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I was in Yugoslavia back then. I really loved the Serbs.
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I know a few Serbs.
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We love you back Arce :D
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The Serbs loved us, the USA. They loved us, USMC.
To this day, I still do NOT know what really happened. Did the Serbs get set up with that market bombing? USA and NATO turned on the Serbs. It really bothers me.
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The Serbs loved us, the USA. They loved us, USMC.
To this day, I still do NOT know what really happened. Did the Serbs get set up with that market bombing? USA and NATO turned on the Serbs. It really bothers me.
I do believe so, similar to what is happening in Syria, what happened in Iraq, Libya. American foreign policy is best described in the movie Wag the Dog.
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Galeniko, when you get a chance, please tell me what you think took place.
OZ, great post.
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http://www.unc.edu/depts/europe/teachingresources/balkan-crisis.pdf
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Yeah, ask a Serb who was responsible for that and I'm sure you'll get an unbiased answer. :-\
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Who had the most to gain from that market fiasco though? NOT the Serbs.
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From my experiences with serbs they will stop at nothing to further their own personal gain i wouldn't put setting this up past them
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Who had the most to gain from that market fiasco though? NOT the Serbs.
Are you kidding?
All it takes is a relatively quick search to see just how far the JNA (Yugoslav National Army, comprising of mostly hard core Serb nationalists and fanatics), went to avoid its neighbors from claiming their independence.
Croatia, Dubrovnik's 1000+ year old walls slammed with artillery from JNA warships as well as several other coastal cities destroyed. These walls stood for years and years prior to being shelled by the Yugoslav (Serb) army.
“If you want to see heaven on earth, come to Dubrovnik.” – George Bernard Shaw, Irish playwright but, more importantly, co-founder of the London School of Economics
Heaven on earth to everyone but Serb psychos.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Bombardment_of_Dubrovnik_Croatia_by_Yugoslav_Peoples_Army_on_6_December_1991.jpg)
(http://www.lindsayfincher.com/news/dubrovnik_1991.jpg)
(http://unconqueredbosnia.tripod.com/DubrovnikGIF1.html)
Yugoslav (Serb) tanks roll into Croatia, Vukovar. Serb ultra nationalists completely gutted the city.
(http://croatia.org/crown/content_images/vukovar/heroji/1/vukovar_heroes_Vukovar-008.JPG)
The aftermath:
(http://croatia.org/crown/content_images/vukovar/heroji/9/Vukovar-062.jpg)
(http://croatia.org/crown/content_images/vukovar/tokyo08/stambuk_o_vukovaru_tokyo_st_ignatius_16_11_08.jpg)
Spreading the brotherly love around in Vukovar. Serb soilders posing with dead local.(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tX1TDrCrEQI/URUd3bYsxDI/AAAAAAAAXZU/x0J3BGOcPI8/s1600/smece.jpg)
Areas of Croatia Krajina region subjected to cleansing and displacing of locals. Serbs want to claim it as their own land. Innumerable attacks, rapes, killings and all well documented by the international community and you think these guys are worried about bad press from a market bombing?
The whole notion that Bosnians, Croats, Sloven, etc.. shelled themselves for sympathy is laughable when there are countless of reports that show otherwise.
In no way am I painting all Serbs with one brush as there are those that are great but in these circumstances lets not start drawing some conspiracy where there isn't one.
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have a look who did Serbs fight against in Bosnia
this shows what Serbs went through in Croatia in WW2 and almost the same thing happened in 90'
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this shows what Serbs went through in Croatia in WW2 and almost the same thing happened in 90'
Keep dreaming....while you're at it why don't you go back a 1000 years while ignoring a relatively recent past. This thread was taking about 1991, not 1945.
The same thing almost happened in 1990? What a ridiculous accusation. There are a TON of Serbs living in Croatia that are trying to impose there own script, atonomy etc...yeah, they have such a terrible time over there. ::)
The FACT remains, not one of Serbia's neighbors attacked it during the fall of Yugoslavia. In fact it was only the Serb dominated Yugoslav army that had the resources and will for attacking Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, in an attempt to try and carve out areas of Serb control in territories that did not belong to them.
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Keep dreaming....while you're at it why don't you go back a 1000 years while ignoring a relatively recent past. This thread was taking about 1991, not 1945.
The same thing almost happened in 1990? What a ridiculous accusation. There are a TON of Serbs living in Croatia that are trying to impose there own script, atonomy etc...yeah, they have such a terrible time over there. ::)
The FACT remains, not one of Serbia's neighbors attacked it during the fall of Yugoslavia. In fact it was only the Serb dominated Yugoslav army that had the resources and will for attacking Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, in an attempt to try and carve out areas of Serb control in territories that did not belong to them.
Ok Croat, keep your'facts' for yourself. Let people like Arch learn the background of Balkan conflicts.
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Olympics --> hell on earth. A lesson for us who think we're above such behaviour. :-\
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I'm not Croatian. I just deal with facts, you should try and do the same.
