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I say no. Onetimehard will lose alot of cash.
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No chance. He'll get sixth if he's lucky.
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Nope
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Top 10
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Top 10 ~
Not enough muscle maturity, separation, age, diet prep, etc., etc., ~
(BTW Jay won't win) ;D
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:P
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he will place behind victor martinez again
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fifth to seventh
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I say no. Onetimehard will lose alot of cash.
I agree
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Fifth or sixth place at best. He could come in big and shredded to the bone and the powers that be won't let him in the top four.
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no.
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Top 6!
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I predict 4th place exactly.
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mission impossible
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7th and $300.00 dollars.
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I predict 4th place exactly.
Take Kai and Phil out.
So lets say he's competing against Jay, Rhoden, Dexter, Wolf, Martinez again that he'll beat them all.
Hell and No. Not this year. Not enough maturity and needs more leg separation front and back along with better conditioning.
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Take Kai and Phil out.
So lets say he's competing against Jay, Rhoden, Dexter, Wolf, Martinez again that he'll beat them all.
Hell and No. Not this year. Not enough maturity and needs more leg separation front and back along with better conditioning.
I appreciate all your points, but I just think his sheer size and decent condition will bump him up past the Wolfs and dexters.
That's pretty much the extent of my argument.
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Between 6th and 10th place unless he comes in shredded..
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I appreciate all your points, but I just think his sheer size and decent condition will bump him up past the Wolfs and dexters.
That's pretty much the extent of my argument.
Wolf yes. Dexter a former Mr. O? Hell no. Dexter is too complete. He will make Ramy look 5 weeks out. Jay and Rhoden will just outright beat him. People are fooled by his size. Yes, he's huge but when he's put up against the most complete guys on the planet he will be exposed especially among the top 6. I have him 6th. 5th at best.
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I'd say the over/under is right at 4th. If his condition is lacking he will slide down.
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I appreciate all your points, but I just think his sheer size and decent condition will bump him up past the Wolfs and dexters.
That's pretty much the extent of my argument.
i agree, look how he made martinez look at the new york pro, sure he wasnt at his best but he wasnt that long from it so it would have made a huge difference. i predict 4 to
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he will place behind victor martinez again
Again? ???
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he will place behind ahead of victor martinez again
Fixed. Ramy beat him at the NYP
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I don't know what will happen. Not a Jay fan, but the snippets I've seen tell me he's gonna be better than I believed possible. Chris Aceto is the best in the business. Lots of unknowns. If Phil gets a call out with Kai, Jay and Ramy if nails it, he's gonna look "small". Plus, Dexter is always ready come Olympia time and the guy everyone is sleeping on, Victor Martinez I suspect is going to be much improved from New York. I think, he was still growing coming into New York and my guess is he'll have much more size come Olympia time. I would love to see Dennis Wolf nail it and get an early call out. To me, most anticipated Olympia since 98.
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Def best Mr O in a decade
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funny how no one mentions branch anymore
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funny how no one mentions branch anymore
Who ???
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funny how no one mentions branch anymore
Branch is pretty worn down looking.
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I say no. Onetimehard will lose alot of cash.
Will place 3rd over Jay in 4th...
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Branch is pretty worn down looking.
Has been for quite a while now...
Funny how Jose Raymond thinks he will ever beat Flex, Jose is starting to look pretty burnt also.
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top3
Hell no, you got Phil, Kai, Jay he won't beat any of them.
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Branch is pretty worn down looking.
Has always looked worse than smashed assholes.
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Top 5 in my opinion and I mean 5th place.
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Of course!!!
A couple of guys are off.. He is the most promising.
If Shaun Rodent can sneak up there Ramy can too. Ramy has way more muscle, on paper at least
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funny how no one mentions branch anymore
Yeah .. Funny as in "good" or "joyous".
Basically no one wants him to win Mr O and doesn't want hype brought his way in case of impressionable schmoe judges are reading threads here.
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I predict 4th place exactly.
My thought exactly, even if he probably deserves a better placing.
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I predict 4th place exactly.
This been saying it all along! Possibly 3rd!
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he will place behind victor martinez again
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=New+York+Pro+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013
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Def best Mr O in a decade
True.
This is the best line up since I don't know when.
I started following the Olympia online about 05/06.
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Top 4, only in dreams ;D
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Gets 3 or 4th. Jay will look small when he stands behind ramy and ramys small waist will destroy him. Phil will have a big mid section and will come in soft. Will look like an iphone compared to an ipad. Victor was small in the ny pro and will remain small.to bad its already over for him. Rhodens dream run is over. No top 5 for him. Just too small. Ramy will DESTROY wolf. Both have same bone structure and if you recollect, wolf came in like 15 pounds underweight for his frame in yhe last O. For Branch its all on the condition he gets on, can definitely break in top 5 if hes spot on. Will be between Kai and Ramy for the 2 nd. Final callout will be Ramy Kai Heath
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funny how no one mentions branch anymore
Hopefully he won't make the top 10 ,and take away a deserving placing from someone else!
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yeah,he can make top 4,a lot depends on what jay looks like.
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Def best Mr O in a decade
Fuck yea.
1-- Ramy has something none of the others have: Sponsors/ promotors with 'deep pockets'. I would not be surprised if there becomes a new Middle East "O". Think the competition is healthy. Think it is refreshing to see interested parties join who have unlimited financial resources. Think it is great to see the sport 'take off' in the right direction.
2-- Weider needs an injection of real finances. We are talking buying and selling the "O".
3-- I think Ramy brings a freshness and excitement to the "O". Expand your horizons--
personally I would like to see the guy win it. The GB Bros have more experience about physique
critique than the Doc.
4-- Let's face it. I would much rather see Ramy and Ramy's sponsors and the values that the Muslim faith stands for as opposed to folks like Ed Conners-- who 'is gonna change the face of bodybuilding' and simultaneously is looking for young bodybuilder cock. I think Conners is fucking disgusting. NO HOMO.
I hope Ramy wins. I hope the world of bodybuilding gets a massive monetary 'transfusion'.
5-- P.S. Doc got the last VIP ticket!!!
