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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2013, 11:23:48 AM
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We've all seen the use of those cameras to bust people running red lights, and mail them tickets. Sometimes, it's even cops getting those tickets -and they pay them.
I just saw they're starting to use them on STOP SIGNS.
Is this a good idea for safety, or a terrible idea for being too intrusive? IMO, anyone who is okay with them on red lights (I'm not) should be okay with them on stop signs - same principle.
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Well considering that any traffic camera is instantly accessible for the alphabet agencies tracking systems, and that they want it so they can track anyone they feel the need yo effectively, I can imagine its only a matter of time until they literally have cameras everywhere.
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Well considering that any traffic camera is instantly accessible for the alphabet agencies tracking systems, and that they want it so they can track anyone they feel the need yo effectively, I can imagine its only a matter of time until they literally have cameras everywhere.
We had van cams here. The people revolted. Didn't last more than a year. Hated those things.
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We've all seen the use of those cameras to bust people running red lights, and mail them tickets. Sometimes, it's even cops getting those tickets -and they pay them.
I just saw they're starting to use them on STOP SIGNS.
Is this a good idea for safety, or a terrible idea for being too intrusive? IMO, anyone who is okay with them on red lights (I'm not) should be okay with them on stop signs - same principle.
given that the US government is busy mass snooping and post people are more concerned at the crimes of the whistleblowers than what they have exposed why would people get put out by a few traffic light cameras ?
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Like I said, this shit is going too far. Its a slippery slope. This permissive attitude as a full on police state is being slowly built up around us is sickening. I don't understand it
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Like I said, this shit is going too far. Its a slippery slope. This permissive attitude as a full on police state is being slowly built up around us is sickening. I don't understand it
240 can speak to this as he is a perfect example of someone who feels "if you aren't doing anything wrong, why be concerned?"
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Good responses by all. And yes, those "Van Cams" were obliterated by righteous citizens, loved it.
This is:
A.) Another attempt to squeeze more revenue out of already broke citizens
B.)A way to keep track of people.
That is all.
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Good responses by all. And yes, those "Van Cams" were obliterated by righteous citizens, loved it.
This is:
A.) Another attempt to squeeze more revenue out of already broke citizens
B.)A way to keep track of people.
That is all.
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Good responses by all. And yes, those "Van Cams" were obliterated by righteous citizens, loved it.
This is:
A.) Another attempt to squeeze more revenue out of already broke citizens
B.)A way to keep track of people.
That is all.
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240 can speak to this as he is a perfect example of someone who feels "if you aren't doing anything wrong, why be concerned?"
disagree. I think it is funny to point out those who thought that was the case until Jan 2009.
But no, I disagree with the red light cameras, and thus, the stop sign cameras.
I don't see how someone can support/condemn ONE, and not the OTHER. You either hate both ideas, or you like both.
Additionally, anyone who was okay with Bush reading emails but frantic that obama reads them, is silly.
Tony, you have mischaracterized my position on this issue, but I feel I've explained it better now. Thanks.
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disagree. I think it is funny to point out those who thought that was the case until Jan 2009.
But no, I disagree with the red light cameras, and thus, the stop sign cameras.
I don't see how someone can support/condemn ONE, and not the OTHER. You either hate both ideas, or you like both.
Additionally, anyone who was okay with Bush reading emails but frantic that obama reads them, is silly.
Tony, you have mischaracterized my position on this issue, but I feel I've explained it better now. Thanks.
So please explain why you're ok with speed limiters on cars but against this?
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So please explain why you're ok with speed limiters on cars but against this?
I'm only okay with speed limiters on cars for those who have seriously violated speeding laws in very dangerous ways.
If you're the kinda prick that has been busted for driving 40-50 mph (over the limit) in a non-emergency event, then yes, I'd prefer if license was revoked for a year... but i'm okay with the speed limiter on your vehicle. This is only because they''ve proven to be a danger to society with a shitload of kinetic energy. driving 90 in a 45mph zone means you cannot control 1000 pounds that you're moving 132 feet per second.
