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After reading the endless banter on which of these two is best & giving it careful thought, I have concluded that Ronnie, at his best, would have beaten Dorian. Ronnie is the greatest Mr. O.
That is all.
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After reading the endless banter on which of these two is best & giving it careful thought, I have concluded that Ronnie, at his best, would have beaten Dorian. Ronnie is the greatest Mr. O.
That is all.
I agree and now a word from getbig's biggest ronnie fan...
hulkster....
;D
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Mindspin, I agree also. I think if you want mass with class, Ronnie circa 2003 was unbeatable. If you want shape, aesthetics and size (although only about 250 lb's), 1998-1999 Ronnie was the man. However, I would say that Dorian in 1993 when he was his best would have taken Ronnie in 2001, 2004. However, at their best, Ronnie is the one.
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the fact that you looked at this thread and took the time to respond to speaks volumes to how much you want to be me ;D
By the way, had any ass pundings lately?
why would anyone want to be Columbian ???
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i had that avatar a few weeks ago....hmmm and yes ronald in his prime would defeat dorian in his.
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the fact that you looked at this thread and took the time to respond to speaks volumes to how much you want to be me ;D
By the way, had any ass pundings lately?
Gave it up after the world class one you put on me :-* You know, it never fails to make me smile . . . you commenting on that is like Dave Chappelle, using the " N " word ;)
By the way, where is the cowboy hat? :-\
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You cum guzzling, brown-hole sucking fag - you have me confused with Arvilla ::)
meltdown...go hoe my coffee beans...ahahaha
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After reading the endless banter on which of these two is best & giving it careful thought, I have concluded that Ronnie, at his best, would have beaten Dorian. Ronnie is the greatest Mr. O.
That is all.
agreed.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc54.jpg)
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i agree.................bu t i still prefer dorian (he changed the way everyone trained!)
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i agree.................bu t i still prefer dorian (he changed the way everyone trained!)
true, but Dorian's style of training injured the hell out of him.
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i agree.................bu t i still prefer dorian (he changed the way everyone trained!)
for the better, or worse?
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It's heart-warming to see how almost every thread becomes a raging hate-fest sooner or later.
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So true !!!!!
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what a totally redundant thread.... dorian always anihilated coleman in competition .. now ronnie is mr O in a different era .. its not valid to compare backwards.
for instance ... lee haney beat dorian fair n square in 91 .. but dorian took it to a new level in the followin mr O era ... dorian at his peak would have crushed haney .. but haney was the better bodybuilder cuz he had the lockdown in his time and saw off dorian with aplomb!
same goes for the dorian /coleman head to heads... it was an embarrasin mismatch! coleman who??
the fact that a bodybuilder from a previous era (yates) is still fightin for the hearts n minds of current bodybuildin fans sans coleman speaks volumes to how monstrous dorian was. people just cant get over his freaky grained mass and obsess about it even today!
ill say it again .. dorian in 93 makes coleman look like a watery pissbag!
maybe smaller (only slight) but what dya expect from a previous 'era' ... dorian is shockin even to todays fans !
hence the endless comparisons with the current mr 0 and his grotesque abs that look like a badly pinched loaf ! ;)
dorian rewrote the book .. coleman is merely surfin his wave!
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i dont know how many times we have to have this debate on here - it is called natural progression - doesnt neccesaily mean the most recent one is better they are just the best of there era, with the current methods (in this case, drugs etc) available. For instance, in athletics, is asafa powell a better athlete than carl lewis was coz he has run faster 15 or 20 yrs later? Or in swimming is michael phelps a better athlete than mark spitz was coz he swam faster 20 or 30 yrs later? I dont know why it cant just be left as the best of their time their are that many different variables as time progresses that it cant really be compared.
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Ronnie is far superior.