NO HOMO
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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phil is always the sharpest of the top guys,leanest and dryiest, consistenlty.
and he doesnt come with big midsection, his waist is retty tight.
look, even the pros themselves say its impossible to say until contest day, until they line up.
so far, cutlers conditioning looks better than ramys, but this is now, 2-3 weeks out, this can change overnight, one fuck up on something and everything changes.
but,i do think ramy will be top 3 and yes,im aware rhoden, cutler,kay and phil will be there, but i still say top 3.
i dont see why rami couldnt beat kai and cutler.vs phil,itll be hard, phil is 3weeks out sooo freaking full and dense still, nothing can go wrong it seems
Its all about who's going to sell the products and magazines.
New faces are due so Rami has a great chance of a placing, I think Brandon Curry will do well this year.
I think Dexter will slip down the placings this year, you can only read so many articles on a bodybuilder before it becomes boring.
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He looks like shit.
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phil is always the sharpest of the top guys,leanest and dryiest, consistenlty.
and he doesnt come with big midsection, his waist is retty tight.
look, even the pros themselves say its impossible to say until contest day, until they line up.
so far, cutlers conditioning looks better than ramys, but this is now, 2-3 weeks out, this can change overnight, one fuck up on something and everything changes.
but,i do think ramy will be top 3 and yes,im aware rhoden, cutler,kay and phil will be there, but i still say top 3.
i dont see why rami couldnt beat kai and cutler.vs phil,itll be hard, phil is 3weeks out sooo freaking full and dense still, nothing can go wrong it seems
This is what I'm saying. People call me crazy for predicting a 4th place for Ramy....thing is its a definite possibility.
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With DJ in his corner hes bound to fuck it up on contest day.
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With DJ in his corner hes bound to fuck it up on contest day.
That's a valid point.
Wish he would go with Farrah or Aceto.
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Take Kai and Phil out.
So lets say he's competing against Jay, Rhoden, Dexter, Wolf, Martinez again that he'll beat them all.
Hell and No. Not this year. Not enough maturity and needs more leg separation front and back along with better conditioning.
plz define muscle maturity and post a pic. of a certain bbr before reaching it then later after achieving it ::)
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if ramy comes at the same shape he presented in NY i think he deserves to come in 3rd or 4th depending on the condition of the other guys.. if he improves he will be 2nd or 3rd depending of how phil and kai look.. if he presented a worse package than NY he will be punished badly will take a worse place than what he deserves..
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plz define muscle maturity and post a pic. of a certain bbr before reaching it then later after achieving it ::)
;)
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if ramy comes at the same shape he presented in NY i think he deserves to come in 3rd or 4th depending on the condition of the other guys.. if he improves he will be 2nd or 3rd depending of how phil and kai look.. if he presented a worse package than NY he will be punished badly will take a worse place than what he deserves..
lol 3rd or 4th ::)
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lol, comeon, the difference there is couple lbs of fat and water
look at serratus
No it's more quality muscle that took years to accumulate , Zane is heavier in the bottom pic , in the top pic lean him out he'd be a 140lbs
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well, leave wiggs alone and believe a fellow black hebrews word on the topic, shawn ray believes in muscle maturity, he described it once quite well, has most to do with skin, according to him.
shawn ray is a good source i think
yes this is why he looked the same for 15 years or so ::)
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;)
this is muscle completeness after adding more size.. anyone in the world who starts lifting weights sure will keep adding size till he reaches his limit.. after reaching this limit nothing can be done.. his muscles will be the same till he starts to age then will start to lose the size gradually.. nothing is called muscles maturity..
this describes why many bbrs reached their very best shapes very early in their careers although they kept competing for so many years after that..
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so he gained muscle but his stomach got smaller meanwhile?
the difference there is bodyfat.in the above hes clearly fatter.
legs and stomach look flat out bloated
Of course he gained muscle and lost water and fat , he also added a lot of quality muscle over the years. You lean him out in the top pic he wouldn't be anywhere near the bottom pic. He's be much smaller
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No it's more quality muscle that took years to accumulate , Zane is heavier in the bottom pic , in the top pic lean him out he'd be a 140lbs
yes because he took more drugs and trained more and more..
anyone will add size after starting to take drugs or increase them.. this is not "maturity"..
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i bet anyone really understand what is muscles maturity.. it's a term that is used by the "experts" of the magazines and assholes repeat it without thinking..
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He will crack 10th place.
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I believe Ramy will overwhelm with his sheer size if he comes in ripped! As far as muscle maturity you will know what it looks like when he is compared to Phil, Kai, Jay etc!
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I believe Ramy will overwhelm with his sheer size if he comes in ripped! As far as muscle maturity you will know what it looks like when he is compared to Phil, Kai, Jay etc!
lol so jay now has gained this maturity over his shape in 2001??.. to me in 2001 he looked fresher and healthier.. now he looks more unbalanced and his body looks exhusted.. may be this is the maturity you guys are talking about but can't give one example of :-X
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lol so jay now has gained this maturity over his shape in 2001??.. to me in 2001 he looked fresher and healthier.. now he looks more unbalanced and his body looks exhusted.. may be this is the maturity you guys are talking about but can't give one example of :-X
It is a very bro-sciency term isn't it...
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good point, dj could mess all the prep up within 1 day.
when a guy is doing everything right, there will always be some experts gathering around and giving advice to the unecesarily confused guy whos right on track, and it always ends up in a failure.
dj has terrible track record on himself, how could he help anyone is beyond me.
but many ppl forget or arent aware, that one time early in career, dj nailed the conditioning, dead on, his best ever.
the one where he had sucked in gut and almost dead face look.
Are you on the crack pipe? I said the same thing about DJ fucking him up and you went off on a rant at how amazing he is getting in contest shape. Now you agree he can fuck him up. Tsk. Tsk..
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yes because he took more drugs and trained more and more..
anyone will add size after starting to take drugs or increase them.. this is not "maturity"..
