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http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/08/nbc-news-host-has-his-insurance-canceled-much-more-expensive-one
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Did he leave MSNBC voluntarily, ...or was he fired for telling the truth on-air? ???
He's had a few good on air rants which I'm sure ran counter to the memo.
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Did he leave MSNBC voluntarily, ...or was he fired for telling the truth on-air? ???
He's had a few good on air rants which I'm sure ran counter to the memo.
Don't know but Obama needs to be jailed or impeached for his lies and crimes.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/11/08/ex-msnbc-anchor-screwed-by-obamacare
LOL - hope and change suckers!
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Telling the truth about politics gets you the door.
People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear how the other side is wrong.
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Telling the truth about politics gets you the door.
People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear how the other side is wrong.
Obama is wrong ALL THE TIME ALWAYS.
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Telling the truth about politics gets you the door.
People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear how the other side is wrong.
Oh the incredible irony... I'm trying hard not to bust a gut at the irony of that post. I'm about to pee. ROTFLMAO!
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Lmao!!!! When an MSNBC host gets his insurance canceled and slams obama publically, you know things are not looking good for the
socialistdemocratic party ;D
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Quit bitching like an evil, greedy republican and pay your fair share, Mr. Ratigan.
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Lmao!!!! When an MSNBC host gets his insurance canceled and slams obama publically, you know things are not looking good for the socialistdemocratic party ;D
Taken a look at the Republican party lately? Both parties are looking more and more like Dumb & Dumber. :-\
You guys might as well save yourselves the wait times in line and simply not vote next election.
Stay home, wash your hair, bathe the cat, eat Hallowe'en candy til you puke...
You will have accomplished far more than you would by entering a ballot booth. seriously.
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I will stand in line to vote against the democrat no matter what. They must be removed
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OBAMA told us all the "change was coming", NO ONE ASKED HIM WHAT HE MEANT by that. After 5yrs it is clear. destruction of america. all hail the anti-christ obama.
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Taken a look at the Republican party lately? Both parties are looking more and more like Dumb & Dumber. :-\
You guys might as well save yourselves the wait times in line and simply not vote next election.
Stay home, wash your hair, bathe the cat, eat Hallowe'en candy til you puke...
You will have accomplished far more than you would by entering a ballot booth. seriously.
defending his bill by bashing Republicans only works on mindless lemmings.
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defending his bill by bashing Republicans only works on mindless lemmings.
Do you see any shortage of mindless lemmings? I don't. :-\
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I will stand in line to vote against the democrat no matter what. They must be removed
...said the Republican in 2000. Look how well that turned out.
...said the Democrats in 2008. Look how well that turned out.
What if there was an election, ...and no one showed up?
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At times he was delusional and anti-constitutional.
He placed all his trust on obamatheclown to the point that he wanted him to step over Congress because according to him Congress is "bought". He is right that there are too many lobyists with too much influence. But to think that obamatheclown is as pure as the undriven snow was naive.
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Sucks for him, but that's what he voted for.
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Sucks for him, but that's what he voted for.
Elections have consequences and the last 2 will have consequences for decades to come.
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Elections have consequences and the last 2 will have consequences for decades to come.
...possibly centuries :-\
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Sucks for him, but that's what he voted for.
I didn't vote for O-GHETTO and the same exact thing happened to me.
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I didn't vote for O-GHETTO and the same exact thing happened to me.
Well you're just an idiot for living in the USA. You should have gotten out while you could.
You could have moved to Canada the UK, where you would've been guaranteed health care coverage. ;D
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Well you're just an idiot for living in the USA. You should have gotten out while you could.
You could have moved to Canada the UK, where you would've been guaranteed health care coverage. ;D
No thanks. I prefer we just send Obama back to Kenya where he belongs and get rid of obamcare
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Elections have consequences and the last 2 will have consequences for decades to come.
True, unfortunately.
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I didn't vote for O-GHETTO and the same exact thing happened to me.
Yeah. Elections have consequences for all of us.
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Well you're just an idiot for living in the USA. You should have gotten out while you could.
You could have moved to Canada the UK, where you would've been guaranteed health care coverage. ;D
Guaranteed crappy health care, for the small price of half of your income. No wonder so many Canadians move to the greatest country on planet earth.
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Obama and those that voted for him need to be exiled to north korea
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Obama and those that voted for him need to be exiled to north korea
How about Detroit instead? Its a better punishment.
