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Jeff Koons's "Balloon Dog" fetched $58.4 million, a record for any piece of art sold at auction by a living artist.
Jeffrey "Jeff" Koons is an American artist known for his reproductions of banal objects—such as balloon animals produced in stainless steel with mirror finish surfaces. He lives and works in both New York City and his hometown of York, Pennsylvania.
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Jeff Koons's "Balloon Dog" fetched $58.4 million, a record for any piece of art sold at auction by a living artist.
Jeffrey "Jeff" Koons is an American artist known for his reproductions of banal objects—such as balloon animals produced in stainless steel with mirror finish surfaces. He lives and works in both New York City and his hometown of York, Pennsylvania.
IWHI, just saying.
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So....it's a replica of a dog balloon, except 8 feet high and shiny? Great original idea....I'll take it! 58 million you say....haha, that's nothing for me, SOLD!
If you appeal the right rich asswad, you can sell pretty much anything. I wonder how much Nassar's soiled posing trunks would fetch, if marketed the right way? 2 million?
Put that oversized dog on Craigslist, you'd get no more than $250....the truth.
Art is subjective, so who's to say what is and isn't great? If rich people like your work...it is now more important? Take a painter in the barrio who has serious skill. Maybe he'll get $150 for a great piece, this guy makes a gross amount on something not even original.
Rich art collectors are about ego as well...they have someone over and vaguely mention....that piece there is 2 million...I couldn't believe I even bought it....haha, it's just money...la la la.
Translation: I wish I had 58 million to piss away. :D
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I wouldn't pay more then 30 bucks. Seriously. Even if the Pope made it while being possessed by the devil.
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IWHI, just saying.
How? I'd like to fuck it too, but I can't figure out how to do it.
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Buyer doesn't care about the "art" object itself. Just making a statement. 'Look at me I'm rich and important'.
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Is this not the man that married an Italian porn star/politician?
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I fail to see the skill involved, let alone justify the price tag. What a messed up world. But again, when you pay teenage monkeys to throw a ball through a hoop 100 million or to run into each other ..
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The buyer is dumb.
Much like gals that buy Louis Vuitton bags for thousands of dollars.
The bags cost $20-$30 to make. The rest of the price is based on nothing more than the buyer wanting to walk around with a $3,000 handbag. That's what you are buying. Not a great bag but a display of wealth.
It is quite sad really, that people with money are so concerned with showing their wealth that they get bent over to such a degree and piss the money away on shite.
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The buyer is dumb.
Much like gals that buy Louis Vuitton bags for thousands of dollars.
The bags cost $20-$30 to make. The rest of the price is based on nothing more than the buyer wanting to walk around with a $3,000 handbag. That's what you are buying. Not a great bag but a display of wealth.
It is quite sad really, that people with money are so concerned with showing their wealth that they get bent over to such a degree and piss the money away on shite.
Less.
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Another masterpiece by the same creative genius..
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I'm not going to bash the "artist". Its the turds buying this crap that are morons.
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I'm not going to bash the "artist". Its the turds buying this crap that are morons.
Absolutely - there is no way Jeff thought this would go for $58M.
If anyone wants one of these, I can put you in touch with someone that can knock one up for $5k.
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I guess while we are on the subject of Art, have any of you been to the Guggenheim? In NY for an extended work trip next week want to do something aside from work and eat and workout at Crunch.
Done Moma a few times so that's out. Any other cultural things there worth seeing?
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The buyer is dumb.
Much like gals that buy Louis Vuitton bags for thousands of dollars.
The bags cost $20-$30 to make. The rest of the price is based on nothing more than the buyer wanting to walk around with a $3,000 handbag. That's what you are buying. Not a great bag but a display of wealth.
It is quite sad really, that people with money are so concerned with showing their wealth that they get bent over to such a degree and piss the money away on shite.
Thats actually not true at all regarding Vuitton bags. Not to mention the vegetable tanning process of the select leather.
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Gucci Bags are handmade as well.
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Less.
Totally not true at all. You have no clue what you are talking about.
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Imagine how many top notch whores you can bang and how much coke you can sniff for that money...
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The buyer is dumb.
Much like gals that buy Louis Vuitton bags for thousands of dollars.
The bags cost $20-$30 to make. The rest of the price is based on nothing more than the buyer wanting to walk around with a $3,000 handbag. That's what you are buying. Not a great bag but a display of wealth.
It is quite sad really, that people with money are so concerned with showing their wealth that they get bent over to such a degree and piss the money away on shite.
