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Take a 30 yr old with a 300lb 1 rep max natty bench. Assuming continued training, good health and nutrition, what's an estimate of his bench at 40, 50, 60 & 70?
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135, 45, -45,, derek anthony.
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I hit a 545lbs on a 16" box squat at 51 on Saturday and today put up a 270lb atlas stone on a 50" platform today. I'm 230.
It depends on how you train.
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I was able to hold my bench strength to about 45. Appears to be dropping slowly, maybe 5-10 pounds a year.
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I was able to hold my bench strength to about 45. Appears to be dropping slowly, maybe 5-10 pounds a year.
I don't know what my bench press strength is because I changed to machines when I developed arthritis in my hands which compromised my grip. Since I never power lifted, this didn't bother me. As long as I can still exercise and stay fit, I am happy.
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I don't know what my bench press strength is because I changed to machines when I developed arthritis in my hands which compromised my grip. Since I never power lifted, this didn't bother me. As long as I can still exercise and stay fit, I am happy.
I hear you. The slight decrease does mess with your head a little, but still look and am stronger than most, so I am happy.
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While sprinting is a speed event, sprinters train similarly to strength athletes. They do 6-8 reps of their distance and go home. So, a comparison might be applicable. If you apply these numbers to a bench press, a guy with a 300lb bench at 35 will have ~270 at 50, and ~225 at 65.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/40b46b6259d0749150c5ed62b4a64211_zps2cd2d32e.jpg)
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I hit a 545lbs on a 16" box squat at 51 on Saturday and today put up a 270lb atlas stone on a 50" platform today. I'm 230.
It depends on how you train.
Nice weight,16 inch is a little high though no?
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Strength can stay into your early 50's without juice. What you lose is power and that important athletic attribute starts to leave at around 45. Yes, power and strength are two different things.
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Don't forget "old man strength". Barring injury, you should be able to bench 1200 at 70 years.
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I hit a 545lbs on a 16" box squat at 51 on Saturday and today put up a 270lb atlas stone on a 50" platform today. I'm 230.
It depends on how you train.
One of the beautiful thing about the internet is we can type any king of bullshit lifts and claim that is what we do.
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Don't forget "old man strength". Barring injury, you should be able to bench 1200 at 70 years.
Of course you should always train for strength. Since strength goes up in a linear fashion if you start lifting with a 135lbs bench by age 70 you should be doing about 1200 like you wrote. ;D
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One of the beautiful thing about the internet is we can type any king of bullshit lifts and claim that is what we do.
Why are you always attacking him?
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While sprinting is a speed event, sprinters train similarly to strength athletes. They do 6-8 reps of their distance and go home. So, a comparison might be applicable. If you apply these numbers to a bench press, a guy with a 300lb bench at 35 will have ~270 at 50, and ~225 at 65.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/40b46b6259d0749150c5ed62b4a64211_zps2cd2d32e.jpg)
Sprinting is a power event not a strength event.
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While sprinting is a speed event, sprinters train similarly to strength athletes. They do 6-8 reps of their distance and go home. So, a comparison might be applicable. If you apply these numbers to a bench press, a guy with a 300lb bench at 35 will have ~270 at 50, and ~225 at 65.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/40b46b6259d0749150c5ed62b4a64211_zps2cd2d32e.jpg)
flinstones can run the 100 meters in 10.6 s.
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Nice weight,16 inch is a little high though no?
I had 14" boxes made and it brings me a little too deep, I add a 2" pad and it brings me a hair below parallel.
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^^^^
guy can never wait to talk about himself. who gives a fuck?
I'm 51....what's the title of this thread?
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Sprinting is a power event not a strength event.
Power = Force x Speed. So, strength (force) is an essential element of sprinting, and since both strength and speed decline with age, IMO, sprinting makes for a decent comparison.
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at some point it will just break couple bones if he tries, thats age :D
nah age is just one of the factors.
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I am 47 now and my lifts haven't decreased really at all, sometimes I have better weeks than others, but across the board my strength has not really decreased.
I have noticed I get more "nuisance" injuries now, especially in the shoulder girdle when benching heavy singles, but just have to be careful. I am hoping to maintain into my 50's.
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Strength can stay into your early 50's without juice. What you lose is power and that important athletic attribute starts to leave at around 45. Yes, power and strength are two different things.
This works for me. Even though I am still very strong the Anaerobic power that I had in my late 20's and early 30's is long gone.
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My biggest problem is recovery.
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Take a 30 yr old with a 300lb 1 rep max natty bench. Assuming continued training, good health and nutrition, what's an estimate of his bench at 40, 50, 60 & 70?
40=300, 50=285, 60=270, 70=dead. :'( :'( :'(
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Take a 30 yr old with a 300lb 1 rep max natty bench. Assuming continued training, good health and nutrition, what's an estimate of his bench at 40, 50, 60 & 70?
He'll keep wearing detestably high pants and vomit-inducing purple shirts into old age unless somebody tells him the word.
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Have a few farts of the olden variety in this thread.
