Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 24KT on August 12, 2013, 02:15:58 AM
-
Israel's settlement building plans infuriate Palestinians
The approval of more than 1,000 new units comes just days before a second round of peace talks is to take place in Jerusalem.
JERUSALEM — Even as it identified 26 Palestinian prisoners to be set free as a goodwill gesture to revive peace talks, Israel on Sunday infuriated Palestinian leaders by issuing approvals for more than 1,000 new units of housing on land it seized in 1967.
The move came just days before a second round of peace talks was set to take place in Jerusalem and despite U.S. pleas to curtail settlement construction while the fledgling peace process is renewed.
Israel's Housing Ministry said Sunday that it would publish final tenders for 1,187 units of housing — 793 units in Jewish developments in the Jerusalem area and 394 units in the West Bank.
Palestinians said Sunday's approval and a similar announcement last week are sabotaging direct negotiations, which U.S. Secretary of State John F. Kerry relaunched last month.
"Israel continues to use peace negotiations as a smoke screen for more settlement construction," said senior Palestinian negotiator Mohammed Shtayyeh.
Palestinians gave no indication that they would boycott the second round of talks, which are to resume in Jerusalem on Wednesday. In preparation for that meeting, newly appointed U.S. mediator Martin Indyk, a former ambassador to Israel, met Sunday in the West Bank city of Ramallah with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
Israeli officials defended the new projects, saying they would be built in areas that their nation hopes to keep under any future peace deal with Palestinians.
"This in no way changes the final map of peace," said Mark Regev, a spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "It changes nothing."
Housing Minister Uri Ariel said the tenders will help lower the nation's soaring housing costs. "This is the right thing at the right time, both from a Zionist and economic standpoint," he said.
But Finance Minster Yair Lapid, from the centrist Yesh Atid party, criticized the construction, calling it a "double mistake."
He called the plans an "unnecessary act of defiance against the U.S." that "puts a spoke in the wheel of peace talks." Rather than expanding housing in the West Bank, Lapid said, Israel should focus instead on areas inside the country where demand and prices are high.
After several months of relative quiet, Israel's settlement activity has accelerated in recent weeks. On Thursday, Israel's military advanced pending plans for about 1,100 units of previously announced housing units, mainly in small, isolated settlements that Israel is unlikely to retain if a Palestinian state is created.
Most of the international community views Israel's settlement construction as illegal.
A majority of the units announced Sunday will be on land that Israel considers to be part of Jerusalem, though Palestinians and the international community never recognized Israel's annexation of the land. Included in the new construction will be 400 units in Gilo, 210 in Har Homa and 183 in Pisgat Zeev.
In addition, 117 units will be built in the West Bank settlement of Ariel, 149 in Efrat, 92 in Maale Adumim and 36 in Beitar Illit, the Housing Ministry said.
Many see the settlement announcements as a way for Netanyahu to appease right-wing politicians angered by his decision to release 104 Palestinian prisoners as a gesture to bring Palestinians back to the negotiating table.
Early Monday morning, a special Israeli Cabinet-level committee released the names of 26 of the first group of prisoners to be released, including 17 convicted in Israeli military court of killing Israelis. Under Israeli law, the names of the prisoners must be publicized 48 hours before they are released to give opponents time to challenge the decision in the courts.
On Sunday, family members of those killed in attacks by Palestinians asked the Supreme Court to halt the release, though such legal appeals usually fail.
Oded Karamani, whose brother was killed in a 1990 terrorist attack, told Israel Radio that releasing the prisoners will leave other Israelis vulnerable. "These are no freedom fighters," Karamani said. "They are murderers and they will kill again."
Netanyahu did not attend the meeting because he was recovering from a hernia operation Saturday.
-
please provide link, thanks
-
Nothing new here, move along.
-
The zionists will get what's coming to them.
-
Good. Palestinian's are a conquered people. Get the fuck out of the way while the Victors build and take their spoils.
-
Good. Palestinian's are a conquered people. Get the fuck out of the way while the Victors build and take their spoils.
lol, they're only "conquered" due to western backing, take that away, and Israelis would be nuked, bombed, and slaughtered from all sides of the border.
-
lol, they're only "conquered" due to western backing, take that away, and Israelis would be nuked, bombed, and slaughtered from all sides of the border.
BFD. We had help taking our nation. They have help.
Palestinian's are conquered. Go cry in a fucking river and move on.
-
lol, they're only "conquered" due to western backing, take that away, and Israelis would be nuked, bombed, and slaughtered from all sides of the border.
lol by who? the iranians?