Because he trained more and more yes , because he took more drugs no. More size doesn't always equate to quality size. and it's not like Frank Zane went from 150-210lbs and you don't even know if he did more drugs , that's just speculation on your behalf
Muscle maturity is an appearance of the muscle , it has to do with quality and how the muscles ti-in together how they look like they've been trained constantly for years on end. and polished complete look. And it doesn't really have anything to do with age because Shawn Ray had great muscle maturity when he first turned pro in his early 20s but he looked like he was a seasoned pro with the level of quality he showed.
Take a look at this photo , Shawn Ray winning the nationals at just 21 , his physique is what they would say shows a lot of ' muscle maturity ' despite the fact he wasn't lifting that long , his physique is high-quality , very polished and complete. Ironically that's the rub with Shawn Ray is he never really improved he won the nationals at 196lbs and competed at 205lbs , he refined his physique a tad more and worked on his posing but he really didn't change.
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lol so jay now has gained this maturity over his shape in 2001??.. to me in 2001 he looked fresher and healthier.. now he looks more unbalanced and his body looks exhusted.. may be this is the maturity you guys are talking about but can't give one example of :-X
I actually gave you a great example of it with Frank Zane but as usual you don't get it :-\ and I agree with you Jay looked eons better in 01 than anything he showed again maybe sans 09
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Because he trained more and more yes , because he took more drugs no. More size doesn't always equate to quality size. and it's not like Frank Zane went from 150-210lbs and you don't even know if he did more drugs , that's just speculation on your behalf
Muscle maturity is an appearance of the muscle , it has to do with quality and how the muscles ti-in together how they look like they've been trained constantly for years on end. and polished complete look. And it doesn't really have anything to do with age because Shawn Ray had great muscle maturity when he first turned pro in his early 20s but he looked like he was a seasoned pro with the level of quality he showed.
Take a look at this photo , Shawn Ray winning the nationals at just 21 , his physique is what they would say shows a lot of ' muscle maturity ' despite the fact he wasn't lifting that long , his physique is high-quality , very polished and complete. Ironically that's the rub with Shawn Ray is he never really improved he won the nationals at 196lbs and competed at 205lbs , he refined his physique a tad more and worked on his posing but he really didn't change.
Looks like shit and a asshole.
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;)
one of the dumbest posts of all time
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Because he trained more and more yes , because he took more drugs no. More size doesn't always equate to quality size. and it's not like Frank Zane went from 150-210lbs and you don't even know if he did more drugs , that's just speculation on your behalf
Muscle maturity is an appearance of the muscle , it has to do with quality and how the muscles ti-in together how they look like they've been trained constantly for years on end. and polished complete look. And it doesn't really have anything to do with age because Shawn Ray had great muscle maturity when he first turned pro in his early 20s but he looked like he was a seasoned pro with the level of quality he showed.
Take a look at this photo , Shawn Ray winning the nationals at just 21 , his physique is what they would say shows a lot of ' muscle maturity ' despite the fact he wasn't lifting that long , his physique is high-quality , very polished and complete. Ironically that's the rub with Shawn Ray is he never really improved he won the nationals at 196lbs and competed at 205lbs , he refined his physique a tad more and worked on his posing but he really didn't change.
sorry i didnt read your post knowing it's full of nonsense and meaningless argument only to try to prove your point (which deep inside you i am sure you dont believe in).. give me a better example than these 2 pics of zane where one of them was off season at the beginning of his career and the other was contest form after he had won one of his olympia victories!!!!...
after reaching the size limit what happens to the muscle to gain this maturity??.. answer with some sense or just say sorry ok..
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are there pics of yourself,i have underlying feeling that you dont understand this training thing very well
the only parts he trains are his fingers typing on his keyboard.. his ronnie vs. dorian truth thread alone is enough to make his fingers strong with muscle maturity whatever that means :-X
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Are you on the crack pipe? I said the same thing about DJ fucking him up and you went off on a rant at how amazing he is getting in contest shape. Now you agree he can fuck him up. Tsk. Tsk..
DJ should have learnt from his mistakes. There is a possibility, a huge one that Ramy will turn up in the best shape of his career, good enough to take out a lot of former Mr Os'. ;)
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sorry i didnt read your post knowing it's full of nonsense and meaningless argument only to try to prove your point (which deep inside you i am sure you dont believe in).. give me a better example than these 2 pics of zane where one of them was off season at the beginning of his career and the other was contest form after he had won one of his olympia victories!!!!...
after reaching the size limit what happens to the muscle to gain this maturity??.. answer with some sense or just say sorry ok..
My ass you didn't read it ;) and I knew before I posted a response you were going to say something to the contrary no matter what I typed , it's a typical move from you. It's already been explained to you what muscle maturity is , and as usual you just don't get it. I used to think it's because English is not your native language but I know understand that you're just an idiot. :D
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i hope he only has dj as motivational trainer and maybe drug deliverer, while not listening to any advice for the last few days.
he should rather risk coming dead flat instead of trying any magic tricks.hes soooo big enough anyway.
i have a friend who almost never came in shape when i competed but he is coaching some of the best bodybuilders in sweden and they all come in shape always. He is really knowledgebla (lol sp?) But somehow never dialed in when he was on stage.
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i have a friend who almost never came in shape when i competed but he is coaching some of the best bodybuilders in sweden and they all come in shape always. He is really knowledgebla (lol sp?) But somehow never dialed in when he was on stage.
lack of willpower?
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sounds so, its always down to that eventualy
Yep, the tools are there, anyone can use them if they have the willpower to do it.
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the only parts he trains are his fingers typing on his keyboard.. his ronnie vs. dorian truth thread alone is enough to make his fingers strong with muscle maturity whatever that means :-X
Awww I love when you get angry ;D
Haven't we been through this before?
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Awww I love when you get angry ;D
Haven't we been through this before?
Show us your cock so we know it's the real you.
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i hope he only has dj as motivational trainer and maybe drug deliverer, while not listening to any advice for the last few days.
he should rather risk coming dead flat instead of trying any magic tricks.hes soooo big enough anyway.
you are right. Ramy would still be the biggest guy on stage even if he comes in dead flat :)
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Holy shit DJ looks insane there!
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here is dj back then when he nailed his conditioning, bone dry, striation everywhere, no gut.
all downwards sicne then
Then he got bigger, won his pro card via a tie breaker with Melvin Anthony. And Melvin looked his best when he won his Pro card in 1999.