I used to think the same about chicks that buy Loubiton shoes for $1000 until I saw how they made them. They spend a shitload of time and money to make these shoes. The materials alone cost them a couple hundred then the time put in, even if it cost them $10 an hour ( it is not some Chinese slave making them but an Italian leather expert) it would be $200 right there in labor but I bet he charges more per hour. So the shoes really do cost hundreds to make each.
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Thats actually not true at all regarding Vuitton bags. Not to mention the vegetable tanning process of the select leather.
Agree. They do spend a lot of money on materials and the craftsmanship. Now Are these videos full of shit showing some Italian artist making a bag but in reality they pay some Chinese slave 10 cents an hour to do the same? Maybe the Italian craftsman made the original first one and that is what the video shows but then they make the rest in china. Who the hell knows.
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Agree. They do spend a lot of money on materials and the craftsmanship. Now Are these videos full of shit showing some Italian artist making a bag but in reality they pay some Chinese slave 10 cents an hour to do the same? Maybe the Italian craftsman made the original first one and that is what the video shows but then they make the rest in china. Who the hell knows.
No they don`t at all. Only master craftsmen are employed. I do know. That is total bullshit what you are saying. I work closely with many different craftsman that work hand making for these brands.
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With all the above posted, the purple dog is pure shit. This I assure you.
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58 million for that piece of shit. I would have refused it if it was free.
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No they don`t at all. Only master craftsmen are employed. I do know. That is total bullshit what you are saying. I work closely with many different craftsman that work hand making for these brands.
I've never heard McDonald workers referred to as craftsman
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Less.
no way, actually way way more, takes hours. time spent is hours, just in time it is in the hundreds of dollars and material is very expensive, try 300-400 dollars to make easily
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::) I wonder if there is any such thing as intelligent PEOPLE ? Just how retarded is this ?
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dat ass
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So....it's a replica of a dog balloon, except 8 feet high and shiny? Great original idea....I'll take it! 58 million you say....haha, that's nothing for me, SOLD!
If you appeal the right rich asswad, you can sell pretty much anything. I wonder how much Nassar's soiled posing trunks would fetch, if marketed the right way? 2 million?
Put that oversized dog on Craigslist, you'd get no more than $250....the truth.
Art is subjective, so who's to say what is and isn't great? If rich people like your work...it is now more important? Take a painter in the barrio who has serious skill. Maybe he'll get $150 for a great piece, this guy makes a gross amount on something not even original.
Rich art collectors are about ego as well...they have someone over and vaguely mention....that piece there is 2 million...I couldn't believe I even bought it....haha, it's just money...la la la.
Translation: I wish I had 58 million to piss away. :D
true
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I was never a fan of Jeff Koons.
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I guess while we are on the subject of Art, have any of you been to the Guggenheim? In NY for an extended work trip next week want to do something aside from work and eat and workout at Crunch.
Done Moma a few times so that's out. Any other cultural things there worth seeing?
might as well ask for dating advise and start a thread asking how to invest your money. :D
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i am in the wrong bizness
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Obviously this is a con. Some guy probably purchased a bunch from this artist over the years for a couple thousand a piece then in one big purchase set the market price at $50 million. I bet all of a sudden now his 10 statues that he paid $10k for are worth $500 million and now he is going to hope to sucker in some rich russians, arabs and japs.
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Looks like something a billionaire pedo would buy...I bet they had ties with this guy :-\
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I wouldn't put that ugly POS in my backyard.
But stainless steel ain't cheap. That's a lot of stainless steel.
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might as well ask for dating advise and start a thread asking how to invest your money. :D
Hahahh fair enough. Expecting some of these posters in this thread to advise on world culture was a definite stretch
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I don't get it. I don't get contemporary or most 20th century art. I'm not one to sneer and label it crap but I have no idea what's going on.
Every so often I'm confronted by some piece of art and I'm just standing there not knowing what it is. Whenever I confess this frankly and ask for help understanding it, no one else seems to know what's going on either but they never admit it. My favorite are the abstractions and I ask "What is it?" and without fail the advice I receive is "It doesn't have to be anything. You're just supposed to feel. How does it make you feel?" and I'm like "Ok, I feel confused."
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So TA, as you know I do appreciate craftsmanship and quality.. do you think the price tag of 3000 is not exagerate for a handbag?
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I don't get it. I don't get contemporary or most 20th century art. I'm not one to sneer and label it crap but I have no idea what's going on.
