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Tragic. More ammo (so to speak) for gun control advocates.
Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
Published September 16, 2013
FoxNews.com
A gunman suspected in the killing of 12 people at a Navy building in Washington Monday morning has been identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, a Navy veteran from New York who once shot a bullet through the apartment of a neighbor, Fox News has learned.
Alexis, who was discharged from the Navy two years ago after serving hitches in Texas and Illinois, sprayed bullets from the fourth floor down to the cafeteria area in the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters in southeast Washington in an attack that began just after 8 a.m. Alexis, who may have used a stolen ID to get into the building, died later as he traded shots with responding police, though it was not clear if he killed himself or was brought down by cops.
Many who managed to escape in the early minutes of the episode recalled panic and fear after a routine Monday morning was shattered with fire from an AR-15 and a handgun.
"This is not over."
- Rear Admiral John Kirby, U.S. Navy chief spokesman
"They sounded like 'pop, pop, pop,'" said Patricia Ward, a logistics management specialist who was in the cafeteria. "Everybody just panicked at first ... It was just people running, running, running.
"I just kept running," Ward said. "Our mission is to take care of the Navy ... After today, it's not secure enough for me."
Other witnesses told similar stories of gunshots and chaos.
“A little after 8, we heard a loud noise and didn’t think anything of it,” U.S. Navy Capt. Mark Vandroff told Fox News. “Someone with the presence of mind, and if I find out who it is, I’m going to thank them for it, closed our office doors.
“We got down on the floor as low as we could and barricaded ourselves in with tables and chairs,” he added. Vandroff said he frantically texted co-workers to check on them until police led them out of the office around 10 a.m.
Police were initially operating under the theory that Alexis had two cohorts, although one person being sought was later found and cleared. They were still seeking another man for questioning in the shooting, although Mayor Vincent Gray later said authorities were not sure if there was another suspect.
Throughout the morning and early afternoon, helicopters circled above the sprawling complex. People still trapped inside the building, where some 3,000 work every day, were told to "shelter in place," as helicopters dropped baskets to pick up the wounded.
Alexis, 34, of New York, was a Navy aviation electrician's mate, third class, who spent time in Texas and Illinois before leaving the Navy in early 2011. While stationed in Fort Worth, he was arrested on Sept. 4, 2010, after an upstairs neighbor reported that he had fired shots up into her apartment.The neighbor said Alexis had often angrily confronted her about making too much noise, and she told police he scared her.
"[The neighbor] told me that she is terrified of Aaron and feels that this was done intentionally," the arresting officer wrote on the police report.
D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said the first call came in just after 8:15 a.m., and that officers were on the scene within minutes. She said one member of her department was shot after engaging with a shooter, who she said was killed. Lanier initially said there were "potentially two other shooters" at large, although one white male who was being sought was later cleared.
The incident paralyzed much of the city, with several schools going on lockdown. The Washington Nationals, who play near the scene, postponed their night baseball game.
Gray said investigators had not identified a motive for the shooting. There was no indication that the incident was an act of terrorism, he said. The FBI was asking the public to provide any information that might help them learn more about Alexis's possible motive by calling (800) CALL-FBI or by clicking here.
Rick Mason, a program management analyst who is a civilian with the U.S. Navy, said a gunman was shooting from a fourth floor overlook in the hallway outside his office. Mason said the gunman was aiming down at people in the building's cafeteria on the first floor, adding that he could hear the shots but could not see a gunman.
Shortly after the gunfire, Mason said overhead speakers told workers to seek shelter and later to head for the gates at the complex.
People who were inside the building said a gunman wordlessly sprayed bullets as terrified civilians and Navy members scattered.
"We saw him hold the rifle, and we saw him aim it in our direction," a witness told FoxNews.com.
Another witness told WJLA: "We were looking, but he was down the hall far enough that we couldn't see a face. But we saw him hold the rifle and then we saw him raise it and aim in our direction."
U.S. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said two Navy employees and one Metro DC officer were brought to Medstar Washington Hospital Center, not with injuries considered life threatening.
Naval Sea Systems Command is the largest of the Navy's five system commands and accounts for a quarter of the Navy's entire budget. It builds, buys and maintains the Navy's ships and submarines and their combat systems.
White House officials, in a statement released shortly after the shooting, confirmed that President Obama had been briefed on the incident.
"The President directed his team to stay in touch with our federal partners, including the Navy and FBI, as well as the local officials," the statement read. "We urge citizens to listen to the authorities and follow directions from the first responders on site."
Obama later promised to make sure those responsible for the "cowardly act" are held accountable.
More than 20 members of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) responded to the scene, including the same Special Response Team that extracted the alleged Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev from the boat where he barricaded himself following the April 15 attack.
Although the motive was not yet known, the shooting brought to mind another mass shooting at a military base, on Nov. 5, 2009. That shooting, carried out by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, an American-born Muslim who became a jihadist while in the military, left 13 dead and more than 30 injured. Hasan was convicted of multiple counts of murder on Au.23 and sentenced to death by a military judge five days later.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-navy-yard/#ixzz2f6EoQOuH
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Tragic. More ammo (so to speak) for gun control advocates.
Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
Published September 16, 2013
you think "more ammo for gun control advocates" is the tragic part of this story?
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You really think that's what he meant?
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You really think that's what he meant?
I can't tell
why not just say it's tragic without adding the part about "gun control advocates"
why even bring that up at this point
the only people I've even seen talk about it on this board in connection with this shooting are those that are concerned it will be used as yet another reason for some kind of sensible gun legislation
If the Senate was not prompted into action by seeing a room full of adorable little kids gunned into ground beef I doubt this event today is going to motivate them
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You really think that's what he meant?
YES, YES HE DOES!!!
the only people I've even seen talk about it on this board in connection with this shooting are those that are concerned it will be used as yet another reason for some kind of sensible gun legislation
If the Senate was not prompted into action by seeing a room full of adorable little kids gunned into ground beef I doubt this event today is going to motivate them
do you really think those against guns wont use this as fodder for legislation?
you are one of these people straw, do you really think you wont use this to back up your reasoning for legislation?
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YES, YES HE DOES!!!
do you really think those against guns wont use this as fodder for legislation?
you are one of these people straw, do you really think you wont use this to back up your reasoning for legislation?