If you look at Dennis from that vid, you can see that then vs his Pro yrs, he had better triceps and chest when he was a Pro. But, he was very conditioned back then. Shit started go down hill when he came in at 260ish at one of the Arnold Classics.
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Dj was always known as the guy who looked like a Mr.O 2 days out in a string top wife beater and a pair of sweat pants,come contest day always fucked it up. DJ would peak to early.
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Show us your cock so we know it's the real you.
LMAO
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here is dj back then when he nailed his conditioning, bone dry, striation everywhere, no gut.
all downwards sicne then
Don't know if I would call 4th place at the O in 2003 downhill. Just sayin'.
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My ass you didn't read it ;) and I knew before I posted a response you were going to say something to the contrary no matter what I typed , it's a typical move from you. It's already been explained to you what muscle maturity is , and as usual you just don't get it. I used to think it's because English is not your native language but I know understand that you're just an idiot. :D
i really didnt read what you had written.. believe it or not i dont care..
i asked you to post some before and after pics as an example to "teach" me what muscle maturity is.. all what you posted an off season pic of zane when he was very young then a pic of him at his very best after winning the olympia ::)
do you really think this is a good example??.. if you really believe in the so called muscle maturity post a pic. of a pro. on a contest day before gaining this maturity then another one on another contest day after gaining it.. and we agree that it's not size or condition or thickness because all these already have names and i understand them well.. the maturity thing is what i dont know so plz help me to know it with good examples..
ah and plz dont answer that it's a combination of size and thickness because again these things are reached by some guys very early depending on their genetics and the amount of drugs they take.. the dont necessary need any years of training as you say about the so called maturity..
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I predict 4th place exactly.
youre a wise man. me too.
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i really didnt read what you had written.. believe it or not i dont care..
i asked you to post some before and after pics as an example to "teach" me what muscle maturity is.. all what you posted an off season pic of zane when he was very young then a pic of him at his very best after winning the olympia ::)
do you really think this is a good example??.. if you really believe in the so called muscle maturity post a pic. of a pro. on a contest day before gaining this maturity then another one on another contest day after gaining it.. and we agree that it's not size or condition or thickness because all these already have names and i understand them well.. the maturity thing is what i dont know so plz help me to know it with good examples..
ah and plz dont answer that it's a combination of size and thickness because again these things are reached by some guys very early depending on their genetics and the amount of drugs they take.. the dont necessary need any years of training as you say about the so called maturity..
i really didnt read what you had written.. believe it or not i dont care..
Then what's the sense is explaining anything to you? which I already did which you dismissed.
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Then what's the sense is explaining anything to you? which I already did which you dismissed.
your words are not convincing me so i want you to post pics to clarify what you believe in.. but since i am sure you dont have a clear explanation of the term muscle maturity (because it doesnt exist) you will fail and will keep saying more and more nonsense.. like for example,.. the so called muscles maturity comes after years and years of training.. then in your next post.. shawn ray achieved it very early ::)
3 options you have.. 1 to prove your point with real proofs,.. 2 to confess you have nothing to say,.. 3 to shut up..
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your words are not convincing me so i want you to post pics to clarify what you believe in.. but since i am sure you dont have a clear explanation of the term muscle maturity (because it doesnt exist) you will fail and will keep saying more and more nonsense.. like for example,.. the so called muscles maturity comes after years and years of training.. then in your next post.. shawn ray achieved it very early ::)
3 options you have.. 1 to prove your point with real proofs,.. 2 to confess you have nothing to say,.. 3 to shut up..
I told you already it's an appearance of the muscles , I also told you it doesn't mean what it suggests because people like Ray had great ' muscle maturity ' even at a young age.
Ironic you claimed Zane just simply took more drugs ::) you would know this how? did you ' prove your point with real proofs ' ? ::) do yourself a favor and run along with your bullshit , asking for proofs when you don't offer any for your claims ::) hypocrite
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youre a wise man. me too.
Show us your cock so we know it's the real you.
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I told you already it's an appearance of the muscles , I also told you it doesn't mean what it suggests because people like Ray had great ' muscle maturity ' even at a young age.
Ironic you claimed Zane just simply took more drugs ::) you would know this how? did you ' prove your point with real proofs ' ? ::) do yourself a favor and run along with your bullshit , asking for proofs when you don't offer any for your claims ::) hypocrite
check haney's pics in olymia 84 then pics of his last victory in 91.. he was bigger and in a better condition in 91 but again this is normal to add size with more training and better drugs.. and more experiences to be in a better condition.. other than this all his body parts looked the same..
since i am natural my biceps have been the same for 10 years or more.. why havent they gain this so called maturity after all these years of training :-X..
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NarcissticDiety mistakes "muscle maturity" with being shredded and on diuretics. Muscle is muscle.
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NarcissticDiety mistakes "muscle maturity" with being shredded and on diuretics. Muscle is muscle.
X2.. he is repeating what is written in magazines without thinking..
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With DJ in his corner hes bound to fuck it up on contest day.
Was Farah or Aceto or Chad Nichols known for "nailing it" during their competitive years? I think DJ did a pretty good job with Ramy. When was the last time Jay came in this condition?
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plz define muscle maturity and post a pic. of a certain bbr before reaching it then later after achieving it ::)
Young muscle is better than old muscle. Jay had better "muscle maturity" in 2001 than he does now.
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lol, comeon, the difference there is couple lbs of fat and water
look at serratus
Exactly. I could very well post that same pic of Zane when he won the O and then a pic of him three months later where he would appear to suddenly lose his "muscle maturity."
Most people when they first start bodybuilding are solely concerned with looking big. Therefore they have that eternal bloofy look. When they start to "mature" mentally and realize it's not all about how much you weigh and what their arms tape out as and drop the excess flab then they get the muscle maturity no matter what their age.
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after all these comments proving ND's assholeness and his insistence to keep arguing with pure nonsense i think he deserve the title (GB's whore) more than anyone else here...
sorry booty..