Re-read my quotes on it. I'm very clear that a limiter should only be given to that rare shitbird that speeds in a highly dangerous manner. Fck that guy, he's a prick and is lucky to be driving at all.
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I'm only okay with speed limiters on cars for those who have seriously violated speeding laws in very dangerous ways.
If you're the kinda prick that has been busted for driving 40-50 mph (over the limit) in a non-emergency event, then yes, I'd prefer if license was revoked for a year... but i'm okay with the speed limiter on your vehicle. This is only because they''ve proven to be a danger to society with a shitload of kinetic energy. driving 90 in a 45mph zone means you cannot control 1000 pounds that you're moving 132 feet per second.
Re-read my quotes on it. I'm very clear that a limiter should only be given to that rare shitbird that speeds in a highly dangerous manner. Fck that guy, he's a prick and is lucky to be driving at all.
ahh so if someone has gotten ticket for running a red light or rolling a stop sign your ok with devices that would require their vehicle to come to a stop at these locations?
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ahh so if someone has gotten ticket for running a red light or rolling a stop sign your ok with devices that would require their vehicle to come to a stop at these locations?
No. I never said that. And that's really an extreme conclusion to reach on your part.
You see, a speed governor/regulator on the pedal would limit ONE person's vehicle.
The red light/stop sign thing would affect all drivers.
And really, any d1ck head that drives 40-50 mph over the speed limit on public roads... I'm surprised anyone here would support that.
Are you okay with just revoking the license for reckless driving? Screw the metal petal thingy... Just tell them to get a bicycle.
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No. I never said that. And that's really an extreme conclusion to reach on your part.
You see, a speed governor/regulator on the pedal would limit ONE person's vehicle.
The red light/stop sign thing would affect all drivers.
And really, any d1ck head that drives 40-50 mph over the speed limit on public roads... I'm surprised anyone here would support that.
Are you okay with just revoking the license for reckless driving? Screw the metal petal thingy... Just tell them to get a bicycle.
not at all, these devices could be put in the vehicles that belong to those drivers who have been given tickets for running red lights or rolling stop signs...
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not at all, these devices could be put in the vehicles that belong to those drivers who have been given tickets for running red lights or rolling stop signs...
ha...like those breathalyzer things they put in cars.
If they have such devices as that, what a fucking hoot.
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not at all, these devices could be put in the vehicles that belong to those drivers who have been given tickets for running red lights or rolling stop signs...
you believe there should be red light monitoring devices in cars? I don't understand that.
Look dude, I think driving is a privilege, not a right. I'm fine with taking away a license for drunk driving, reckless, or excessive speed. I see people leave bars drunk every night, and even after all these years, I'm still baffled at the lack of police enforcement, and the willingness of people who are shitfaced to "one eye" it on the way home. "Hey, I only live two miles from here" is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
Dangerous driving is a horrible thing and very much underpunished. If some shithead drives 90 in a 45, he doesn't deserve a licence. Personally, I'd shoot a MFer in the knee for risking life of others like that, if legal. Seriously. DOn't do that shit on public streets, you dick.
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ha...like those breathalyzer things they put in cars.
If they have such devices as that, what a fucking hoot.
exactly
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This is a weird argument.... a wimp dipshit lib like me is being much harder on criminals than a rowdy conservative like you? LOL!
Double the sentence on every person committing violence or dangerous to society crimes. cut the personal/recc drug use sentences in half. I bet things get a lot calmer and people learn not to hurt others or risk life.
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you believe there should be red light monitoring devices in cars? I don't understand that.