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also, being bit fatter can misleadingly "help" with strenght.
but dont worry, there juicers out there who have my mass and not much fatter who are in their high 50s,low 60s.
they not extremly sttrong,who cares, but they look jacked as hell.
they dont look a day older than 40.
generaly they on hrt test and few iu gh daily.
which is a fantastic supplement combo.
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Have a few farts of the olden variety in this thread.
Didn't you mean "golden" variety?
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:(
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steroids+GH = fountain of youth that is all
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1 name says all: vince basil ;D
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45 years old.
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T levels decrease with age. I've been training since I was 18. My strength/stamina started noticeably decreasing after I turned 40. I'm 48 now and still do my best to train 3-4x wk. If I push myself too much, do too many sets, or push too much weight I end up getting injured in some way. Getting old sucks.
Train hard, but don't over-train and/or perform ballistic movements with heavy weights. Listen to your body and don't abuse it. Someday you're going to be old.
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at age 56, almost 57, i have lost none of my strength. shoulders are good, just hit a personal record of 6 reps of 315 on the incline, no spot , all the way down to my chest on each rep.
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at age 56, almost 57, i have lost none of my strength. shoulders are good, just hit a personal record of 6 reps of 315 on the incline, no spot , all the way down to my chest on each rep.
Same here @ 49. I attribute it to the fact I never went crazy with gear and never ever did singles to see how "strong" I was. Shoulders good..knees good..back good. My left foot hurts sometimes after calves..that's the worst of it.
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From 30 - 40, most seem to be able to add and peak. 40 - 50 seems like you should be able to hold on to it with only a modest decline. 50 - 65 seems to be when the biggest drop happens, I've read it averages a 20 - 25% drop across the male population, I tend to believe it. Even in drugged lifters it seems to happen, the guys still hitting big numbers seem to have to move up an average of two weight classes to compensate.
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Take a 30 yr old with a 300lb 1 rep max natty bench. Assuming continued training, good health and nutrition, what's an estimate of his bench at 40, 50, 60 & 70?
My best so far is 315 x 13 at 225 bw natty at 37 yo
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He'll keep wearing detestably high pants and vomit-inducing purple shirts into old age unless somebody tells him the word.
How's the Obamacare working out? I hear there's some trouble with the website, my closet Socialist friend.
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How's the Obamacare working out? I hear there's some trouble with the website, my closet Socialist friend.
Shame on you for bringing this up. ;D
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How's the Obamacare working out? I hear there's some trouble with the website, my closet Socialist friend.
Come on man, how can we have a substantive conversation if you're going to come at me like that? I was nice enough to recall the fact that you wear strange purple shirts from the 80's, and you disparage me with entirely false accusations -- I've never endorsed Obamacare and I consistently praise market solutions underwritten by appropriate government regulations.
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Take a 30 yr old with a 300lb 1 rep max natty bench. Assuming continued training, good health and nutrition, what's an estimate of his bench at 40, 50, 60 & 70?
No difference in my own response to training yet, at 44. Personal best on bench a couple of weeks ago, after training since my early 20s.
What kills progress is joint problems. Avoid those and you can keep going for a long time :)
NN
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Come on man, how can we have a substantive conversation if you're going to come at me like that? I was nice enough to recall the fact that you wear strange purple shirts from the 80's, and you disparage me with entirely false accusations -- I've never endorsed Obamacare and I consistently praise market solutions underwritten by appropriate government regulations.
Classic closet Socialist.
"Capitalism is fine, BUT..."
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Power = Force x Speed. So, strength (force) is an essential element of sprinting, and since both strength and speed decline with age, IMO, sprinting makes for a decent comparison.
f=ma
force = mass x acceleration
... now power is force x acceleration?
still can get confusing quickly at 2am, trying to remember physics principals...
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Same here @ 49. I attribute it to the fact I never went crazy with gear and never ever did singles to see how "strong" I was. Shoulders good..knees good..back good. My left foot hurts sometimes after calves..that's the worst of it.
Yes "one-rep maxes" are stupid/pointless in my opinion unless you're a competitive powerlifter. Who cares otherwise ???
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My best so far is 315 x 13 at 225 bw natty at 37 yo
Good lift!
However ....
Either you're a really really good extraordinary natural all your life (as claimed)
or
You hide your usage for obvious reasons (legal), as your name is out their along with your racist trifecta of 100000+ posts.
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One thing i've noticed among older lifters (45+), they avoid squats and deadlifts altogether. All they focus is on the upper body - chest, shoulders, and arms. If they do anything with legs -- it's likely just the leg press or leg extensions machines with enough intensity to kill a new born calve before it shows up on your table as veal.
Has age taken it's toll by then?
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Was it the heavy AAS usage early on, that leads to premature joint/ligament/tendon problems later on in life?
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One thing i've noticed among older lifters (45+), they avoid squats and deadlifts altogether. All they focus is on the upper body - chest, shoulders, and arms. If they do anything with legs -- it's likely just the leg press or leg extensions machines with enough intensity to kill a new born calve before it shows up on your table as veal.
Has age taken it's toll by then?
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Was it the heavy AAS usage early on, that leads to premature joint/ligament/tendon problems later on in life?
Neither. I'm just not stupid.
