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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/does-obama-know-hes-fighting-on-alqaidas-side-8786680.html
If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured – for the very first time in history – that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qa’ida.
Quite an alliance! Was it not the Three Musketeers who shouted “All for one and one for all” each time they sought combat? This really should be the new battle cry if – or when – the statesmen of the Western world go to war against Bashar al-Assad.
The men who destroyed so many thousands on 9/11 will then be fighting alongside the very nation whose innocents they so cruelly murdered almost exactly 12 years ago. Quite an achievement for Obama, Cameron, Hollande and the rest of the miniature warlords.
This, of course, will not be trumpeted by the Pentagon or the White House – nor, I suppose, by al-Qa’ida – though they are both trying to destroy Bashar. So are the Nusra front, one of al-Qa’ida’s affiliates. But it does raise some interesting possibilities.
Maybe the Americans should ask al-Qa’ida for intelligence help – after all, this is the group with “boots on the ground”, something the Americans have no interest in doing. And maybe al-Qa’ida could offer some target information facilities to the country which usually claims that the supporters of al-Qa’ida, rather than the Syrians, are the most wanted men in the world.
There will be some ironies, of course. While the Americans drone al-Qa’ida to death in Yemen and Pakistan – along, of course, with the usual flock of civilians – they will be giving them, with the help of Messrs Cameron, Hollande and the other Little General-politicians, material assistance in Syria by hitting al-Qa’ida’s enemies. Indeed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the one target the Americans will not strike in Syria will be al-Qa’ida or the Nusra front.
And our own Prime Minister will applaud whatever the Americans do, thus allying himself with al-Qa’ida, whose London bombings may have slipped his mind. Perhaps – since there is no institutional memory left among modern governments – Cameron has forgotten how similar are the sentiments being uttered by Obama and himself to those uttered by Bush and Blair a decade ago, the same bland assurances, uttered with such self-confidence but without quite enough evidence to make it stick.
In Iraq, we went to war on the basis of lies originally uttered by fakers and conmen. Now it’s war by YouTube. This doesn’t mean that the terrible images of the gassed and dying Syrian civilians are false. It does mean that any evidence to the contrary is going to have to be suppressed. For example, no-one is going to be interested in persistent reports in Beirut that three Hezbollah members – fighting alongside government troops in Damascus – were apparently struck down by the same gas on the same day, supposedly in tunnels. They are now said to be undergoing treatment in a Beirut hospital. So if Syrian government forces used gas, how come Hezbollah men might have been stricken too? Blowback?
And while we’re talking about institutional memory, hands up which of our jolly statesmen know what happened last time the Americans took on the Syrian government army? I bet they can’t remember. Well it happened in Lebanon when the US Air Force decided to bomb Syrian missiles in the Bekaa Valley on 4 December 1983. I recall this very well because I was here in Lebanon. An American A-6 fighter bomber was hit by a Syrian Strela missile – Russian made, naturally – and crash-landed in the Bekaa; its pilot, Mark Lange, was killed, its co-pilot, Robert Goodman, taken prisoner and freighted off to jail in Damascus. Jesse Jackson had to travel to Syria to get him back after almost a month amid many clichés about “ending the cycle of violence”. Another American plane – this time an A-7 – was also hit by Syrian fire but the pilot managed to eject over the Mediterranean where he was plucked from the water by a Lebanese fishing boat. His plane was also destroyed.
Sure, we are told that it will be a short strike on Syria, in and out, a couple of days. That’s what Obama likes to think. But think Iran. Think Hezbollah. I rather suspect – if Obama does go ahead – that this one will run and run.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2403697/Syria-crisis-strike-Syria-U-S-Al-Qaeda-time-history.html
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U.S. intelligence agencies earlier this month uncovered new evidence that al Qaeda-linked terrorists in Benghazi are training foreign jihadists to fight with Syria’s Islamist rebels, according to U.S. officials.
Ansar al-Sharia, the al Qaeda-affiliated militia that U.S. officials say orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. diplomatic compound and a CIA facility in Benghazi, is running several training camps for jihadists in Benghazi and nearby Darnah, another port city further east, said officials who discussed some details of the camps on condition of anonymity.
The officials said the terror training camps have been in operation since at least May and are part of a network that funnels foreign fighters to Syrian rebel groups, including the Al-Nusra Front, the most organized of the Islamist rebel groups fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in Damascus.
The officials said the jihadist training is a clear indication that Ansar al-Sharia continues to conduct terrorist activities and is linked to jihadists in both Syria and North Africa.
