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Title: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 03, 2006, 01:52:46 PM
KEEP AWAY FROM THIS PLACE-  www.innovative-research.net

ABSOULTELY THE WORST SERVICE I HAVE EVER HAD- I GET MY PACKS FROM OVERSEAS WAY FASTER THAN IBE AND IBE SHIPS DOMESTICALLY. I SERIOUSLY WANT TO TAKE A CRO-BAR AND FCK WHO EVER OWNS THAT PLACE UP.

 HAS-ANYBODY ELSE ACCIDENTALY EVER GONE THROUGH A PLACE THAT JUST TOTALLY LIES AND SREWED YOU OVER?
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: gammahydroxy on January 03, 2006, 03:23:15 PM
they are out of new orleans...They used to be golden last year..... :'(
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 03, 2006, 04:35:13 PM
well I got my stuff- I ordered on the 21st and it finally came today on the 3rd. on their web-site they say they process orders within 24 hrs- and ships via priority. I dont know what happened but 2 weeks for nolva is inappropriate- I needed it a week ago.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: sportingsteroids on January 03, 2006, 06:08:35 PM
 8) maybe late becouse of hollydays...
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 03, 2006, 07:11:11 PM
8) maybe late becouse of hollydays...


Yeah-I thought about that- they still should say what days they will not be shipping on their web-site then.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Double XL on January 03, 2006, 07:12:11 PM
FUCK CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS, IT FUCKS SHIT UP.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 04, 2006, 09:32:43 AM
KEEP AWAY FROM THIS PLACE-  www.innovative-research.net

ABSOULTELY THE WORST SERVICE I HAVE EVER HAD- I GET MY PACKS FROM OVERSEAS WAY FASTER THAN IBE AND IBE SHIPS DOMESTICALLY. I SERIOUSLY WANT TO TAKE A CRO-BAR AND FCK WHO EVER OWNS THAT PLACE UP.

 HAS-ANYBODY ELSE ACCIDENTALY EVER GONE THROUGH A PLACE THAT JUST TOTALLY LIES AND SREWED YOU OVER?

It was the holidays, bro.

You sound like you're on some rough Tren or a Halo high..... ;D

When you order around Xmas or New Years you should expect a delay.




DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Luv2Hurt on January 05, 2006, 05:01:07 AM
yeah, yeah, stuff will usually be delayed about a week at that time.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: BIGMIKE on January 06, 2006, 08:56:37 PM
When you order around Xmas or New Years you should expect a delay.




DIV
EXACTLY.NOT TO MENTION UNWANTED ATTENTION.THAT'S WHY I NEVER ORDER ANYTHING DURING THE HOLIDAYS.I ALMOST RAN OUT OF PINS... :(
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: BigBlock on January 10, 2006, 12:48:23 PM
This is absolutely comforting for me to hear.  I had 2 bottles of nolva and a bottle of clomid coming for research I am donig.  I got a message on the 29th of December saying it was shipped, the package showed up yesterday, but it was only clomid!  I got a message saying the nolva was on backorder and I guess they'll ship it when it is ready, but I went to their website and it said tamoxifen was ready to ship.  Hopefully it is on the way.  I used them once before and they were flawless, hopefully it is just because of the holidays.  But I'm not going to start my research until I have that nolva in my hands.  I emailed them yesterday asking about it, but haven't heard back.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 10, 2006, 01:04:06 PM
This is absolutely comforting for me to hear.  I had 2 bottles of nolva and a bottle of clomid coming for research I am donig.  I got a message on the 29th of December saying it was shipped, the package showed up yesterday, but it was only clomid!  I got a message saying the nolva was on backorder and I guess they'll ship it when it is ready, but I went to their website and it said tamoxifen was ready to ship.  Hopefully it is on the way.  I used them once before and they were flawless, hopefully it is just because of the holidays.  But I'm not going to start my research until I have that nolva in my hands.  I emailed them yesterday asking about it, but haven't heard back.

You ordered at the wrong time, bro.

Simple as that.




DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: sportingsteroids on January 10, 2006, 02:35:35 PM
delays are more than 2 weeks
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: BigBlock on January 10, 2006, 03:16:24 PM
 :o
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: BigBlock on January 14, 2006, 05:46:25 PM
got in touch with IBE and they're going to send me a free bottle of tamoxifen with my order because of the delays...good deal
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 24, 2006, 11:17:23 AM
Do not order from this place- they screwed me over again- I ordered on jan-11th and still have not got my stuff- they sent me a tracking # on the 13th saying it shipped- then a few days later they send me a backorder notification- they did offer a free product- but even a week after the backorder notification- they sent me another notification that they are still waiting on the raw goods from their supplier- my question is why take money from people if you dont have the stuff in stock- nobody wants to wait- anyway just becareful= these guys take payments from people and then invest their money in the products real quick- I dont think they got much of shit ever in stock- shadey middleman- who orders once they get alot of peoples money together-
How in the hell do they expect people to wait 3-4 weeks for nolva and other PCT stuff they might need pretty bad? these guys do not look out for their customers- borderline scammers.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: youandme on January 24, 2006, 11:35:37 AM
YEP
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: gammahydroxy on January 24, 2006, 01:29:04 PM
Do not order from this place- they screwed me over again- I ordered on jan-11th and still have not got my stuff- they sent me a tracking # on the 13th saying it shipped- then a few days later they send me a backorder notification- they did offer a free product- but even a week after the backorder notification- they sent me another notification that they are still waiting on the raw goods from their supplier- my question is why take money from people if you dont have the stuff in stock- nobody wants to wait- anyway just becareful= these guys take payments from people and then invest their money in the products real quick- I dont think they got much of shit ever in stock- shadey middleman- who orders once they get alot of peoples money together-
How in the hell do they expect people to wait 3-4 weeks for nolva and other PCT stuff they might need pretty bad? these guys do not look out for their customers- borderline scammers.

Always have everything you need on hand, before starting the cycle..Just in case shit like that happens..
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 24, 2006, 01:38:06 PM
heres the e-mail I got last thursday -- this is after they had sent me a tracking# and after the first back order notification--


Hello and thank you for your patience,
We have been informed of some bad news yesterday......we were expecting delivery on monday and then tuesday and now we have been told by our supplier that it had not even shipped until today.  It takes 3 business days to get to us.  We expect that it will certainly arrive by monday because now we have an active tracking number.  We understand if you need to cancel the order, but if you choose to wait the extra days we will ship with your free product as promised.
We apologize sincerely for the unexpected delays and hope that this has not caused too much of an inconvenience to you.
Thanks,
IBE Admin


NOTE- Its Tuesday and I never got any word if they got their raw goods or if they have shipped anything out- Nothing- I had to call and get a refund amd even then- they said it would take 2 days to show up in my account- unbelivable- i sure would like to get 5 minutes with just me and the owner and my Bombat- I would love to go to work on that fckers kneecaps.

I know for a fact they were taking peoples money knowing that the nolva was out of stock- they never even bothered updating their web-site- they just took money knowing it would be a hell of a wait- they invest their customers money- they dont invest any of their own- they are borderline scammers- i will never prder from them again- and will never recommend them to anyone- i will spread the word about their business practices on every forum I can find.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 24, 2006, 03:43:38 PM
Always have everything you need on hand, before starting the cycle..Just in case shit like that happens..

^Word.

GHB is right, Lil' Widow.....

You need to have your shit on hand BEFORE you start your cycle.

This rule is law.

You break that, and you are only setting yourself up for failure regardless of which "research company" you choose to buy from.

You will learn one way or another.......





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 24, 2006, 04:49:03 PM
I got my PCt shit bro- this order was for a bro of mine-


^Word.

GHB is right, Lil' Widow.....

You need to have your shit on hand BEFORE you start your cycle.

This rule is law.

You break that, and you are only setting yourself up for failure regardless of which "research company" you choose to buy from.

You will learn one way or another.......





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 24, 2006, 07:22:19 PM
I got my PCt shit bro- this order was for a bro of mine-

Then direct my post to him.

Plan shit out.





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 24, 2006, 09:40:01 PM
Then direct my post to him.

Plan shit out.