LMFAO you have basically 3rd world countries going up against the best armed and trained armies in the region. I see you are from canada which explains the delusion
-
Britain and her allies created the state of Israel, armed and financially supported them.
Financial and military support continues to this day via U.S.A, Britain, and Europe, but mainly U.S.A(World super power).
Remove said financial and military backing, and Israel would have to tone down aggression and take on a more diplomatic, or even isolationist approach.
Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, or China(all posses nuclear weapons) may find the unrest Israel presents in the region negatively affects stability of trade and commerce, and would lean heavily to neutralize this.
You have to understand, Palestine as a people and country is conquered, but you forget, Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims.
If other Arabs or Muslims would dare to attack Israel, her western allies would neutralize that threat immediately. Without such a threat, Israel would not be able to confront such hostility with ease.
-
Britain and her allies created the state of Israel, armed and financially supported them.
Financial and military support continues to this day via U.S.A, Britain, and Europe, but mainly U.S.A(World super power).
Remove said financial and military backing, and Israel would have to tone down aggression and take on a more diplomatic, or even isolationist approach.
Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, or China(all posses nuclear weapons) may find the unrest Israel presents in the region negatively affects stability of trade and commerce, and would lean heavily to neutralize this.
You have to understand, Palestine as a people and country is conquered, but you forget, Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims.
If other Arabs or Muslims would dare to attack Israel, her western allies would neutralize that threat immediately. Without such a threat, Israel would not be able to confront such hostility with ease.
Yeah, ifs and buts bro, ifs and buts.
Israel has the backing of the West, so they are the big boys on the block. Either take their land, like everyone else has done throughout history, or STFU and quit crying. They're never going to give the land back (nor should they), so until someone can legitimately challenge Israel, too fucking bad for them.
Just the way it is.
-
Britain and her allies created the state of Israel, armed and financially supported them.
Financial and military support continues to this day via U.S.A, Britain, and Europe, but mainly U.S.A(World super power).
Remove said financial and military backing, and Israel would have to tone down aggression and take on a more diplomatic, or even isolationist approach.
Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, or China(all posses nuclear weapons) may find the unrest Israel presents in the region negatively affects stability of trade and commerce, and would lean heavily to neutralize this.
You have to understand, Palestine as a people and country is conquered, but you forget, Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims.
If other Arabs or Muslims would dare to attack Israel, her western allies would neutralize that threat immediately. Without such a threat, Israel would not be able to confront such hostility with ease.
What are you talking about? Most of the Arab governments don't give two shits about what Israel does with the Palestinians and have taken a diplomatic approach to dealing with them because it's in their best interests. Hence all the bluster in front of the public and the backroom dealings with them on the side.
Fact of the matter is that no Arabs give two shits about the Palestinians, which is why they're still kept in refugee camps decades later. The Arab governments love the idea of Israel acting like they do as it gives them a perfect distraction from their own oppressive and totalitarian actions.
And Russia/Pakistan/Iran will definitely "step in" and shut down Israel, eh? Is this the same Pakistan that can't even corral the extremists in its own homeland?
And how are Iran and Russia doing in Syria? LOL. 42 Hezbollah/Iranian fighters killed by Al Nusra a few days ago in Damascus. The vaunted Hezbollah fighting force has been getting its ass kicked all over Syria by a bunch of Islamist psychopaths who, when they're not busy beating the shit out of Hezbollah, are busy killing each other over territorial disputes (lot of teamwork between them).
The Middle East is a cluster-fuck and the Syrian civil war shows that its problems stem from the continuing proxy war between Saudia Arabia/Qatar/Sunni Muslims and Shiite Iran.
-
Yeah, ifs and buts bro, ifs and buts.
Israel has the backing of the West, so they are the big boys on the block. Either take their land, like everyone else has done throughout history, or STFU and quit crying. They're never going to give the land back (nor should they), so until someone can legitimately challenge Israel, too fucking bad for them.
Just the way it is.
I don't know what you're talking about, i just addressed "skip8282" making a bold claim of Israelis single-handedly "conquering" Palestine.
If you tell me America, Russia, or China decided to conquer another country, that would be a legitimately accurate statement. As they are long standing nations with an established military and economic power.
What are you talking about? Most of the Arab governments don't give two shits about what Israel does with the Palestinians and have taken a diplomatic approach to dealing with them because it's in their best interests. Hence all the bluster in front of the public and the backroom dealings with them on the side.
