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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: WeightPSHR on December 30, 2005, 04:15:28 PM
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Does anyone think that the reason the Jaguar was burned with the body was to destroy any blood evidence that may have been in the car for whatever reason? It just seems stupid to burn/use their own car otherwise.
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I can not think of one good reason why this would of been done.
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I'm just thinking that after using the Jag to transport the body, they figured they might as well burn it to destroy any DNA evidence. They could not keep it with if it had DNA evidence.
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I thought of that too....but I'm sure the police would ask why the car was not reported stolen?
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sounds like alot of b.s.
They prolly thought...
"The police would never think we would actually use our own car"
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Yes, which goes along with the theory of wanting it to look like someone else did it. So they tied up and duct taped the body to further make it look like it was done by someone else she had stolen from or something.
It's the "what do I look that st00pid, using my own car" defense
Ok....I agree with that....
but...
why would anyone want to start an investigation in their own backyard?
That theory works well in junior high but in adult behavior...no
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I agree with your theory....along with many others on this board :)
But I just can't see them involving their car if they didn't have too. It brings too much suspicion on to them. Like everyone says "Why not just bury the body?" but nobody had mentioned how they would get the body to the burial site. Along with the transport of the body in the Jag came DNA that needed to destroyed.
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... but nobody had mentioned how they would get the body to the burial site. Along with the transport of the body in the Jag came DNA that needed to destroyed.
Craig had a pickup truck. Wrap the body in plastic, put it in a 55-gal. drum, put the drum in the bed of the pickup, drive out to the desert, bury the body. How fuccking tough is it? ::)
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you know how probodybuilders are
it's all about
ME
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anything you want to share with the board m'phag? ::)
:-X
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Putting her to sleep and inducing an "accidental" self-inflicted OD would've been much tidier, with no need to dispose of the body or lose the car.
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I've heard of crack whores in Oceanside b.s. better & come up with a better plan than Craig & kelly
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The destruction of any potential DNA evidence doesn't make any sense to me.
They could have simply had the car detailed for that. If any strands of hair or a skin cell or two was found, it would be completely insignificant. She lived with them for a few months. As a personal asst. it could be argued she had plenty of access to the vehicle. If anything, the lack of her DNA would prove more suspicious as it would indicate a thorough clean-up
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I've heard of crack whores in Oceanside b.s. better & come up with a better plan
Really?
What plan did Geo come up with?
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Another theory says they were high and just wanted to heat some marshmellows in a camping type setting.
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Another theory says they were high and just wanted to heat some marshmellows in a camping type setting...
...And somehow the girl had crawled into their trunk and fallen asleep. How could they have known she was in there? ;D
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...And somehow the girl had crawled into their trunk and fallen asleep. How could they have known she was in there? ;D
she heard from a crack whore in oceanside....
that's the thing to do
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Does anyone think that the reason the Jaguar was burned with the body was to destroy any blood evidence that may have been in the car for whatever reason? It just seems stupid to burn/use their own car otherwise.
No.... I actually I have thought about a different theory. It is a little out there, but I think it would make sense. I really think CT was trying to get MJ out of Las Vegas. Possibly Kelly was on to them, and was out of control. It would correlate with what MJ told her mom. I think Kelly in a rage accidentally killed her. I do think she wanted to hurt her, but not murder. It happened and she confronted craig. At this point knowing that KR live was ruined, and feeling responsible CT came up with a plan. They were already liquidating their assets before all this went down selling their houses. So cash flow appears to already be a big issue.
I think CT seeing no other way out, because he did not want the love of his life rotting in jail , tried to fake KR's death. She could then as sick as it sounds assume MJ's identity. They would have had all her legal documents since she lived there like passports to leave the country. If there was a insurance policy on KR , CT could have collected on it. The whole thing was orchestrated to lead LE to that conclusion. The making sure that cameras caught KR buying lighter fluid and BB tools, and placing them in her Jag with a unidentified man. There have never been any verifiable reports that I have seen saying that man was CT. Burning the jag were it could easily be found, and with BB tools in it was part of the plan. Making the license plate easily findable etc. The idea was to burn the body beyond recognition. The goal was to leave evidence for LE to think it was KR that died not MJ. Think about it , no one is this dumb to leave so many tracks. We are talking about a street savvy guy that served time. He got a ugly education in there I gurantee you.