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Dj was always known as the guy who looked like a Mr.O 2 days out in a string top wife beater and a pair of sweat pants,come contest day always fucked it up. DJ would peak to early.
the funny thing is DJ went the last 2 weeks on no carbs with exception of the last 4 days when he loaded
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maybe that was the exact error, overloaded, maybe if he loaded 4 day out but just for 2 day would have been better in his case, or no loading at all,the guy is thick like hell anyway.
fully agreed,they want look big first, but dont realize they only look fatter, and then when the diet down,they actualy start to look big
well, I don't know, the body can load tons and get away with it but the problem is the more carbs you have the thirstier you become, so the secret is loading while maintaining same level of water or lower and that is where your thoughts on 4 days of carbs being to much is correct because he couldn't keep the equal preasure between loading and water intake, 2 days of eating while depleting water is near unbearable, 3 days is fucken pure fucken hell, 4 days is simply suicide, so I agree but not because it is not possible to do a 4 day load but because it is near impossible to do it perfectly
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Young muscle is better than old muscle. Jay had better "muscle maturity" in 2001 than he does now.
Thank you! Finally... someone sees it.
Most pros look better young.
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Thank you! Finally... someone sees it.
Most pros look better young.
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all this talk about muscle maturity is over rated, 40 year old ifbb pros have torn muscles, atrophied muscles, sagging muscle and nerve problems, 30 years old have better muscle, totally agree
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Thank you! Finally... someone sees it.
Most pros look better young.
Much of the reason the 80's and 90's pros looked better. Also, just competing at a lighter bodyweight and being in shape.
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Thank you! Finally... someone sees it.
Most pros look better young.
well you know that's because their muscles are strained all the time and thus they age much faster... and as we all know old people become childish... so! at that age the muscles lose maturity and become childish again ;D
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here is haney in 84 his first olympia victory and in 91 his last victory and according to many, his best shape ever.. ok his is fuller and a bigger in 91 but again ND plz explain how his muscles were more mature in 91??.. this is a serious question ND but if you will answer with more assholeness plz dont answer.. we agree than the added size and better condition have nothing to do with the so called maturity..
lee in 84 was less than 25 so if there was something called muscles maturity why cant we see it in his muscles after 7 years of hard training and injuries free?!!..
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here is haney in 84 his first olympia victory and in 91 his last victory and according to many, his best shape ever.. ok his is fuller and a bigger in 91 but again ND plz explain how his muscles were more mature in 91??.. this is a serious question ND but if you will answer with more assholeness plz dont answer.. we agree than the added size and better condition have nothing to do with the so called maturity..
lee in 84 was less than 25 so if there was something called muscles maturity why cant we see it in his muscles after 7 years of hard training and injuries free?!!..
I already said muscle maturity is the appearance of the muscle and nothing more. And I also explained to you it's really doesn't have to do with age because people like Shawn Ray were always said to have great muscle maturity even though he was just 21.
What does Haney have to do with anything? and your shitty comparison? Haney already had what people would consider great muscle maturity ( even though he was young ) in 84 ???
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after all these comments proving ND's assholeness and his insistence to keep arguing with pure nonsense i think he deserve the title (GB's whore) more than anyone else here...
sorry booty..
You take things WAY to personal lol You're always good for a laugh though ;D
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NarcissticDiety mistakes "muscle maturity" with being shredded and on diuretics. Muscle is muscle.
Wrong , because look at Ramy he's in good shape and on diuretics but his physique lacks what people would call ' muscle maturity ' his physique looks raw , it looks unpolished , his quads don't have great separation you can barely make out the rectus femoris , his calves are the same way no separation between the gastrocnemous inner & outer heads , despite the fact he was relatively shredded and on diuretics. Take a look at his delts , same thing.
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Wrong , because look at Ramy he's in good shape and on diuretics but his physique lacks what people would call ' muscle maturity ' his physique looks raw , it looks unpolished , his quads don't have great separation you can barely make out the rectus femoris , his calves are the same way no separation between the gastrocnemous inner & outer heads , despite the fact he was relatively shredded and on diuretics. Take a look at his delts , same thing.
You are harsch. I think he actually has a pretty dry and polished look akin to a older bodybuilder IF you take into account how young and new to the scene he is. Of course he can improve much from here.
He gets real puffy out of contest but in contest I'd say he has some of that "muscle maturity" look already, although I hate to even use the term.
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You are harsch. I think he actually has a pretty dry and polished look akin to a older bodybuilder IF you take into account how young and new to the scene he is. Of course he can improve much from here.
He gets real puffy out of contest but in contest I'd say he has some of that "muscle maturity" look already, although I hate to even use the term.
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His physique does look very good there. And you bring up some great points he is new to the scene and has room for improvement , I think when someone like him just grows at will he will always play catch up in terms of refinement which takes a back seat
No knock on the guy's physique. It's incredible he's massive beyond belief has great shape , small waist especially considering his size but I think people are willing to overlook a lot in favor of this and will be crying in a couple of weeks when he doesn't place second.
If he had that refined/polished look with great conditioning and improves he could beat anyone Heath included , but as we all seen in this sport insane genetics will only get you so far.
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here is haney in 84 his first olympia victory and in 91 his last victory and according to many, his best shape ever.. ok his is fuller and a bigger in 91 but again ND plz explain how his muscles were more mature in 91??.. this is a serious question ND but if you will answer with more assholeness plz dont answer.. we agree than the added size and better condition have nothing to do with the so called maturity..
lee in 84 was less than 25 so if there was something called muscles maturity why cant we see it in his muscles after 7 years of hard training and injuries free?!!..
ND you know i love you and i agree with almost everything you write but bro seriously muscle maturity although it does make a marginal difference, has very little to do with judging a physique, ripped mass is the bread and butter of judging, then proportions and aesthetics, and finally flow. THE JUDGES GIVE A RATS ASS OF HOW MATURE MUSCLE IS.
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Muscle maturity. Oh, boy.
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ND you know i love you and i agree with almost everything you write but bro seriously muscle maturity although it does make a marginal difference, has very little to do with judging a physique, ripped mass is the bread and butter of judging, then proportions and aesthetics, and finally flow. THE JUDGES GIVE A RATS ASS OF HOW MATURE MUSCLE IS.
