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The dems are riding at an all time high, cocky in their assurance that the have the demographics 'locked up' and that hillary will easily crush any opponent. Here sre some reasons why they probably shouldn't be dancing on the graves of the opposition just yet.
1. Statistically, the opposite party usually has the advantage following 8 yrs of one party rule. Obama ran following 8 yrs of one of the most disastrous and disliked presidents ever.Hillary will be running following 8 yrs of one of the most devisive presidents in recent times. These circumstances worked heavily in obamas favor; they will not be working in Hillarys favor.
2. The enthusiasm gap: in 2008, the dems were super fired up after bush. Obama had massive enthusiasm advantage. Following 8 years of the most liberal president ever, who has been going for broke on the most controvertial agendas possible, the enthusiasm gap is ALREADY MASSIVELY against the liberal dem candidate. After 8 years of rule their base will be somewhat lethargic while the right's base is as fired up as it has ever been. This will be a huge disadvantage hillary faces.
3. Demographics are fickle: no matter what, 95% of the black vote will not turn out for the rich old white lady. Period. Hillary cannot count on the same massive, historic black turnout obama had, for obvious reasons.
Also, 70% of hispanics cannot be counted on to vote hillary. Hispanics do not vote nearly as party line as the liberal media makes it seem. Especially if the repub candidate is hispanic. So the incredibly one sided 'minority' numbers obama got will certainly not be repeated with hillary, at least not to that extent. Also, do not discount the huge numbers of yuppie liberal whites who voted for obama largely because he was the first black contender and it made them feel real special and politically correct to vote for the black guy.
4. Don't write the obituary for a party just yet: recall that following a very unpopular dem jimmy carter in the late 70's was 12 straight years of republican rule, during which time reagan won something like 48-49 states. Unheard of landslides. But the democratic party did not die, no matter how obsolete they seemed at the time. And if the repubs seems in bad shape now, they aren't close to what the dems were in the 80's.
So whereas there were a number of significant factors which all came together perfectly for candidate obama, many of these will NOT be present for candidate hillary (despite what libs currently believe) and in fact there will be a number of significant factors working AGAINST her. If she runs against an actual conservative, she will likely lose.
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Dems prior to 2016: Damn the elitists who are entrenched in American politics!
Dems in 2016: Let's elect a person from a dynasty family that is entrenched in American politics!
::)
How much blood does Hillary have on her hands?
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Besides the obvious, the media isn't a lock with her either. They turned on Bill...kinda like they turned on Hil min 2008. Not having the media is a big problem for the post Obama media. Yeah I get she's a woman etc...but she's an unattractive shrew as well. That doesn't help her. There are alot of recent skeletons in her closet as well. This will be beaten to death before 2016. If the Repubs have balls and go with a Mike Pence or another con instead of that fat fuck in NY...they have a chance. Hell christie could still beat Hil by splitting the Dems.
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Besides the obvious, the media isn't a lock with her either. They turned on Bill...kinda like they turned on Hil min 2008. Not having the media is a big problem for the post Obama media. Yeah I get she's a woman etc...but she's an unattractive shrew as well. That doesn't help her. There are alot of recent skeletons in her closet as well. This will be beaten to death before 2016. If the Repubs have balls and go with a Mike Pence or another con instead of that fat fuck in NY...they have a chance. Hell christie could still beat Hil by splitting the Dems.
they turned on Bill because it was good for rating$$$
They need hilary IN office before they can turn on her. So yes, the media gets their BIGGEST STORY in... it'll be hilary, unless another obama emerges.
Now, CHristie splitting the dems? Um, that was the goal with RINOS like Mccain and Romney. The base stays home, remember? We've tried that twice. Two fails. The lib base will run out to vote for hilary, but how many repubs that snubbed mccain and romney will suddenly say "We love christie - and we're totally cool with his RINO policies!"
It doesnt work. Put a conservative in there and see what happens.
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Good reasons. BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate. After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.
It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary. If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it. Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.
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Good reasons. BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate. After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.
It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary. If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it. Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.
Obama's approval ratings are irrelevent because he won't be running again. But the rest is exactly right. Despite their inherent advantages in 2016, the right still needs to put a true conservative on the ballot to win. RINOs will always lose. Unless maybe the dems run joe biden haha
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Good reasons. BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate. After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.
It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary. If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it. Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.