Every so often I'm confronted by some piece of art and I'm just standing there not knowing what it is. Whenever I confess this frankly and ask for help understanding it, no one else seems to know what's going on either but they never admit it. My favorite are the abstractions and I ask "What is it?" and without fail the advice I receive is "It doesn't have to be anything. You're just supposed to feel. How does it make you feel?" and I'm like "Ok, I feel confused."
A piece of art is like a woman, you can appreciate her company, hate her, or both..., no need to 'understand' it.
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The buyer is dumb.
Much like gals that buy Louis Vuitton bags for thousands of dollars.
The bags cost $20-$30 to make. The rest of the price is based on nothing more than the buyer wanting to walk around with a $3,000 handbag. That's what you are buying. Not a great bag but a display of wealth.
It is quite sad really, that people with money are so concerned with showing their wealth that they get bent over to such a degree and piss the money away on shite.
Actually in the case of certain Louis Vuitton pieces, one is buying the quality & workmanship.
The pieces made in the classic LV monogram canvas collection are pretty much bulletproof.
ps: I get my LV at approximately 5% of retail.
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A piece of art is like a woman, you can appreciate her company, hate her, or both..., no need to 'understand' it.
Idk man.
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mfw
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There's a guy in Austria who's art consists of throwing animal blood with a bucket on a white canvas. His smallest "pieces of art" you could get for a probably 400k-500k.
Anyone of you, including a retarded monkey, could do the same, and noone would give a flying f*ck about it. Art is insane, it's pure arbitrariness what is considered as art and worth millions and what's not.
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Idk man.
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mfw
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Looks like the scan of a woman's brain.
Some art works -esp the modern/abstract ones- challenge you to observe without judging. Not all art isn't made to 'please' us. This world would be a boring place if this was the case, don't you think?
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... fucking capitalism
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A piece of art is like a woman, you can appreciate her company, hate her, or both..., no need to 'understand' it.
True. One of my ex's had the most amazing abstract oil painting on his wall. When he saw me admiring it, he asked me what I thought of it, so I told him. When I asked him who the artist was, ...he just laughed. Turns out the "artist" who painted the piece, was his little brother, ...when he was 8. no joke! The painting had been done by a child bored stiff and angry from having to stay home from school, due to a bout of chicken pox.
A lot of people have had the same response to that painting over the years, including him.
So.... years later, he had it matted, framed, and hung in his living room. It truly was an exquisite piece.
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There's a guy in Austria who's art consists of throwing animal blood with a bucket on a white canvas. His smallest "pieces of art" you could get for a probably 400k-500k.
Anyone of you, including a retarded monkey, could do the same, and noone would give a flying f*ck about it. Art is insane, it's pure arbitrariness what is considered as art and worth millions and what's not.
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(http://www.kunstnet.at/gerersdorfer/picts/Nitsch_b+.jpg)
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Great business to be in, shouldn't have wasted time at University.
Deep down the "artist" probably cant believe his luck selling this shit.
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Gucci Bags are handmade as well.
Only when the system comes crashing down will people come to their senses. They will realize that worshipping this overpriced garbage was utterly ridiculous and useless. They should have been stocking up on bags of rice and beans instead.
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it's all about Art and those who appreciate it.....in the eyes of some, it's worthless, but to others, it's other worldly......."the scream" was once stolen, but it was recovered. it was on sold for $119 million.....at that time, it was the second most expensive painting
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Looks like the scan of a woman's brain.
Some art works -esp the modern/abstract ones- challenge you to observe without judging. Not all art isn't made to 'please' us. This world would be a boring place if this was the case, don't you think?
I admit my art appreciation is getting kinda stale. Haven't appreciated anything new in awhile.
By way of stale example, I don't like Manet's Olympia at all. He just set out to be profane. So while I don't like it, and I don't approve of his take on humanity, I can at least appreciate what he's up to since I can see what it is. But stuff I can't even identify I struggle to think or feel anything about. I guess I can't accuse the balloon poodle of that tho.
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I admit my art appreciation is getting kinda stale. Haven't appreciated anything new in awhile.
By way of stale example, I don't like Manet's Olympia at all. He just set out to be profane. So while I don't like it, and I don't approve of his take on humanity, I can at least appreciate what he's up to since I can see what it is. But stuff I can't even identify I struggle to think or feel anything about. I guess I can't accuse the balloon poodle of that tho.
