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First England jumps ship-- now this;
AP SOURCES: INTELLIGENCE ON WEAPONS NO 'SLAM DUNK'
BY KIMBERLY DOZIER AND MATT APUZZO
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The intelligence linking Syrian President Bashar Assad or his inner circle to an alleged chemical weapons attack that killed at least 100 people is no "slam dunk," with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria's chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike, U.S. intelligence officials say.
President Barack Obama declared unequivocally Wednesday that the Syrian government was responsible, while laying the groundwork for an expected U.S. military strike.
"We have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these out," Obama said in an interview with "NewsHour" on PBS. "And if that's so, then there need to be international consequences."
However, multiple U.S. officials used the phrase "not a slam dunk" to describe the intelligence picture - a reference to then-CIA Director George Tenet's insistence in 2002 that U.S. intelligence showing Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was a "slam dunk" - intelligence that turned out to be wrong.
A report by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence outlining that evidence against Syria is thick with caveats. It builds a case that Assad's forces are most likely responsible while outlining gaps in the U.S. intelligence picture. Relevant congressional committees were to be briefed on that evidence by teleconference call on Thursday, U.S. officials and congressional aides said.
The complicated intelligence picture raises questions about the White House's full-steam-ahead approach to the Aug. 21 attack on a rebel-held Damascus suburb, with worries that the attack could be tied to al-Qaida-backed rebels later. Administration officials said Wednesday that neither the U.N. Security Council, which is deciding whether to weigh in, or allies' concerns would affect their plans.
Intelligence officials say they could not pinpoint the exact locations of Assad's supplies of chemical weapons, and Assad could have moved them in recent days as U.S. rhetoric builds. That lack of certainty means a possible series of U.S. cruise missile strikes aimed at crippling Assad's military infrastructure could hit newly hidden supplies of chemical weapons, accidentally triggering a deadly chemical attack.
Over the past six months, with shifting front lines in the 2 1/2-year-old civil war and sketchy satellite and human intelligence coming out of Syria, U.S. and allied spies have lost track of who controls some of the country's chemical weapons supplies, according to one senior U.S. intelligence official and three other U.S. officials briefed on the intelligence shared by the White House as reason to strike Syria's military complex. All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Syrian issue publicly.
U.S. satellites have captured images of Syrian troops moving trucks into weapons storage areas and removing materials, but U.S. analysts have not been able to track what was moved or, in some cases, where it was relocated. They are also not certain that when they saw what looked like Assad's forces moving chemical supplies, those forces were able to remove everything before rebels took over an area where weapons had been stored.
In addition, an intercept of Syrian military officials discussing the strike was among low-level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack back to an Assad insider or even a senior Syrian commander, the officials said.
So while Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government are "undeniable," U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad's orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said.
Ideally, the White House seeks intelligence that links the attack directly to Assad or someone in his inner circle to rule out the possibility that a rogue element of the military decided to use chemical weapons without Assad's authorization. Another possibility that officials would hope to rule out: that stocks had fallen out of the government's control and were deployed by rebels in a callous and calculated attempt to draw the West into the war.
The U.S. has devoted only a few hundred operatives, between intelligence officers and soldiers, to the Syrian mission, with CIA and Pentagon resources already stretched by the counterterrorism missions in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, as well as the continuing missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan, officials said.
The quest for added intelligence to bolster the White House's case for a strike against Assad's military infrastructure was the issue that delayed the release of the U.S. intelligence community's report, which had been expected Tuesday.
The uncertainty calls into question the statements by Kerry and Vice President Joe Biden.
"We know that the Syrian regime maintains custody of these chemical weapons," Kerry said. "We know that the Syrian regime has the capacity to do this with rockets. We know that the regime has been determined to clear the opposition from those very places where the attacks took place."
On Wednesday, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said it didn't really matter whether the administration knew those details with total certainty.
"We ultimately, of course, hold President Assad responsible for the use of chemical weapons by his regime against his own people, regardless of where the command and control lies," Harf said.
The CIA, the Pentagon and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment, and the White House did not respond to requests for comment.
Still, many U.S. lawmakers believe there is reasonable certainty Assad's government was responsible and are pressing the White House to go ahead with an armed response.
"Based on available intelligence, there can be no doubt the Assad regime is responsible for using chemical weapons on the Syrian people," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Short of putting troops on the ground, I believe a meaningful military response is appropriate."
Others, both Democrats and Republicans, have expressed serious concern with the expected military strike.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Wednesday that all the evidence points in one direction.
"There is no evidence that any opposition group in Syria has the capability let alone the desire to launch such a large-scale chemical attack," Hague told British broadcaster Sky News.
Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron has recalled Parliament to debate the issue Thursday.
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Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper, Julie Pace and Lara Jakes contributed to this report.
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Oh but Joseph Biden says you're full of shit. He knows for a fact, his own words, that Assad was responsible for the chemical attacks! You gotta trust Joseph lol....
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Assad is a ruthless, murder and a dictator.
But the alternative is far far worse.
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Assad is a ruthless, murder and a dictator.
and don't you kinda have to be a dictator over that kind of population? It's worked for them. In a lot of ways he let people do their own shit so I don't know what the major issue is. There wasn't a major problem until we started funding and arming people with a problem. ::)
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Re: No clear intel that Assad used chemical weapons
Why should that stop us?
It didn't stop us last time lol
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_SYRIA_INTELLIGENCE_DOUBTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-29-03-11-56
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It doesn't matter what the american people think. The gov in DC doesn't give a shit. They are going to tax the shit out of you, then use your tax money to do whatever they want with it, use it to further their own interests. Your interests as a citizen are irrelevent. And if you dispute this, you are a terrorist.
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http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/28/state_dept_admits_it_doesnt_know_who_in_the_syrian_govt_ordered_chemical_strike
bbbooommmmm
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this allows the USA to back out of aggressive action while saving face.
knowing russia was ready to get violent, we get to back down now.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/world/middleeast/us-facing-test-on-data-to-back-action-on-syria.html?_r=2&#comments
Even a lot of libs are slamming Obama's lies and deceptions on this.
F him.
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First England jumps ship-- now this;
AP SOURCES: INTELLIGENCE ON WEAPONS NO 'SLAM DUNK'
BY KIMBERLY DOZIER AND MATT APUZZO
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The intelligence linking Syrian President Bashar Assad or his inner circle to an alleged chemical weapons attack that killed at least 100 people is no "slam dunk," with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria's chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike, U.S. intelligence officials say.
President Barack Obama declared unequivocally Wednesday that the Syrian government was responsible, while laying the groundwork for an expected U.S. military strike.
"We have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these out," Obama said in an interview with "NewsHour" on PBS. "And if that's so, then there need to be international consequences."
However, multiple U.S. officials used the phrase "not a slam dunk" to describe the intelligence picture - a reference to then-CIA Director George Tenet's insistence in 2002 that U.S. intelligence showing Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was a "slam dunk" - intelligence that turned out to be wrong.
A report by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence outlining that evidence against Syria is thick with caveats. It builds a case that Assad's forces are most likely responsible while outlining gaps in the U.S. intelligence picture. Relevant congressional committees were to be briefed on that evidence by teleconference call on Thursday, U.S. officials and congressional aides said.
The complicated intelligence picture raises questions about the White House's full-steam-ahead approach to the Aug. 21 attack on a rebel-held Damascus suburb, with worries that the attack could be tied to al-Qaida-backed rebels later. Administration officials said Wednesday that neither the U.N. Security Council, which is deciding whether to weigh in, or allies' concerns would affect their plans.
Intelligence officials say they could not pinpoint the exact locations of Assad's supplies of chemical weapons, and Assad could have moved them in recent days as U.S. rhetoric builds. That lack of certainty means a possible series of U.S. cruise missile strikes aimed at crippling Assad's military infrastructure could hit newly hidden supplies of chemical weapons, accidentally triggering a deadly chemical attack.
Over the past six months, with shifting front lines in the 2 1/2-year-old civil war and sketchy satellite and human intelligence coming out of Syria, U.S. and allied spies have lost track of who controls some of the country's chemical weapons supplies, according to one senior U.S. intelligence official and three other U.S. officials briefed on the intelligence shared by the White House as reason to strike Syria's military complex. All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Syrian issue publicly.
U.S. satellites have captured images of Syrian troops moving trucks into weapons storage areas and removing materials, but U.S. analysts have not been able to track what was moved or, in some cases, where it was relocated. They are also not certain that when they saw what looked like Assad's forces moving chemical supplies, those forces were able to remove everything before rebels took over an area where weapons had been stored.
In addition, an intercept of Syrian military officials discussing the strike was among low-level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack back to an Assad insider or even a senior Syrian commander, the officials said.
So while Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government are "undeniable," U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad's orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said.
Ideally, the White House seeks intelligence that links the attack directly to Assad or someone in his inner circle to rule out the possibility that a rogue element of the military decided to use chemical weapons without Assad's authorization. Another possibility that officials would hope to rule out: that stocks had fallen out of the government's control and were deployed by rebels in a callous and calculated attempt to draw the West into the war.
