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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 2, 2013
A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.
Image: Obama signs the Affordable Care Act.
If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.
Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;
“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.
The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.
“There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.
In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.
Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”
Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.
Read a copy of the full exchange on Facebook below.
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts/
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according to something someone wrote on a facebook page. infowars, we got robots that shoot bees with laser beams and make hives out of human ear wax.
You are one stupid fuck, the worst offender here.
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according to something someone wrote on a facebook page. infowars, we got robots that shoot bees with laser beams and make hives out of human ear wax.
You are one stupid fuck, the worst offender here.
That would liberals, which is why this country is fucked to begin with. I wouldnt put anything past this scumbag administration.
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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 2, 2013
A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.
Image: Obama signs the Affordable Care Act.
If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.
Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;
“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.
The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.
“There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.
In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.
Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”
Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.
Read a copy of the full exchange on Facebook below.
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts/
If you're single and making 50k a year, you're doing pretty good although likely choose the most expensive plan
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First, it's info wars so you've got to take it with a grain of salt. Secondly, fifty thousand isnt all that much in this day and age. In California fifty thousand doesn't go very far.
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according to something someone wrote on a facebook page. infowars, we got robots that shoot bees with laser beams and make hives out of human ear wax.
You are one stupid fuck, the worst offender here.
That misshapen cranium sure isn't filled with brainum, is that what you are saying? I agree.
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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 2, 2013
A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.
Image: Obama signs the Affordable Care Act.
If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.
Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;
“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.
The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.
“There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.
In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.
Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”
Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.
Read a copy of the full exchange on Facebook below.
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts/
Man, you must fall for every con and swindle and hoax if you believe this shit. Now, why is that not surprising, I wonder?
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Man, you must fall for every con and swindle and hoax if you believe this shit. Now, why is that not surprising, I wonder?
it's how he can justify getting all those retard letter certificates you get in one weekend.
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Man, you must fall for every con and swindle and hoax if you believe this shit. Now, why is that not surprising, I wonder?
Because stupid is as stupid does. Particularly amusing is when his little rants and bullshit gets busted by facts and reality and his only response is a retarded "you just don't get it do you?" as if that deflection validates all the delusional bullshit lurking in that cesspool of a mind he has.
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Another Coach fail.
Getbigs village idiot strikes again.
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I bet coach belives in every nigerian letter email he gets to
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Fines are just coming out of tax returns from what I've heard.
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I am a little worried about what effect amnesty might have if granted. For the record, a single payer system with rate controls(medicare) would have been my ideal.
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Fines are just coming out of tax returns from what I've heard.
Yes.
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Fines are just coming out of tax returns from what I've heard.
No they aren't, Obama comes to your house and takes the money or collateral. he want's his $95 fine.
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Fines are just coming out of tax returns from what I've heard.
And this is ok with you clowns. Haha the irony
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And this is ok with you clowns. Haha the irony
hehe healthcare hehe
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the source is infowars. They're the biggest 911 conspiracy site out there.
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the source is infowars. They're the biggest 911 conspiracy site out there.
What a surprise. Coach gets his info from fringe nutcase web sites, and then cuts and pastes the nonsense here, presenting it with an air of "knowing the truth" beyond what the unwashed lefties have access to, who moreover don't have the penetrating intelligence that Coach enjoys.
Coach, are you bald? If you still have enough hair to go to the barber, I'd shop for the best price. Because a twenty-dollar haircut is too expensive to sit on top of a ten cent mind.
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If you're single and making 50k a year, you're doing pretty good although likely choose the most expensive plan
Seriously... How fucking stupid are you?!?
Perhaps it's "pretty good" in whatever backwater trailer park and redneck state you live in. But try living in San Francisco, CA, New York, NY, Miami Beach, FL or Henderson, NV and then tell me you're doing pretty good. In all those places (and many more) the median income is well north of $100,000. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_ZCTAs_in_the_United_States for more.
Rent of $2,500 a month - $30,000 per year - isn't unrealistic in any of those places; hell, a friend of mine lives in San Francisco and rents a 1 bedroom, ~700 square foot apartment in the Financial District for $3,750 per month... that's $45,000 per year. If he made $50,000 per year he wouldn't be doing "pretty good". He'd be starving even if he had no other expenses.