I agree about the judges not caring so much which is why Ramy beat Vic , I think at the highest levels ( the Olympia ) it's these minute differences that will shift a contest in ones favor.
I think despite being dwarfed Heath will make Ramy look unfinished and incomplete
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I agree about the judges not caring so much which is why Ramy beat Vic , I think at the highest levels ( the Olympia ) it's these minute differences that will shift a contest in ones favor.
I think despite being dwarfed Heath will make Ramy look unfinished and incomplete
true but the experts have him in top 5, almost all of them, I think it is between him and Heath and Heath getting the nod because of his conditioning, to say he could be top 5 like the experts say but he doesn't have maturity so he will end up in 8th is outrageous. This is what I keep hearing.
He has deep lines like Wolf with even more width and small waist so he has everything Wolf has and then some
He has the compact look of JAY but even bigger and his aesthetic are easily even if not better
He will dwarf Dexter and Shawn beyond belief.
He is bigger then kai, wider and smaller waist.
THERE IS NO WAY HE PLACES OUT OF TOP 4, THERE SIMPLY IS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT.
The only argument is Kai has crazy muscle bellies so give him the nod and PHIL is RAZOR sharp so give him the nod.
That's it, there is no other argument, everything else is a dead end.
The only other argument is JAY GETS THIRD and bumps him to fourth over politics.
Anyone arguing anything different does not know bodybuilding
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true but the experts have him in top 5, almost all of them, I think it is between him and Heath and Heath getting the nod because of his conditioning, to say he could be top 5 like the experts say but he doesn't have maturity so he will end up in 8th is outrageous. This is what I keep hearing.
He has deep lines like Wolf with even more width and small waist so he has everything Wolf has and then some
He has the compact look of JAY but even bigger and his aesthetic are easily even if not better
He will dwarf Dexter and Shawn beyond belief.
He is bigger then kai, wider and smaller waist.
THERE IS NO WAY HE PLACES OUT OF TOP 4, THERE SIMPLY IS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT.
The only argument is Kai has crazy muscle bellies so give him the nod and PHIL is RAZOR sharp so give him the nod.
That's it, there is no other argument, everything else is a dead end.
The only other argument is JAY GETS THIRD and bumps him to fourth over politics.
Anyone arguing anything different does not know bodybuilding
I could easily see him in the top 5 but that's contingent on many things as you know. I don't know whose saying he wont be in the top 8 ??? he's a legit threat for sure I'm dying to see him near Heath lol
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I agree about the judges not caring so much which is why Ramy beat Vic , I think at the highest levels ( the Olympia ) it's these minute differences that will shift a contest in ones favor.
I think despite being dwarfed Heath will make Ramy look unfinished and incomplete
you are predicting ramy to not coe in the to 6-7,.. right??.. if so who are the 5-6 top guys in your list..
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true but the experts have him in top 5, almost all of them, I think it is between him and Heath and Heath getting the nod because of his conditioning, to say he could be top 5 like the experts say but he doesn't have maturity so he will end up in 8th is outrageous. This is what I keep hearing.
He has deep lines like Wolf with even more width and small waist so he has everything Wolf has and then some
He has the compact look of JAY but even bigger and his aesthetic are easily even if not better
He will dwarf Dexter and Shawn beyond belief.
He is bigger then kai, wider and smaller waist.
THERE IS NO WAY HE PLACES OUT OF TOP 4, THERE SIMPLY IS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT.
The only argument is Kai has crazy muscle bellies so give him the nod and PHIL is RAZOR sharp so give him the nod.
That's it, there is no other argument, everything else is a dead end.
The only other argument is JAY GETS THIRD and bumps him to fourth over politics.
Anyone arguing anything different does not know bodybuilding
See Dennis Wolf 2007. Easily the best BBer on the stage...got fifth.
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See Dennis Wolf 2007. Easily the best BBer on the stage...got fifth.
you got a point there
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but wold was a total surprise at the show as no one was expecting him to be a threat before the show.. not the same with ramy..
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but wold was a total surprise at the show as no one was expecting him to be a threat before the show.. not the same with ramy..
that's a good point too. he's got some publicity behind him.
hell if he's the best guy and he wins...I'm all for it. Just don't see that happening. definitely top 5 though.
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ramy can def crack top 4
but will politics see Jay get a gift placing
that being said, Jay looks to be coming smaller but better conditioned
interesting to see which way the judges will go
dont count out Dexter Jackson
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but wold was a total surprise at the show as no one was expecting him to be a threat before the show.. not the same with ramy..
Yes, Wolf did have publicity before the show. About a year or so in advance the pale gym shots appeared like wildfire online and had Bob and Dan talking about him on the radio show.
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that's a good point too. he's got some publicity behind him.
hell if he's the best guy and he wins...I'm all for it. Just don't see that happening. definitely top 5 though.
yes he is not the best... but i think and i may be wrong he is the only one now who has what it needs to be another ronnie.. his shape at the coming olympia will show his ability more.. will he be better or the same or worse than his last show..
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Yes, Wolf did have publicity before the show. About a year or so in advance the pale gym shots appeared like wildfire online and had Bob and Dan talking about him on the radio show.
YA but no even close to the same degree as Ramy
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Yes, Wolf did have publicity before the show. About a year or so in advance the pale gym shots appeared like wildfire online and had Bob and Dan talking about him on the radio show.
for me it was my very first time to know wolf.. i was not following bb a lot in 2007 but still i knew the top guys.. his great shape then was a big surprise.. but now anyone who has the least interest in bb has heard about ramy and is waiting to see him between the top guys.. and if ramy comes in 3rd for example it wont be a surprise..
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yes he is not the best... but i think and i may be wrong he is the only one now who has what it needs to be another ronnie.. his shape at the coming olympia will show his ability more.. will he be better or the same or worse than his last show..
You are not wrong, he maybe even better, he will change the field the way YATES did.
I talked to an Olympia judge About RAMY and he had a few interesting things to say, he said he is pretty much locked in for top 5 as they (politics) are in favor of him.
He also said he has what it takes to win but even if better then Phil they will not give him the nod simply because he does not speak good English and they need someone to carry a good conversation in the driver seat.