The U.S. has devoted only a few hundred operatives, between intelligence officers and soldiers, to the Syrian mission, with CIA and Pentagon resources already stretched by the counterterrorism missions in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, as well as the continuing missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan, officials said.
The quest for added intelligence to bolster the White House's case for a strike against Assad's military infrastructure was the issue that delayed the release of the U.S. intelligence community's report, which had been expected Tuesday.
The uncertainty calls into question the statements by Kerry and Vice President Joe Biden.
"We know that the Syrian regime maintains custody of these chemical weapons," Kerry said. "We know that the Syrian regime has the capacity to do this with rockets. We know that the regime has been determined to clear the opposition from those very places where the attacks took place."
On Wednesday, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said it didn't really matter whether the administration knew those details with total certainty.
"We ultimately, of course, hold President Assad responsible for the use of chemical weapons by his regime against his own people, regardless of where the command and control lies," Harf said.
The CIA, the Pentagon and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment, and the White House did not respond to requests for comment.
Still, many U.S. lawmakers believe there is reasonable certainty Assad's government was responsible and are pressing the White House to go ahead with an armed response.
"Based on available intelligence, there can be no doubt the Assad regime is responsible for using chemical weapons on the Syrian people," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Short of putting troops on the ground, I believe a meaningful military response is appropriate."
Others, both Democrats and Republicans, have expressed serious concern with the expected military strike.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Wednesday that all the evidence points in one direction.
"There is no evidence that any opposition group in Syria has the capability let alone the desire to launch such a large-scale chemical attack," Hague told British broadcaster Sky News.
Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron has recalled Parliament to debate the issue Thursday.
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Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper, Julie Pace and Lara Jakes contributed to this report.
Who cares. Its time to clean house of Muslim scum once again. Might as well use all that nonsense the tax dollars pay for rather than let go to waste on "training missions".
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Who cares. Its time to clean house of Muslim scum once again. Might as well use all that nonsense the tax dollars pay for rather than let go to waste on "training missions".
Yes, but Assad just like Saddam keeps the crazy Muslims in check.
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Yes, but Assad just like Saddam keeps the crazy Muslims in check.
I don`t think so. Its time to draw Iran in and get rid of their nonsense as well. Better to do it now than later.
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I don`t think so. Its time to draw Iran in and get rid of their nonsense as well. Better to do it now than later.
What exactly is their 'nonsense'? Beside the propaganda constantly spread by the media. Iran presents no threat to america or americans at all and have never done a thing to us.
But yeah, lets use all our tax dollars and commit our military to 'stop their nonsense'. ::)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/white-house-syria-response_n_3838377.html
LMFAO!!!!
Obama is different from W how again?
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I don`t think so. Its time to draw Iran in and get rid of their nonsense as well. Better to do it now than later.
You will to risk your life in Obama's war on behalf of Al Queada?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/white-house-syria-response_n_3838377.html
LMFAO!!!!
Obama is different from W how again?
Why, because he's BLACK, bro. Didn't you know? It makes all the difference in the world.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/white-house-syria-response_n_3838377.html
LMFAO!!!!
Obama is different from W how again?
I think history will eventually favor Bush for Iraq.
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What exactly is their 'nonsense'? Beside the propaganda constantly spread by the media. Iran presents no threat to america or americans at all and have never done a thing to us.
But yeah, lets use all our tax dollars and commit our military to 'stop their nonsense'. ::)
A ThermoNuclear Theocracy is not acceptable.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/british-parliament-syria-vote_n_3839067.html
bbbooommmmmm
Obama and Cameron going to look like two little punks
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/british-parliament-syria-vote_n_3839067.html
bbbooommmmmm
Obama and Cameron going to look like two little punks
Why would you not support it? ???
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Why would you not support it? ???
BECAUSE THE REBELS ARE AL QUEADA AND CANNIBALS
Plus - Obama is trying to enable the radical jihadists like he did in Libya and Egypt
No thanks
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I don`t think so. Its time to draw Iran in and get rid of their nonsense as well. Better to do it now than later.
I see what you're saying, but I think the less meddling we do the better. Why don't we invest the money and resources in securing our boarders and embassies instead?
Whose going to run these countries when we topple these people? It looks like even worse people are stepping in and taking control everywhere we go.
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Washington, London: A study in contrasts over Syria debate
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People take part in a protest organized by the Stop the War coalition calling for no military attack on Syria from the U.S., Britain or France, across the road from the entrance of Downing Street in London | Matt Dunham/AP
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By David Lightman | McClatchy Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON — The British Parliament spent Thursday slugging it out over Syria. The U.S. Congress stayed away. For the fourth straight week.
