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" It's nowhere nearly as popular as what it used to be in the '80s and '90s when it was at its peak. It was a different time."
Is he right?
Most people including even many bb'ers don't find today's elite competitors bodies appealing at all. They know there's no way in hell of achieving it without insane amounts of drugs. Therefor their respect for them is void.
Prior to the mass monster trend you saw people on stage with shapes that you'd actually want to look like.
Physique catches a lot of heat but the truth is you look great and sexy, pick up girls, stay healthy and even if you dont have amazing genetics you can do it. There's a recent long ass thread on here about Ulysses being possibly the most aesthetic bodybuilder today, he has a large following..and he doesn't even compete in the IFBB. I used to think Musclemania and WBFF were second rate federations with clown acts, until I recently took a trip to the UK with 1 of my buddies Anthony Defosse who was competing in 1. (He's since signed up to the thunderdome, give him a warm welcome bitches )
First off, it had the hottest fucking women I ever seen in my life (damn you marriage!) ..very feminine tightly toned bodies with big round asses. ;D but also, alot of the guys had sick builds aswell. Well conditioned and aesthetic looks albeit much smaller. Builds that would inspire the average person to pick up weights instead of grossing them out. The show was also much more entertaining than any npc event or pro show outside The Olympia that I've attended.
Some might say this is the pussification of bodybuilding, but IMO it's the art of building a pussyslaying physique.
Thoughts?
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bodybuilding dies again and again: every time someone realizes steroids are involved
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bodybuilding as in 'men in thongs' and people getting excited over them isn't doing very well
bodybuilding as in the 'fitness industry', 'celebrity fitness coaches/ models' and most importantly 'snake oil salesmen making millions of dollars' is booming
it's just going in a different direction - most men don't wanna drool over other man (except for schmoes obv), most men want to be drooled over. Nobody says "holy shit that is a wonderful physique, I really like LOOKING at it", they say "holy shit that's a wonderful physique, I WANNA LOOK LIKE THAT GUY, what supplements does he use?"
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bodybuilding dies again and again: every time someone realizes steroids are involved
Good point. Mainstream American hates the thought of gear
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The difference is that in the 1990's they removed medical oversight of cycles. You now have guys largely self dosing without the benefit of blood tests and ancillaries to control sides.
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I wonder if Zyzz would've been so popular if he was the size of a typical bodybuilder. He was the perfect example of a great looking build that naive people thought could've been obtained naturally
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he's right... it's always going to be less and less mainstream as guys get bigger. But what is mainstream? Glee and "The Voice"? Hey, I'll stick with this obscure sport anyday over that.
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" It's nowhere nearly as popular as what it used to be in the '80s and '90s when it was at its peak. It was a different time."
Is he right?
Most people including even many bb'ers don't find today's elite competitors bodies appealing at all. They know there's no way in hell of achieving it without insane amounts of drugs. Therefor their respect for them is void.
Prior to the mass monster trend you saw people on stage with shapes that you'd actually want to look like.
Physique catches a lot of heat but the truth is you look great and sexy, pick up girls, stay healthy and even if you dont have amazing genetics you can do it. There's a recent long ass thread on here about Ulysses being possibly the most aesthetic bodybuilder today, he has a large following..and he doesn't even compete in the IFBB. I used to think Musclemania and WBFF were second rate federations with clown acts, until I recently took a trip to the UK with 1 of my buddies Anthony Defosse who was competing in 1. (He's since signed up to the thunderdome, give him a warm welcome bitches )
First off, it had the hottest fucking women I ever seen in my life (damn you marriage!) ..very feminine tightly toned bodies with big round asses. ;D but also, alot of the guys had sick builds aswell. Well conditioned and aesthetic looks albeit much smaller. Builds that would inspire the average person to pick up weights instead of grossing them out. The show was also much more entertaining than any npc event or pro show outside The Olympia that I've attended.
Some might say this is the pussification of bodybuilding, but IMO it's the art of building a pussyslaying physique.
Thoughts?
After big Ron left, there was this void--actually after the 90s bbers (dex is a hold over) left, there was this void...the current guys don't have the look, the "stage presence", the attitude, the charisma...
Plus, everybody knows that you need massive amount of steroids to look, mediocre, like Rich Piana. Big Rich would have been clowned by the 90s guys today, he's a straight clown...