He also said people might die and get hurt chasing RAMY in the next 10 years, TALKING ABOUT COMPOUNDS IN EXCESS AMOUNTS.
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true but the experts have him in top 5, almost all of them, I think it is between him and Heath and Heath getting the nod because of his conditioning, to say he could be top 5 like the experts say but he doesn't have maturity so he will end up in 8th is outrageous. This is what I keep hearing.
He has deep lines like Wolf with even more width and small waist so he has everything Wolf has and then some
He has the compact look of JAY but even bigger and his aesthetic are easily even if not better
He will dwarf Dexter and Shawn beyond belief.
He is bigger then kai, wider and smaller waist.
THERE IS NO WAY HE PLACES OUT OF TOP 4, THERE SIMPLY IS NO EXPLANATION FOR IT.
The only argument is Kai has crazy muscle bellies so give him the nod and PHIL is RAZOR sharp so give him the nod.
That's it, there is no other argument, everything else is a dead end.
The only other argument is JAY GETS THIRD and bumps him to fourth over politics.
Anyone arguing anything different does not know bodybuilding
if dexter can repeat his arnold showing and rhoden comes in few lb bigger with same condition your top 4 will be messed up big time.both of these warriors are dark horses for top 4 placings.
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I think the top 4 will be easiest places to predict! Phil, Kai ,Jay, and Ramy in there. After that it's gonna be difficult!
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I think the top 4 will be easiest places to predict! Phil, Kai ,Jay, and Ramy in there. After that it's gonna be difficult!
exactly ;)
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Based on the fully clothed pics from the airplane, my complete lack of judging experience, my complete lack of competitive bb experience and my overall Getbig knowledge I would say 4th is possible.
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why ppl so afraid to say he could crack top 3, i always hear top4.
why so shy, if rami the pharao had this mindset he shouldnt even go there.
he will be top 3, not top 4, if he nails conditioning, its very simple.
well, I am not scared to say top 2, lol.
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You are not wrong, he maybe even better, he will change the field the way YATES did.
I talked to an Olympia judge About RAMY and he had a few interesting things to say, he said he is pretty much locked in for top 5 as they (politics) are in favor of him.
He also said he has what it takes to win but even if better then Phil they will not give him the nod simply because he does not speak good English and they need someone to carry a good conversation in the driver seat.
He also said people might die and get hurt chasing RAMY in the next 10 years, TALKING ABOUT COMPOUNDS IN EXCESS AMOUNTS.
Sounds about right. i have no doubt that Ramy will be severely punished because 1. He is from an arabic country 2. he cannot speak english
He has no chance of winning this year, no matter how much better he is he will get in best case scenario second place behind phil or jay or kai.
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you are predicting ramy to not coe in the to 6-7,.. right??.. if so who are the 5-6 top guys in your list..
I said top 5 , most likely 5th behind , Phil , Kai , Jay and if Shawn Rhoden is on behind him too.
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Sounds about right. i have no doubt that Ramy will be severely punished because 1. He is from an arabic country 2. he cannot speak english
He has no chance of winning this year, no matter how much better he is he will get in best case scenario second place behind phil or jay or kai.
I actually believe they will be fair with the exception of letting him win, if and only if he was good enough to win, they might not allow it because he does not speak good ENGLISH, but other then that they do like the idea of placing him well because the IFBB want to bring in more pros from the middle east, a lot of them stay amatuer on purpose and gyms are expanding 100 fold down there.
PERSONALLY I THINK ARABS HAVE TOP NOTCH GENETICS
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why ppl so afraid to say he could crack top 3, i always hear top4.
why so shy, if rami the pharao had this mindset he shouldnt even go there.
he will be top 3, not top 4, if he nails conditioning, its very simple.
Because you have to pay your dues. Phil, Kai and a gift to Jay. Next year if a bit more quad separation, back thickness and overall conditioning it will be all Ramy for the next five years or more depending of the next freak that appears. But you got to beat 5'10" 285 lbs with the small tight waist. No one is near Ramy in that department.
Of course if Jay comes in like he did in 2011 then he gets the fourth place but it's going to be painful for the powers that be because win or lose they know Jay is not coming back. And everybody loves Jay. Including me. He's a good guy.
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I actually believe they will be fair with the exception of letting him win, if and only if he was good enough to win, they might not allow it because he does not speak good ENGLISH, but other then that they do like the idea of placing him well because the IFBB want to bring in more pros from the middle east, a lot of them stay amatuer on purpose and gyms are expanding 100 fold down there.
PERSONALLY I THINK ARABS HAVE TOP NOTCH GENETICS
If true, this shows what a farce the whole contest is.
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who is his special "friend"
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I actually believe they will be fair with the exception of letting him win, if and only if he was good enough to win, they might not allow it because he does not speak good ENGLISH, but other then that they do like the idea of placing him well because the IFBB want to bring in more pros from the middle east, a lot of them stay amatuer on purpose and gyms are expanding 100 fold down there.
PERSONALLY I THINK ARABS HAVE TOP NOTCH GENETICS
very true ;D
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very true ;D
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very true ;D
awesome bicep there bro ;)
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awesome bicep there bro ;)
thx bro... i was in the lift and the light was perfect so couldnt prevent myself lol ;D
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Best Mr O EVER!!!
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who is his special "friend"
That's the dude who split ramy up the middle! The guy my friend told me about! I am pretty sure that is the guy!
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That's the dude who split ramy up the middle! The guy my friend told me about! I am pretty sure that is the guy!
haha and how do yo know its him when a suppose you dont even know his name. I pretty sure you only made the story, i have a hard time beliving that some guy in the us knows storys like that from the middle east. Where did he hear it from?
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haha and how do yo know its him when a suppose you dont even know his name. I pretty sure you only made the story, i have a hard time beliving that some guy in the us knows storys like that from the middle east. Where did he hear it from?
