do 4-5 sets of DB presses and then do 10-12 sets of flyes in different variations. I think my chest looks better today than ever. Back when i was power lifting and did very heavy BB bench, it seemed the only thing that grew was my shoulders and triceps.
I still believe presses are important, but they aren't everything IMO.
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YOu mean post -activation
yep it could be put that way
the idea behind doing the compound move 1st is because one can use greater training loads which in turn facilitates greater size and strength gains
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There was a guy on here years ago that had been lifting for a long time. The last 5 years or so of his training was all flyes and dips, no pressing. He posted some pics and his chest looked like armor plating.
Due to shoulder and elbow injuries, i don't press as much as i used to. Sometimes i'll do 4-5 sets of DB presses and then do 10-12 sets of flyes in different variations. I think my chest looks better today than ever. Back when i was power lifting and did very heavy BB bench, it seemed the only thing that grew was my shoulders and triceps.
I still believe presses are important, but they aren't everything IMO.
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sounds good
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If barbell presses are "all delts and tris" how come most pec tears come from bb presses?
If there's no tension put on the pec major we wouldn't see all these pec tears from it.
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If barbell presses are "all delts and tris" how come most pec tears come from bb presses?
If there's no tension put on the pec major we wouldn't see all these pec tears from it.
Maybe it puts the pectoral muscle in a weak position, hence the tears.
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If barbell presses are "all delts and tris" how come most pec tears come from bb presses?
If there's no tension put on the pec major we wouldn't see all these pec tears from it.
Look at were the tear happens the majority of the time. It puts the pec in an awkward position and puts too much tension.
How many shoulder injuries come from flat BB bench?
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It puts the pec in an awkward position and puts too much tension.
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Exactly, it puts tremendous tension on the pec major. High tension = growth stimulus.
It's dangerous but effective.
It's hard on the shoulders because most press with elbows out and high on the chest.
Switching to dumbells makes most move their elbows in a bit. But this also takes some load off the pecs though, transfers it more to the tris.
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bench pressing for big pecs is about as efficient as squating for big calves.
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bench pressing for big pecs is about as efficient as squating for big calves.
x 100
Your mother has huge calves, and stands up to pee
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Your mother has huge calves, and stands up to pee
Neat
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Exactly, it puts tremendous tension on the pec major. High tension = growth stimulus.
It's dangerous but effective.
It's hard on the shoulders because most press with elbows out and high on the chest.
Switching to dumbells makes most move their elbows in a bit. But this also takes some load off the pecs though, transfers it more to the tris.
I can't argue with you there, but high tension doesn't make it the most effective muscle builder IMO.
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my chest is one of my better body parts. I'd say maybe 1/4 of the workout volume it gets is press based. the rest being all cable and isolation exercises like close grip push ups off a bench for the upper pecs.
I think you have to find what works best for you. some guys respond well to presses. others won't. everyone is designed differently biomechanicaly so what might work for some won't for you and vise versa. fuck what conventional wisdom says. if doing the opposite works for you then do it and grow while everyone stagnates cause there doing what 'they're supposed to'.
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today i did 2x10 + 1x8 reps flat bench with 100kg
4 sets of 8-15 reps incline dumbel press 30kg dumbells really deep reps with the squeezing etc etc
5x10-15 flat dumbell fly 14kg
5x10-15 shallow incline dumbell fly 14kg
4x10-15 chest fly machine (the reverse rear delt machine)
then triceps
4 sets narrow grip bench
4 sets french curl
4 sets single arm cable downward extention hold it at the round thing below the hook I FOUND OUT MY RIGHT TRICEP IS STRONGER THAN MY LEFT
NOW I AM FREAKING OUT OVER THIS DISCOVERY WHAT DO I DO NOWWWW
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Do triceps on their own day. That way:
1) chest gets hit more frequently
2) triceps get hit more frequently
3) triceps are fresh and can handle more load
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Do triceps on their own day. That way:
1) chest gets hit more frequently
2) triceps get hit more frequently
3) triceps are fresh and can handle more load
where does it end
one muscle per day?
they already told me to do delts on a seperate day
i do back on a seperate day
where does it fuckin,g ENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDD
THIS MADNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Do triceps on their own day. That way:
1) chest gets hit more frequently
2) triceps get hit more frequently
3) triceps are fresh and can handle more load
Very nice username broseph!!! :D
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For me machines isolate and cause my chest to grow best however the secondary muscles such as
Tris and delts are not worked/hit as effectively as when using free weights. Just mix it up week to week.