So how about you stop generalizing and get back to peddling pills and shitty workout equipment over the Interwebs?
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Epic backfire on the board retard.
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That would liberals, which is why this country is fucked to begin with. I wouldnt put anything past this scumbag administration.
I'd say that it's much more likely that either Will Sheehan misunderstood what he read or flat out lied... Seriously, do you even have to read beyond the "your drivers license will be suspended" bullshit that this diabetic idiot writes?
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Glad to see you're browsing infowars.com Coach, looks like you've opened your mind a little bit! 8)
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Wellll....since almost everything that has been written about this shit head has been true and I haven't been wrong about him since he was "elected". This shouldnt come as a surprise. If I recall, they did this something in Cyprus only with people's savings. Keep talking libs, you haven't been right yet no matter how you spin it.
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^^ Poor idiot still in denial. I guess he "just doesn't get it" as his favorite excuse goes.
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^^ Poor idiot still in denial. I guess he "just doesn't get it" as his favorite excuse goes.
Typical lib response. Would and haven't expected anything less. Dumbest people on the planet bar none.
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Typical lib response. Would and haven't expected anything less. Dumbest people on the planet bar none.
Reading this third grade foreign student response puts you in the category of dumbest on the planet. Bar none.
Out of curiosity, is being so stupid painful? I mean, like do you have nonstop migraines from the pressure of stupidity inside your skull?
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Typical lib response. Would and haven't expected anything less. Dumbest people on the planet bar none.
this post alone says much about you.
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Two great back to back responses....thank's for proving my point..lol.
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So just where do you leftist communist hacks think the fines will be paid from if not tax returns, bank accounts or otherwise?
FNG morons.
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Reading this third grade foreign student response puts you in the category of dumbest on the planet. Bar none.
Out of curiosity, is being so stupid painful? I mean, like do you have nonstop migraines from the pressure of stupidity inside your skull?
x2
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this post alone says much about you.
Keep in mind Coach still thinks Sheriff Joe is correct and also claims there is scientific proof that prayer actually works. Yet can't post a link to anything that supports either claim.
What is it about short people being so damn dumb?
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Two great back to back responses....thank's for proving my point..lol.
lol now you did it again
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/03/john_mcafee_on_obamacare_this_is_a_hackers_wet_dream.html
booomm!!!
But Obama voting cultists will deny it till the end
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So just where do you leftist communist hacks think the fines will be paid from if not tax returns, bank accounts or otherwise?
FNG morons.
The question is whether the times will be "seized" – and the term has a specific legal meaning that even you should know – from your bank accounts (after your drivers license is suspended of course).
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Zero Enroll in New LA Plan on Obamacare’s First Day
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360210/zero-enroll-new-la-plan-obamacares-first-day-andrew-johnson (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360210/zero-enroll-new-la-plan-obamacares-first-day-andrew-johnson)
Isn't Obama going to have a government subsidy to pay for those that don't pay so the "tax" doesn't hurt their tax return? Looks like the smart non-workers know not to even sign-up, lol.
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http://freebeacon.com/study-obamacare-costing-66000-jobs-in-illinois
Booommm
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/03/john_mcafee_on_obamacare_this_is_a_hackers_wet_dream.html
booomm!!!
But Obama voting cultists will deny it till the end
Kabang!!!
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/obamacare-conspiracy-theory-lien-house-debunked
But tin foil hat nutcases (including fake veterans) will deny it to the end.
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Having it taken from your tax return is still on par with your bank account, as for those of us who work will know, your tax return is YOUR MONEY.
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Seriously... How fucking stupid are you?!?
Perhaps it's "pretty good" in whatever backwater trailer park and redneck state you live in. But try living in San Francisco, CA, New York, NY, Miami Beach, FL or Henderson, NV and then tell me you're doing pretty good. In all those places (and many more) the median income is well north of $100,000. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_ZCTAs_in_the_United_States for more.