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if ronnie is better than dorian why couldnt he challenge doz in their endless head to heads ??
dorian dominated in a far more competitve era.. ronnie was lost in the numbers.
now hes just walkin ' hangin beef' fendin off the feeble competiton .
ll be glad when ron retires .. and aother monster from nowhere emerges with a new and advanced druggin regimine and takes it to whole new level ... we'll be havin the same cretinous and pointless debates then.
dont tell me.. no-one will ever be as big as ronster right ! ::)
they've said that about every champ! ;)
doz pwned ronnie with ease over many years n comps ... end of !
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How many times has Dorian beaten Ronnie?
How many times has Ronnie beaten Dorian?
I rest my case.
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I totally agree. Dorian has beaten ronnie several times. In his prime, ronnie would win tho. But will they compete now a days? no chance.
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Ronnie is NOT the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time.
Arnold or possibly Sergio represent the pinnacle of what someone could look like.
Dorian, and Ronnie to a greater extent represent how distorted someone can get by taking drug use and food to a disgusting level.
But, in current standards Ronnie would beat Dorian.
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Arnold or possibly Sergio represent the pinnacle of what someone could look like.
Dorian, and Ronnie to a greater extent represent how distorted someone can get by taking drug use and food to a disgusting level.
But, in current standards Ronnie would beat Dorian.
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one of the stupidiest comments I've ever seen.
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if ronnie is better than dorian why couldnt he challenge doz in their endless head to heads ??
dorian dominated in a far more competitve era.. ronnie was lost in the numbers.
now hes just walkin ' hangin beef' fendin off the feeble competiton .
ll be glad when ron retires .. and aother monster from nowhere emerges with a new and advanced druggin regimine and takes it to whole new level ... we'll be havin the same cretinous and pointless debates then.
dont tell me.. no-one will ever be as big as ronster right ! ::)
they've said that about every champ! ;)
doz pwned ronnie with ease over many years n comps ... end of !
I laugh at these ridiculous "Dorian beat Ronnie many times" crap because Ronnie was nowhere near his peak at the time.
By that argument, Frank Zane (yes, the swimmer) would have beaten Arnold every time they met because Frank Zane beat Arnold in competition ::)
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Ronnie is NOT the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time.
Arnold or possibly Sergio represent the pinnacle of what someone could look like.
Dorian, and Ronnie to a greater extent represent how distorted someone can get by taking drug use and food to a disgusting level.
But, in current standards Ronnie would beat Dorian.
The greatest Mr. Olympia was Frank Zane. His proportions and conditioning were excellent.
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The greatest Mr. Olympia was Frank Zane. His proportions and conditioning were excellent.
yup, he beat Arnold when they met. Therefore, he would have beaten Arnold everytime they met. and would have crushed Ronnie and Dorian too.
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yup, he beat Arnold when they met. Therefore, he would have beaten Arnold everytime they met. and would have crushed Ronnie and Dorian too.
It is classy of you to admit this. Frank also looked good in COLOR and ON STAGE, which would have helped him beat Dorian. It would have been close with Ronnie though, because he also looks good in COLOR and ON STAGE.
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swimmers are better than bodybuilders
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swimmers are better than bodybuilders
It is better to look like a swimmer than to look like a bloated, ugly but rock hard piece of unaesthetic granite.
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Screech!!!
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After reading the endless banter on which of these two is best & giving it careful thought, I have concluded that Ronnie, at his best, would have beaten Dorian.
Duh! It took endless banter followed by thought to come to that conclusion? ::) Would you like to buy a bridge?
The only two even in the same sentence are Oliva & Schwarzenegger. They might not win either.
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How many times has Dorian beaten Ronnie?
How many times has Ronnie beaten Dorian?
useless comment.
how many times has arnold beaten ronnie?
how many times has ronnie beaten arnold?
it is not about how many times x has beaten y and vice versa.