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till your 50s your strength and hight should skyrocket, check you diet, your might be failing at what you stuff through your face
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Yes "one-rep maxes" are stupid/pointless in my opinion unless you're a competitive powerlifter. Who cares otherwise ???
It sets the training up to work off of percentages and takes out the guess work. Doesn't matter whether you're a powerlifter, weight lifter or bodybuilder.
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It sets the training up to work off of percentages and takes out the guess work. Doesn't matter whether you're a powerlifter, weight lifter or bodybuilder.
Some of us really don't give a shit. I train just fine doing what I'm doing.
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Yes "one-rep maxes" are stupid/pointless in my opinion unless you're a competitive powerlifter. Who cares otherwise ???
Who cares? WHO CARES?!! The ladies care...that's who!! Nothin sexier to a fine lady than a man with a powerhouse deadlift.
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One thing i've noticed among older lifters (45+), they avoid squats and deadlifts altogether. All they focus is on the upper body - chest, shoulders, and arms. If they do anything with legs -- it's likely just the leg press or leg extensions machines with enough intensity to kill a new born calve before it shows up on your table as veal.
Has age taken it's toll by then?
or
Was it the heavy AAS usage early on, that leads to premature joint/ligament/tendon problems later on in life?
Can't speak for others, but I like squats and deads. I just can't do them right now while my knee heals.
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Some of us really don't give a shit. I train just fine doing what I'm doing.
The quote was "one rep maxes were stupid and pointless". I responded to that.
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Can't speak for others, but I like squats and deads. I just can't do them right now while my knee heals.
I love deads to death ;D
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I love deads to death ;D
They are the best exercises I know of to help correct flat ass syndrome. Currently all I can do is kickbacks, which are not nearly as effective.
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I do squats but I stay in the 12-15 rep range and, under no circumstances, do I compromise form.
We have a gym in my building and I'm one of the few people that uses it. So, I mostly train alone, but, over the Summer, on vacation, I trained in a Y in upstate NY. I could not believe the bad Squatting form I was seeing from young guys who were lifting more weight than they could handle. These were more like heavy 1/2 squats 1/2 Good Mornings. They were getting away with it because they were young but doing that stuff in middle age will get you laid up in a hurry.
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If you follow the progressive overload principle and slowly increase weight each session, by the time you're 90 you should be hitting your best lifts.
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I got stronger overall each year from age 16 to 20, again from 26-29, from 31-53. After an umbillical hernia surgery (1 to 2 cm) I am in no huge hurry to do that again. As long as I can work back to heavy training I am fine.
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Any lifter is going to hit a Bell curve in later years. When you will be getting diminishing returns for your efforts in the gym. That's just the reality of growing older. Which, doesn't always mean you will be a shrunken hulk of your younger years. The peak years may be past, but still holding on to a good amount of strength and muscle mass is possible. Can be in your 70's and be somewhat impressive in strength and size....though not in the personal record breaking sense. If in your late 50's. early 60's and your best PR for the bench was 320 for 5 reps in your prime, you may be doing anywhere from 250 to 275 for those 5 reps..still impressive for anyone.
May require a different approach to training and diet. One of the more important factors is the ability to recover from workout to following workout. Having briefer training sessions, with fewer exercises, including sets, assure better odds of physical recovery. Taking long workout, too many times in a week, will surly affect the CNS and immune system, which becomes that much more important as we age. You can be intense in workouts, but for shorter periods of time. Taking 1 1/2 to 2 hours workouts in the past, may be better served by cutting the time down to 30 to 40 minutes max. May find that losing muscle mass & strength will be the result of doing longer workout as before.
I've worked with older gentlemen, the older ones in their middle 70's. Find that full stretching and holds become very important before and after working out. Actually doing flex movements (stretch/holds) become just as important on off workout days. Joints/ligaments/tendons concerns become of major important as we age.
Just to note: One elderly GB'er, in his late 60's had been doing 24-26 sets for delts alone. While using Nautilus machines for some of his delt work. Trying not to be critical, but that is a worse of what not to do , even for much younger men. Taking that delt work down to 4 or 5 sets max, may prove much better results. But I do wish this gentlemen well in hs future training. Good Luck
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Never one to be big on supplements, believing that eating food is it's own reward, when gaining strength and muscle mass is concerned. The electromagnetic generator, that the body is and it's chemical processing abilities will usually be all you need for progress. Eat quality food, and a good within reason amount, for top results
In contact with some mature weight trainee's and listening to what they say, and their experience, adding supplements may be required as age begins setting in. Been told some interesting results with Kre Alkalyn (creatine..better usable/less negative form) and nitric oxide boosters for men up to their mid 70's. This in regards to holding their muscle mass and strength levels, as best they can (old age and nature is a bitch). Seems an extra surprise bonus, with nitric oxide is greatly improved sex with great longer lasting hard on's. These men take Kre Alkalyn & nitic oxide together before and after workouts.
Did a little checking on line and find that there is quite a lot of research on nitric oxide and male sexual problems. From limp to hard, even for younger guys. Don't think the kre alkalyn would have much afect here, but a combo of both..who knows?