I've not said a single word about gun legislation in connection with this shooting other than the reference above and a similar reference on the G&O page
I also said I CAN'T TELL for sure what Bum meant so do me a favor and don't act as my spokesperson
I understand that, like Bum, you live in a world of your own imagination but leave me out of your delusions
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Oh Good Lord. And now you know why I call her the Village Idiot. ::)
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Oh Good Lord. And now you know why I call her the Village Idiot. ::)
why did you feel the need to mention "more ammo for gun control advocates" at this time
why do you feel the need to mention that when the dead bodies are probably still lying on the ground over in DC
Can't you give it a couple of days and why would you put it right after your one word declaration of "tragic"?
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why did you feel the need to mention "more ammo for gun control advocates" at this time
why do you feel the need to mention that when the dead bodies are probably still lying on the ground over in DC
Can't you give it a couple of days and why would you put it right after your one word declaration of "tragic"?
You should tell that to the people you put on pedestals who have wasted no time jumping all over this to push their agenda. ::)
I like how you're acting like you actually care about the victims beyond the purpose they serve for pushing your agenda. Dollars to donuts you'll never bother to look up the name of a single one of them.
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You should tell that to the people you put on pedestals who have wasted no time jumping all over this to push their agenda. ::)
I like how you're acting like you actually care about the victims beyond the purpose they serve for pushing your agenda. Dollars to donuts you'll never bother to look up the name of a single one of them.
I don't even know what your first sentence is supposed to mean
how am I acting like I cared about the victims. I don't know any of them and I'm not even aware that their names have been released but I guess you must have looked them all up and sent flowers to their family so why don't you take this time to tell us all about them since obviously you've "looked them all up" by now
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I've not said a single word about gun legislation in connection with this shooting other than the reference above and a similar reference on the G&O page
I also said I CAN'T TELL for sure what Bum meant so do me a favor and don't act as my spokesperson
I understand that, like Bum, you live in a world of your own imagination but leave me out of your delusions
so you will not ever reference this incident in regards to pushing gun legislation straw?
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I can't tell
why not just say it's tragic without adding the part about "gun control advocates"
why even bring that up at this point
the only people I've even seen talk about it on this board in connection with this shooting are those that are concerned it will be used as yet another reason for some kind of sensible gun legislation
If the Senate was not prompted into action by seeing a room full of adorable little kids gunned into ground beef I doubt this event today is going to motivate them
You really couldn't tell the context of his words?
"tragic". Meaning he is calling the incident tragic.
The second sentence is an after thought to what the incident may bring about.
How could you misinterpret that?
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I mean seriously, how could you misinterpret that?
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I mean seriously, how could you misinterpret that?
He's a fucking troll, that's how. And he's not very intelligent, to boot.
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I mean seriously, how could you misinterpret that?
Well...his nickname is dumbfuck for a reason.
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I mean seriously, how could you misinterpret that?
Why would Bum bemoan that this event would be "more ammo for gun control advocates" right after writing "tragic"
one could easily interpret that he believes the tragedy is that this would be "more ammo for gun control"
That's why I asked the QUESTION
and notice it was a question and not a statement
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He's a fucking troll, that's how. And he's not very intelligent, to boot.
whenever I have you and Skippy against me I know that I'm not off base
If you two dipshits don't agree with me then it just lends weight to the fact that I'm probably correct in my assumption
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you think "more ammo for gun control advocates" is the tragic part of this story?
No law going to stop this asshole - asshole
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No law going to stop this asshole - asshole
you're allegedly a lawyer
did you learn that laws are supposed to "prevent" crime ?
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Ban guns! It worked so well for drugs!
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you're allegedly a lawyer
did you learn that laws are supposed to "prevent" crime ?
Ghetto thug shoots up the base - pass a law - FNG IDIOT
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I can't tell
Did you miss the period after the word "tragic"?
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Why would Bum bemoan that this event would be "more ammo for gun control advocates" right after writing "tragic"
one could easily interpret that he believes the tragedy is that this would be "more ammo for gun control"
That's why I asked the QUESTION
and notice it was a question and not a statement
It's called using common sense when reading.
I can't believe you were so daft.
One could not easily interpret it the way you did. It took effort on your part. Lol
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Straw man being the forum punching bag as usual ;D
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But Obama is still gonna make a try through "executive orders" according to that pansy ass press secretary of his. How about allowing those licensed to conceal carry to carry on Post.
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What really blows my mind is that this was a military installation and apparently it was barely protected at all..even a fucking Naval yard is a ' gun free zone'?? Fucking worthless liberals..next they will be demanding all the weaponry to be removed from our warships and planes too..they might 'go off' and launch a missile into a group of schoolchildren ::)
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What really blows my mind is that this was a military installation and apparently it was barely protected at all..even a fucking Naval yard is a ' gun free zone'?? Fucking worthless liberals..next they will be demanding all the weaponry to be removed from our warships and planes too..they might 'go off' and launch a missile into a group of schoolchildren ::)
This has been the case since 1993, courtesy of Bill Clinton. It also explains how the Muslim terrorist Nidal Hassan was able to kill 13 people a few years ago.
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Guys I've been to many military bases, in non-combat zones, and you'd be surprised how lax personnel are. It's like any other job. People also aren't expecting something like this to happen because of the fact it is a military base.
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Does not surprise me. Not sure what more they can do other than start using metal detectors. Not very practical.
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What really blows my mind is that this was a military installation and apparently it was barely protected at all..even a fucking Naval yard is a ' gun free zone'?? Fucking worthless liberals..next they will be demanding all the weaponry to be removed from our warships and planes too..they might 'go off' and launch a missile into a group of schoolchildren ::)
yes, no doubt the evil Libs are in charge of naval policy and security
everyone knows that
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yes, no doubt the evil Libs are in charge of naval policy and security
everyone knows that
yes - its a Clinton policy - and this worthless affirmative action animal was no doubt coddled due to his race.
Score one for AA
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I don't think playing a video game, even for 16 hours at a time, would cause him to become a mass murderer.
Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman 'obsessed with violent video games'
Aaron Alexis played violent video games including Call of Duty and Resident Evil for up to 16 hours at a time.
By Nick Allen, Fort Worth, Texas
11:30AM BST 17 Sep 2013
Alexis, 34, who was shot dead on Monday after killing 13 people at Washington's Navy Yard, also carried a .45 handgun tucked in his trousers with no holster "everywhere he went" because he believed people would try to steal his belongings.
He also felt racially discriminated against, and believed he had been financially "screwed" over a contracting job in Japan at the end of last year, friends said. They also said that he was working in a nearby building when the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center went down following the September 11 terrorism attacks.