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So... I don't really get it...
Heavy flys, or pec deck can't stress your pecs the same way heavy bench press can?
You should obviously be able to move heavier weight bench pressing, but I don't see why the same tension can't be attained using a different technique and lighter weight?
(no tbombz)
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my chest is one of my better body parts. I'd say maybe 1/4 of the workout volume it gets is press based. the rest being all cable and isolation exercises like close grip push ups off a bench for the upper pecs.
I think you have to find what works best for you. some guys respond well to presses. others won't. everyone is designed differently biomechanicaly so what might work for some won't for you and vise versa. fuck what conventional wisdom says. if doing the opposite works for you then do it and grow while everyone stagnates cause there doing what 'they're supposed to'.
x2......excellent post......i agree wholeheartedly with you!
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according to Blakely (whom i know personally) post-exhaust is better ie. first press then fly
btw, can you still dunk a basketball?
(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)
I actually like that better on a alot of muscles
work it first with a basic movement or two and then when pumped finish with something where you can get a really good stretch
I hate to mention it but I think Bill Phillips wrote something about this back in the 90's as being some old timer technique from the 50's or 60's
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I can't argue with you there, but high tension doesn't make it the most effective muscle builder IMO.
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I think most muscle development is mostly genetic, but OTOH basically all the pros with outstanding pecs did lots of flat benching. Just coincidence?
Today's pros do mostly inclines and the pecs are shallower.
I think flat presses are better upper pec builders than inclines too. At most 10º incline for upper pecs.
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bench pressing destroyed my chest
everything worked my chest tho
if you dont feel bench pressing in your chest, i wouldn't be surprised if it won't grow no matter what you do
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where does it end
one muscle per day?
they already told me to do delts on a seperate day
i do back on a seperate day
where does it fuckin,g ENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDD
THIS MADNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSS
2-3 muscles/day
3-4day split
Muscles get hit 2+ times/week
Embrace high frequency
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You were hoping something would be wrong with your baby when she was born, so you could neglect your fatherly duty like most black man do.
You were also hoping that black bitch - your "wife" dies during child birth.
Since neither happened.
Give the baby up for custody - hopefully not a black male. You know where the latter leads to 16 years down the line.
Then opt for Murder (that black bitch already has you castrated - you got nothing to lose) - Suicide (you - since you are a delusional scum bag that thinks all his problems in life will be solved by gear and having a full head of hair).
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
my pecs are sore as hell
guess i'm gonna have them huge after all
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Skip flat except for warm up, hit all incline and decline for presses
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I train chest 8 times a week.
Here is my routine:
mon: chest, (rest 6 hours) then 2nd session of chest
tues: back, chest
wed: cardio, chest
thurs: shoulders, chest
fri: legs, chest
sat: cardio, chest
sun: 1/2 day rest, chest
I also do about 30 sets of chest on each day. I always employ preexhaust, supersets, dropsets, and giant sets. I know my limit though. When I have a flu, I cut it back to 25 sets and don't employ super sets or giant sets. I do however make up for the smaller volume by upping my caffeine amount from 500mg to about 2500mg.
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lol
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26 - 35 would be better.
Yes, the hypertrophy magic happens after 25 sets :D
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Yes, the hypertrophy magic happens after 25 sets :D
Yes it happens around 34.5 sets :D
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more is better
more pretty girls is better than less
more money is better than less
more fast cars is better than less
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more is better
more pretty girls is better than less
more money is better than less
more fast cars is better than less
New lyrics for your upcoming rap album?
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New lyrics for your upcoming rap album?
lol
i'm more of a rock kinda guy
do you play guitar?
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New lyrics for your upcoming rap album?
heshould have background whorese singing "get muscles get muscls" over and over again
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I never saw results from flat barbell bench press. It just destroyed my shoulders.
My chest really blew up what I switched to incline dumbbell presses. I also started doing a shit ton of pushups using the iron gym which is essentially a pushup/chins bar. It lets you get a much deeper stretch at the bottom than a regular push up. It Now I'm to the point where my chest is overpowering the rest of my physique. I've had to cut my chest workout down to nothing while I try to bring my back and shoulders up.
I would buy the iron gym before I started doing a bunch of flies.
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hammer makes damn good chest machines
the finishing part is quite a bit harder than the starting part, in order to match strength curves
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lol
i'm more of a rock kinda guy
do you play guitar?
I used to, but I got almost got degenerative arthritis, never again!