But, then again, should we always like/appreciate art? Maybe we're just conditioned to have an opinion on everything..
I'm not big follower of artists, so I wasn't familiar with Manet's Olympia, but I've found this amusing vid. It's interesting to hear about the deeper meanings.
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But, then again, should we always like/appreciate art? Maybe we're just conditioned to have an opinion on everything..
I'm not big follower of artists, so I wasn't familiar with Manet's Olympia, but I've found this amusing vid. It's interesting to hear about the deeper meanings.
Good vid. Even tho I dislike the painting I still get to understand it. He's mocking Titian's work, shitting on noble elements of man, commenting on his world (ok, maybe criticizing it too, so I can cut him a little slack), and being intentionally shocking.
What irks me is that I know, or at least strongly suspect, that 20th century art wasn't created in a vacuum and had a similar genesis, and I'm ignorant of it because I've never gotten off my butt and studied it! I guess most of the euro stuff I've seen up to around 1870 or so I've found fairly accessible with some help, but things get a little more dense after that as modernity answers modernity, I guess, (instead of the old masters like Titian) and I'm quickly lost. I'd love for someone to explain the milestones to me but maybe it's one of those things that needs real study, rather than just a McOverview like the rest of my learnins.
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Only when the system comes crashing down will people come to their senses. They will realize that worshipping this overpriced garbage was utterly ridiculous and useless. They should have been stocking up on bags of rice and beans instead.
Who says people who buy Louis Vuitton aren't stocking up on food?
Those who really know what's going on, ...and what time it is are preparing with all sorts of things,
...like, guns, gold, grub, ammo, escape means & routes, etc., etc., And if they have to haul ass for a while, they'll be able to do so ...in style. :D
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Who says people who buy Louis Vuitton aren't stocking up on food?
Those who really know what's going on, ...and what time it is are preparing with all sorts of things,
...like, guns, gold, grub, ammo, escape means & routes, etc., etc., And if they have to haul ass for a while, they'll be able to do so ...in style. :D
And magical pills that make your car get 200 mpg. Don't wanna find yourself thumbing it by the apocalyptic roadside with your Louis Vuitton go-bag.
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You can't compare a LV bag that costs $400 and sells for $2000 to a $58 million piece of art that originally didn't have a retail value.
The markup on LV bags is no different than markups on detergent, clothes or food.
I will go to Macys when they have their super clearance, 50% of the already reduced 50% off price and get a $70 shirt for $10. Even at $10 they are making a profit so buying it at $70 just means that $60 was pure profit.
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And magical pills that make your car get 200 mpg. Don't wanna find yourself thumbing it by the apocalyptic roadside with your Louis Vuitton go-bag.
LOL
Actually, the magic pills work in any vehicle with a combustion engine.
In a SHTF scenario, I don't think you'll want to get caught in a combustion vehicle that runs on gasoline. ;)
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i wonder how that balloon dog really costed to make
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You can't compare a LV bag that costs $400 and sells for $2000 to a $58 million piece of art that originally didn't have a retail value.
The markup on LV bags is no different than markups on detergent, clothes or food.
I will go to Macys when they have their super clearance, 50% of the already reduced 50% off price and get a $70 shirt for $10. Even at $10 they are making a profit so buying it at $70 just means that $60 was pure profit.
It's not always pure profit, ...sometimes the lower than cost prices are loss leaders, or simply a way to mitigate losses.
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LOL
Actually, the magic pills work in any vehicle with a combustion engine.
In a SHTF scenario, I don't think you'll want to get caught in a combustion vehicle that runs on gasoline. ;)
There is a gentleman you should talk to. Perhaps you've heard of him. Milton Percival Wiggins III. He knows all about such matters.
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Put that stupid purple dog on your lawn down here and it would be full of bullet holes in a week.
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it's all about Art and those who appreciate it.....in the eyes of some, it's worthless, but to others, it's other worldly......."the scream" was once stolen, but it was recovered. it was on sold for $119 million.....at that time, it was the second most expensive painting
"The Scream" is dying to be Tbombed...
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A fool and his money will soon be parted. How can somebody be so foolish to spend that money on that crap is beyond me.
I remember when I went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. They had a whole room devoted to one artist. All his work looked like he took a brush with paint on it and slapped it across the canvas. Maybe I'm not the most cultured guy in the world but I said out loud that this was crap. The gasp of air let out of the people in the room was so loud it was as if I shot a puppy. I hope those people come to realize the emperor has no clothes.