Disclosure of the terror training camps also bolsters earlier intelligence assessments that Libya, following the death of Muammar Qaddafi, is now a focal point for al Qaeda terrorist activity in North Africa.
Information about the terrorist training camps in northeastern Libya was uncovered after the arrest of several jihadists near the port city of Darnah in early August.
Other information about the camps appeared online at jihadist social media outlets around the same time.
Two men identified as Tunisians disclosed the existence of the training camps in Benghazi after they were interrogated by a local militia group in northern Libya.
At the time of their arrest, the Tunisians stated that they were trained in small arms use and were on their way to join Syria rebels by traveling first to Benghazi, then Istanbul, and over land across Turkey and into northern Syria.
According to the officials, the Tunisians were arrested Aug. 3. Inside their car, the militia found six passports, an AK-47 assault rifle, and foreign currency. A total of four people traveling in the car, including two Libyans, clashed with guards at a security checkpoint at the time of the arrest.
One of the men said he was an associate of Ansar al-Sharia’s leader Sufian Ben Qumu, an al Qaeda terrorist released from the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2007.
Details of the number of jihadist training camps and jihadists was not disclosed, but the officials said there are several training camps.
The Ansar al-Sharia Brigade in Benghazi was formed in early 2012 from several Islamist militias that fought during the 2011 revolution that ousted Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi. The group was forced to relocate its operating bases based on local opposition to the group’s role in attacks on the U.S. diplomatic compound.
Ansar al-Sharia is engaged in overt charitable activities and armed patrols in Benghazi, in addition to the covert terrorist training. The group has sought to play down its role in jihadist activities to avoid both the Libyan government and international scrutiny.
Ansar al-Sharia in Darnah was founded by former members of the terrorist Salim Martyrs Brigade and operates a base west of Darnah.
Libyan officials told Britain’s Arabic language newspaper Al Sharq al Awsat earlier this month that some type of covert U.S. military action was taken against al Qaeda bases in Darnah. However, Pentagon spokesmen said they had no information about such attack that reportedly took place Aug. 11.
U.S. intelligence agencies believe Libya has produced more jihadist rebels for the Syrian conflict than any other outside nation. Some 20 percent of foreign jihadists in Syria came from Libya and that several hundred are currently in the country.
Over 100 Libyans were reported killed in Syrian fighting for such rebel groups as Al-Nusra Front, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, Umma Brigade, Muhajirin Brigade, and Ahrar al-Sham, an Al-Nusra offshoot.
The jihadist training highlights the danger that Libya is becoming a breeding ground for al Qaeda terrorists. Officials said the weak central government in Tripoli has allowed Islamist militias to flourish, including in Benghazi and Darnah where the two factions Ansar al-Sharia groups operate.
The Ansar al-Sharia Brigade was blamed by U.S. officials for carrying out the deadly Benghazi terrorist attack Sept. 11.
The Obama administration sought to cover up the terrorist attack in the weeks before the presidential election by initially claiming the action was the result of a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an anti-Islamic Internet video.
Four Americans were killed in the attack, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens.
A Pentagon report from August 2012 published by the Library of Congress stated that al Qaeda senior leaders and the group al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) “have sought to take advantage of the Libyan Revolution to recruit militants and to reinforce their operational capabilities in an attempt to create a safe haven and possibly to extend their area of operations to Libya.”
The report said al Qaeda is developing a “clandestine network” in Libya that could be used in the future to destabilize the government and offer logistical support for al Qaeda activities in the region.
The report said that AQIM has formed sleeper cells that “are probably connected to an al Qaeda underground network in Libya, likely as a way, primarily, to secure the supply of arms for its ongoing jihadist operations in Algeria and the Sahel.”
“The al Qaeda clandestine network is currently in an expansion phase, running training camps and media campaigns on social-media platforms, such as Facebook and YouTube,” the report said. “However it will likely continue to mask its presence under the umbrella of the Libyan Salafist movement, with which it shares a radical ideology and a general intent to implement sharia in Libya and elsewhere.”
To avoid attacks, Ansar al-Sharia in Libya “could be the new face of al Qaeda in Libya despite its leader’s denial.”
http://freebeacon.com/u-s-al-qaeda-linked-group-behind-benghazi-attack-trains-jihadists-for-syrian-rebel-groups
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html?hp
Even many Obama voters are saying he should be impeached if he does this
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I support Obama on this 100 percent. It will also give him a chance to clear out Al-Quaeda in Syria. Its not like he wouldn`t order a drone strike on Al-Quaeda while there.