I do not buy that the Gross guy turned himself in . I think they found his finger prints at the scene , and this guy probably had a record. They visited him, bluffed him and he gave up CT and KR and who was in the trunk. I think all the duct tape and gauze crap is just another bluff by Las Vegas LE . They really have nothing on CT and KR except the Gross guys word. Take a look at the vehicle it is completely burned out. Once interogated and let go CT and KR then decided to flee. I do not buy that their stories did not match. I think LE leaked this to get CT and KR to run , or make them make mistakes and slip up. I also think they gave some leaked disinformation to see if any friends would come to their defense and post, or report any clues like the mandy girl, or MK .
I also think LE knows that CT did not kill the girl, but have charged him thinking that KR will break down and tell the truth to keep him from taking the fall. If neither one of them breaks it will be a purely circumstantial case . My guess is gross now knows that he was played and has retracted his initial story that was probably given without a lawyer present. I know most of you think LE had all this evidence to actually charge them, but I think they are fishing.
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Maybe what happened was they were going to a drive-in movie. They stuck Melissa in the trunk so they wouldn't have to pay for her. They forgot she was there and on the way to torch their Jag because they realized they should have bought a Mercedes, Melissa died. Myabe that's what happened.
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Hey Gambler, ...ever consider writing a screenplay?
That theory of yours is pretty far-fetched, ...but when you massage it a bit to work out the kinks, has potential. It's way out there, but everything about this case is way out there, and it does account for some of the events that transpired, ...especially since they found the car about an hour after Kelly's visit to Walmart.
Hey Gambler, ...you sure you're not a NV prosecutor testing out angles to see what would fly among a potential jury of their peers?
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Putting her to sleep and inducing an "accidental" self-inflicted OD would've been much tidier, with no need to dispose of the body or lose the car.
Yup, but when the mind's not working on all cylinders, you aren't thinking clearly. In hind sight they could of done it alot better. It would of seemed like an od in the hotel room. They were armatures and will pay the price, if all the circumstantial evidence adds up. It seems like they just panicked and left a trail that led the feds right to them.
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One thing is for sure....
I don't believe the car was stolen.
Rule that out & Craig prolly let her borrow it until she had flown back home.
He prolly has a few friends that can testify her driving it around town.
Find a dead body in the back of the car is actually an old mob movie thing...Craig prolly saw that in the movie Good Fellas.
Who, how, when, & where she actually died is still unknown.
Craig would have been smarter by giving Melissa cash instead for a rental.
It would have helped to keep his & kellys DNA out of the crime scene.
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Maybe what happened was they were going to a drive-in movie. They stuck Melissa in the trunk so they wouldn't have to pay for her. They forgot she was there and on the way to torch their Jag because they realized they should have bought a Mercedes, Melissa died. Myabe that's what happened.
lol ;D
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Find a dead body in the back of the car is actually an old mob movie thing...Craig prolly saw that in the movie Good Fellas.
Yeah, getting murder tips from a movie is a bad idea.
You've gotta watch CSI and City Confidential if you want to know how not to get caught.
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"Thelma & Louis" included useful tips on wiring money and leaving the country.
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Craig had a pickup truck. Wrap the body in plastic, put it in a 55-gal. drum, put the drum in the bed of the pickup, drive out to the desert, bury the body. How fuccking tough is it? ::)
Don't you think it would be kind of suspicious driving into the desert with a big truck and 55- gal drum in the back??? You ever heard of a trunk to conceal things???? ::) No matter how much plastic is used , there will always be some kind of DNA left behind. If were only as simple as you make it out to be.
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Don't you think it would be kind of suspicious driving into the desert with a big truck and 55- gal drum in the back??? You ever heard of a trunk to conceal things???? ::) No matter how much plastic is used , there will always be some kind of DNA left behind. If were only as simple as you make it out to be.
was the other vehicle a pick-up. i thought it was a bronco looking machine?
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Craig had a pickup truck. Wrap the body in plastic, put it in a 55-gal. drum, put the drum in the bed of the pickup, drive out to the desert, bury the body. How fuccking tough is it? ::)
Well you know how pro bodybuilders are. He was too lazy to dig the hole and there was no one to pay him to show up at the potential grave site.
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was the other vehicle a pick-up. i thought it was a bronco looking machine?
He had a Dodge Viper truck before he traded it in.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-23-Fri-2005/news/5034653.html
"Titus told Ruiz he had to leave the country," an investigator wrote, adding that Titus had traded in his Dodge Viper truck for a new vehicle and intended to meet a friend in Boston to liquidate his assets.
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Well you know how pro bodybuilders are. He was too lazy to dig the hole and there was no one to pay him to show up at the potential grave site.
lol yeah done in by his own laziness. like i said before it isnt like he would have been digging up clay. he coulda hired some illegal guy for a day at the local Duron Paint parkinglot for the digging.