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Quit bitching like an evil, greedy republican and pay your fair share, Mr. Ratigan.
;D
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/11/08/msnbc-host-loses-catostrophic-insurance-is-baffled-n1743218?utm_source=facebook
LOL - he is still tweeting that he cant believe this happened.
Typical. Welcome to those of us who knew Obama was set to collapse this nation 6-7 years ago Dylan you tool.
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Oh the incredible irony... I'm trying hard not to bust a gut at the irony of that post. I'm about to pee. ROTFLMAO!
I would agree if there was any kind of truth in what you post instead of some lame attempt to lead the dialog towards your business.
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Guaranteed crappy health care, for the small price of half of your income. No wonder so many Canadians move to the greatest country on planet earth.
Not true.
Does health care cost half their income?
Health care isn't perfect there. Neither is it here.
But what they do have there is NO outrageous health care costs to be the burden of lower or middle class families. No uninsured and NO ACA.
And from actual first hand sources, most are happy of it.
Then lets take our system:
Over priced care
Over compensated to insure from malpractice
Over politicized
Over priced drugs
And then this ACA which is just going to make it all cost more.
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Elections have consequences and the last 2 will have consequences for decades to come.
try the last 4 (if not more)
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try the last 4 (if not more)
Obama lied - Ratigans Health Insurance Died
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Obama lied - Ratigans Health Insurance Died
at least he can still get insurance
I'm sure the the tens of thousands who died needlessly in Iraq and the many more who were maimed and disfigured wish they could trade problems with him
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serves him right for buying a cheap, shitty policy in the first place.
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serves him right for buying a cheap, shitty policy in the first place.
So much for leftists being pro choice.
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Not true.
Does health care cost half their income?
Health care isn't perfect there. Neither is it here.
But what they do have there is NO outrageous health care costs to be the burden of lower or middle class families. No uninsured and NO ACA.
And from actual first hand sources, most are happy of it.
Then lets take our system:
Over priced care
Over compensated to insure from malpractice
Over politicized
Over priced drugs
And then this ACA which is just going to make it all cost more.
I've heard from multiple Canadians that the their government takes 50 percent or more of income over $100k (and possible less). That doesn't mean healthcare per se costs 50 percent of their income. The taxes are used to pay for the healthcare system and all the other "free" stuff they get.
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I've heard from multiple Canadians that the their government takes 50 percent or more of income over $100k (and possible less). That doesn't mean healthcare per se costs 50 percent of their income. The taxes are used to pay for the healthcare system and all the other "free" stuff they get.
What percentage of their population earns over 100k?
Let says it's 10%...
So 90% pay what.... 20-30%? I truely don't know.
And what percentage of that is responsible for free health care?
...Health care that works, not perfect, but works.
That all seems far and away from these claims:
Guaranteed crappy health care, for the small price of half of your income. No wonder so many Canadians move to the greatest country on planet earth.
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http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html)
Is this right? 29% for income 135k plus.
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serves him right for buying a cheap, shitty policy in the first place.
Yeah, like the cancer patient paying more for a shittier policy. ::)
Fuck you. It's funny watching the totalitarians expose themselves. So much for Dems and their claims that they actually give a shit about people.
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What percentage of their population earns over 100k?
Let says it's 10%...
So 90% pay what.... 20-30%? I truely don't know.
And what percentage of that is responsible for free health care?
...Health care that works, not perfect, but works.
That all seems far and away from these claims:
I don't know what percentage makes over six figures, but it's likely that those folks shoulder the bulk of the tax burden, just like in the U.S.
I doubt their overall tax burden is segregated at the time the money is taken. Money likely goes into a general fund and then it gets divided up. So if the tax burden is 50 percent, and part of that 50 percent is used to pay for "free" healthcare, then yes I believe half their income is used to pay for socialized medicine.
But I'm not going to try and act like an authority on anything related to Canada. Don't know enough about their system. Just relying on what several Canadians have told me.
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serves him right for buying a cheap, shitty policy in the first place.
That's right. Big Brother knows best.
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I don't know what percentage makes over six figures, but it's likely that those folks shoulder the bulk of the tax burden, just like in the U.S.
I doubt their overall tax burden is segregated at the time the money is taken. Money likely goes into a general fund and then it gets divided up. So if the tax burden is 50 percent, and part of that 50 percent is used to pay for "free" healthcare, then yes I believe half their income is used to pay for socialized medicine.