The addiction to violent video games and guns was at odds with his devout commitment to Buddhism, which saw Alexis spending half the day every Sunday meditating at the Wat Busayadhammvanaram temple in Fort Worth, Texas over a period of several years. He also spent a month in Thailand in April, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Friends said he appeared to have a "chilled" personality and enjoyed watching American Football on television. He spent last Christmas Day singing karaoke and bursting into Elvis Presley's "Can't Help Falling in Love."
The two sides to Alexis's personality revealed themselves as he spent the last three years living in the Texan suburb of White Settlement.
Much of that was spent in several different homes with his best friend Nutpisit Suthamtewakul, 31, his wife Kristi, 35, and Mr Suthamtewakul's parents.
Mr Suthamtewakul, who runs the Happy Bowl Thai restaurant, described Alexis as being like his "big brother." He told The Daily Telegraph: "I first met him at the Buddhist temple. He had been in the Navy but he was unemployed. I saw he was struggling with his finances, and I said why not move in and you can just pay the electricity bill? He was doing online school, something about electronic stuff and aircraft
"He never got angry with us. He was always very nice to us. He had a couple of issues with being black. He felt he hadn't been treated right, not by the Navy, just generally. He didn't have a lot of friends - me, my wife and family, and people from temple."
Thai was spoken in the house and over time, with the help of watching Thai dramas, Alexis became fluent.
Looking dazed as he stood outside his restaurant, and several times referring to his former friend in the present tense, Mr Suthamtewakul said: "When I first met him he couldn't speak Thai. He picked it up really fast. He's a smart guy. If he wasn't dead he would be standing right here and we'd be talking in Thai. He believed that meditation would give him wisdom."
Alexis was supposed to be Mr Suthamtewakul's best man at his wedding last December, but instead spent the end of the year in Japan working. His wife picked Alexis up at the airport when he returned from Japan.
Mr Suthamtewakul said: "He got this job and had to go to Japan to do a military business. He missed my wedding but he was very sorry.
"Then, after he came back from Japan, he was telling me he didn't get paid the right amount. He got screwed."
He played down an incident in 2010 when Alexis was arrested for allegedly firing his gun through the ceiling of their home.
He said: "It didn't go through the ceiling, it went through a wall. I was in the bedroom and I heard the gunshot. I jumped up and said "What the..." and Aaron came in and was really sorry. He said 'I was cleaning my gun.' I said 'Put the safety on so you don't kill people in here.' He said 'I'm sorry man.' It was just an accident."
The darker side to Alexis's character saw him playing violent "zombie" video games in his room, sometimes from 12.30pm until 4.30am.
Mr Suthamtewakul said: "He could be in the game all day and all night. I think games might be what pushed him that way. He always had this fear people would steal his stuff so that's why he would carry his gun all the time. He would carry it when he was helping out in the restaurant which scared my customers."
But he did not believe Alexis had a grudge against the government. Mr Suthamtewakul said he saw mail that indicated Alexis was receiving regular cheques from the government for "some problem with his feet."
His wife Kristi, who also spent time living in the house with Alexis, said: "I remember him talking about 9/11. he was there and when he came outside one of the buildings was gone already.
"All of a sudden the second building came down. He was an angry American, angry with the terrorists. I think maybe there was PTSD.
"But he was very chilled. He loved Thai culture, Buddhist culture, he just loved to hang out and help out. He always had the gun tucked in his pants in the restaurant but it didn't concern me because he had a licence.
"My heart breaks for the people he killed. These images are going to flash in my mind forever."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10314585/Aaron-Alexis-Washington-navy-yard-gunman-obsessed-with-violent-video-games.html
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I don't think playing a video game, even for 16 hours at a time, would cause him to become a mass murderer.
Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman 'obsessed with violent video games'
Aaron Alexis played violent video games including Call of Duty and Resident Evil for up to 16 hours at a time.
By Nick Allen, Fort Worth, Texas
11:30AM BST 17 Sep 2013
Alexis, 34, who was shot dead on Monday after killing 13 people at Washington's Navy Yard, also carried a .45 handgun tucked in his trousers with no holster "everywhere he went" because he believed people would try to steal his belongings.
He also felt racially discriminated against, and believed he had been financially "screwed" over a contracting job in Japan at the end of last year, friends said. They also said that he was working in a nearby building when the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center went down following the September 11 terrorism attacks.
The addiction to violent video games and guns was at odds with his devout commitment to Buddhism, which saw Alexis spending half the day every Sunday meditating at the Wat Busayadhammvanaram temple in Fort Worth, Texas over a period of several years. He also spent a month in Thailand in April, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Friends said he appeared to have a "chilled" personality and enjoyed watching American Football on television. He spent last Christmas Day singing karaoke and bursting into Elvis Presley's "Can't Help Falling in Love."
The two sides to Alexis's personality revealed themselves as he spent the last three years living in the Texan suburb of White Settlement.
Much of that was spent in several different homes with his best friend Nutpisit Suthamtewakul, 31, his wife Kristi, 35, and Mr Suthamtewakul's parents.
Mr Suthamtewakul, who runs the Happy Bowl Thai restaurant, described Alexis as being like his "big brother." He told The Daily Telegraph: "I first met him at the Buddhist temple. He had been in the Navy but he was unemployed. I saw he was struggling with his finances, and I said why not move in and you can just pay the electricity bill? He was doing online school, something about electronic stuff and aircraft
"He never got angry with us. He was always very nice to us. He had a couple of issues with being black. He felt he hadn't been treated right, not by the Navy, just generally. He didn't have a lot of friends - me, my wife and family, and people from temple."
Thai was spoken in the house and over time, with the help of watching Thai dramas, Alexis became fluent.
Looking dazed as he stood outside his restaurant, and several times referring to his former friend in the present tense, Mr Suthamtewakul said: "When I first met him he couldn't speak Thai. He picked it up really fast. He's a smart guy. If he wasn't dead he would be standing right here and we'd be talking in Thai. He believed that meditation would give him wisdom."
Alexis was supposed to be Mr Suthamtewakul's best man at his wedding last December, but instead spent the end of the year in Japan working. His wife picked Alexis up at the airport when he returned from Japan.
Mr Suthamtewakul said: "He got this job and had to go to Japan to do a military business. He missed my wedding but he was very sorry.
"Then, after he came back from Japan, he was telling me he didn't get paid the right amount. He got screwed."