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I support Obama on this 100 percent. It will also give him a chance to clear out Al-Quaeda in Syria. Its not like he wouldn`t order a drone strike on Al-Quaeda while there.
Obama is clearing out Assad to help Al Quaeda. ;) ;)
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Obama is clearing out Assad to help Al Quaeda. ;) ;)
And I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska. ;)
Obama and his administration have ensured that they are the number one terrorist killer in the world, 10 times over at this point. I don`t think he has any plans to change that.
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Sarah Palin obliterates Obama on Syria: “President Obama’s advertised war plan isn’t...
The Right Scoop ^ | 8/30/13 | The Right Scoop
Posted on August 30, 2013 8:40:17 PM EDT by American Dream 246
Full Title: Sarah Palin obliterates Obama on Syria: “President Obama’s advertised war plan isn’t about protecting civilians”
This is Sarah Palin at her best, taking Obama’s plan to bomb Syria apart piece by piece and obliterating it:
“So we’re bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I’m the idiot?” – Sarah Palin
* President Obama wants America involved in Syria’s civil war pitting the antagonistic Assad regime against equally antagonistic Al Qaeda affiliated rebels. But he’s not quite sure which side is doing what, what the ultimate end game is, or even whose side we should be on. Haven’t we learned? WAGs don’t work in war.
* We didn’t intervene when over 100,000 Syrians were tragically slaughtered by various means, but we’ll now intervene to avenge the tragic deaths of over 1,000 Syrians killed by chemical weapons, though according to the White House we’re not actually planning to take out the chemical weapons because doing so would require “too much of a commitment.”
* President Obama wants to do what, exactly? Punish evil acts in the form of a telegraphed air strike on Syria to serve as a deterrent? If our invasion of Iraq wasn’t enough of a deterrent to stop evil men from using chemical weapons on their own people, why do we think this will be?
* The world sympathizes with the plight of civilians tragically caught in the crossfire of this internal conflict. But President Obama’s advertised war plan (which has given Assad enough of a heads-up that he’s reportedly already placing human shields at targeted sites) isn’t about protecting civilians, and it’s not been explained how lobbing U.S. missiles at Syria will help Syrian civilians. Do we really think our actions help either side or stop them from hurting more civilians?
* We have no clear mission in Syria. There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime, and we have no business getting involved anywhere without one. And where’s the legal consent of the people’s representatives? Our allies in Britain have already spoken. They just said no. The American people overwhelmingly agree, and the wisdom of the people must be heeded.
* Our Nobel Peace Prize winning President needs to seek Congressional approval before taking us to war. It’s nonsense to argue that, “Well, Bush did it.” Bull. President Bush received support from both Congress and a coalition of our allies for “his wars,” ironically the same wars Obama says he vehemently opposed because of lack of proof of America’s vital interests being at stake.
* Bottom line is that this is about President Obama saving political face because of his “red line” promise regarding chemical weapons.
* As I said before, if we are dangerously uncertain of the outcome and are led into war by a Commander-in-chief who can’t recognize that this conflict is pitting Islamic extremists against an authoritarian regime with both sides shouting “Allah Akbar” at each other, then let Allah sort it out.
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interesting Q...
What leader in world history has killed more terrorists than Obama has?
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-on-syria-i-cant-see-sending-my-son-to-fight-on-the-same-side-as-al-qaeda/article/2534926
yup yup yup
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-on-syria-i-cant-see-sending-my-son-to-fight-on-the-same-side-as-al-qaeda/article/2534926
yup yup yup
Republicans are the new limp wrists. hahhahaha love it.
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Og what benefit will sending troops in...oh wait cause Obama is doing, its fine right. ::)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html?hp
Even many Obama voters are saying he should be impeached if he does this
He should be impeached anyway, for Libya, among other things.
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Og what benefit will sending troops in...oh wait cause Obama is doing, its fine right. ::)
No troops are to be sent in. John Kerry already made this clear more than once.
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He should be impeached anyway, for Libya, among other things.
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RAND SLAMS KERRY: 'HOW CAN YOU ASK A MAN TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO DIE FOR A MISTAKE?'
Big Peace ^ | 9-1-2013 | TONY LEE
Posted on September 1, 2013 12:05:58 PM EDT by Bratch
Appearing on Meet The Press on Sunday, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) slammed Secretary of State John Kerry on his willingness to intervene militarily in Syria by twisting his most famous words against him.