But I'm not going to try and act like an authority on anything related to Canada. Don't know enough about their system. Just relying on what several Canadians have told me.
It doesn't look like the tax burden is 50% according to the link. It also shows 26% for next group under 135k.
And yet we have these misconceptions thinking its 50% and it's garbage health care.
Our system has led us to overpriced healthcare, over priced drugs.
And with ACA it just got worse.
So while we spend time watching our 2 parties point fingers at each other, it looks like Canadians pay less for drugs and care while we f-Ed over.
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It doesn't look like the tax burden is 50% according to the link. It also shows 26% for next group under 135k.
And yet we have these misconceptions thinking its 50% and it's garbage health care.
Our system has led us to overpriced healthcare, over priced drugs.
And with ACA it just got worse.
So while we spend time watching our 2 parties point fingers at each other, it looks like Canadians pay less for drugs and care while we f-Ed over.
I don't know how accurate the link is or how to calculate Canadian taxes.
Not sure they pay less for drugs and care when you factor in the respective tax burdens.
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I don't know how accurate the link is or how to calculate Canadian taxes.
Not sure they pay less for drugs and care when you factor in the respective tax burdens.
They pay about 13% extra peach purchase. A few years ago I think I remember seeing some comparisons of drugs and it was significant.
The link looks like their official tax collection agency web site.
Also, if I remember it right, in 2006 or soething there was big deal about Permitting Canadian generics to be sold here. It wasn't passed.
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They pay about 13% extra peach purchase. A few years ago I think I remember seeing some comparisons of drugs and it was significant.
The link looks like their official tax collection agency web site.
Also, if I remember it right, in 2006 or soething there was big deal about Permitting Canadian generics to be sold here. It wasn't passed.
The prescription drugs might be cheaper, but if the price is cheaper because the government is taking that money through taxes, then it's really not a savings.
Plus how much cheaper could it be if we're talking about copays for prescription drugs? A few bucks? The bigger expenses would seem to be medical procedures not covered by insurance.
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The prescription drugs might be cheaper, but if the price is cheaper because the government is taking that money through taxes, then it's really not a savings.
Plus how much cheaper could it be if we're talking about copays for prescription drugs? A few bucks? The bigger expenses would seem to be medical procedures not covered by insurance.
If? Do you know they are because of that or are you assuming?
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If? Do you know they are because of that or are you assuming?
I'm not assuming they have a socialized healthcare system, which requires them to heavily tax their citizens, but I am assuming that amount is 50 percent or more for those making over about $100k.
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That's right. Big Brother knows best.
yes, She does.
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The prescription drugs might be cheaper, but if the price is cheaper because the government is taking that money through taxes, then it's really not a savings.
It IS really a savings. Per wiki, "Drug prices are negotiated with suppliers by the federal government to control costs." This is why the USA should adopt single payer; Our population/market is larger than Canada's so we would have even more power to demand reasonable prices.
Our lack of "leverage" in our every-man-for-himself system is the biggest reason for why we pay so much more than other countries.
Here, this guy explains it way better than I can:
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yes, She does.
No, he doesn't.
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It IS really a savings. Per wiki, "Drug prices are negotiated with suppliers by the federal government to control costs." This is why the USA should adopt single payer; Our population/market is larger than Canada's so we would have even more power to demand reasonable prices.
Our lack of "leverage" in our every-man-for-himself system is the biggest reason for why we pay so much more than other countries.
Here, this guy explains it way better than I can:
How is it a savings if they make up for it with higher taxes?
Who is the guy in the video and why should I invest seven minutes of my life listening to him?
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How is it a savings if they make up for it with higher taxes?
Who is the guy in the video and why should I invest seven minutes of my life listening to him?
I can tell you just by looking at him that I won't spend 1 second listening to him because by appearance alone I already know he is completely full of shit.
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I can tell you just by looking at him that I won't spend 1 second listening to him because by appearance alone I already know he is completely full of shit.
Oh, you're right, he definitely looks like a goof. He's smart, though. On Youtube he has some show called, uh, mental truth or some shit. I ran across it (via xbox live where the youtube functionality is kinda unwieldy). I watched another of his videos called something like 25 superstitions that have to do with religion or something like that.
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How is it a savings if they make up for it with higher taxes?
Who is the guy in the video and why should I invest seven minutes of my life listening to him?
It's a savings because it's NOT made up from higher taxes.