The story orriginated in oxygen gym where I had a friend tell me ramy did private posing for some rich guys in the oil business and he does extras for money. I have no video tape and cannot prove it is true but my friend does not lie unless he was lied to but why would ramy be hanging out with this little gay dude? I heard some bad things about these private posing sessions ramy did for these rich guys . I heard everything from ramy giving blowies to ramy getting split up the middle :-\ Nothing to prove this though. lets hope it is just a made up story but it came from a good source that trains at oxygen gym when he is in the middle east, plus he told me ramy claimed to be a fishermen but there are no fish over there and nobody in the middle east eats fish so who knows! Ramy claimed he made big money fishing yet he showed up at oxygen gym to be a personal trainer.
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The story orriginated in oxygen gym where I had a friend tell me ramy did private posing for some rich guys in the oil business and he does extras for money. I have no video tape and cannot prove it is true but my friend does not lie unless he was lied to but why would ramy be hanging out with this little gay dude? I heard some bad things about these private posing sessions ramy did for these rich guys . I heard everything from ramy giving blowies to ramy getting split up the middle :-\ Nothing to prove this though. lets hope it is just a made up story but it came from a good source that trains at oxygen gym when he is in the middle east, plus he told me ramy claimed to be a fishermen but there are no fish over there and nobody in the middle east eats fish so who knows! Ramy claimed he made big money fishing yet he showed up at oxygen gym to be a personal trainer.
im pretty sure he meant that he was s fisherman when he lived in egypt. The owner of oxygen gym is filthy rich and the joe weider of bb in the middle east (except the homo thing). He didnt know shit about bb 10 years ago but started a gym with money from his old company. Afger that he started to learn alot Bout bb and coaches guys himself now. In 10 years he has estsblished himself as the godfather of bb in the middle east cause before he started to pump in money the middle east scene was much smaller. so im pretty sure he pays ramy alot to be a trainer to draw people to the gyml. Like a sponsorship but with a job.
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Dennis posted new pics on ramys legs 6 days out next to a pic from new york pro and it waa a big difference. Much more separations in the legs now
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THIS !!! :o :o :o
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haha and how do yo know its him when a suppose you dont even know his name. I pretty sure you only made the story, i have a hard time beliving that some guy in the us knows storys like that from the middle east. Where did he hear it from?
Whitewidow is very serious about gay bb stories so I would trust his authority on this.
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Whitewidow is very serious about gay bb stories so I would trust his authority on this.
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Yes porky that pic. Big improvement
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Really solid and as long as he keeps improving he will be fine. This Mr O is not as big for him as its being hyped IMO. Anywhere in the top 10 would be good..top 6 great. I mean yeah he can nail down 2nd place or 3rd but I'de rather see the guy compared to the best and then whatever he places...coool. Then next year, after he knows what he has to improve..that is gonna be crazy to see what he can do or not do from where he is now.
All I DO KNOW....is he has a cool hat lol. I can never find good hats like that ...it fits like a skullcap with a brim.
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Whitewidow is very serious about gay bb stories so I would trust his authority on this.
I was right in the past and i believe I am right in this case but there is no real solid proof like no video if there is a video some dude with a towell over his head has it and is watching that shit every night before he goes to bed. Big cyp is a heavy drug addict from what he told me and gives blowies for Tylenol 3. :-\
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Lol what?
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THIS !!! :o :o :o
More quad separation, yes.
Calves bigger, yes.
Cock swollen, yes!
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I was right of course! I wonder how much OTH lost. Hopefully this was all just for fun. I tried to get in the action but OTH said he already had a grand bet on ramy but I would not of taken OTH's money if I won wich I knew I would, Ramy was not ready for that kind of competition. He is just trained like a Milos sarcev bodybuilder wich is not a bad thing. I don't see ramy being a huge threat ever as alot of you guys do. So he won the Ny pro big deal,that is a very small show with like a 15K top prize maybe 20K top prize it used to be a 10K top prize show. 10K wouldnn't even pay for these guys HGH for a few months.
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8th place for his 1st Olympia is not too bad. But he clearly disappointed and didn't justify all the gossip.
Team Ramy in top 4(x2) ;D
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Not sure how he got 8th? He was way better than Jay. At any rate, 8th aint too shabby for a rookie. Especially, when he deserved to be 6th or 7th. I thought Roelly should have gotten 6th and Ramy 7th, and Jay 12th or 13th.
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All he did was crack some peanuts on his way to to the O where are all the people that said he was going to win this?
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All he did was crack some peanuts on his way to to the O where are all the people that said he was going to win this?
Most people had him winning or no lower than second lol or fourth. McGough was right a LOT of people overrated him ;D
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Most people had him winning or no lower than second lol or fourth. McGough was right a LOT of people overrated him ;D
He is not really overrated. Dennis is overrated as a prep coach.
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Most people had him winning or no lower than second lol or fourth. McGough was right a LOT of people overrated him ;D
Ramy will make top 6 next year if in condition. Heat will win another couple of years then the crop will rise. Wolf should of been second Kai was better night show. If Ramy ever will win he should quit cracking peanuts on the drive over.
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Most people had him winning or no lower than second lol or fourth. McGough was right a LOT of people overrated him ;D
winning? There was one person here who said that he night win. Most people here and other forums said he will cracl top 5
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winning? There was one person here who said that he night win. Most people here and other forums said he will cracl top 5
He cracked the top 20.
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WTF seriously. ::)
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WTF seriously. ::)
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I won't backtrack ..I said top 5 too and still think he has great potential. But I even said the night of the show seeing him live for the first time... his quads look stupid and take away from his overall build. Needs to downsize them and get them separated.
He also suffers from something that Nasser suffered from too...he's got a huge, ugly head and a mug only a mother could love...not an insult...it detracts from the presentation.
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I won't backtrack ..I said top 5 too and still think he has great potential. But I even said the night of the show seeing him live for the first time... his quads look stupid and take away from his overall build. Needs to downsize them and get them separated.
He also suffers from something that Nasser suffered from too...he's got a huge, ugly head and a mug only a mother could love...not an insult...it detracts from the presentation.
Problem is that it's hard to deliberately lose muscle to gain definition.
The real issue is the type of preparation DJ give to him with his long period of low-carb and refeed. It's just not for him.
He loses muscle and definition everywhere expect from the legs and looks smooth onstage.
He looks almost perfect and much bigger during his bulking period, just need to drop water slowly.