If you want a rousing debate over whether the United States should launch a military strike against the Syrian regime, you’ll have to head overseas or surf the Internet and find a British site.
“In Great Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has called the House of Commons home from vacation to deliberate over the use of force in Syria,” said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, while “in Washington, D.C., crickets are chirping.”
Congressional leaders are being briefed, usually by phone, by Obama administration officials. Leaders are not ruling out summoning Congress back, but “it’s hard to say whether that could be necessary until we know what the White House is actually planning to do, if anything,” said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio.
But many rank-and-file members want to know more, lots more, and dozens say they’re ready to return to Washington.
“We stand ready to come back into session, consider the facts before us, and share the burden of decisions made regarding U.S. involvement in the quickly escalating Syrian conflict,” said a letter signed by 98 Republicans and 18 Democrats in the House of Representatives.
Some analysts suspect the real reason Congress is not in session to address the Syria question is that leaders, as well as the White House, fear political chaos. Debate could be intense and ugly, and a vote on whether to back military action is not, as intelligence officials might say, a slam dunk.
“The administration doesn’t want a vote. It would be messy,” said Ilya Shapiro, senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.
Both parties could endure very public schisms. A solid core of Republicans have signaled their distaste for military action. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., noted there is “no threat to our homeland,” a view echoed by others. Obama also faces trouble from his own party. “Frankly, I’m skeptical about getting involved in another action in the Middle East. I don’t think it’s turned out well,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest did not say Thursday whether Congress should return to Washington to debate or vote on any intervention in Syria, but he said repeatedly that the White House was seeking lawmakers’ consultation.
“I’m not ruling out future briefings that might include every member of Congress,” Earnest said.
And so, Thursday, London and Washington remained worlds apart.
At the Capitol, one could walk from the House of Representatives side to the Senate side, which takes about half an hour, and encounter only a half-dozen people, none of them members of Congress.
Parliament, on the other hand, was rocking. Members had been summoned for an emergency session to vote on military action, and Prime Minister Cameron explained the situation. Votes are expected soon.
In Washington, the longer Congress is gone, the harder it will be to call it back. Labor Day weekend is a popular time for campaigning. Two days after the holiday, the Jewish New Year begins at sunset, and the observance lasts for many until Friday night.
And then it’s the weekend, with lawmakers officially due back in Washington on Monday, Sept. 9, at least for a while. Eleven days later, the House is scheduled to leave for a nine-day September recess.
Anita Kumar and William Douglas of the Washington Bureau contributed to this story.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/29/200788/washington-london-a-study-in-contrasts.html#storylink=cpy
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BECAUSE THE REBELS ARE AL QUEADA AND CANNIBALS
Plus - Obama is trying to enable the radical jihadists like he did in Libya and Egypt
No thanks
Might as well ruin them too. Create a power vacuum and put someone less bat shit in.
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I see what you're saying, but I think the less meddling we do the better. Why don't we invest the money and resources in securing our boarders and embassies instead?
Whose going to run these countries when we topple these people? It looks like even worse people are stepping in and taking control everywhere we go.
I think Iraq has been somewhat of a success story so far.
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Might as well ruin them too. Create a power vacuum and put someone less bat shit in.
False - Obama is trying to put people in worse than Assad
He seems intent on this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html?hp
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False - Obama is trying to put people in worse than Assad
He seems intent on this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html?hp
I doubt that judging by overseeing the decimation of Al-Quaeda throughout his first and second term. If Obama has done one thing right, it has been that he has gone extra hard against Al-Quaeda and militant Islamists.
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I doubt that judging by overseeing the decimation of Al-Quaeda throughout his first and second term. If Obama has done one thing right, it has been that he has gone extra hard against Al-Quaeda and militant Islamists.
Al Queada is not decimated as Obama lied about. The flag of Al Qeuada is flying in lybia, Egypt, and amongst the Syrian rebels.
This was another lie of Obama to get re-elected.
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Al Queada is not decimated as Obama lied about. The flag of Al Qeuada is flying in lybia, Egypt, and amongst the Syrian rebels.
This was another lie of Obama to get re-elected.
Hey, they can fly whatever they want, but it won`t do them any good when there is a drone over head.
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So now that England is pulling out, France and the US could strike as soon as Saturday when the UN inspectors are scheduled to leave.
If we're going to bomb Syria, bomb the whole fucking country and be done with it.
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So now that England is pulling out, France and the US could strike as soon as Saturday when the UN inspectors are scheduled to leave.
If we're going to bomb Syria, bomb the whole fucking country and be done with it.
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Agreed.
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A ThermoNuclear Theocracy is not acceptable.
But you are ok with israel?