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they are different eras you silly c'unts!
dorian's pro record speaks for itself... ronnie n dorian are nearly the same age... dorian has murdered ronnie in every head to head... now ronnie is in another ERA... you cant compare in retrospect !
ther next MR O will surpass ronnie for mass ... thats a fact ..... for instance if jay cutler takes over the O when the ronster retires ... and due to another leap in trainin ethic and druggin surpasses ronnie's mass ... will you be sayin jay is better than ronnie ? of course you wont .. ronnie puts the beatdown on jay every encounter.
oh and dont go sayin jay could never surpass ronnie's standard , for instance..... who'd have thought ronnie would leap to prominence like he did in 98 when before he was an also ran!
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dorian has murdered ronnie in every head to head
According to this brilliance:
-Haney owns Yates after beating him head to head.
-Zane owns Schwarzenegger after beating him head to head.
Pathetic logic, desperately latch on to some other argument.
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they are different eras you silly c'unts!
dorian's pro record speaks for itself... ronnie n dorian are nearly the same age... dorian has murdered ronnie in every head to head... now ronnie is in another ERA... you cant compare in retrospect !
ther next MR O will surpass ronnie for mass ... thats a fact ..... for instance if jay cutler takes over the O when the ronster retires ... and due to another leap in trainin ethic and druggin surpasses ronnie's mass ... will you be sayin jay is better than ronnie ? of course you wont .. ronnie puts the beatdown on jay every encounter.
oh and dont go sayin jay could never surpass ronnie's standard , for instance..... who'd have thought ronnie would leap to prominence like he did in 98 when before he was an also ran!
Use your brain. Ronnie was not at his peak until Yates retired. Is Haney superior to Yates because he beat him? Using your silly logic, he is, and because Coleman is superior to Haney, Ronnie> Dorian. No need to nuthug because you are both Brits.
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Coleman's conditioning was at his all-time best in 96-97
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ronnie is NOT better than jay .. cuz jay handed him his ass in 2001 !!
hows that for a shockaroony!
ron is a big fat , lazy bastard who used to turn up to olympias in atrocious bloated conditionin in the early 2000's untill jay shook his world and complacency!
dorian only looked 'off' cuz of injurys, the guy was a trojan !
oh and btw .. every successive mr 0 has to be bigger than the previous ... old joe makes sure its so .. i wonder what ronnie gets 'slipped' behind the scenes to maintain his/weider's franchise !
ronnie is just an unthinkin lab rat .... can barely string a coherent sentence together .... ronnie would never have 'peaked' if dorian hadnt retired! ;)
think about it , f'uckers!
i wanna see what the next MR O looks like ,,, old joe will make sure hes 'a bigger than ever before' beast!
doz did it all by himself.... tucked away in england !
haney prolly retired cuz he saw dorian comin up in HIS ROOKIE olympia and knew it was curtains for the future.. dorian didnt retire cuz he was worried about ronnie overtakin him!
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ronnie is NOT better than jay .. cuz jay handed him his ass in 2001 !!
hows that for a shockaroony!
ron is a big fat , lazy bastard who used to turn up to olympias in atrocious bloated conditionin in the early 2000's untill jay shook his world and complacency!
dorian only looked 'off' cuz of injurys, the guy was a trojan !
oh and btw .. every successive mr 0 has to be bigger than the previous ... old joe makes sure its so .. i wonder what ronnie gets 'slipped' behind the scenes to maintain his/weider's franchise !
ronnie is just an unthinkin lab rat .... can barely string a coherent sentence together .... ronnie would never have 'peaked' if dorian hadnt retired! ;)
think about it , f'uckers!
i wanna see what the next MR O looks like ,,, old joe will make sure hes 'a bigger than ever before' beast!
doz did it all by himself.... tucked away in england !
haney prolly retired cuz he saw dorian comin up in HIS ROOKIE olympia and knew it was curtains for the future.. dorian didnt retire cuz he was worried about ronnie overtakin him!