He played down an incident in 2010 when Alexis was arrested for allegedly firing his gun through the ceiling of their home.
He said: "It didn't go through the ceiling, it went through a wall. I was in the bedroom and I heard the gunshot. I jumped up and said "What the..." and Aaron came in and was really sorry. He said 'I was cleaning my gun.' I said 'Put the safety on so you don't kill people in here.' He said 'I'm sorry man.' It was just an accident."
The darker side to Alexis's character saw him playing violent "zombie" video games in his room, sometimes from 12.30pm until 4.30am.
Mr Suthamtewakul said: "He could be in the game all day and all night. I think games might be what pushed him that way. He always had this fear people would steal his stuff so that's why he would carry his gun all the time. He would carry it when he was helping out in the restaurant which scared my customers."
But he did not believe Alexis had a grudge against the government. Mr Suthamtewakul said he saw mail that indicated Alexis was receiving regular cheques from the government for "some problem with his feet."
His wife Kristi, who also spent time living in the house with Alexis, said: "I remember him talking about 9/11. he was there and when he came outside one of the buildings was gone already.
"All of a sudden the second building came down. He was an angry American, angry with the terrorists. I think maybe there was PTSD.
"But he was very chilled. He loved Thai culture, Buddhist culture, he just loved to hang out and help out. He always had the gun tucked in his pants in the restaurant but it didn't concern me because he had a licence.
"My heart breaks for the people he killed. These images are going to flash in my mind forever."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10314585/Aaron-Alexis-Washington-navy-yard-gunman-obsessed-with-violent-video-games.html
Tragic. Now they will no undoubtedly regulate video games.
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yes, no doubt the evil Libs are in charge of naval policy and security
everyone knows that
The libs are the ones pushing these sort of hairbrained policies. When they are in power, they are able to get shit like this passed (keeping guns out of the hands of our armed forces-oh the irony ::))
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Tragic. Now they will no undoubtedly regulate video games.
:D
lol. ;D
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yes - its a Clinton policy - and this worthless affirmative action animal was no doubt coddled due to his race.
Score one for AA
great, tell us exactly what you're referring to and then why neither Bush or Obama changed it
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so no actual answer to my question other than your usual Tourette's style of rambling jibberish?
you blamed Clinton for this (so did your boyfriend) so why don't you tell us why?
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He also felt racially discriminated against, and believed he had been financially "screwed" over a contracting job in Japan at the .
"He never got angry with us. He was always very nice to us. He had a couple of issues with being black. He felt he hadn't been treated right, not by the Navy, just generally. He didn't have a lot of friends - me, my wife and family, and people from temple."
This is the kind bullshit narrative we are going to be subjected to for the next couple of weeks. The media desperately wanted this to be a white guy.
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He also felt racially discriminated against, and believed he had been financially "screwed" over a contracting job in Japan at the .
"He never got angry with us. He was always very nice to us. He had a couple of issues with being black. He felt he hadn't been treated right, not by the Navy, just generally. He didn't have a lot of friends - me, my wife and family, and people from temple."
This is the kind bullshit narrative we are going to be subjected to for the next couple of weeks. The media desperately wanted this to be a white guy.
LOL
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LOL
Just like they wanted the marathon bomber to be a right wing tea party guy.
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Another ghetto animal on the rampage - no surprise . . . . .
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Just like they wanted the marathon bomber to be a right wing tea party guy.
says who
when is "the media" some monolith that "wants" things?
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Another ghetto animal on the rampage - no surprise . . . . .
another meaningless, racist post by you....no surprise.....
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says who
when is "the media" some monolith that "wants" things?
I watched the various news channels and it was pretty clear that it was assumed, at least early on, that it was the work if the far right. Mathews said it, blitzer said it. Southern poverty law center was on several stations pumping the idea. Cenk Ungyr and Chritine amanpour mentioned how they both hoped it was a white guy.
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I watched the various news channels and it was pretty clear that it was assumed, at least early on, that it was the work if the far right. Mathews said it, blitzer said it. Southern poverty law center was on several stations pumping the idea. Cenk Ungyr and Chritine amanpour mentioned how they both hoped it was a white guy.
they all said "we hope this is a white guy"?
you'd think with a statement like that it would have some controversy and Rush and Faux News would play it repeatedly
Any chance you have some YouTube videos of any of these people saying they hoped this was a white guy?
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan
Another Obama voter on a rampage
Worthless animal
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they all said "we hope this is a white guy"?
you'd think with a statement like that it would have some controversy and Rush and Faux News would play it repeatedly
Any chance you have some YouTube videos of any of these people saying they hoped this was a white guy?
It was all over the place. I commented on it at the time. There was a thread too I believe.
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It was all over the place. I commented on it at the time. There was a thread too I believe.
should be easy to find a clip of such a controversial statement
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan
Another Obama voter on a rampage
Worthless animal
just imagine how your friends will describe you when you eventually go on a shooting rampage
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should be easy to find a clip of such a controversial statement
He said she was rooting for it to be a non-middle easterner.
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He said she was rooting for it to be a non-middle easterner.
who is the "he" and the "she"
instead of more innuendo and you just post the video or even the transcript
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan
Another Obama voter on a rampage
Worthless animal
I doubt his political views contributed to the shooting, but the media would be frothing at the mouth if this guy was a conservative who voted for McCain, etc.
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who is the "he" and the "she"
instead of more innuendo and you just post the video or even the transcript
Typing on phone. He = Cenk Uygur. What kind of person is more concerned about the ethnicity of the shooter than the victims
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/18/current_tv_hosts_hope_boston_marathon_bombers_are_white.html
Cenk Uygur, Brown University Professor Tricia Rose, Mediaite editor Noah Rothman, and “The War Room” host Michael Shure debate whether or not it’s okay Americans to hope the people who committed the Boston Marathon attacks are of a certain race, ethnicity or religious background.
“I have to be honest with myself,” Cenk says. “I was rooting for non-Middle Eastern.”
"Yeah, I was hoping for a white guy, because I know the way that American is reactionary, and has proven so in the past," Shure said. "The way that they go after [minorities]. You know, after 9/11 they were killing Sikh Indians in gas stations in Texas, or a Sikh Indian. And it was very difficult, the profiling that happened after that. So, yeah, I think it keeps the flames down."
"If it is a white American guy, I think that -- that's what I was rooting for and I'll confess to it too," Shure tried to explain.