DIV


if you read the whole thread I got my shit on the 3rd- the second order was for a bro- he has not even started his cycle yet- thats not the fckn point- the point is they cant pull this 3 week bullshit when there dealing PCT products
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 25, 2006, 02:18:44 AM

if you read the whole thread I got my shit on the 3rd- the second order was for a bro- he has not even started his cycle yet- thats not the fckn point- the point is they cant pull this 3 week bullshit when there dealing PCT products

You got a point.  Give your business to another "research lab".

There are plenty out there with comparable prices.




DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on January 25, 2006, 09:30:27 AM
Yep I ordered on December 28th and got that same mail last Thursday.  I'm going to do business with a different research lab from here out.  I ordered from researchchemist and since IBE promised a free bottle of something, I'm going to wait it out a little longer and just use the stuff from RC until IBE gets their shit in order and then I'll be done business with them.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 25, 2006, 06:29:21 PM
Yep I ordered on December 28th and got that same mail last Thursday.  I'm going to do business with a different research lab from here out.  I ordered from researchchemist and since IBE promised a free bottle of something, I'm going to wait it out a little longer and just use the stuff from RC until IBE gets their shit in order and then I'll be done business with them.


They promised me- my money back for the second order and the first order- plus they said they will still ship the products- still nothing showed in my account- and I have yet toi seen shit- not even notification that they got their raw materials from their supplier- Like I said- they take payment from people knowing the products is out of stock use the custpmers money for investment purposes and then you get your stuff weeks later- the quality is horrible also- I doubt the stuff is real at all- some kind of alcohol and water mixed together- thats it- and the even more fucked up part is if you go to anabolicminds the forum where they source out at- they have their own little sub-forum- you voice one complaint and your banned from anabolicminds- i got banned last night for trying to warn other bros-
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on January 25, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Well the quality of the stuff I have managed to get from them before was decent.  But once this transaction finally, if it ever does, gets completed I'm moving to a different company.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 25, 2006, 08:38:28 PM
Well the quality of the stuff I have managed to get from them before was decent.  But once this transaction finally, if it ever does, gets completed I'm moving to a different company.


Yeah- same here- they wont see one fck cent from me ever again- I'd be suprised if I really get my money back for both orders- sounds like more lies.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 25, 2006, 09:11:58 PM

They promised me- my money back for the second order and the first order- plus they said they will still ship the products- still nothing showed in my account- and I have yet toi seen shit- not even notification that they got their raw materials from their supplier- Like I said- they take payment from people knowing the products is out of stock use the custpmers money for investment purposes and then you get your stuff weeks later- the quality is horrible also- I doubt the stuff is real at all- some kind of alcohol and water mixed together- thats it- and the even more fucked up part is if you go to anabolicminds the forum where they source out at- they have their own little sub-forum- you voice one complaint and your banned from anabolicminds- i got banned last night for trying to warn other bros-

It appears they are miffed with you.  They might not ship your products at all now.  They probably figure you are a lost customer so they have no reason not to ban you. 



DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 25, 2006, 11:08:05 PM
It appears they are miffed with you.  They might not ship your products at all now.  They probably figure you are a lost customer so they have no reason not to ban you. 



DIV


that would be real fcked- They told me over the phone they would give me a refund- I will be callng them again tomorrow to check the status- they blaim some of their problems on the flood since they are in louisianna- yet they dont say anything on their web-site to expect shipping delays.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 25, 2006, 11:40:30 PM

that would be real fcked- They told me over the phone they would give me a refund- I will be callng them again tomorrow to check the status- they blaim some of their problems on the flood since they are in louisianna- yet they dont say anything on their web-site to expect shipping delays.

It didn't help that you went on their forum and started shit.

You should have stayed calm and been patient.

Now you've given them a reason to cross you.




DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: youandme on January 26, 2006, 05:16:55 AM

that would be real fcked- They told me over the phone they would give me a refund- I will be callng them again tomorrow to check the status- they blaim some of their problems on the flood since they are in louisianna- yet they dont say anything on their web-site to expect shipping delays.
Sorry but thats over and done with, does that explain the same problems 2 years ago?? ::) LOL
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 26, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
It didn't help that you went on their forum and started shit.

You should have stayed calm and been patient.

Now you've given them a reason to cross you.