The consumers' price is lower because the supplier price to the US government will be lower (like it is for other countries who have single payer). Similar to the savings you can get from buying crap from Wal-mart -- Because super-giant corp Walmart is such a huge and important customer to all the chinese companies they buy from (because they buy stuff in huge quantities), Wal-mart TELLS THEM how much they will pay for stuff and those companies whine and complain but they end up doing what Wal-mart says unless they're actually losing money. (And then Wal-mart charges us bargain prices for shit until they've driven all the competition out of the market and then they raise the price again and make huge margins --- but that's another story...)
You should only listen to the guy in the video if you want to be able to better understand how important the different factors that affect healtcare price are.
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It's a savings because it's NOT made up from higher taxes.
The consumers' price is lower because the supplier price to the US government will be lower (like it is for other countries who have single payer). Similar to the savings you can get from buying crap from Wal-mart -- Because super-giant corp Walmart is such a huge and important customer to all the chinese companies they buy from (because they buy stuff in huge quantities), Wal-mart TELLS THEM how much they will pay for stuff and those companies whine and complain but they end up doing what Wal-mart says unless they're actually losing money. (And then Wal-mart charges us bargain prices for shit until they've driven all the competition out of the market and then they raise the price again and make huge margins --- but that's another story...)
You should only listen to the guy in the video if you want to be able to better understand how important the different factors that affect healtcare price are.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the Canadian vs. U.S. systems. If the cost of prescription drugs in Canada is lower by a few bucks than the cost of prescription drugs in the U.S., but overall taxes in Canada are much higher than the U.S., then the "savings" people get on drugs isn't really a savings.
Wait . . . do Canadian citizens have to pay for prescription drugs? That might make the entire comparison pretty meaningless.
And I think I have exhausted my quota of talking about anything Canada related for the next year or so.
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at least he can still get insurance
I'm sure the the tens of thousands who died needlessly in Iraq and the many more who were maimed and disfigured wish they could trade problems with him
right. and you should tell Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi this. I would tell you to tell George Bush. But he's not in office anymore. So whats the point? But Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi are.
I'm sure you're absolutely outraged that they are still able to hold office after voting in favor of the war in Iraq right? Oh wait. you don't care. they are for gay marriage and abortion. so you'll vote for them no matter what they do.
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I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the Canadian vs. U.S. systems. If the cost of prescription drugs in Canada is lower by a few bucks than the cost of prescription drugs in the U.S., but overall taxes in Canada are much higher than the U.S., then the "savings" people get on drugs isn't really a savings.
Wait . . . do Canadian citizens have to pay for prescription drugs? That might make the entire comparison pretty meaningless.
And I think I have exhausted my quota of talking about anything Canada related for the next year or so.
http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8)
Americans have the highest prescription drug costs in the world.
And more than ever, nearly half, fill a monthly prescription, according to this infographic from YellowRobin via visual.ly.
U.S. citizens pay more than twice as much for common prescription drugs than in countries like Canada, Germany and Australia.
For instance, the acid reflux drug Nexium costs the average British person $782 a year. However, Americans pay much more than that, $2,710.
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/the-prescription-drug-price-tsunami--are-we-powerless_503bccb2cfa91_w587.jpg)
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And guess what - Obama made a deal w these same companies to make it even worse. Hope and Change sucker
http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8)
Americans have the highest prescription drug costs in the world.
And more than ever, nearly half, fill a monthly prescription, according to this infographic from YellowRobin via visual.ly.
U.S. citizens pay more than twice as much for common prescription drugs than in countries like Canada, Germany and Australia.
For instance, the acid reflux drug Nexium costs the average British person $782 a year. However, Americans pay much more than that, $2,710.
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/the-prescription-drug-price-tsunami--are-we-powerless_503bccb2cfa91_w587.jpg)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/see-how-much-more-americans-pay-for-prescription-drugs-2012-8)
Americans have the highest prescription drug costs in the world.
And more than ever, nearly half, fill a monthly prescription, according to this infographic from YellowRobin via visual.ly.
U.S. citizens pay more than twice as much for common prescription drugs than in countries like Canada, Germany and Australia.
For instance, the acid reflux drug Nexium costs the average British person $782 a year. However, Americans pay much more than that, $2,710.
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/the-prescription-drug-price-tsunami--are-we-powerless_503bccb2cfa91_w587.jpg)
Does Britain make up for the annual $1928 in additional prescription drug medication costs by imposing higher overall taxes?
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Does Britain make up for the annual $1928 in additional prescription drug medication costs by imposing higher overall taxes?