Fact of the matter is that no Arabs give two shits about the Palestinians, which is why they're still kept in refugee camps decades later. The Arab governments love the idea of Israel acting like they do as it gives them a perfect distraction from their own oppressive and totalitarian actions.
And Russia/Pakistan/Iran will definitely "step in" and shut down Israel, eh? Is this the same Pakistan that can't even corral the extremists in its own homeland?
And how are Iran and Russia doing in Syria? LOL. 42 Hezbollah/Iranian fighters killed by Al Nusra a few days ago in Damascus. The vaunted Hezbollah fighting force has been getting its ass kicked all over Syria by a bunch of Islamist psychopaths who, when they're not busy beating the shit out of Hezbollah, are busy killing each other over territorial disputes (lot of teamwork between them).
The Middle East is a cluster-fuck and the Syrian civil war shows that its problems stem from the continuing proxy war between Saudia Arabia/Qatar/Sunni Muslims and Shiite Iran.
Oh man, i know what you're talking about. I was just playing politics there.
Assuming Arab and Muslim leadership was legitimately representative of its people, devoid of systematic corruption, and foreign influence, then militia groups would be non-existent.
I'm talking about well funded, unified national armed forces, not shit for brains militia groups like hamas, taliban, nusra or hezbollah.
-
I don't know what you're talking about, i just addressed "skip8282" making a bold claim of Israelis single-handedly "conquering" Palestine.
If you tell me America, Russia, or China decided to conquer another country, that would be a legitimately accurate statement. As they are long standing nations with an established military and economic power.
You don't seem to get it.
They have our backing, therefore they are top guy on the block. Saying "well without the wests help they would have nothing" is completely irrelevant. They DO have the wests backing, so until someone has the power/balls to take on Israel with us behind them, it's just a bunch of bitching and whining.
-
I don't know what you're talking about, i just addressed "skip8282" making a bold claim of Israelis single-handedly "conquering" Palestine.
Oh...perhaps you would care to show me where I made that claim.
Or are you just another dumbfuck who has to resort to making shit up because you don't have an argument.
And again, so...fucking...what if they had or have help. It's irrelevant. The Palestinians are conquered. To the victors go the spoils.
-
You don't seem to get it.
They have our backing, therefore they are top guy on the block. Saying "well without the wests help they would have nothing" is completely irrelevant. They DO have the wests backing, so until someone has the power/balls to take on Israel with us behind them, it's just a bunch of bitching and whining.
It's not "bitching and whining", it's called geopolitics.
...and what you describe is exactly why i chose to pick on "skip2828".
It's akin to a lone gangbanger reluctant to act, but in the presence of his gang, he magically finds the balls to posture and act.
Basically, i'm giving credit to who deserves it. Israel's existence and expansion is facilitated by America and her allies, so i focus on the major players, not the pawn.
-
Assuming Arab and Muslim leadership was legitimately representative of its people, devoid of systematic corruption, and foreign influence, then militia groups would be non-existent.
I'm talking about well funded, unified national armed forces, not shit for brains militia groups like hamas, taliban, nusra or hezbollah.
Will never happen. Islam and democracy are completely incompatible.
-
It's not "bitching and whining", it's called geopolitics.
...and what you describe is exactly why i chose to pick on "skip2828".
It's akin to a lone gangbanger reluctant to act, but in the presence of his gang, he magically finds the balls to posture and act.
Basically, i'm giving credit to who deserves it. Israel's existence and expansion is facilitated by America and her allies, so i focus on the major players, not the pawn.
It's irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. They have the Wests backing, therefore until someone has the power/balls to take the land back, it IS bitching and whining, and everything else is just "ifs and buts". Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's the way it is.
-
Britain and her allies created the state of Israel, armed and financially supported them.
Financial and military support continues to this day via U.S.A, Britain, and Europe, but mainly U.S.A(World super power).
Remove said financial and military backing, and Israel would have to tone down aggression and take on a more diplomatic, or even isolationist approach.
Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, or China(all posses nuclear weapons) may find the unrest Israel presents in the region negatively affects stability of trade and commerce, and would lean heavily to neutralize this.
You have to understand, Palestine as a people and country is conquered, but you forget, Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims.
If other Arabs or Muslims would dare to attack Israel, her western allies would neutralize that threat immediately. Without such a threat, Israel would not be able to confront such hostility with ease.
and you think india, china or russia will side with the radical mooslims?
LMFAO so in order to neutralize instability you take out the only stable country in the region? FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!
-
please provide link, thanks
Sorry didn't save it. It was from the LA Times. It came up in a boolean search I did.