Look dude, I think driving is a privilege, not a right. I'm fine with taking away a license for drunk driving, reckless, or excessive speed. I see people leave bars drunk every night, and even after all these years, I'm still baffled at the lack of police enforcement, and the willingness of people who are shitfaced to "one eye" it on the way home. "Hey, I only live two miles from here" is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
Dangerous driving is a horrible thing and very much underpunished. If some shithead drives 90 in a 45, he doesn't deserve a licence. Personally, I'd shoot a MFer in the knee for risking life of others like that, if legal. Seriously. DOn't do that shit on public streets, you dick.
no I dont, but I dont think we should have speed limiters on cars either...
you however do believe we should, yet want to draw the line on this???
again you can logically put devices in cars that would require them to stop at stop signs and red lights, why would you be against those for people who have run red lights/stop signs but for speed limiters for speeders?
it makes no logical sense....
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no I dont, but I dont think we should have speed limiters on cars either...
you however do believe we should, yet want to draw the line on this???
again you can logically put devices in cars that would require them to stop at stop signs and red lights, why would you be against those for people who have run red lights/stop signs but for speed limiters for speeders?
it makes no logical sense....
okay - are you okay with suspending the licences for a year - for any driver who endangers human life with very reckless driving?
Yes, it violates his rights... but he's also violating the rights of 300 mil americans. I can't shoot a gun off in public and say "Hey, I didn't HIT anyone, you can't violate my rights". Public safety.
So you're cool with license suspending for a guy that drives 130 mph in a school zone?
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okay - are you okay with suspending the licences for a year - for any driver who endangers human life with very reckless driving?
Yes, it violates his rights... but he's also violating the rights of 300 mil americans. I can't shoot a gun off in public and say "Hey, I didn't HIT anyone, you can't violate my rights". Public safety.
So you're cool with license suspending for a guy that drives 130 mph in a school zone?
Im ok with punishing him for the crime he committed, as shitty as you may find it you cant punish someone for a crime the didnt commit.
If you want stiffer penalties for crimes thats one thing, this however is something different
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Im ok with punishing him for the crime he committed, as shitty as you may find it you cant punish someone for a crime the didnt commit.
If you want stiffer penalties for crimes thats one thing, this however is something different
you made it something diff by saying I advocated something I never did.
If someone speeds 40+ mph over limit, they HAVE committed a crime and thus should receive harsher penalties - lose license for a year or accept a gas pedal that doesn't exceed 70. Suck it up kid, you broke the law, and this is the punishment.
I oppose red light & stop sign cameras. I oppose any kind of limiter for anyone who hasn't broken the law. I was very clear about that. not really sure what we're arguing about lol
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you made it something diff by saying I advocated something I never did.
If someone speeds 40+ mph over limit, they HAVE committed a crime and thus should receive harsher penalties - lose license for a year or accept a gas pedal that doesn't exceed 70. Suck it up kid, you broke the law, and this is the punishment.
I oppose red light & stop sign cameras. I oppose any kind of limiter for anyone who hasn't broken the law. I was very clear about that. not really sure what we're arguing about lol
go back and re-read there I asked another question...
ahh so if someone has gotten ticket for running a red light or rolling a stop sign your ok with devices that would require their vehicle to come to a stop at these locations?
LOL
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A device that requires their car to come to a stop? I don't know what this device is. If we're talking about a device on a car that allows a vehicle to scan countryside for red octogons, then forces a car to stop for 3 seconds... then someone should invent this and sell it... Parents would pay a shitload of $ for a device that requires their kids to obey stop signs.
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We've all seen the use of those cameras to bust people running red lights, and mail them tickets. Sometimes, it's even cops getting those tickets -and they pay them.
I just saw they're starting to use them on STOP SIGNS.
Is this a good idea for safety, or a terrible idea for being too intrusive? IMO, anyone who is okay with them on red lights (I'm not) should be okay with them on stop signs - same principle.
They shouldn't feel obligated to be wrong on every issue just because they were wrong on one. That's a horrible way of looking at things.
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They shouldn't feel obligated to be wrong on every issue just because they were wrong on one. That's a horrible way of looking at things.
i was just saying red lights/stop signs are essentially the same thing. i dont see a big diff between cameras on one or the other.
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i was just saying red lights/stop signs are essentially the same thing. i dont see a big diff between cameras on one or the other.
Are you coming on to me?