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You ever heard of a trunk to conceal things???? ::) No matter how much plastic is used , there will always be some kind of DNA left behind.
That's why you don't use the trunk of a car... too easy to retain evidence.
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he coulda hired some illegal guy for a day at the local Duron Paint parkinglot for the digging.
Only if he planned to kill the guy too. Every additional person you involve is an additional person who could testify against you. (see Tony Gross for example. ::))
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That's why you don't use the trunk of a car... too easy to retain evidence.
You could not have said it better. Exactly the reason I started the this thread......Jaguar was used to transport body, trunk contained too much evidence, burn jag with body.
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He had a Dodge Viper truck before he traded it in.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-23-Fri-2005/news/5034653.html
"Titus told Ruiz he had to leave the country," an investigator wrote, adding that Titus had traded in his Dodge Viper truck for a new vehicle and intended to meet a friend in Boston to liquidate his assets.
i suspect it was more about the availability of cash in boston. he could have liquidated by fax like many business do
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i suspect it was more about the availability of cash in boston. he could have liquidated by fax like many business do
Agreed. Someone just asked if he owend a truck before the new truck.
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Agreed. Someone just asked if he owend a truck before the new truck.
lol trucks come in various production models.
i didnt know the Dodge Viper is a pickup truck.
i thought the Viper was an SUV.
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Just curious; is that an XJ8 or an X-Type or an S-Type Jaguar. I can't tell in those burned-up photos. Just curious... thanks.
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Just curious; is that an XJ8 or an X-Type or an S-Type Jaguar. I can't tell in those burned-up photos. Just curious... thanks.
Interesting question. Why?
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You know I have a boyfriend, not a girlfriend.... silly boy. XOXO
Edit: Hey, what happened to my insult?
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You know I have a boyfriend, not a girlfriend.... silly boy. XOXO
Edit: Hey, what happened to my insult?
Hey no hard feelings.......I typed that before I realized you were able to take some serious COK
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LOL.
The reason I ask about the type of Jag is; I knew Craig for many years. He had been over to my house and he always commented on my car at the time; it was an XJ6. I hope he bought a XJ8 and not the X-Type (pretty much a nice Ford Taurus), or at least the S-Type. I guess I'm a car bluff.
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finding parts for the old british imports is much easier since the internet. nice thing about jag now is just drive into ford dealer.
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I had a 1969 Triumph GT6. It was essentially a Spitfire, with a fastback and a 6 cylinder. It was referred to as a "poor man's Jaguar", because it resembled an XKE. The materials and workmanship were really shitty, but it was fun to drive.
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lol a bucket of bolts
we remember those
a real sportscar
the last new car we purchased was '99
now i just drive old pieces of junk
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IronGame nice car I had (my first car) was a 1959 MGA. Also had that similar look. I loved the XKE. I appeared that the jag was a S-series the cheaper model. No way is that an XJ8
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What do you think Craig's excuse will be for trading in the Truck? That will be an interesting one. I guess while visiting for the holidays they just decided to trade in their truck ???
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What do you think Craig's excuse will be for trading in the Truck? That will be an interesting one. I guess while visiting for the holidays they just decided to trade in their truck ???
I don't know that he needs one. I mean, exactly how does buying a new truck help him? He bought it from a dealer and put it in his name. I could understand if he bought it under the table from some lot and never registered it, but I don't think that's the case.
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few people knew he purchased a new truck and if they had stop using cell phones and shut up they would have gone further.
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few people knew he purchased a new truck and if they had stop using cell phones and shut up they would have gone further.
They were idiots about the whole thing from start to finish. They shouldn't have told a single person, not one, where they were going or that they were even leaving. They should have thrown their cell phones away on day one (or better yet, leave then on and toss then in the back of a tractor-trailer headed the opposite direction.) Also, they should have made a bee-line for the border the minute they decided to run... fucck Boston.
Sad thing is, even a kid would be smart enough to figure out and follow the above advice... not Craiggers! :D
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he underestimated FBI surveillance techniques once they crossed the nevada state line the FBI was on the case
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I agree....the purchase of the New truck didn't help him at all & didn't go against him.
Maybe when you kill someone you feel guilty & just want to do something to make yourself feel better.
Craig = New Truck
Kelly = Pedicure
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yeah lol buy the biggest truck you can
nobody will notice you
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Craig always had his priorities straight.....eat right, train hard, get good sleep at night, get new truck to ride in style when you're on the run after commiting murder....
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Craig always had his priorities straight.....eat right, train hard, get good sleep at night, get new truck to ride in style when you're on the run after commiting murder....
let's not forget the BJ's from anonymous girls they picked up along the way (medford)