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Title: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 03:02:53 PM
if the sun were farther away or different size it wouldnt have the same effect

same goes for the moon

its like a start point of an astrophysics equation and our earth fits into the equation some how. and so does everything else
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
You're joking right?   ???
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 03:20:41 PM
You're joking right?   ???

as you see the size of the two is perfect (http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/706834main_20121113-solareclipse_full.jpg)
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 13, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
as you see the size of the two is perfect (http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/706834main_20121113-solareclipse_full.jpg)

It's because they are circles.  Try this.  get a coaster, go outside and hold it facing the sun about 6 inches from your face.  Guess what?  Perfect fit to the sun  :o  Better yet, get a dime and hold it an inch from your eye facing the sun,  perfect fit.

Now to blow your mind, get a basketball and do the same at arms length.  Guess what?  perfect fit.  Fucking insanity.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Cold on November 13, 2013, 03:52:30 PM
It's because they are circles.  Try this.  get a coaster, go outside and hold it facing the sun about 6 inches from your face.  Guess what?  Perfect fit to the sun  :o  Better yet, get a dime and hold it an inch from your eye facing the sun,  perfect fit.

Now to blow your mind, get a basketball and do the same at arms length.  Guess what?  perfect fit.  Fucking insanity.

U fucking moron.

His point is that the earth somehow someway is at the proper distance for the moon and the sun to eclipse perfectly.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
U fucking moron.

His point is that the earth somehow someway is at the proper distance for the moon and the sun to eclipse perfectly.
yes im saying there is some sort of coordination at work here. since there is.. what happens on these solar eclipses , does the shuman resonance change, what about magnetic feilds, what about sunspots and solar activity, what about social changes here on earth ect.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: nosbp2 on November 13, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
annular eclipses don't fit perfectly
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 04:11:38 PM
annular eclipses don't fit perfectly
perfection here
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/706834main_20121113-solareclipse_full.jpg)
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 13, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
U fucking moron.

His point is that the earth somehow someway is at the proper distance for the moon and the sun to eclipse perfectly.

God you are stupid.  It would fit the same at many distances.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 04:18:22 PM
God you are stupid.  It would fit the same at many distances.
your talking different objects at certain distances in order to find the right distance to eclipse. your using the human hand with a certain size object aswell as lining it up a the right distance

the solar eclipse is more natural phenominon, we must question if there is more to consider during the solar eclipse

Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: nosbp2 on November 13, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
perfection here
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/706834main_20121113-solareclipse_full.jpg)

Yeah, that's a total solar eclipse...

this is what annular eclipse is like
(http://c.tadst.com/gfx/600x400/solar-eclipse-annular.jpg?1)
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: jwb on November 13, 2013, 04:26:23 PM
The solar eclipse will be partial if you aren't in the correct location.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: jwb on November 13, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
Here are the sweet spots to see total solar eclipses from 1997 to 2035.

USA has a nice one in 2017.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Cold on November 13, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
God you are stupid.  It would fit the same at many distances.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ur a fucking moron. The diameter of the sun and the moon at any instant in time are fixed. No they do not project the same at many distances from one select spot on earth at any given time. WTF did you eat last night? why are you so stupid today? This is 5th grade physics.

You gave an example of a coin and a basketball projecting to similar diameter but at different distances. That disproved your theory that two fixed diameter objects will eclipse the same at many distances. You're not only stupid, you're hypocritical.

The fuk happened to adults these days?
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: galeniko on November 13, 2013, 04:45:58 PM
if the sun were farther away or different size it wouldnt have the same effect

same goes for the moon

its like a start point of an astrophysics equation and our earth fits into the equation some how. and so does everything else
um, no ;D
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Nomad on November 13, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
Most of the planets in the solar system lie in the same orbital plane, which includes Earth and our only satellite.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Tapeworm on November 13, 2013, 05:12:20 PM
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: hazbin on November 13, 2013, 05:45:57 PM
unbelievable!   I was talking about this this morning. no bullshit. that's freaky.   contemplating the exact same thing. perspective wise from the earth, they are identical size.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Radical Plato on November 13, 2013, 05:49:06 PM
if the sun were farther away or different size it wouldnt have the same effect

same goes for the moon

its like a start point of an astrophysics equation and our earth fits into the equation some how. and so does everything else
With a potentially infinite supply of planets, stars and moons, some of them are bound to align.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 05:50:38 PM

hahah :)
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
lets see here

there is a decrease in solar radiation during the solar eclipse upon the earth , and in turn an increase in solar radiation on the moon now you could write a book on change after change that is happening not quite at first glance but if you think about it things start to form a puzzle