Rent of $2,500 a month - $30,000 per year - isn't unrealistic in any of those places; hell, a friend of mine lives in San Francisco and rents a 1 bedroom, ~700 square foot apartment in the Financial District for $3,750 per month... that's $45,000 per year. If he made $50,000 per year he wouldn't be doing "pretty good". He'd be starving even if he had no other expenses.
So how about you stop generalizing and get back to peddling pills and shitty workout equipment over the Interwebs?
Lol, I see my last zip in the top 30, we actually had cops watching all incoming traffic on CCTV to keep anyone not white and not driving a german car out of our six figure hood.
Goodrum lives in a trailer park in buttfuck nowhere so its not surprising he has no understanding of how expensive it is to live in the nicer parts of the us.
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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 2, 2013
A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts/
AETNA has pulled out. Obamacare may just collapse soon.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/17/Aetna-Pulling-Out-Can-Anything-Save-Obamacare
Things like this may stop. Props for this Alex Jones article, coach.
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This is AWESOME. When ever I back your lying ass into a corner you get pissed and resurrect threads from years past. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahhaha
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This is AWESOME. When ever I back your lying ass into a corner you get pissed and resurrect threads from years past. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahhaha
Coach,
You agree with Alex Jones on his Bill Clinton body count theories.
You agree with Alex Jones on his Hilary Health issues being hidden.
You agree with Alex Jones on his Obama healthcare and other issues.
But you just think Alex Jones is completely wrong/liberal when he points out the holes in the 911 story, huh? ;)
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Meltdown ..hahahahahaha
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So just where do you leftist communist hacks think the fines will be paid from if not tax returns, bank accounts or otherwise?
FNG morons.
Last I heard, the SCOTUS defined it as a tax. (Right or wrong isn't the point here... I think all taxes are theft anyway)
All taxes are subject to bank seizures. Happens all of the time.
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Meltdown ..hahahahahaha
embrace it, coach. Bush was every bit the criminal that obama and bill and hilary are.
Alex jones is NOT political. He's not backing trump because he's a republican. He is backing trump - and working hard to elect him - because he knows Trump agrees with him on body count, 911 questions, and hilary health, and obama birth cert.
Just stop denying the 911 stuff, coach. Jones has been correct for 30 years.
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Coach,
You agree with Alex Jones on his Bill Clinton body count theories.
You agree with Alex Jones on his Hilary Health issues being hidden.
You agree with Alex Jones on his Obama healthcare and other issues.
But you just think Alex Jones is completely wrong/liberal when he points out the holes in the 911 story, huh? ;)
I don't agree with Alex Jones you idiot. He didn't say it. I 10000% back Drew in ANYTHING he states. There ya go again. You're really having hard time aren't ya?
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I don't agree with Alex Jones you idiot. He didn't say it. I 10000% back Drew in ANYTHING he states. There ya go again. You're really having hard time aren't ya?
You sure post a lot of Alex jones, and you sure agree with all of his theories (except those on Bush, oddly).
Face it, you're a partisan hack. You buy into every CT about every democrat no matter how much, or how little, evidence there is.
But put an (R) next to 3 towers demolished into powder and molten steel, and "nothing to see here, folks..."
You call me an idiot? You're the one wearing partisan blinders.
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You sure post a lot of Alex jones, and you sure agree with all of his theories (except those on Bush, oddly).
Face it, you're a partisan hack. You buy into every CT about every democrat no matter how much, or how little, evidence there is.
But put an (R) next to 3 towers demolished into powder and molten steel, and "nothing to see here, folks..."
You call me an idiot? You're the one wearing partisan blinders.
Haha, pot meet kettle. I make no bones about where I stand. You on the other hand lie everyday about almost everything. Like I said. You without google is like Obama without a TelePrompTer.
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::) ::) ::) As if whatever someone posts on their Facebook page must be the truth. Some people are incredibly gullible.
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Haha, pot meet kettle. I make no bones about where I stand. You on the other hand lie everyday about almost everything. Like I said. You without google is like Obama without a TelePrompTer.
We call that President of the United States.