First off u want a rino because ur not a repub/libertarian or conservative. Second....he's still underwater. U cherry pick as usual. I could say that based on reuters he's at 39%....nobody loves this guy. He's at 44/45 % because the Obamacare, aimed at everybody hasn't hit. Barry was slick and made sure that the full effects wouldn't be felt until well after he stole another election.
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RCP Average 9/4 - 9/24 -- 44.3 50.5 -6.2
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Let's see how well Hillary can rally the Cubans in Florida. Expect a male Hispanic as Clintons running mate. How this will play with black voters after eight years of a black president remains to be seen. The younger black voters might not have the same enthusiasm to elect an old Caucasian lady and a Hispanic.
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Besides..none of this matters...2014 and the senate matter. The real repubs are manuvering to position themselves to win. They know that they can't shut down the gov but many still believe that Obamacare is a failure and dangerous. I think the guys persuing this know it will fail under its own weight but also are jaded enough to believe that once in place, failure or not, you can't get rid of it. Others are content to watch it topple down over a period of time. Its the same outcome but two different strategies.
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damn.... i didn't know hilary left at 66% approval rating, even after benghazi? unreal. I can't see her losing the nomination in 2016 at the very least. Repubs need to have their shit together to defeat her.
66%, even after benghazi. Mind-boggling. People just don't care. They just care about the name, personality. I can just see wise ol bubba, a young and promising Chelsea with talk of her own senate office run... ugh, hilary is gonna win in 2016. I can see it now. chelsea will probably be president one day too.
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Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate. Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful. Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.
The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it. Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.
The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..
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Good reasons. BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate. After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.
It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary. If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it. Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.
Obama is at 46% because of the idiots like on this board who would defend him banging a goat on the WH lawn, racist blacks, radical lezbos, welfare mobs, guilt ridden white pos, etc
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Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate. Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful. Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.
The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it. Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.
The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..
Are u fucking serious......if he wasn't black u wouldn't say it. He's a failure, the mid east is on fire. Jobs are gone or going part time, they're not coming back. Gas is atleast 2 bucks higher, taxes are higher, the world thinks he's a joke. You are a world class idiot.
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Obama is at 46% because of the idiots like on this board who would defend him banging a goat on the WH lawn, racist blacks, radical lezbos, welfare mobs, guilt ridden white pos, etc
yeah, but that's another thread. nobody denies that.
33/soul crusher, what's your take on Hilary 2016? A good chance of winning nomination and prez? who are her biggest challengers on both sides of the aisles? Who could really beat her?
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Doesn't matter if hilary was a success, or a total failure. All that matters is the PERCEPTION of the job she's done.
66% of americans approved of her job as Sec of state when she left that position. I thought it'd be 40. unreal.
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Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate. Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful. Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.
The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it. Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.
The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..
Complete crap...the last 'compassionate conservative', (bush), wasn't a conservative at all and his administration was a disaster.
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Complete crap...the last 'compassionate conservative', (bush), wasn't a conservative at all and his administration was a disaster.
George W. got his 8 years in unlike his father. The Tea Party is all about..."holding the line" "death to homos, liberals and blacks" " stockpile weapons" and Obama is a communist, socialist, Muslim Kenyan citizen"......
The Tea Party is not rational, goes all or nothing, and is responsible for holding the GOP hostage...resulting in pure mayhem ;D
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George W. got his 8 years in unlike his father. The Tea Party is all about..."holding the line" "death to homos, liberals and guys" " stockpile weapons" and Obama is a communist, socialist, Muslim Kenyan citizen"......
The Tea Party is not rational, goes all or nothing, and is responsible for holding the GOP hostage...resulting in pure mayhem ;D
Obama is all of those things as well as a terrorist.
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Unlike you left wing loons....nobody at any teaparty event ever said death to homo's...so lets stay with the facts. Its about fiscal responsibility. Whether you're black, white or fucking purple you should not get access to my tax dollars for nothing. This was all liberal bullshit because they were scared. Nobody was scared of the hippies on wall street. All you had to do was watch the slow trainwreck that became and who was attracted to it. U blacks will never get it that Obama does not care about you. He's not black, was not raised black, does not have black friends. He was influenced by libs, domestic terrorists and communists. If he was repub u idiots would call him an oreo.