this is interesting
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
The stupidity in this thread is unreal.  Seriously, this shit is taught in elementary school.  Idiocracy is upon us.   :D
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 06:08:37 PM
The stupidity in this thread is unreal.  Seriously, this shit is taught in elementary school.  Idiocracy is upon us.   :D
contribute

less whineing
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Marty Champions on November 13, 2013, 06:13:47 PM
there might be a momentary shift in the brain when the sun is blotted out
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 06:26:38 PM
contribute

less whineing

What do you want me to contribute?  This shit is fairly simple.  The moon orbits the earth in an elliptical motion.  The earth orbits the sun in an elliptical motion.  They eventually line up causing an eclipse.  Part of the world gets to see it, and the rest of the world doesn't.  Didn't you learn about this in school?   ???
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: galeniko on November 13, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
unbelievable!   I was talking about this this morning. no bullshit. that's freaky.   contemplating the exact same thing. perspective wise from the earth, they are identical size.
not exaclty, if you were even 10000miles further away,it would still seems like a perfect fit.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: hazbin on November 13, 2013, 06:58:09 PM
not exaclty, if you were even 10000miles further away,it would still seems like a perfect fit.

I can't see that.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Tapeworm on November 13, 2013, 07:13:54 PM
I expect the sun's corona would make it look like a match whenever the moon is near enough to cover the sun.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
Isaac Asimov reportedly said this about the subject: "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

Can the above be true? Any science-types care to chime in?
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 07:37:15 PM
Isaac Asimov reportedly said this about the subject: "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

Can the above be true? Any science-types care to chime in?

It is just that, a coincidence.  You're dealing with 3 spheres.  One is stationary, and the other 2 orbit around the stationary sphere in elliptical orbits.  Eventually, they will line up.  Nothing more than coincidence.   :-\
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
It is just that, a coincidence.  You're dealing with 3 spheres.  One is stationary, and the other 2 orbit around the stationary sphere in elliptical orbits.  Eventually, they will line up.  Nothing more than coincidence.   :-\

It's a matter of their relative size, rather than the fact they are lining up.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
LOL..There's actually a group of people that believe the moon was man-made by our ancestors, and perhaps this is the reason why.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: galeniko on November 13, 2013, 07:58:12 PM
It is just that, a coincidence.  You're dealing with 3 spheres.  One is stationary, and the other 2 orbit around the stationary sphere in elliptical orbits.  Eventually, they will line up.  Nothing more than coincidence.   :-\
i wouldnt call gods will and work coincidence ;D
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 08:05:22 PM
It's a matter of their relative size, rather than the fact they are lining up.

Yes, that's what I meant in lamen (Johnny) terms.  Now if they did not travel in an ellipses, and we still had eclipses, that would be something.  Would mean that they were at the perfect distance from each other, and that would surely not be a coincidence.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 08:07:08 PM
i wouldnt call gods will and work coincidence ;D

God did not make our sun, earth, or moon.  HTH.   :D
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: galeniko on November 13, 2013, 08:08:38 PM
God did not make our sun, earth, or moon.  HTH.   :D
well who else did it?

 ???
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Wee Laddy on November 13, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
They are close, but not a perfect fit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Comparison_angular_diameter_solar_system.svg/300px-Comparison_angular_diameter_solar_system.svg.png)
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 08:13:13 PM
Yes, that's what I meant in lamen (Johnny) terms.  Now if they did not travel in an ellipses, and we still had eclipses, that would be something.  Would mean that they were at the perfect distance from each other, and that would surely not be a coincidence.

I'm not sure if we're on the same subject, Twaddle.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Twaddle on November 13, 2013, 08:13:38 PM
well who else did it?

 ???

Nobody did it.  
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
They are close, but not a perfect fit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Comparison_angular_diameter_solar_system.svg/300px-Comparison_angular_diameter_solar_system.svg.png)

From the article:

"The angular diameter of the Sun is about the same as that of the Moon (the diameter is 400 times as large and the distance also)..."
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: galeniko on November 13, 2013, 08:32:06 PM
From the article:

"The angular diameter of the Sun is about the same as that of the Moon (the diameter is 400 times as large and the distance also)..."
its 403. something.

its slightly off,thats what i meant, if the earth would be further out orbiting the sun, itd still look "perfect" to us.

Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Wolfox on November 13, 2013, 08:53:50 PM
not exaclty, if you were even 10000miles further away,it would still seems like a perfect fit.