;)
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ronnie is NOT better than jay .. cuz jay handed him his ass in 2001 !!
hows that for a shockaroony!
ron is a big fat , lazy bastard who used to turn up to olympias in atrocious bloated conditionin in the early 2000's untill jay shook his world and complacency!
dorian only looked 'off' cuz of injurys, the guy was a trojan !
oh and btw .. every successive mr 0 has to be bigger than the previous ... old joe makes sure its so .. i wonder what ronnie gets 'slipped' behind the scenes to maintain his/weider's franchise !
ronnie is just an unthinkin lab rat .... can barely string a coherent sentence together .... ronnie would never have 'peaked' if dorian hadnt retired! ;)
think about it , f'uckers!
i wanna see what the next MR O looks like ,,, old joe will make sure hes 'a bigger than ever before' beast!
doz did it all by himself.... tucked away in england !
haney prolly retired cuz he saw dorian comin up in HIS ROOKIE olympia and knew it was curtains for the future.. dorian didnt retire cuz he was worried about ronnie overtakin him!
Ronnie has a degree in Accounting, I seriously doubt that he is an idiot. Some Americans have funny accents, which is better than Brits, who all have funny accents ;D Dorian would have been destroyed had he kept competing. He was a wreck, he would have surpassed his own record for physical grotesquery. Actually, he might have won 35 more Olympias, we know how the IFBB likes to judge. ;D
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was ronnie on one of them football scholarships or somethin .. where they get mickey mouse qualifications so they can stay in college andthrow a ball about ?
dubya got impressive qualifications too .. and the guy was a dropout , junkie n time-waster! i wonder why ? ron is a f'uckin moron ... can't debate or think cogently .. just mumbles 'soundbites' at the camera/interviewers!
here we see the 'crux ' of the matter... granite versus play doh! ;D
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was ronnie on one of them football scholarships or somethin .. where they get mickey mouse qualifications so they can stay in college andthrow a ball about ?
dubya got impressive qualifications too .. and the guy was a dropout , junkie n time-waster! i wonder why ? ron is a f'uckin moron ... can't debate or think cogently .. just mumbles 'soundbites' at the camera/interviewers!
here we see the 'crux ' of the matter... granite versus play doh! ;D
Dorian has the ugliest body of any Mr. Olympia. I just showed his picture to my niece and she threw up on the floor. He looks hard, but has no arms and ugly quads. George Bush is quite intelligent, are you trying to suggest otherwise? Ronnie may not be a good speaker, but if you read his Flex columns, you will see that he is an excellent writer ;D
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Dorian has the ugliest body of any Mr. Olympia.
Chalk up a nother homosexual person in the world
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Dorian has the ugliest body of any Mr. Olympia. I just showed his picture to my niece and she threw up on the floor. He looks hard, but has no arms and ugly quads. George Bush is quite intelligent, are you trying to suggest otherwise? Ronnie may not be a good speaker, but if you read his Flex columns, you will see that he is an excellent writer ;D
hahaha you thick bastard... all articles are ghost written and the pros merely put their names to them !
oh dear... you really are f'uckin yourself up here royally arnt you !
typical ronnie fan ... as thick as their idol!! ;D
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Chalk up a nother homosexual person in the world
I support your decision to come out. It was a brave thing to do.
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hahaha you thick bastard... all articles are ghost written and the pros merely put their names to them !
oh dear... you really are f'uckin yourself up here royally arnt you !
typical ronnie fan ... as thick as their idol!! ;D
Hence the smiley face, you silly British bastard ;D
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thanks for that intellgent response... you are obviously dumbfounded and merely lashin out with disengenous blandishments (go look it up moron)
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thanks for that intellgent response... you are obviously dumbfounded and merely lashin out with disengenous blandishments (go look it up moron)
Meltdown.
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in your dreams , moron ...
,, god how i love 'mixin it' with yanks ..... you really are a lesser species ! 8)
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This really should really ever be a topic...From Ronnies first olympia to his last, he would be #1 at any time...Although even with all that said, i still think Haney is the best of all time...Dorian isn't even top 5 for all time and it is probably because he is ugly as f ck...but that is a whole other thread...