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Unlike you left wing loons....nobody at any teaparty event ever said death to homo's...so lets stay with the facts. Its about fiscal responsibility. Whether you're black, white or fucking purple you should not get access to my tax dollars for nothing. This was all liberal bullshit because they were scared. Nobody was scared of the hippies on wall street. All you had to do was watch the slow trainwreck that became and who was attracted to it. U blacks will never get it that Obama does not care about you. He's not black, was not raised black, does not have black friends. He was influenced by libs, domestic terrorists and communists. If he was repub u idiots would call him an oreo.
Blacks still supporting O-Ghetto should all do a collective hari kari. A bunch of followers and nothing else despite the fact that things have only gotten worse for them under socialism of Obama.
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LOL @ the derailing.
is hilary unbeatable in 2016? Which getbigger will predict the man/woman that will topple the Clinton 2016 machine and win the job or even nomination from her?
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Unbeatable...are u friggen serious. Lets wait a bit until the dust settles on Libya first. She escaped before all the facts came out. Remember 240, people really don't like her. They like Bill. She's not the media darling, they abandoned her when they got the messiah. 2016 is a long way away.
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Unbeatable...are u friggen serious. Lets wait a bit until the dust settles on Libya first. She escaped before all the facts came out. Remember 240, people really don't like her. They like Bill. She's not the media darling, they abandoned her when they got the messiah. 2016 is a long way away.
They dont have to like her to vote for her. She was one state away from the nomination in 2008... against a media creation obama... in rematach polls, she would have won. I think she is unbeatable in 2012. I dont see any dem rock stars, and i know repubs will obey hannity and levin and choose a moderate.
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They dont have to like her to vote for her. She was one state away from the nomination in 2008... against a media creation obama... in rematach polls, she would have won. I think she is unbeatable in 2012. I dont see any dem rock stars, and i know repubs will obey hannity and levin and choose a moderate.
You will kneepad and vote for her just like you did o-TWINK
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You will kneepad and vote for her just like you did o-TWINK
LOL, hey listen man, those days are over. I didn't razz you for kneepadding the today show hosts, you can't razz me for future kneepadding I have not yet even committed.
;D
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LOL, hey listen man, those days are over. I didn't razz you for kneepadding the today show hosts, you can't razz me for future kneepadding I have not yet even committed.
;D
Natalie Morales wanted the old canoli - not going to complain
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Natalie Morales wanted the old canoli - not going to complain
listen, you had every chance to say "I think this water bottle was actually Made in Kenya... like our President"
if you're going to be an upaid prop on an ultra-lib morning talk show at the 4th grade level - at least make it epic :)
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listen, you had every chance to say "I think this water bottle was actually Made in Kenya... like our President"
if you're going to be an upaid prop on an ultra-lib morning talk show at the 4th grade level - at least make it epic :)
I :
Told and ED joke to Natalie Morales and made her blush
Shout out to Cswol and GB
Shout out to my buddies at GR
Wore the NYC 9/11 shirt I wanted
Didn't come across as a dick
Didn't jumble my words or make a fool of myself
Win for me.
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First and foremost we have to factor in that this country won't be doing much better 3 years down the road because Obama is just a shit leader with shit policies. This is a foregone conclusion. Clear as day for everyone to see except for his most loyal bootlicking followers. Poll numbers dropping amongst blacks, women, Hispanics and youth. And Hillary is going to have to follow this disaster which the majority of the country disapprove of with no sight of poll numbers getting better.
The assertion that Democrats have the Hispanic vote locked up is just flat out false. You don't think a smart politician like Ted Cruz won't be using his dads heritage at every single opportunity to bring out that segment of the vote?? This guy is very calculating. They could very well come out in DROVES for this guy. Make no mistake, that filibuster was a power move aimed at 2016. The Clinton's are very calculating and know how to pick their fights well which is why Hillary hasn't chose to run yet but if Cruz gets a 68 year old Hillary on stage with everyone watching she could be in a position to look very bad. Do you think Cruz would have melted down like she did during Bengazi hearings?? She better be ready for a earful of that by him as well.
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"The assertion that Democrats have the Hispanic vote locked up is just flat out false."
Maybe it's not locked up... but they dropped from getting 44% to (I think 33%) to 27% in 2012? Something like that?
Unless they majorly reverse the trend, then the dems have it. Maybe Rubio and his pro-amnesty positions will help, who knows.
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Obama is at 46% because liberals like me are honest when we answer polls. Meaning, if I was called and axed about whether I approve of him, I'd say no. Because honestly, I don't. I'm not going to go into details, but I mainly disapprove because he is Ronald Reagan in blackface. That in no way means I wouldn't vote for him again in a heartbeat, because as the GOP continues to show us on a daily basis, they are in it for the upper 1% of this country and no one else.