Lol just shut up already. As usual you don't know what you're talking about. You are retarded.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 13, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
its 403. something.

its slightly off,thats what i meant, if the earth would be further out orbiting the sun, itd still look "perfect" to us.



It should be easy to figure out exactly what leeway in distance there would be for that, using the difference (whatever that very small number in difference is).

Have to admit to being unaware or unresponsive to it before now. Crazy. Maybe I'd assumed it was some sort of coronal illusion that the two seemed so identical in size, I don't know. Hadn't paid attention to it, and don't know why. It's definitely interesting.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Vince B on November 13, 2013, 09:22:58 PM
Johnny F. please go and join Wiggs in the bunker because your brain needs a rest. Stop reading the bullshit on the internet for goodness sake.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Gonuclear on November 13, 2013, 09:27:03 PM
um, no ;D

No?  Mr. Falcon is right - at least about the relevance of distance and size.  The Sun is about 400 times the diameter of the Moon, but it is also 400 times farther away from the Earth.  That is why the Moon can appear to completely eclipse the Sun, when viewed from Earth.  They have the "apparent" same size.  
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: OTHstrong on November 13, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
No?  Mr. Falcon is right - at least about the relevance of distance and size.  The Sun is about 400 times the diameter of the Moon, but it is also 400 times farther away from the Earth.  That is why the Moon can appear to completely eclipse the Sun, when viewed from Earth.  They have the "apparent" same size.  
this^^^
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Radical Plato on November 14, 2013, 03:11:10 AM
It is just that, a coincidence.  You're dealing with 3 spheres.  One is stationary, and the other 2 orbit around the stationary sphere in elliptical orbits.  Eventually, they will line up.  Nothing more than coincidence.   :-\
Well,  technically the sun isn't stationary.  By tracking the motion of sunspots across the Sun we can see it has rotational motion. It takes the Sun 31 days to rotate at its poles, but at its equator it moves faster, taking just 27 days to turn one revolution. This type of differential rotation is also present on the gas giants Jupiter and Saturn. The lack of a rigidly defined surface and a largely flowing composition means objects like the Sun can have varying rotational speeds as the whole body is not held together in the same way rocky planets like Earth are.

The Sun is also moving in two other ways. First, it is not stationary in the solar system; it is actually in orbit around every body that is also in orbit around it, such as all the planets. However, as the Sun is so massive its orbit is nominal. Indeed, the centre of mass of these orbital systems is often found within the Sun itself, so it only wobbles very slightly compared to the huge orbits of other celestial bodies. Beyond this, the Sun is also moving around the centre of the Milky Way along with the entire solar system; one complete orbit will take about 230 million years.
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: WOOO on November 14, 2013, 03:12:03 AM
if the sun were farther away or different size it wouldnt have the same effect

same goes for the moon

its like a start point of an astrophysics equation and our earth fits into the equation some how. and so does everything else


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Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: OTHstrong on November 14, 2013, 03:19:38 AM
Well,  technically the sun isn't stationary.  By tracking the motion of sunspots across the Sun we can see it has rotational motion. It takes the Sun 31 days to rotate at its poles, but at its equator it moves faster, taking just 27 days to turn one revolution. This type of differential rotation is also present on the gas giants Jupiter and Saturn. The lack of a rigidly defined surface and a largely flowing composition means objects like the Sun can have varying rotational speeds as the whole body is not held together in the same way rocky planets like Earth are.

The Sun is also moving in two other ways. First, it is not stationary in the solar system; it is actually in orbit around every body that is also in orbit around it, such as all the planets. However, as the Sun is so massive its orbit is nominal. Indeed, the centre of mass of these orbital systems is often found within the Sun itself, so it only wobbles very slightly compared to the huge orbits of other celestial bodies. Beyond this, the Sun is also moving around the centre of the Milky Way along with the entire solar system; one complete orbit will take about 230 million years.
1 more way yet, the milky way is also in motion and I am not talking spinning, I am talking moving in one direction like two galaxies that are moving away from each other
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: hazbin on November 14, 2013, 05:00:52 AM
1 more way yet, the milky way is also in motion and I am not talking spinning, I am talking moving in one direction like two galaxies that are moving away from each other

where is Nassim Haramein when we need him?
Title: Re: isnt it odd that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly no more no less
Post by: Hulkotron on November 14, 2013, 07:42:43 AM
if the sun were farther away or different size it wouldnt have the same effect

same goes for the moon

its like a start point of an astrophysics equation and our earth fits into the equation some how. and so does everything else

(http://i40.tinypic.com/1ic17c.jpg)