Between israel and iran, which has been more hostile to their neighbors? Which has invaded neighboring countries? Which has been involved in perpetual conflict?
But oh yea, we just 'need' to attack iran ::)
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http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-meets-with-magic-johnson-snubs-congress-on-syria
worthless piece of turd
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2406862/Nancy-Pelosi-warns-President-Obama-needs-win-Congress-launching-unilateral-strike-Syria.html
LOL - Ratlosi sees the writing on the wall.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/30/obama-strike-syria-britain-vote
Obama cant even get UK to help out on his adventures to aide Al Queada
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But you are ok with israel?
Between israel and iran, which has been more hostile to their neighbors? Which has invaded neighboring countries? Which has been involved in perpetual conflict?
But oh yea, we just 'need' to attack iran ::)
::)
Israel is a Democracy Genius, not a theocracy.
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Republicans are stupid as fuck for not supporting Obama on this.
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Republicans are stupid as fuck for not supporting Obama on this.
TA - the rebels are al queada. What part of this do you not grasp?
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TA - the rebels are al queada. What part of this do you not grasp?
::)
Its more complicated than that and its not like Obama and the US military are allying with Al-Quaeda. I am sure they will destroy all of them if given the chance to go over there.
What part of that do YOU not understand?
Republicans are becoming weak-willed pussy hipsters defending Muslims. Its quite hilarious actually.
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Its more complicated than that and its not like Obama and the US military are allying with Al-Quaeda. I am sure they will destroy all of them if given the chance to go over there.
What part of that do YOU not understand?
Republicans are becoming weak-willed pussy hipsters defending Muslims. Its quite hilarious actually.
No - we are advocating letting these animals kill each other off on their own.
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No - we are advocating letting these animals kill each other off on their own.
That never happens. Plus, why would you want to back down to Iran?
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That never happens. Plus, why would you want to back down to Iran?
We are not planning on bombing them so whats the point?
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Hey, they can fly whatever they want, but it won`t do them any good when there is a drone over head.
Hey, you are a babling, idiotic atheist scumbag if you think Al-qaeda has in any way been decimated by those drone attacks. Kill their current leaders and there is a hundred more ready to take their place. Al-qaeda is alive and well.
Obama lied and you believed him. So much for your intellectual superiority.
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Hey, you are a babling, idiotic atheist scumbag if you think Al-qaeda has in any way been decimated by those drone attacks. Kill their current leaders and there is a hundred more ready to take their place. Al-qaeda is alive and well.
Obama lied and you believed him. So much for your intellectual superiority.
Blah, Blah, Blah you stupid stone aged thinking moron.
The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Quaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense. You people really are morons when it comes to some things. You hear Obama and automatically have a knee-jerk reactions.
Some things he does do right and going after terrorists is one of them. Nobody has been as effective to date.
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Blah, Blah, Blah you stupid stone aged thinking moron.
The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Quaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense. You people really are morons when it comes to some things. You hear Obama and automatically have a knee-jerk reactions.
Some things he does do right and going after terrorists is one of them. Nobody has been as effective to date.
You damn retard. They haven't done crap.
The death of Bin Laden DID NOTHING. The killing of their leaders hasn't cause them to skip a bit.
Stick to breeding your stupid dogs, you filthy waste of skin.
This is the type of moron that accuses others of being sheep yet he believes everything that the moron in chief shoves up his ass. This is the type of nitwit that continues to support that garbage in the white house.
Que the retard to post an article that claims Al-qaeda is decimated as if it was the actual truth.
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Blah, Blah, Blah you stupid stone aged thinking moron.
The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Quaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense. You people really are morons when it comes to some things. You hear Obama and automatically have a knee-jerk reactions.
Some things he does do right and going after terrorists is one of them. Nobody has been as effective to date.
Dude - WTF? Al Queada is openly operating in Libya Egypt Yemen, now Syria amongst the rebels etc
They just claimed credit for that massive attack in Iraq two days ago
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Blah, Blah, Blah you stupid stone aged thinking moron.
The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Quaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense. You people really are morons when it comes to some things. You hear Obama and automatically have a knee-jerk reactions.
Some things he does do right and going after terrorists is one of them. Nobody has been as effective to date.
All indications are that 'al qaeda' and the scourge of extremist militant muslims has been growing, not declining.
Plus your statement about iraq being a success automatically means you are showing strong retard and everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt.