DIV


called today= now they threatened to call the police on me for harrassment- Note- these people took my money and now want to call the police on me- STAY AWAY--
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 26, 2006, 12:32:12 PM

called today= now they threatened to call the police on me for harrassment- Note- these people took my money and now want to call the police on me- STAY AWAY--

I warned you, Widow.

You pissed them off and now they aren't giving you anything.   ::)





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 26, 2006, 01:42:50 PM
I warned you, Widow.

You pissed them off and now they aren't giving you anything.   ::)





DIV


Their giving me a harrament lawsuit- I guess thats something.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: muscle19 on January 27, 2006, 05:49:01 PM
r u serious? they're actually fileing a lawsuit? wow, yeah u better stay away.



muscle
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on January 28, 2006, 12:51:23 AM

Their giving me a harrament lawsuit- I guess thats something.

Was it worth it?

All over some "research chemicals"......




DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: muscle19 on January 28, 2006, 01:29:33 PM
the answer is...................... .................... NO!
soory bro! again hope it goes well


muscle
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on February 01, 2006, 10:54:15 PM
well- they came through as promised- I doubted them- but they did what they said they would- i got refunded for both my first order and second order- plus they shipped both orders and threw in two free products of my choice-----MODS-- this thread can be deleted -
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on February 02, 2006, 07:30:23 PM
You got two free products?!?? I only got one.  But yea they did come through.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2006, 05:53:32 PM
You got two free products?!?? I only got one.  But yea they did come through.


They gave me a free product for my first order that was late and the order I placed after that - wich took three weeks to get- and they refunded me for the two orders as well- DIV you were wrong- they bowed down!!
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: muscle19 on February 11, 2006, 06:12:58 PM
good shit bro, stuff does happen and glad to hear they owned up.


muscle
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on February 11, 2006, 10:50:34 PM
They gave me a free product for my first order that was late and the order I placed after that - wich took three weeks to get- and they refunded me for the two orders as well- DIV you were wrong- they bowed down!!

^You're such a slut, Widow........ :)

Props for making it work.

I'm glad you got your shit.





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on February 11, 2006, 11:05:14 PM
fuck, i should've annoyed them more.  I might've gotten everything free.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on February 11, 2006, 11:46:10 PM
f**k, i should've annoyed them more.  I might've gotten everything free.

You could have got hooked up like the baby Widow.

Evidently his bite stings more than yours, bro.

AccessDenied.





DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on February 12, 2006, 09:22:13 AM
hahaha
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: THE BAD GUY on February 12, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
you guys actually order your shit threw the net .. wtf what web sites actually deliver real shit??
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on February 12, 2006, 10:01:01 PM
f**k, i should've annoyed them more.  I might've gotten everything free.

I had to annoy them- the second order wasnt for me- the guy gave me money to get him some product and it was taking them forever- I usually like to come through for people asap- not three weeks after-  Plus they had given me a tracking # the day after I initially placed the order- It was a fucked experience thats why I kept calling and asking what was up- Yeah I got mad- and told them how they operate is shit and not acceptable- Even though they refunded me and gave me the free products- i will never order from them again-
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Wombat on February 15, 2006, 12:14:13 AM
damn i wouldn't even take the sh t now WW...after all the sh t you gave them, they probably pissed in your liquids(how would you know?)...
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Wombat on February 15, 2006, 12:18:44 AM
by the way guys--is their a reason that this place sells their stuff so cheap????
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on February 15, 2006, 12:33:35 AM
by the way guys--is their a reason that this place sells their stuff so cheap????

I have no idea, it's strange when you compare prices between all the "research sites".

I've only ordered from researchchemist.com, so I can't speak on any of the others.



DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: controldenied33 on February 15, 2006, 09:00:54 PM
by the way guys--is their a reason that this place sells their stuff so cheap????

Not sure, even after what i went through with the last order, i've just placed an order with them for some clenbuterol and anastrozole, shipping was prompt this time.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on February 18, 2006, 06:45:33 PM
damn i wouldn't even take the sh t now WW...after all the sh t you gave them, they probably pissed in your liquids(how would you know?)...