This applies to the "Obamacare" polls. If I were axed if I approve of it or not, I'd say no. I want Universal, Single Payer. But if you axed me whether I like it better than the status quo, I'd say hell yes.
Suck on that for a while wing-bitches.
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The Democrats/Liberal Establishment have done a masterful job in portraying Republicans as being for the 1% when the facts are that Democrats/Liberals themselves are the majority occupiers of the 1%. The richest districts in the United States Overwhelmingly vote Democratic, as Obama in the last two elections captured 9/10 of the wealthiest voting districts. The most influential and wealthiests companies and CEOs are in the majority for Democratic candidates and championing various liberal causes, from Google to Coca-Cola to Bill Gates to Goldman-Sachs to the owners of the Boston Celtics to most major media and entertainment outlets to virtually all major academic institutions.
We can argue the merits and morality of what the liberal causes are(gay marriage, anti-voter ID, immigration) but I do know that money and influence trumps any moral issue. Opposition to any of these causes usually calls for boycotts and universal condemnation, further amplified by their allied media counterparts. Logic always caves in to the dictates of emotion in these matters, which is now the underlying problem of the US in general.
Despite having virtual complete political control of the US's big cities for decades and having received lengthy majorities in Congress and the Senate, the Income gap has substantially widened.......and yet, the liberals will never shoulder the blame, and their all-around buffonery and idiocy and corruption are continually insulated from the many layers of protection that the media and academia grant them.
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The Democrats/Liberal Establishment have done a masterful job in portraying Republicans as being for the 1% when the facts are that Democrats/Liberals themselves are the majority occupiers of the 1%. The richest districts in the United States Overwhelmingly vote Democratic, as Obama in the last two elections captured 9/10 of the wealthiest voting districts. The most influential and wealthiests companies and CEOs are in the majority for Democratic candidates and championing various liberal causes, from Google to Coca-Cola to Bill Gates to Goldman-Sachs to the owners of the Boston Celtics to most major media and entertainment outlets to virtually all major academic institutions.
We can argue the merits and morality of what the liberal causes are(gay marriage, anti-voter ID, immigration) but I do know that money and influence trumps any moral issue. Opposition to any of these causes usually calls for boycotts and universal condemnation, further amplified by their allied media counterparts. Logic always caves in to the dictates of emotion in these matters, which is now the underlying problem of the US in general.
Despite having virtual complete political control of the US's big cities for decades and having received lengthy majorities in Congress and the Senate, the Income gap has substantially widened.......and yet, the liberals will never shoulder the blame, and their all-around buffonery and idiocy and corruption are continually insulated from the many layers of protection that the media and academia grant them.
Why do you hate success and rich people ???
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"The assertion that Democrats have the Hispanic vote locked up is just flat out false."
Maybe it's not locked up... but they dropped from getting 44% to (I think 33%) to 27% in 2012? Something like that?
Unless they majorly reverse the trend, then the dems have it. Maybe Rubio and his pro-amnesty positions will help, who knows.
I don't know where they got that stat that obama got 73% of the hispanic vote...I believe it came from a small poll of hispanics in the northeast or some crap like that. Here in texas, where most of the hispanics are, NO WAY IN HELL he got 70% of the hispanic vote. There are tons of hispanics here who vote republican, and ironically despite what the MSM likes to push, most hispanics are strongly against amnesty; most of them had their parents or grandparents come over the hard (legal) way and they greatly resent the current hordes of illegals demanding everything for free.
In short, there is no way in hell 73% of hispanics nationwide vote for the rich old white lady. The percentages are gping to be a lot closer to even than people think. The idea that the democrats have the hispanic vote overwhelmingly in future elections is an illusion.
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Why do you hate success and rich people ???
Um....I don't. I was pointing out the wrongfulness in the assertion that Republicans care only for the rich.
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Yeah those tea party crackpots. They keep on bringing up the constitution....dangerou s propaganda.
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Unbeatable...are u friggen serious. Lets wait a bit until the dust settles on Libya first..
it will stay dusty and away from Hillary as long as the CIA involvement stays covered. Maybe in another 50 years it might change.
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Um....I don't. I was pointing out the wrongfulness in the assertion that Republicans care only for the rich.
Most rich people vote democratic thats what you wrote.
Why do you have a problem with rich people?