And once again explain the pressing need to 'deal with iran' ::)
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Dude - WTF? Al Queada is openly operating in Libya Egypt Yemen, now Syria amongst the rebels etc
They just claimed credit for that massive attack in Iraq two days ago
Post how many Al-Quaeda leaders and operatives have been killed since the Obama Administration took office. This oughta be good. :D
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The death of Bin Laden DID NOTHING. The killing of their leaders hasn't cause them to skip a bit.
hmmm http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/05/terror-trends-40-years-data-on-international-and-domestic-terrorism
I guess I tend to connect More dead terrorists = less terror attacks. You don't?
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All indications are that 'al qaeda' and the scourge of extremist militant muslims has been growing, not declining.
Plus your statement about iraq being a success automatically means you are showing strong retard and everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt.
And once again explain the pressing need to 'deal with iran' ::)
You have no evidence for that. You just made that up. Why would you do that?
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Blah, Blah, Blah you stupid stone aged thinking moron.
The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Quaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense.
O Rly? So we didn't just shut down our embassies across the Middle East over fear of an Al Qaeda attack?
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O Rly? So we didn't just shut down our embassies across the Middle East over fear of an Al Qaeda attack?
:D
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O Rly? So we didn't just shut down our embassies across the Middle East over fear of an Al Qaeda attack?
Preventative measure. Only a thick headed moron would have done differently.
Take off your blinders for once.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/31/world/after-british-vote-unusual-isolation-for-us-on-syria.html?hp&_r=1&
LMFAO!!!! Obama blames UK and Cameron now.
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Preventative measure. Only a thick headed moron would have done differently.
Take off your blinders for once.
Why would we need to take unprecedented "preventive" measures and create panic across the country (and globe) if Al Qaeda has been "decimated"?
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Why would we need to take unprecedented "preventive" measures and create panic across the country (and globe) if Al Qaeda has been "decimated"?
Its not unprecedented and we want to avoid a Ronald Reagan fuck up of epic proportions when he cut and ran and did nothing after the 1983 bombing in Beirut.
The April 18, 1983 United States embassy bombing was a suicide bombing in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans. It was the deadliest attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission up to that time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.at time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.[/b]
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Its not unprecedented and we want to avoid a Ronald Reagan fuck up of epic proportions when he cut and ran and did nothing after the 1983 bombing in Beirut.
The April 18, 1983 United States embassy bombing was a suicide bombing in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans. It was the deadliest attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission up to that time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.at time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.[/b]
We're not talking about Beirut, which has zero to do with whether Al Qaeda has been "decimated" by Obama. The guards in Beirut didn't even have loaded weapons.
When have we shut down all of our embassies in the Middle East over a threat by one terrorist group?
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/30/Al-Qaeda-in-Syria-Caught-with-Sarin-Gas
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We're not talking about Beirut, which has zero to do with whether Al Qaeda has been "decimated" by Obama. The guards in Beirut didn't even have loaded weapons.
When have we shut down all of our embassies in the Middle East over a threat by one terrorist group?
The highest ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee urged for the embassies to be closed. Hope this helps.
I guess they should have just listened to you instead, right?
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Its not unprecedented and we want to avoid a Ronald Reagan fuck up of epic proportions when he cut and ran and did nothing after the 1983 bombing in Beirut.
The April 18, 1983 United States embassy bombing was a suicide bombing in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans. It was the deadliest attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission up to that time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.at time, and is thought of as marking the beginning of anti-U.S. attacks by Islamist groups.[/b]
And Reagans response to that was to cut and run
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And Reagans response to that was to cut and run
So what did Syria do to us that you are backing up Obama's cowboy war?
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You have no evidence for that. You just made that up. Why would you do that?
There is more evidence for that than there is for your Obama-fed statement that 'al qaeda'(ie militant muslim radicals) have been decimated by Obama ::)
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The highest ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee urged for the embassies to be closed. Hope this helps.
I guess they should have just listened to you instead, right?
Let's try this again.
1. You said "The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Qaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense."
2. I asked you how Al Qaeda could be "decimated" if we shut down all of our embassies in the ME over a threat by Al Qaeda, casuing panic in the U.S. and abroad, which I think was an unprecedented move.
3. You responded by saying it was not unprecedented and mentioned Beirut, which has nothing to do with Al Qaeda, or shutting down ALL of our embassies in the Middle East.
So, now I'm asking again, (a) how can you say Obama decimated Al Qaeda when we just shut down our embassies over a threatened Al Qaeda attack and (b) when have we previously shut down all of our embassies in the ME over a threat by a single terrorist group?
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There is more evidence for that than there is for your Obama-fed statement that 'al qaeda'(ie militant muslim radicals) have been decimated by Obama ::)
Where is the evidence? ???
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Where is the evidence? ???
It has been posted dozens and dozens of times how the rebels are islamists and al Queada.