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in your dreams , moron ...
,, god how i love 'mixin it' with yanks ..... you really are a lesser species ! 8)
You Brits and your never-ending arrogance. You guys have gotten really soft and dandy over the years. In MMA, your guys get beat up by Canadians on a regular basis. Not to mention you are all depressed from the crappy weather ;D
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was ronnie on one of them football scholarships or somethin .. where they get mickey mouse qualifications so they can stay in college andthrow a ball about ?
dubya got impressive qualifications too .. and the guy was a dropout , junkie n time-waster! i wonder why ? ron is a f'uckin moron ... can't debate or think cogently .. just mumbles 'soundbites' at the camera/interviewers!
here we see the 'crux ' of the matter... granite versus play doh! ;D
its no secret that Dorian trained for size alone...Didn't care about anything else..With that in mind, Ronnie is almost twice the size a Dorian ever was...
Just imagine what shawn ray would look like if he wanted to train for size alone???
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its no secret that Dorian trained for size alone...Didn't care about anything else..With that in mind, Ronnie is almost twice the size a Dorian ever was...
Just imagine what shawn ray would look like if he wanted to train for size alone???
Ronnie was twice the size? You are a pea-brain. Most of Ronnie's greater weight is in his GH gut, quads, and enormous ass. Even Arnold matches Ronnie in upper body comparisons.
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Ronnie was twice the size? You are a pea-brain. Most of Ronnie's greater weight is in his GH gut, quads, and enormous ass. Even Arnold matches Ronnie in upper body comparisons.
Arnold doesn't match Ronnie because he has no rear delts, triceps too small for biceps, sloping shoulders, comparatively smaller back and small forearms. Ronnie is the most muscular man to ever live.
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Ronnie is the most muscular man to ever live.
True; even Oliva didn't have that upper body size. Schwarzenegger great but nowhere near the same upper body volume. Dillet's about the only one in the same sentence.
Haney like Yates is deeply flawed in terms of balance, despite greatness in some areas (both with great torsos & overall muscle quality & dryness).
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ill say it again .. dorian in 93 makes coleman look like a watery pissbag!
maybe smaller (only slight) but what dya expect from a previous 'era' ... dorian is shockin even to todays fans !
hence the endless comparisons with the current mr 0 and his grotesque abs that look like a badly pinched loaf ! ;)
dorian rewrote the book .. coleman is merely surfin his wave!
the nazi fuck does make a good point ...
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ill say it again .. dorian in 93 makes coleman look like a watery pissbag!
maybe smaller (only slight) but what dya expect from a previous 'era'
Yates was nowhere near the same size on most of the physique: back, delts, arms & legs. The contrast's made even worse by Yates' relative lack of taper resulting from a much thicker bone structure. The difference in overall volume's ridiculous; Yates's arms were always mediocre.
Better density, dryness and calves sure, but that's not much.
"Being from a previous era" is a copout; they were only a few years apart.. ;)
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Yates was nowhere near the same size on most of the physique: back, delts, arms & legs. The contrast's made even worse by Yates' relative lack of taper resulting from a much thicker bone structure. The difference in overall volume's ridiculous; Yates's arms were always mediocre.
Better density, dryness and calves sure, but that's not much.
your last sentence says it all..
Density versus volume
i pick density cause more volume = just intracellular water..
and i dare say it even now..yates back ws wider..
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Better density, dryness and calves sure, but that's not much.
not much? those are huge qualities in bodybuilding.
who's better? who gives a shit.
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not much? those are huge qualities in bodybuilding.
who's better? who gives a shit.
Dorian was drier, but he looked like a dried-up piece of dogpoo. He was denser, but he looked like 10 pounds of fertilizer stuffed into a 5 pound bag. He had the ugliest physique of any Mr. Olympia and was the worst ambassador for bodybuilding.