A friend told me the LA Times had on Friday headlined an article predicting Gold to go to $5000oz,
and when I did the search, this was one of the popular articles links that appeared on the page I pulled up.
-
Britain and her allies created the state of Israel, armed and financially supported them.
Financial and military support continues to this day via U.S.A, Britain, and Europe, but mainly U.S.A(World super power).
Remove said financial and military backing, and Israel would have to tone down aggression and take on a more diplomatic, or even isolationist approach.
Pakistan, Iran, India, Russia, or China(all posses nuclear weapons) may find the unrest Israel presents in the region negatively affects stability of trade and commerce, and would lean heavily to neutralize this.
You have to understand, Palestine as a people and country is conquered, but you forget, Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims.
If other Arabs or Muslims would dare to attack Israel, her western allies would neutralize that threat immediately. Without such a threat, Israel would not be able to confront such hostility with ease.
Palestinians are Arabs, Christian and Muslim.
I don't know how people are so ignorant to think this is a Jew vs MOZLEM thing, it's in fact a zionist vs orthodox jew, christian and Muslim thing.
-
Palestinians West Bank: 75% Muslim, 17% Jewish, 8% Christian and other
Palestinian Gaza Strip: 99% Muslim
-
lol, they're only "conquered" due to western backing, take that away, and Israelis would be nuked, bombed, and slaughtered from all sides of the border.
Do you know anything about the 6 days war? All those nations united against Israel, helping each other and they were still defeated.
To the victor goes the spoils. Why should it be different for Israel?
-
Do you know anything about the 6 days war? All those nations united against Israel, helping each other and they were still defeated.
To the victor goes the spoils. Why should it be different for Israel?
That's not what actually happened, ...but the myth lives on. The only nation that wanted war was Israel
-
That's not what actually happened, ...but the myth lives on. The only nation that wanted war was Israel
No, but nice try. The Arab pussies got the shit kicked out of them.
Muslims are the biggest group of pussies on the planet. When they're not executing children on video they're blowing up women shopping for groceries. Real tough guys you defend, googly-eyes. Stick to your A_Ahmed account.
-
Palestinians are Arabs, Christian and Muslim.
I don't know how people are so ignorant to think this is a Jew vs MOZLEM thing, it's in fact a zionist vs orthodox jew, christian and Muslim thing.
Ahmed do you like Falangist Lebanese Christians ;D
-
Arabs & Jews deserved each others, just like horse shit & fly ;D
Last night watched doco film "5 Broken Cameras", burning olive trees & Jew shooting another Jew is so mental ::)
-
That's not what actually happened, ...but the myth lives on. The only nation that wanted war was Israel
Is history taught in your neck of the woods? From your blatant ignorance it is safe to say that is is not.
Does your world map even show Israel?
-
No, but nice try. The Arab pussies got the shit kicked out of them.
Yes, the Arabs got the pooped kicked out of them.
They were not prepared to go to war, and didn't want the war in the first place.
The only one that wanted that war was Israel, knowing that they were equipped by the USA with superior weapons. They had their plan of attack readied and they executed it, ...and grabbed much land in the process.
-
Is history taught in your neck of the woods? From your blatant ignorance it is safe to say that is is not.
Does your world map even show Israel?
She's not an educated woman. She went from failed beauty queen to snake oil salesman. Lying is in her blood.
She will now report this post and have it removed because she can't handle any criticism.
-
Is history taught in your neck of the woods? From your blatant ignorance it is safe to say that is is not.
Does your world map even show Israel?
Yes dario it is. The version of history taught in Canadian schools vis-a-vis the 7 yrs war in Israel, is the same version of history taught in USA schools. Unfortunately, it is riddled with many inaccuracies, as well as blatant lies.
When one removes themselves from the "North American Matrix", ...and has the ability to sit down and discuss facts with those who recorded them and/or who lived through them, ...a very different picture emerges. But don't take MY word for it, ...listen to the actual interviews of Israel's Prime Minister & military generals at the time.
Those who want to know the truth about what's going on in Israel or what has gone on in Israel cannot rely on Western media or educational institutions for the truth, ...they need to sit down and talk to a few Israelis who are right there on the ground. For some, that's not even enough. They have been so programmed and brain washed that hearing certain words out of the horses mouth isn't even enough to dissuade them from believing what they were taught to believe.
AIPAC doesn't run Israel's media... only America's. In Israel, there is no illusion as to what is taking place. the illusions are mostly on this side of the world.