The thought of waging war on behalf of muslim fanatics while we are broke is psychotic
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Let's try this again.
1. You said "The Obama Administration has decimated Al-Qaeda. To speak otherwise is nonsense."
2. I asked you how Al Qaeda could be "decimated" if we shut down all of our embassies in the ME over a threat by Al Qaeda, casuing panic in the U.S. and abroad, which I think was an unprecedented move.
3. You responded by saying it was not unprecedented and mentioned Beirut, which has nothing to do with Al Qaeda, or shutting down ALL of our embassies in the Middle East.
So, now I'm asking again, (a) how can you say Obama decimated Al Qaeda when we just shut down our embassies over a threatened Al Qaeda attack and (b) when have we previously shut down all of our embassies in the ME over a threat by a single terrorist group?
Check the body count.
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It has been posted dozens and dozens of times how the rebels are islamists and al Queada.
The thought of waging war on behalf of muslim fanatics while we are broke is psychotic
No such thing as the United States "being broke".
Syria will be a house cleaning of sorts. Everyone will get what is coming.
Moron Liberals and Moron Republicans would rather support militant islam and ensure that it spreads. Its hilarious. At least you are coming full circle with the liberal loonies by sharing their sentiments.
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Al-Q isn't at 0%
Al-Q isn't at 100%
They're somewhere in the middle. Killing dozens of high ranking officials, yes, that does disrupt things. You can promote people, but replacing a terr'ist of 30 years like a bin laden isn't exactly easy to do, so even if the numbers are retained, the quality of bad guy is going to be lower.
Obama killed a lot of bad guys, and terror attacks have dropped since he took office. Coincidence? lol
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Check the body count.
I see. In other words, you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Got it. :)
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I see. In other words, you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Got it. :)
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+terrorist+has+obama+killed&rlz=1C1GIGM_enUS544US544&oq=how+many+terriroust+obmam&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.5587j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Hope this helps.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+terrorist+has+obama+killed&rlz=1C1GIGM_enUS544US544&oq=how+many+terriroust+obmam&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.5587j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Hope this helps.
Not at all. But you keeping drinking the Kool-Aid. "Al Qaeda is on the run and Osama Bin Laden is dead."
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Not at all. But you keeping drinking the Kool-Aid. "Al Qaeda is on the run and Osama Bin Laden is dead."
I hope this helps.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+terrorist+has+obama+killed&rlz=1C1GIGM_enUS544US544&oq=how+many+terriroust+obmam&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.5587j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Dead bodies don`t lie.
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What does that have to do w anything? Obama is going to war w Syria over an alleged chemical attack. The people who benefit from this the most are islamist terrorists and al quaeda. No one disputes this
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What does that have to do w anything? Obama is going to war w Syria over an alleged chemical attack. The people who benefit from this the most are islamist terrorists and al quaeda. No one disputes this
33, do you think this was an 'inside job' or do you think the syrian govt actually did it, knowing full well it'd bring US bombs onto their heads?
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33, do you think this was an 'inside job' or do you think the syrian govt actually did it, knowing full well it'd bring US bombs onto their heads?
I think the rebels did it since they are losing bad and know the only way that ghetto piece of trash would intervene was a chemical attack.
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I hope this helps.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+terrorist+has+obama+killed&rlz=1C1GIGM_enUS544US544&oq=how+many+terriroust+obmam&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.5587j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Dead bodies don`t lie.
Again, not at all.
Pretty amazing what a "decimated" Al Qaeda an accomplish.
Intercepted al Qaeda message led to shuttering embassies, consulates
By Barbara Starr. Chris Lawrence and Tom Cohen, CNN
updated 10:05 PM EDT, Sun August 4, 2013
(CNN) -- An intercepted message among senior al Qaeda operatives in the last several days raised alarm bells that led to the closing of embassies and consulates Sunday across the Middle East and North Africa, CNN has learned.
CNN has agreed to a request from an Obama administration official not to publish or broadcast additional details because of the sensitivity of the information.
Several U.S. officials also emphasized they have been watching growing threats emerging from Yemen for weeks.
Those threats, combined with the coming end of the month of Ramadan, plus the concern over several major prison breaks in the region, all contributed to the U.S. decision to shut down diplomatic installations.
Officials shuttered 22 U.S. embassies and consulates for the day on Sunday amid fears of an al Qaeda attack. On Sunday afternoon, the State Department said it had extended embassy and consulate closures in 15 of the locations until Friday and added four other posts to the list.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/04/politics/us-embassies-close
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The entire Obama presidency is smoke and mirrors. Its a house of cards based on tricks and distractions.
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I think the rebels did it since they are losing bad and know the only way that ghetto piece of trash would intervene was a chemical attack.