Yeah- I was thinking about that- Glad the second order was not from me- I know they didnt fuck with my first order because I didnt call and bitch about that one- it was the second one i called and complained about- I did complain about the first order at that time as well.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Wombat on March 02, 2006, 08:08:28 PM
they seem to be producing new products faster then anyone i know about and sell there stuff much cheaper then some others so i for sure will be trying them...Couple of small orders just to try them out...
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: theworm on March 03, 2006, 04:59:49 PM
Can someone explain to me how all this is legal?  Research purposes?  thats funny. 
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: DIVISION on March 03, 2006, 05:34:21 PM
Can someone explain to me how all this is legal?  Research purposes?  thats funny. 

The drugs are not illegal to have for "research purposes", just not legal to sell them for consumption as that would be circumventing the FDA.  Of course it's illegal, but they aren't coming out and telling you to consume the products, so they are hiding behind that.

It's simple. 



DIV
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 30, 2007, 09:40:30 PM
Thought I would bump this old IBE thread. I dont like how they threatened hooker and carlito. Ive been telling people too watch out for these fckers for over a year.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: youandme on January 30, 2007, 09:58:26 PM
Oh good I did not see this thread on here. I was wondering when someone was going to call this shit company out sooner. amazing they are still allowed to do business.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: whitewidow on January 30, 2007, 10:39:52 PM
Oh good I did not see this thread on here. I was wondering when someone was going to call this shit company out sooner. amazing they are still allowed to do business.

this is an old thread I started over a year ago-lol
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: hooker on January 31, 2007, 04:50:54 AM
The drugs are not illegal to have for "research purposes", just not legal to sell them for consumption as that would be circumventing the FDA.  Of course it's illegal, but they aren't coming out and telling you to consume the products, so they are hiding behind that.

It's simple. 



DIV

However, I wonder if it's legal to have a company who sells products for "research" but who has a name that seems to imply otherwise...like "Innovative Body Enhancement"....

I mean...legally, doesn't it seem to look like that company isn't a research company, but rather a Body Enhancement company?
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Luv2Hurt on January 31, 2007, 05:16:45 AM
However, I wonder if it's legal to have a company who sells products for "research" but who has a name that seems to imply otherwise...like "Innovative Body Enhancement"....

I mean...legally, doesn't it seem to look like that company isn't a research company, but rather a Body Enhancement company?

Well, legality of "things" is really not a big priority around here.  Im guessing lots of guys round here live on the outlaw side.  Hooker did I say how much I appretiate your presence on this board? Very glad you are here.  I appretiate the fact Lewellen drops in on occassion too.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: swoody on January 31, 2007, 11:29:14 AM
I never had any problems with IBE and I have ordered numerous times... so I guess you fellas just have bad luck ;D
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: hooker on January 31, 2007, 12:17:23 PM
Well, legality of "things" is really not a big priority around here.  Im guessing lots of guys round here live on the outlaw side.  Hooker did I say how much I appretiate your presence on this board? Very glad you are here.  I appretiate the fact Lewellen drops in on occassion too.

Yes, but that company is registered as a company. In other words, it's a company which operates under the auspices of the law, not a source or overseas entity. If you check out my latest blog entry (all the way to the bottom) they are claiming that they've been busted before, ect...

Also, the Director of the company has filed chapter 7 more than once...

I'm going to be updating the blog 1-2x daily with more information on them. I called the "lawyer" who allegedly sent me the first e-mail, and his secretary said she has no idea what I'm talking about. It appears that they have forged a letter from a lawyer at this point as well...
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: hooker on February 01, 2007, 10:14:02 AM
Yes, but that company is registered as a company. In other words, it's a company which operates under the auspices of the law, not a source or overseas entity. If you check out my latest blog entry (all the way to the bottom) they are claiming that they've been busted before, ect...

Also, the Director of the company has filed chapter 7 more than once...

I'm going to be updating the blog 1-2x daily with more information on them. I called the "lawyer" who allegedly sent me the first e-mail, and his secretary said she has no idea what I'm talking about. It appears that they have forged a letter from a lawyer at this point as well...

It appears I can not update my blog. It's been DDOS attacked, and the server is down. I wonder who did that???
Title: Re: WATCH OUT FOR - IBE-
Post by: Luolamies on February 01, 2007, 11:05:06 AM
Now thatīs childish.