Excellent, than it is a time to get your facts right
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Excellent, than it is a time to get your facts right
Perhaps if you guys didn't cause shit by attacking everyone around you, you wouldn't have to deal with the repercussions. There's a reason you guys got bombed by the States into the stone age.
Ok Croat, keep your'facts' for yourself. Let people like Arch learn the background of Balkan conflicts.
Yup, nationalist nutjobs like you are good at painting everyone else around you as the bad guy meanwhile....
Both Croatia and Serbia had pro-Axis governments during World War II. All of the nations of Yugoslavia had elements which supported the Axis and all had elements that were anti-Axis during the War. However, it was the Croatian dominated Partisans, led by the Croatian Josip Broz Tito which formed the only true anti-Fascist fighting force in Yugoslavia and the most formidable Allied force in occupied Europe during World War II.
Hundreds of thousands of Croatians joined the Partisans and thirty-nine of the Partisan's eighty brigades were Croatian. On June 22, 1941 Croatian Partisans began what would come to be known as the War of Liberation in Yugoslavia. On July 13, 1943 a Democratic Republic of Croatia under the leadership of Andrija Hebrang was declared in those areas occupied by the Croatian Partisan forces. As the war progressed more and more Croatians, especially from Dalmatia, joined the Partisans. Serbs joined in great numbers late in the War as entire Cetnik units changed their allegiance. By 1943 Allied support shifted to Tito and by 1944 the Partisans were the only recognized Allied force fighting in Yugoslavia
Belgrade first city to claim itself "Jew Free".
Serbian postage tamps that reflect the claim from WW2 era. Notice the Serbian script, star of David on the snake.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/Judenfrei_serbia_stamps.gif)
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blindare dundat, stop it.zavezi for fuck sake
i dont think oz is serbian, neither am i btw.
belrade first jew-free.please.why not state that this happened under a puppet nazi government.
while croatia as a whole was hitlers ally-lapdog.
all sides done bad things, very few profited.most suffered and arent better off than before the war.
it is what it is.
He is trying hard ;D
Can't bother to argue with him any more, I am anything but nationalist but hate when people twist historic facts.
This is my last post on this topic, it is too sad to talk about. Much better watching your clips :D
sent you an email with pics
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blindare dundat, stop it.zavezi for fuck sake
i dont think oz is serbian, neither am i btw.
belrade first jew-free.please.why not state that this happened under a puppet nazi government.
while croatia as a whole was hitlers ally-lapdog.
all sides done bad things, very few profited.most suffered and arent better off than before the war.
it is what it is.
I see, so one was a lapdog and the other was a puppet. But the other side couldn't be a puppet, right?
Anyway, you know me by now. We were able to have a small discussion about this in another thread and it stayed diplomatic. I don't have any personal ties to the matter to have it mean to much to me but when peoples obvious bias distorts history they should be corrected.
Just please keep it English will ya, didn't want to start translating shit. lol
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yeah lets leave the nationalist provocations to blindare dundat, im not playing, not falling for this.not interested.
all nationalist, serbs,croats, whatever, are filth.,
jugoslavia all the way.
thats it last reply to this topic.
sorry, the truth hurts. :P
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Balkan history considers Roman Catholic clergy responsible for the death of 1,000,000 Serbs, Jews, and Roma, killed in the concentration camp Jasenovac, given the Church's close relationship with the Nazi-affiliated Independent State of Croatia, as well as the forcible conversions of 240,000 Serbian Orthodox to Roman Catholicism.
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Balkan history considers Roman Catholic clergy responsible for the death of 1,000,000 Serbs, Jews, and Roma, killed in the concentration camp Jasenovac, given the Church's close relationship with the Nazi-affiliated Independent State of Croatia, as well as the forcible conversions of 240,000 Serbian Orthodox to Roman Catholicism.
Yes, there is no doubt that the Ustase were responsible for some of the worst atrocities during the 1940's. I clearly stated that BOTH sides were guilty of colluding with the axis forces. However, even at their peek in popularity, Ustase were a minority faction with a membership of roughly only 30,000.
What is unfortunate is that the actions of a minority completely eclipse the actions of the overwhelming majority who formed resisting factions that fought to oust German and Italian occupying forces.
It's pretty sad that some Croatians and Serbs just cannot be honest about their past. To suggest that Serb Cetniks were not guilty of working with Axis forces and were not guilty of mass extermination of Jews and Croats, gypsies, etc... is a laughable notion. It is well documented and the "using the enemy", or "puppet government not associated with actions" defense just doesn't fit the actual narrative of the past. Although I am not a fan of Wikipedia, it actually does quite a fair job of revisiting the accounts of that time and leading up to the present.
War brings out the worst of worst. It pitted Croat against Serb, Serb against Serb, Croat against Croat throughout its history as well as others in the area. It destroyed families and the effects feed the extremists in both camps even today. It is possible to have a healthy debate but it means being completely honest and not cherry picking events.