Oh, you THINK they did it? But you have zero evidence?
We hit saddam because we thought he was HIDING some WMD> I mean, he let us search his presidentical BATHROOMS for stuff we never found but still - war was justified, baby.
Unless you have proof of this wild conspiracy theory that the rebels somehow obtained and used WMD, um, the war is justified dude.
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Again, not at all.
Pretty amazing what a "decimated" Al Qaeda an accomplish.
Intercepted al Qaeda message led to shuttering embassies, consulates
By Barbara Starr. Chris Lawrence and Tom Cohen, CNN
updated 10:05 PM EDT, Sun August 4, 2013
(CNN) -- An intercepted message among senior al Qaeda operatives in the last several days raised alarm bells that led to the closing of embassies and consulates Sunday across the Middle East and North Africa, CNN has learned.
CNN has agreed to a request from an Obama administration official not to publish or broadcast additional details because of the sensitivity of the information.
Several U.S. officials also emphasized they have been watching growing threats emerging from Yemen for weeks.
Those threats, combined with the coming end of the month of Ramadan, plus the concern over several major prison breaks in the region, all contributed to the U.S. decision to shut down diplomatic installations.
Officials shuttered 22 U.S. embassies and consulates for the day on Sunday amid fears of an al Qaeda attack. On Sunday afternoon, the State Department said it had extended embassy and consulate closures in 15 of the locations until Friday and added four other posts to the list.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/04/politics/us-embassies-close
Crybaby, you had the highest ranking Republicans urging the closure. This is a non partisan issue. Only a moron would see it differently.
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True Anus's 'evidence' that obama has 'decimated al qaeda' is all the mugshots they show every so often in the news of raggedy looking arab guys titled 'top al qaeda 'leiutenant'(rofl) killed' . That's his 'bodycount' and 'evidence'. Hahahhahah talk about gullible.
Meanwhile its apparent every day that militant islamists are only spreading, from nigeria, mali, libya, still blowing shit up in afghanistan and iraq, hell they are in indonesia and the philippines too, and now infesting syria...but hey, TA saw on the news that obama got 'another top al qaeda lietenant' so we must be on the verge of wiping them out! Hahahhahahhahahaha oh brother.
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Crybaby, you had the highest ranking Republicans urging the closure. This is a non partisan issue. Only a moron would see it differently.
Yes, Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaeda is on the run. Decimated. lol
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terror attacks are DOWN in number.
SO yes, killing them is working. I think 'decimated' is a terrible way to describe it. But for anyone to say obama's had ZERO impact, i have to disagree there
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True Anus's 'evidence' that obama has 'decimated al qaeda' is all the mugshots they show every so often in the news of raggedy looking arab guys titled 'top al qaeda 'leiutenant'(rofl) killed' . That's his 'bodycount' and 'evidence'. Hahahhahah talk about gullible.
Meanwhile its apparent every day that militant islamists are only spreading, from nigeria, mali, libya, still blowing shit up in afghanistan and iraq, hell they are in indonesia and the philippines too, and now infesting syria...but hey, TA saw on the news that obama got 'another top al qaeda lietenant' so we must be on the verge of wiping them out! Hahahhahahhahahaha oh brother.
So let me get this straight, if you don`t kill them, they don`t spread? ???
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So let me get this straight, if you don`t kill them, they don`t spread? ???
They will spread either way. Its the nature of islam, always has been. I'm all for eradicating these people, but right now they are doing a fine job killing each other. the fact is is that Syria poses no threat to our national security whatsoever, and there is no reason whatsoever to get involved there commiting taxpayers money and american lives.
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Ok, so the evidence they have that assad is responsible is an intercepted phone call: Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people.”
So they're asking WTF and that's our proof they gave the order? ::)
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/27/exclusive_us_spies_say_intercepted_calls_prove_syrias_army_used_nerve_gas
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Ok, so the evidence they have that assad is responsible is an intercepted phone call: Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people.”
So they're asking WTF and that's our proof they gave the order? ::)
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/27/exclusive_us_spies_say_intercepted_calls_prove_syrias_army_used_nerve_gas
Hugo,
We must speak the truth about terror, dude. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks.
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Hugo,
We must speak the truth about terror, dude. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks.
I have a conspiracy theory. there is no real Assad. Look at all of his photos... They all look like life size cardboard cutouts lol...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Bashar_and_Asma_al-Assad.jpg/220px-Bashar_and_Asma_al-Assad.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Dmitry_Medvedev_in_Syria_10_May_2010-5.jpeg/220px-Dmitry_Medvedev_in_Syria_10_May_2010-5.jpeg)