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Typing on phone. He = Cenk Uygur. What kind of person is more concerned about the ethnicity of the shooter than the victims
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/18/current_tv_hosts_hope_boston_marathon_bombers_are_white.html
Cenk Uygur, Brown University Professor Tricia Rose, Mediaite editor Noah Rothman, and “The War Room” host Michael Shure debate whether or not it’s okay Americans to hope the people who committed the Boston Marathon attacks are of a certain race, ethnicity or religious background.
“I have to be honest with myself,” Cenk says. “I was rooting for non-Middle Eastern.”
"Yeah, I was hoping for a white guy, because I know the way that American is reactionary, and has proven so in the past," Shure said. "The way that they go after [minorities]. You know, after 9/11 they were killing Sikh Indians in gas stations in Texas, or a Sikh Indian. And it was very difficult, the profiling that happened after that. So, yeah, I think it keeps the flames down."
"If it is a white American guy, I think that -- that's what I was rooting for and I'll confess to it too," Shure tried to explain.
ok. I'm glad you posted this
certainly a poor choice of a topic to "debate" by Uygur and Shure but at least he (Uygur) explained his reasoning (whether it's acceptable or not) that after 9/11 that people lashed out at any race they thought looked "Arab" (I assume that's what he meant with the Sikh reference) and that in his mind if the bomber was a white guy it would be less (or no) additional violence by stupid people trying to take out their anger on innocent people
Not exactly a political correct statement but in context you can understand his rationale (and keep mind that Uygur is from Turkey) and he looks "suspicious" himself you can understand why he might have this feeling
This is not exactly the same as "the media" hoping it was a white guy just for the sake of hating on the white guy
btw - when is a guy on Current TV and now apparently doing an internet show from what appears to be his garage even part of "the media"
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Surprise surprise.
Obama, Feinstein reignite fight for gun control after Navy Yard shooting
By Ben Wolfgang
The Washington Times
Monday, September 16, 2013
Just hours after the deadly shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard, gun control advocates tried to reignite the national debate over gun laws that had only just subsided.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat and a longtime gun control advocate, denounced “the litany of massacres” over the past few years and asked rhetorically, “When will enough be enough?”
Mrs. Feinstein, who was first thrust into the national spotlight as president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors announcing the shooting deaths of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, said, “Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life.”
President Obama was one of the first to link Monday’s incident to the larger issue of gun violence and the legislative effort to curb it, though he did so without explicitly calling, as he has done repeatedly, for gun control measures.
“So we are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation’s capital,” Mr. Obama said as he opened an economic speech at the White House.
“Obviously, we’re going to be investigating thoroughly what happened, as we do so many of these shootings, sadly, that have happened, and do everything that we can to prevent them,” the president said.
The National Rifle Association had no comment on Monday, and pro-gun groups generally take the stance that days of particularly shocking crimes are not the time to discuss policy. Popular conservative blogger and former CNN commentator Erick Erickson admonished the rush to politicize the shooting, saying “seriously people, grow up.”
“I would not dare step in the way of America’s national pastime of bitching about the politics of everything on Twitter, but there has to be a better time for it than as the temperature of bodies on the ground in the Navy Yard are not even yet cold,” he said. “If you don’t have the judgment and good sense to understand that now is not the time to say it, you have no capacity to understand why.”
But Mr. Obama’s words were echoed by Dr. Janis Orlowski, chief medical officer at MedStar Washington Hospital Center, where three of the shooting victims were being treated.
At the end of a televised medical briefing on the survivors’ conditions, Dr. Orlowski contrasted trauma from accidental shootings and what she called “something evil in our society that we as Americans have to work to try and eradicate.”
“But there’s something wrong here when we have these multiple shootings. … There is something wrong, and the only thing that I can say is we have to work together to get rid of it. I would like you to put my trauma center out of business,” she said, her voice weakening from emotion. “We just cannot have, you know, one more shooting with, you know, so many people killed. We’ve got to figure this out. We’ve got to be able to help each other.”
At least 12 people were killed in Monday’s attack; an investigation by local, federal and military authorities is ongoing. The FBI on Monday afternoon identified the gunman as Aaron Alexis, who reportedly worked at the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth, Texas.
The 34-year-old was killed inside the Navy Yard facility, but not before inflicting the kind of carnage that immediately evoked memories of other recent mass shootings such as those in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.
Mass shootings happen periodically, but the Newtown massacre, which claimed the lives of 20 elementary school children, seemed to be a last straw for Mr. Obama, some lawmakers and other high-profile gun control proponents such as New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.
In the aftermath of the December tragedy, the president immediately called on lawmakers to take action to reduce gun violence. The effort met stiff resistance from the National Rifle Association and other groups. Many congressional Republicans and red-state Democrats also opposed tight gun restrictions.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/16/navy-yard-shooting-revives-gun-control-fight/#ixzz2fCPD69Bd
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Surprise surprise.
Obama, Feinstein reignite fight for gun control after Navy Yard shooting
By Ben Wolfgang
The Washington Times
Monday, September 16, 2013
Just hours after the deadly shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard, gun control advocates tried to reignite the national debate over gun laws that had only just subsided.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat and a longtime gun control advocate, denounced “the litany of massacres” over the past few years and asked rhetorically, “When will enough be enough?”
Mrs. Feinstein, who was first thrust into the national spotlight as president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors announcing the shooting deaths of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, said, “Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life.”
President Obama was one of the first to link Monday’s incident to the larger issue of gun violence and the legislative effort to curb it, though he did so without explicitly calling, as he has done repeatedly, for gun control measures.
“So we are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation’s capital,” Mr. Obama said as he opened an economic speech at the White House.
“Obviously, we’re going to be investigating thoroughly what happened, as we do so many of these shootings, sadly, that have happened, and do everything that we can to prevent them,” the president said.
The National Rifle Association had no comment on Monday, and pro-gun groups generally take the stance that days of particularly shocking crimes are not the time to discuss policy. Popular conservative blogger and former CNN commentator Erick Erickson admonished the rush to politicize the shooting, saying “seriously people, grow up.”
“I would not dare step in the way of America’s national pastime of bitching about the politics of everything on Twitter, but there has to be a better time for it than as the temperature of bodies on the ground in the Navy Yard are not even yet cold,” he said. “If you don’t have the judgment and good sense to understand that now is not the time to say it, you have no capacity to understand why.”
But Mr. Obama’s words were echoed by Dr. Janis Orlowski, chief medical officer at MedStar Washington Hospital Center, where three of the shooting victims were being treated.