"I would ask John Kerry, How can you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?" Paul said, in reference to Kerry's famous words against the Vietnam War to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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i love it when politicians own other politicians with their own words. Nice!
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i love it when politicians own other politicians with their own words. Nice!
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That doesn`t make sense though. Its not an all or nothing prospect you know. For instance, should I laugh at you and the rest of the Republicans now who have turned overnight into peace loving hipsters?
Now you and the ultra-liberals can hold hands and talk about GMO`s and whatever nonsense that the two of the fringes agree upon. :D
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http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/report-al-qaeda-linked-terrorists-in-syria-force-24-passengers-off-a-bus-and-behead-24-them-including-a-mother-and-baby
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I support Obama on this 100 percent. It will also give him a chance to clear out Al-Quaeda in Syria. Its not like he wouldn`t order a drone strike on Al-Quaeda while there.
Do you support him enough to go down and sign up? ;D
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http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/02/report-al-qaeda-linked-terrorists-in-syria-force-24-passengers-off-a-bus-and-behead-24-them-including-a-mother-and-baby
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Just the ISIS being the ISIS. These are the people will be handing Syria over to should we intervene. Make no mistake, the ISIS is as strong as Al-Nusra, if not stronger.
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I support Obama on this 100 percent. It will also give him a chance to clear out Al-Quaeda in Syria. Its not like he wouldn`t order a drone strike on Al-Quaeda while there.
You are a moron. So he's going to help al quaeda, arm them, and then drone strike them?
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interesting Q...
What leader in world history has killed more terrorists than Obama has?
Hundreds probably.
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You are a moron. So he's going to help al quaeda, arm them, and then drone strike them?
Hes not going to arm al quaeda and yes he will strike them there without any discretion. Why wouldn`t he? Its what he has done in the past and what he will continue to do.
You and Soul Crusher and the rest of Code Pink I know have a problem with this.
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The rebels are al quaeda.
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The rebels are al quaeda.
Sure they are. Al Quaeda, where ever they can be killed, will be killed. You can be assured of that. Now march on you little Conspiracy theorist.
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Sure they are. Al Quaeda, where ever they can be killed, will be killed. You can be assured of that. Now march on you little Conspiracy theorist.
Naive and delusional.
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Naive and delusional.
Then why join Code Pink if you think they are that? ???
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Sure they are. Al Quaeda, where ever they can be killed, will be killed. You can be assured of that. Now march on you little Conspiracy theorist.
Great argument. The ISIS was defeated.....oh wait. Stronger than ever and gaining more territory by the day. ::)
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Great argument. The ISIS was defeated.....oh wait. Stronger than ever and gaining more territory by the day. ::)
Al Quaeda is the weakest its ever been. Obama gives them no quarter. By all means, if you want to stand with Code Pink, go do it. Nobody will stop you.
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Al Quaeda is the weakest its ever been. Obama gives them no quarter. By all means, if you want to stand with Code Pink, go do it. Nobody will stop you.
LOL. That's why Obama shut down our embassies across the ME a few weeks ago. ::) ::)
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LOL. That's why Obama shut down our embassies across the ME a few weeks ago. ::) ::)
As opposed to letting them stay opened and get attacked? The highest Ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee also urged the closings. Why would you wait to have them attacked if you had actionable intelligence? ???
Al Quaeda is still out there, but its the weakest its ever been and grows weaker the more they die. Its quite simple really.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/03/McCain-allahu-akhbar
sick and delusional.
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As opposed to letting them stay opened and get attacked? The highest Ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee also urged the closings. Why would you wait to have them attacked if you had actionable intelligence? ???
Al Quaeda is still out there, but its the weakest its ever been and grows weaker the more they die. Its quite simple really.
If Al Queada was so weak and afraid of the Kenyan Warlord POTUS - why would they be attacked? ;)
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If Al Queada was so weak and afraid of the Kenyan Warlord POTUS - why would they be attacked? ;)
They are attacked because they are persistent pests. They should always be attacked.
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Al Quaeda is the weakest its ever been. Obama gives them no quarter. By all means, if you want to stand with Code Pink, go do it. Nobody will stop you.
This isn't remotely true. Al Qaeda, thanks to the Syrian Civil War, is arguably the strongest its ever been.
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I can't tell if TA is trolling or not. I hope he is lol
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This isn't remotely true. Al Qaeda, thanks to the Syrian Civil War, is arguably the strongest its ever been.
Proof?
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Where's the proof for your BS? you are the one making ridiculous claims
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10283758/First-Syria-rebels-armed-and-trained-by-CIA-on-way-to-battlefield.html
The war has already started.