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I can't wait for Wiggs to show up with evidence that all Yugoslavs were black ;D
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I can't wait for Wiggs to show up with evidence that all Yugoslavs were black ;D
lol!
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I fought in both Croatia and Bosnia (UNPROFOR and Operation Deliberate Force)- we were "supposed" to be posted there as peacekeepers, but got attacked each time...
THE SIMPLE ANSWER is ALL parties were guilty of atrocities, but SERBIA was the aggressor in not allowing independence for each state!
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I fought in both Croatia and Bosnia (UNPROFOR and Operation Deliberate Force)- we were "supposed" to be posted there as peacekeepers, but got attacked each time...
THE SIMPLE ANSWER is ALL parties were guilty of atrocities, but SERBIA was the aggressor in not allowing independence for each state!
Could you tell us a bit about what areas you were active in for Croatia and Bosnia? I would be interested in knowing what type of situations you might have found yourself in as you seem to have first hand experience.
but SERBIA was the aggressor in not allowing independence for each state!
This is what I tried to convey in my earlier post when I stated that in no time was Serbia ever invaded by its neighbors and that it was Serbian nationalists/extreemists that attacked Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, but apparently I'm the one that's a provocateur and needs the history lesson.
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Thank you very much.
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Listen arce, all parties were wrong in this war, we re discussng here who bombed the market? its actually not important, considering you need to know the whole agenda behing yugoslavia. But ill try to anwser, there is no proof to this day who bombed it, but at that time, bosnians were taking ground from the serbs,, it wasnt in the interest of bosnians to end the war at that time.
Before you want to know what why and what really happened there you need 120 hours of research. Its too big to explain, but its connected to the british, just like the brits are in charge of america. btw tito was a british agent.
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Listen arce, all parties were wrong in this war,
All parties are guilty of all manner of things of varying degrees but had those countries that are independent now just been allowed to do so without resistance a lot of the tragedies would have been avoided.
Its too big to explain, but its connected to the british, just like the brits are in charge of america. btw tito was a british agent.
I have my own theory on this but where are you going with this connection? How does it fit in?
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Before you want to know what why and what really happened there you need 120 hours of research. Its too big to explain, but its connected to the british, just like the brits are in charge of america. btw tito was a british agent.
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I would like to know too. Thanks.
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My theory is, Tito was a double, perhaps even triple agent, under ultimate control of either the British or the Papacy, maybe even both.
Given Tito’s past bloody purge of original and dedicated Communists a priori the establishment of the Yugoslavian Communist state, and his unwillingness to align with the Soviets, it is unlikely Tito was some sort of Soviet plant, but rather a left-over of old, even ancient power struggles between powers that existed long before Communism ever entered the picture.
Once again, explanations of international relations must not be limited to contemporaneous or recent history.
http://20committee.com/2012/07/10/was-tito-really-tito/
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Stari_Most22.jpg/800px-Stari_Most22.jpg)
Great rush to jump off of this bridge
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I have my own theory on this but where are you going with this connection? How does it fit in?
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whats your theory?
Its quite simple,To my opinion yugoslavia was just one fry in a big king xxx meny, brits wanted to take control of the country, its located on a strategic place of the world, quite important, ex-yu are now allies of the west, i think kosovo is now the closest us military base to moscow, not sure.
But you need to go further in to this nwo scam, i believe they want to make us robots. I rather trust scollars like nietsche that agree on this, than lying politicians.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Stari_Most22.jpg/800px-Stari_Most22.jpg)
Great rush to jump off of this bridge
Yup Mostar. Beautiful pic.
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I have my own theory on this but where are you going with this connection? How does it fit in?
whats your theory?
Its quite simple,To my opinion yugoslavia was just one fry in a big king xxx meny, brits wanted to take control of the country, its located on a strategic place of the world, quite important, ex-yu are now allies of the west, i think kosovo is now the closest us military base to moscow, not sure.
But you need to go further in to this nwo scam, i believe they want to make us robots. I rather trust scollars like nietsche that agree on this, than lying politicians.
Interesting. If you feel like it could you expand a bit more on this?
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Interesting. If you feel like it could you expand a bit more on this?
this guy explaines it very well, its a long video, just watch 20 first minutes. michael is highly intelligent and knows how to express it in words.
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Stari Most
Loved it
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Could you tell us a bit about what areas you were active in for Croatia and Bosnia? I would be interested in knowing what type of situations you might have found yourself in as you seem to have first hand experience.
This is what I tried to convey in my earlier post when I stated that in no time was Serbia ever invaded by its neighbors and that it was Serbian nationalists/extreemists that attacked Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, but apparently I'm the one that's a provocateur and needs the history lesson.
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1) In Croatia, mostly Medak/Gospic area and surrounding villages (also briefly Vukovar)... In Bosnia mostly Sarajevo and outlying areas...
2) The situations I found myself in are for the most part horrible, send me a PM if you really want to know more...
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05b_1380018503