At the end of a televised medical briefing on the survivors’ conditions, Dr. Orlowski contrasted trauma from accidental shootings and what she called “something evil in our society that we as Americans have to work to try and eradicate.”
“But there’s something wrong here when we have these multiple shootings. … There is something wrong, and the only thing that I can say is we have to work together to get rid of it. I would like you to put my trauma center out of business,” she said, her voice weakening from emotion. “We just cannot have, you know, one more shooting with, you know, so many people killed. We’ve got to figure this out. We’ve got to be able to help each other.”
At least 12 people were killed in Monday’s attack; an investigation by local, federal and military authorities is ongoing. The FBI on Monday afternoon identified the gunman as Aaron Alexis, who reportedly worked at the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth, Texas.
The 34-year-old was killed inside the Navy Yard facility, but not before inflicting the kind of carnage that immediately evoked memories of other recent mass shootings such as those in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.
Mass shootings happen periodically, but the Newtown massacre, which claimed the lives of 20 elementary school children, seemed to be a last straw for Mr. Obama, some lawmakers and other high-profile gun control proponents such as New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.
In the aftermath of the December tragedy, the president immediately called on lawmakers to take action to reduce gun violence. The effort met stiff resistance from the National Rifle Association and other groups. Many congressional Republicans and red-state Democrats also opposed tight gun restrictions.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/16/navy-yard-shooting-revives-gun-control-fight/#ixzz2fCPD69Bd
yeah this is the real tragedy
why dont these two understand that the shooter was just exercising his 2nd ammendment rights
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Yep, the 2nd amendment guarantees us the right to committ mass murder.
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Yep, the 2nd amendment guarantees us the right to committ mass murder.
lol
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Yep, the 2nd amendment guarantees us the right to committ mass murder.
Obama and Feinstein are also exercising their First Amendment rights (something Bum himself has complained about not being able to do on other topics without being judged by others about it)
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the Torette's is really acting up today isn't it
you still can't explain how you blame Clinton for this
how about you give it a shot
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Strawman are you really going to deny that the MSM has an extreme liberal bias?
Also, you said we were being 'paranoid' for assuming this would make them push for gun control again..well they have already started. I have seen at least 15 articles in the MSM yesterday alone on the topic of gun control, as well as quotes from the usual suspects advocating their usual stupid shit.
You are a fool and living in denial in your msnbc liberal fantasy bubble
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Strawman are you really going to deny that the MSM has an extreme liberal bias?
Also, you said we were being 'paranoid' for assuming this would make them push for gun control again..well they have already started. I have seen at least 15 articles in the MSM yesterday alone on the topic of gun control, as well as quotes from the usual suspects advocating their usual stupid shit.
You are a fool and living in denial in your msnbc liberal fantasy bubble
I won't deny that this board is an extreme right wing echo chamber where conservative views are labled liberal and moderate progressive views are considered extremely liberal. I also know that a super majority of the country support reasonable gun legislation and yet a handful of paranoid nuts manage to scare the crap out of a handful of senators. I assume you believe it was unfair that the DC shooter was denied when he tried to buy an AR-15 as has been reported in the extreme liberal media.
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He is an Obama worshipping progressive cultist who will do A N Y T H I N G to deflect and defend this horrid admn and the causes of the left - facts be damned
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I won't deny that this board is an extreme right wing echo chamber where conservative views are labled liberal and moderate progressive views are considered extremely liberal. I also know that a super majority of the country support reasonable gun legislation and yet a handful of paranoid nuts manage to scare the crap out of a handful of senators. I assume you believe it was unfair that the DC shooter was denied when he tried to buy an AR-15 as has been reported in the extreme liberal media.
This 'super majority' you speak of is a fabrication. Otherwise it would have passed. No matter how much you want to believe in your little heart that the oposition is just a handful of ragtag crazy militia men hiding in the hills somewhere, who have somehow enough power to defy the 'supermajority' of americans, that simply isn't true. The truth is that there are over 80million american gun owners and most of them are just regular people. And these millions of regular americans were the ones who spoke out and got this shit canceled. Sorry if that doesn't fit your liberal fantasy version of things.
Oh and if the guy had prior criminal record and history of mental issues, then he def should NOT be able to buy any firearm. There are already such laws on the books. He also should not have had clearance to the base. These are the kind of already existing laws that need to be enforced
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He is an Obama worshipping progressive cultist who will do A N Y T H I N G to deflect and defend this horrid admn and the causes of the left - facts be damned
no one said he "worshiped" Obama
don't you realize you actually have more in common with the shooter than any Obama voter
you're both clearly mentally ill
the only difference at this point is that the voices in his head told him to go shoot up a Navy yard and so far the voices in your head have only told you to devote your entire life to posting complete and utter horseshit on this board
and before you try to claim you're not mentally ill I give you this totally sane post
Obama voters are murderers
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This 'super majority' you speak of is a fabrication. Otherwise it would have passed. No matter how much you want to believe in your little heart that the oposition is just a handful of ragtag crazy militia men hiding in the hills somewhere, who have somehow enough power to defy the 'supermajority' of americans, that simply isn't true. The truth is that there are over 80million american gun owners and most of them are just regular people. And these millions of regular americans were the ones who spoke out and got this shit canceled. Sorry if that doesn't fit your liberal fantasy version of things.
Oh and if the guy had prior criminal record and history of mental issues, then he def should NOT be able to buy any firearm. There are already such laws on the books. He also should not have had clearance to the base. These are the kind of already existing laws that need to be enforced
I've posted it many times before and in fact I think I've posted it in response to your claim above just recently
you made some similar claim as above and then after I showed the multiple sources for my claim you failed to show any for yours
btw - I never said it was ragtag militia men hiding in the hills. Why are just adding that out of thin air and pretending it's what I said
Are you upset that the shooter was denied when he tried to buy an AR15
Does that bother you?
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I've posted it many times before and in fact I think I've posted it in response to your claim above just recently
you made some similar claim as above and then after I showed the multiple sources for my claim you failed to show any for yours
btw - I never said it was ragtag militia men hiding in the hills. Why are just adding that out of thin air and pretending it's what I said
Are you upset that the shooter was denied when he tried to buy an AR15
Does that bother you?