Don't know. Do they?
Are the 23% of of savings eaten by taxes in Canada?
We have to pay 7-9% sales tax, they have to pay 13%-15% i think.
Their income tax is higher? How much higher?
Do we pay that much less income taxes than those countries?
Is it logical to directly relate taxes and health care costs?
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Don't know. Do they?
Are the 23% of of savings eaten by taxes in Canada?
We have to pay 7-9% sales tax, they have to pay 13%-15% i think.
Their income tax is higher? How much higher?
Do we pay that much less income taxes than those countries?
Is it logical to directly relate taxes and health care costs?
I have no idea. You posted the info on Britain. I don't think the prescription drug cost differential means much when viewed in isolation.
Yes it's logical to directly relate taxes to health care costs, if we're talking about a socialist country. A socialist country is able to offer "free" stuff by taxing its citizens.
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600dollar per month? Thats alot of money/year. It should be 600/year. Im glad we dont need that here in sweden if would not be fun to pay 1/4 of your salary to that
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I have no idea. You posted the info on Britain. I don't think the prescription drug cost differential means much when viewed in isolation.
Yes it's logical to directly relate taxes to health care costs, if we're talking about a socialist country. A socialist country is able to offer "free" stuff by taxing its citizens.
In order to do that you would have to know what percentage of taxes go to health care costs.
The cost differential does mean much when it comes out of pocket. I realize a portion of that comes out with taxes. However, to what extent?
Until i see something that says otherwise i find it hard to believe that "extra" taxes i would pay in Canada that directly relate to healthcare would make it more expensive than the "extra" cost i pay in the USA.
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In order to do that you would have to know what percentage of taxes go to health care costs.
The cost differential does mean much when it comes out of pocket. I realize a portion of that comes out with taxes. However, to what extent?
Until i see something that says otherwise i find it hard to believe that "extra" taxes i would pay in Canada that directly relate to healthcare would make it more expensive than the "extra" cost i pay in the USA.
Not really. I'm unaware of government segregating tax revenue they take from individuals to allocate to socialized healthcare costs. That's not typically how tax collection works.
So if a person "saves" $50 a month on prescription medication, but pays $150 in higher overall taxes, the person is still saving money?
I don't know what the precise numbers are, but in order for me to conclude the cost of healthcare is less expensive, I have to know what the overall tax burden is in both countries.
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Not really. I'm unaware of government segregating tax revenue they take from individuals to allocate to socialized healthcare costs. That's not typically how tax collection works.
So if a person "saves" $50 a month on prescription medication, but pays $150 in higher overall taxes, the person is still saving money?
I don't know what the precise numbers are, but in order for me to conclude the cost of healthcare is less expensive, I have to know what the overall tax burden is in both countries.
Are they paying $150 a month higher taxes due to cheaper meds? I don't think so.
They are paying higher taxes and one of the things they get free health care. They still pay for their prescriptions.
So a Canadian citizen while paying higher taxes gets free healthcare, and cheaper prescriptions.
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http://theweek.com/article/index/252607/how-obama-is-soaking-the-young
Fuck Obama and everyone who voted for him - robbing us blind
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Are they paying $150 a month higher taxes due to cheaper meds? I don't think so.
They are paying higher taxes and one of the things they get free health care. They still pay for their prescriptions.
So a Canadian citizen while paying higher taxes gets free healthcare, and cheaper prescriptions.
It doesn't really matter if the higher taxes are due to cheaper meds, roads and bridges, education, etc. Higher taxes feel exactly the same. It's money out of someone's pocket.
I know we're talking hypothetical numbers, but the way I see it is if a person's net income after taxes is higher, but they wind up with the same benefits at the end of the day, then the system that allows the person to keep more of their own money is both less expensive and better for the taxpayer.
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It doesn't really matter if the higher taxes are due to cheaper meds, roads and bridges, education, etc. Higher taxes feel exactly the same. It's money out of someone's pocket.
I know we're talking hypothetical numbers, but the way I see it is if a person's net income after taxes is higher, but they wind up with the same benefits at the end of the day, then the system that allows the person to keep more of their own money is both less expensive and better for the taxpayer.
I can agree with that in principle, IF the cost for private healthcare is cheaper vs the extra amount they pay in taxes for free health care. Which is something i find hard to believe considering the costs we are seeing before ACA and now with ACA increasing costs.
And Canadians still get cheaper drugs, 23% less cheaper on average.