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You are a moron. So he's going to help al quaeda, arm them, and then drone strike them?
After all, the Obama administration did arm Mexican drug cartels who in turned used those weapons to murder American citizens.
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Proof?
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Pot meet kettle. You clearly have no idea as to what you're talking about here. I'm guessing you read a CNN article over the weekend.
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/09/03/democratic-congresswoman-only-reason-i-d-vote-syrian-attack-loyalty-o
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http://freebeacon.com/syrian-ambassador-quotes-obamas-yes-we-can-slogan-while-defending-assad
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Where's the proof for your BS? you are the one making ridiculous claims
Yes, it was all made on a Hollywood stage. It was just a smoke machine and mannequins.
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Yes, it was all made on a Hollywood stage. It was just a smoke machine and mannequins.
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http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/03/british-intelligence-report-al-qaeda-and-other-jihadists-in-syria-most-worrying-emerging-terrorist-threat-to-west
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http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/03/british-intelligence-report-al-qaeda-and-other-jihadists-in-syria-most-worrying-emerging-terrorist-threat-to-west
There you go. That should be good enough reason to bomb them. Now we can bomb Al-Quaeda and Assad. Its a two for one deal as I have said earlier.
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There you go. That should be good enough reason to bomb them. Now we can bomb Al-Quaeda and Assad. Its a two for one deal as I have said earlier.
Except Obama is trying to bomb Assad in order to put al Queada into power
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Except Obama is trying to bomb Assad in order to put al Queada into power
Nonsense. Dumbest thing I have ever heard. You are starting to sound like Code Pink`s biggest spokesman mixed with Alex Jones and Wiggs. hahahhahahh
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Nonsense. Dumbest thing I have ever heard. You are starting to sound like Code Pink`s biggest spokesman mixed with Alex Jones and Wiggs. hahahhahahh
The two strongest rebel groups are the Al-Nusra Front and the ISIS. Both of which have ties to AQ. The next strongest is probably Ahrar Al-Sham, jihadist slant. And so on down the line until you get to the handful of "secular" FSA groups that actually conduct military operations. Also to note: all of those FSA operations are usually conducted alongside Al-Nusra and co.
Who do you think will come out on top should Assad fall?
It's clear you have done zero reading on this topic.
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The two strongest rebel groups are the Al-Nusra Front and the ISIS. Both of which have ties to AQ. The next strongest is probably Ahrar Al-Sham, jihadist slant. And so on down the line until you get to the handful of "secular" FSA groups that actually conduct military operations. Also to note: all of those FSA operations are usually conducted alongside Al-Nusra and co.
Who do you think will come out on top should Assad fall?
It's clear you have done zero reading on this topic.
If it was up to me, I would destroy them too.
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If it was up to me, I would destroy them too.
President Obama: Anti-War Rally in Chicago October 2, 2002
"I don't oppose all wars. ... What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war."
“But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history,”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hp&_r=0#commentsContainer
BBBOOOOOMMMMMM
Obama knows now he is helping terrorists. F him!!!!
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/09/free-syrian-army-fsa-moderates-behead-24-passengers-on-bus-to-include-a-mother-and-her-40-day-old-ba.html
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Pentagon Is Ordered to Expand Potential Targets in Syria With a Focus on Forces
New York Times ^ | September 5, 2013 | by David E. Sanger
Posted on September 5, 2013 11:23:00 PM EDT by Oldeconomybuyer
President Obama has directed the Pentagon to develop an expanded list of potential targets in Syria in response to intelligence suggesting that the government of President Bashar al-Assad has been moving troops and equipment used to employ chemical weapons while Congress debates whether to authorize military action.
Mr. Obama, officials said, is now determined to put more emphasis on the “degrade” part of what the administration has said is the goal of a military strike against Syria — to “deter and degrade” Mr. Assad’s ability to use chemical weapons. That means expanding beyond the 50 or so major sites that were part of the original target list developed with French forces before Mr. Obama delayed action on Saturday to seek Congressional approval of his plan.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hp&_r=0#commentsContainer
BBBOOOOOMMMMMM
Obama knows now he is helping terrorists. F him!!!!
No. They are all about to get it. Assad, the FSA, "the moderates", all of them. The expansion of targets will ensure this.
Enjoy the fireworks, a lot of scum are going to die and rightly so.
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130905/DA8KGUIG1.html
Obama training al queda
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http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/6/facebook-flap-syrian-rebels-post-image-selves-burn
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