Idiot - this is another case of Affirmative action and PC run amok. This ghetto thug Obama voting creep was protected , like O-TWINK - due solely cause of his race and now people are dead
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Idiot - this is another case of Affirmative action and PC run amok. This ghetto thug Obama voting creep was protected , like O-TWINK - due solely cause of his race and now people are dead
this is what you believe and you're posting this in defense to my assertion that you are mentally ill
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this is what you believe and you're posting this in defense to my assertion that you are mentally ill
Everyone knew this Obama supporting animal was a danger to society.
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I've posted it many times before and in fact I think I've posted it in response to your claim above just recently
you made some similar claim as above and then after I showed the multiple sources for my claim you failed to show any for yours
btw - I never said it was ragtag militia men hiding in the hills. Why are just adding that out of thin air and pretending it's what I said
Are you upset that the shooter was denied when he tried to buy an AR15
Does that bother you?
Your words were ' a handful of paranoid nuts'.
And fuck no it doesn't bother me, why would it? This is exactly the type of person that SHOULD be denied weapons. You are an idiot and really reaching deep by insinuating that our side would be 'upset' that these people would be denied gun purchases.
And like I said, if your little lib fantasy 'supermajority' really existed, then why didn't the legislation pass??
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Your words were ' a handful of paranoid nuts'.
And fuck no it doesn't bother me, why would it? This is exactly the type of person that SHOULD be denied weapons. You are an idiot and really reaching deep by insinuating that our side would be 'upset' that these people would be denied gun purchases.
And like I said, if your little lib fantasy 'supermajority' really existed, then why didn't the legislation pass??
I didn't insinuate anything
I ASKED YOU A QUESTION for the purpose of testing just how crazy you are
We've had this conversation before don't you remember.
The last time you made a bullshit claim you were unable to provide anything to back it up so why should I waste more of my time with you?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=489043.0
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I didn't insinuate anything
I ASKED YOU A QUESTION for the purpose of testing just how crazy you are
We've had this conversation before don't you remember.
The last time you made a bullshit claim you were unable to provide anything to back it up so why should I waste more of my time with you?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=489043.0
Why didn't it pass? If it had 'supermajority', 99% of public, and 'over 70% of NRA members support, as you claim... ( ::))...then why didn't it pass??
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Why didn't it pass? If it had 'supermajority', 99% of public, and 'over 70% of NRA members support, as you claim... ( ::))...then why didn't it pass??
super majority is not 99% and you know exactly why it didn't pass, because a handful of Senators are beholden to gun manufactures and scared of a small of very vocal gun nuts and also scared of the NRA ( a group whose primary objective is to increase gun sales at the expense of everything else)
you get no more of my time today
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super majority is not 99% and you know exactly why it didn't pass, because a handful of Senators are beholden to gun manufactures and scared of a small of very vocal gun nuts and also scared of the NRA ( a group whose primary objective is to increase gun sales at the expense of everything else)
you get no more of my time today
Obama is a failure and get anything done - accept it
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Obama is a failure and get anything done - accept it
you truly have serious mental health issues - accept it
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super majority is not 99% and you know exactly why it didn't pass, because a handful of Senators are beholden to gun manufactures and scared of a small of very vocal gun nuts and also scared of the NRA ( a group whose primary objective is to increase gun sales at the expense of everything else)
you get no more of my time today
This is completely wrong in every aspect..but if that's what you want to believe then that's ok. You will stick to your liberal talking points no matter what.
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I guess he could have just left the country instead of murdering people, but that would have been too easy.
Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was 'not happy with America,' friend says
Kristi Suthamtewakul via Reuters
FORT WORTH, Texas — Aaron Alexis was so unhappy with his life in America — where he was beset by money woes and felt slighted as a veteran — that he was "ready to move out of the country" last year, a friend said Tuesday.
Aaron Alexis, the man police say shot and killed 12 people in a Washington Navy Yard, reportedly called police to complain about people following him and that he was hearing voices. He sought mental health treatment from a nearby VA hospital, officials said. NBC's Pete Williams reports.
"He was tired of dealing with the government," said Kristi Suthamtewkal, whose husband owns the Thai Bowl Restaurant in Fort Worth, where Alexis worked in exchange for room and board.
But instead of leaving the U.S., the former Navy reservist relocated from Texas to Virginia, where an IT company called The Experts put him on a government contract at the Washington Navy Yard.
A day after Alexis, 34, gunned down 12 people at the yard, new details emerged of his troubled past — from his preoccupation with 9/11 to recent mental problems that included hearing voices in his head.
Advertise | AdChoicesInvestigators said Tuesday that a preliminary probe has turned up no evidence that Alexis participated in rescue operations at Ground Zero, as his father once told police.
He was, however, employed as a clerical worker at the Borough of Manhattan Community College, in the shadow of the Twin Towers, when they were destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001.
“He talked about 9/11 and where he was and how the buildings had collapsed and he couldn’t believe that...and how he was upset with the terrorists for taking innocent lives," Suthamtewkal said.
Aaron Alexis in an undated photograph provided by Kristi Suthamtewakul, wife of "Happy Bowl" Thai restaurant owner Nutpisit Suthamtewakul.
Melinda Downs, who took in Alexis after he moved out of the Suthamtewkals' house last year, said he told her he suffered from post-traumatic stress after "surviving 9/11 in New York."
And when Alexis was arrested in Seattle in 2004, for shooting at a parked car in what he called an "anger-fueled blackout," he brought up 9/11 during his interrogation and "how those events had disturbed him," police said.
Three years after that arrest, Alexis enlisted in the Navy Reserves and served as an aviation electrician's mate — a third-class petty officer — before he was given an honorable discharge in January 2011.
Military officials acknowledged that Alexis had disciplinary issues including absence without permission, insubordination and disorderly conduct.
Among the problems: an arrest in September 2010 by Fort Worth police after he accidentally fired a bullet into the apartment above him while he was cleaning a gun with slippery hands. Prosecutors determined that there wasn’t enough evidence to bring a recklessness case.
After his discharge, Alexis began an online course in aeronautics with Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. He worshiped at a Buddhist Temple and was befriended by Suthamtewkal's husband, Oui, who " took him under his wing and took care of him."
He was given a room at their house in exchange for help at the restaurant, where he was one of the more popular waiters.
"Everybody loved him," Kristi Suthamtewkal said.
He spent a lot of time in his room, burning incense, she said. Michael Ritrobato, a handyman at the restaurant, said Alexis played violent online video games but was good-natured, not angry.
After he returned from a contract job in Japan in Nov. 2012, he didn't seem as easy-going, though.
He felt like he had been cheated out of money from the contract and complained that he was mistreated because he was black, Kristi Suthamtewkal said.
"He felt a lot of discrimination and and racism with white people especially," she said.
There was also a growing sense of entitlement and disrespect, she said. "He did have the tendency to feel like people owed him something all the time."
He got annoyed when she couldn't give him rides, and he started eating the couple's food without permission, and ignoring her when she complained, she said. When her cats developed fleas, he was angry.
Mostly, though, she felt like he was fed up with the United States.
“I knew he was not happy with America and he felt slighted as a veteran and he was ready to move out of the country," she said.
When he abruptly left their house in July, he went to live with Melinda and Marvin Downs.
"He would get really quiet sometimes, put his head down," Melinda said. "You would see him in thought but not in rage, not angry at the world."
After he left Fort Worth for a series of jobs on the East Coast, Alexis kept in touch with the Downses. The last they heard from him, on Sept. 9, he said everything was going well in Washington.
Even before Monday morning, though, there were signs that wasn't true.
He sought treatment with the Veterans Administration for paranoia and hearing voices in two states.
In August, Newport, R.I., police were called to a Marriott Hotel room where Alexis said he was being followed by three people and heard voices coming from his closet. He couldn't sleep because he thought they were using a microwave machine to send vibrations through the ceiling, the police report says.
His small circle of friends in Fort Worth say they saw no evidence of mental illness or aggression and struggled to reconcile the accusations against their friend with the man they knew.
"I don't know him as a monster. I choose to rather remember him as being the jokester. An honorable young man — not the one that flipped out and just went off on everybody," Melinda Downs said.
Kristi Suthamtewkal recalled his devotion to the Wat Busayadhammavanaram temple.
"Buddhism is a religion of peace," she said. "It does not make sense."
http://drudgereport.com/
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Tragic. Pretty soon there will be regulation on being unhappy.
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Sounds like the white man hounded this poor psycho until he was forced to take action.
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Tragic. Pretty soon there will be regulation on being unhappy.
Are you saying him being unhappy is the tragic part of this story? ???
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This is completely wrong in every aspect..but if that's what you want to believe then that's ok. You will stick to your liberal talking points no matter what.
I've posted the links showing you the strong support for basic gun legislation and you've failed to post anything to support your claims
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I've posted the links showing you the strong support for basic gun legislation and you've failed to post anything to support your claims
Your poll was already shown to be a dubious liberal attempt to skew information.
Are your going to continue to ignore that the NRA is made up of over 5 million americans who contribute their own money and efforts to the cause, and stick with the liberal image of a shadowy corporation that exists soley for and by the ' gun companies' , which according to your story must be such gigantic powerful corporations that they can singlehandedly determine policy despite the will and efforts of 90% of the population, the best efforts of the president and his administration, and the entire democratic party?
Oh and it wasn't a 'handful of senators'..the MAJORITY of them voted against your bullshit bill.
So..again..why didn't it pass??
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Your poll was already shown to be a dubious liberal attempt to skew information.
Are your going to continue to ignore that the NRA is made up of over 5 million americans who contribute their own money and efforts to the cause, and stick with the liberal image of a shadowy corporation that exists soley for and by the ' gun companies' , which according to your story must be such gigantic powerful corporations that they can singlehandedly determine policy despite the will and efforts of 90% of the population, the best efforts of the president and his administration, and the entire democratic party?
Oh and it wasn't a 'handful of senators'..the MAJORITY of them voted against your bullshit bill.
So..again..why didn't it pass??
no it wasn't
if you believe it was then post (or re-post) your source
I suspect you will do as before and make a bunch of excuses as to why you can't do that
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why is it that polls only matter to you when they are supporting your agenda?
you werent very worried when the majority didnt want obamacare?
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Gun-control ineffective.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/harvard-study-gun-control-doesnt-work/
Implementing stricter gun control measures does NOT reduce crime or prevent mass killings. They are largely emotionally laden responses from hypocritical politicians to recent media saturation of a tragic event where the perpetrator utilized a gun. Nancy Pelosi has a California CCW which are virtually impossible to legally attain. The only CCW instructor in the DC area is quitting due to lack of business. Rosie O'Donnell has a bevy of armed security personnel accompanying wherever her fatass goes. Many of these celebrities and politicians think it is okay for them to have a gun, but not okay for anyone else.
When it comes to crime, the causation and who are committing these crimes makes the media, corporations, and politicians very, very uncomfortable as the answers are very politically incorrect. US whites make up the largest percentage of legal gunowners but yet the majority of violent crimes utilizing a firearm are perpetuated by African-Americans and Central American hispanics in our inner cities. Take out the violent crime rates from a handful of the US's most dangerous cities and you are left with an overall crime rate that is very much aligned with the other industrialized nations on earth, despite the high rates of gun ownership.
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why is it that polls only matter to you when they are supporting your agenda?
you werent very worried when the majority didnt want obamacare?
you mean polls that show barely a 50% majority of people who oppose Obama care based on something they believe will happen in the future (try to keep in mind it's not implemented yet) vs. polls that show virtually 90% support for something simple like stricter background checks regarding a topic where we can already see the actual carnage that has already occurred
Given our prior conversations on much simpler topics I'm sure understanding the difference here will elude you too
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you mean polls that show barely a 50% majority of people who oppose Obama care based on something they believe will happen in the future (try to keep in mind it's not implemented yet) vs. polls that show virtually 90% support for something simple like stricter background checks regarding a topic where we can already see the actual carnage that has already occurred
Given our prior conversations on much simpler topics I'm sure understanding the difference here will elude you too
I believe the polls were much more one sided than that straw.
Also your polls results are based upon the belief that background checks will help stop gun violence, facts are it won't.....
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Strawman claims that most NRA members supported obama's gun control legislation.
Nothing more needs to be said, really.
His credibility is zero.
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Strawman claims that most NRA members supported obama's gun control legislation.
Nothing more needs to be said, really.
His credibility is zero.
Checkmate.
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Checkmate.
hopefully you're better at real chess than imaginary message board chess
I've posted this before but I have an extra 5 minutes so I will repost it again
John Matrix won't post anything to back up his bullshit because he can't
Poll conducted in 2012 by douchebag Republican pollster Frank Luntz
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-12.shtml
Among the survey’s key findings:
87 percent of NRA members agree that support for Second Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
There is very strong support for criminal background checks among NRA members and gun owners:
74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees – a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.