The Physique and Musclemania dudes is where it's at. Having Phil Heath's arms is cool, but I want Ulisses waist and taper to go with it.
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That is ironic that Dillet talks about mass monsters that use too much gear.
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" It's nowhere nearly as popular as what it used to be in the '80s and '90s when it was at its peak. It was a different time."
Is he right?
Most people including even many bb'ers don't find today's elite competitors bodies appealing at all. They know there's no way in hell of achieving it without insane amounts of drugs. Therefor their respect for them is void.
Prior to the mass monster trend you saw people on stage with shapes that you'd actually want to look like.
Physique catches a lot of heat but the truth is you look great and sexy, pick up girls, stay healthy and even if you dont have amazing genetics you can do it. There's a recent long ass thread on here about Ulysses being possibly the most aesthetic bodybuilder today, he has a large following..and he doesn't even compete in the IFBB. I used to think Musclemania and WBFF were second rate federations with clown acts, until I recently took a trip to the UK with 1 of my buddies Anthony Defosse who was competing in 1. (He's since signed up to the thunderdome, give him a warm welcome bitches )
First off, it had the hottest fucking women I ever seen in my life (damn you marriage!) ..very feminine tightly toned bodies with big round asses. ;D but also, alot of the guys had sick builds aswell. Well conditioned and aesthetic looks albeit much smaller. Builds that would inspire the average person to pick up weights instead of grossing them out. The show was also much more entertaining than any npc event or pro show outside The Olympia that I've attended.
Some might say this is the pussification of bodybuilding, but IMO it's the art of building a pussyslaying physique.
Thoughts?
Yes, good article! Conditioning and symmetry should be like 80% of judging, size should be maybe %20. GH gut should be automatic disqualification.
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Yes, good article! Conditioning and symmetry should be like 70% of judging, size should be maybe %30. GH gut should be automatic disqualification.
I say 50/50 it is called bodybuilding not bodyconditioning
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I say 50/50 it is called bodybuilding not bodyconditioning
Okay, fair enough...
It is bodybuilding like you said, but they need to send a message that looking like a fucking ox with lumpy and mismatched, Frankenstein looking, schmoe attracting slabs of muscle and a giant belly won't get you anywhere.
Mr Olympia should look more like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=26857;image)
than this:
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Okay, fair enough...
It is bodybuilding like you said, but they need to send a message that looking like a fucking ox with lumpy and mismatched, Frankenstein looking, schmoe attracting slabs of muscle and a giant belly won't get you anywhere.
Mr Olympia should look more like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=26857;image)
than this:
yes with a lil more mass
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Something right in between Dorian and Haney .......
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In pauls defence, he took a lot less than guys half his size and didnt eat much either, Im not saying he was on Lee priest dosages ;D but it was well known around Venice that Flex took double triple what Paul did.
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yes with a lil more mass
Yeah, exactly!
Instead of trying to just grow like Cattle they need to work on looking like bodybuilders.
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Yeah, exactly!
Instead of trying to just grow like Cattle they need to work on looking like bodybuilders.
I like the 80's
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Okay, fair enough...
It is bodybuilding like you said, but they need to send a message that looking like a fucking ox with lumpy and mismatched, Frankenstein looking, schmoe attracting slabs of muscle and a giant belly won't get you anywhere.
Mr Olympia should look more like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=26857;image)
than this:
Have you seen what Mindspin looks like now? He took a 180 from that...and is healthy.
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I like the 80's
Hell yeah
http://www.muscle-base.com/timeline-of-mr-olympia-from-1981-to-1996/
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Have you seen what Mindspin looks like now? He took a 180 from that...and is healthy.
No, where are the pics?
Does he ever post anymore?
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That is ironic that Dillet talks about mass monsters that use too much gear.
Yeah but Dillet actually looked good - aside from his awkward posing.
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No, where are the pics?
Does he ever post anymore?
They are some where here, he posted a few yrs back. As of a few yrs ago,he is into MMA...lost a lot of weight.
He is the mod that doesn't post.
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They are some where here, he posted a few yrs back. As of a few yrs ago,he is into MMA...lost a lot of weight.
He is the mod that doesn't post.
Oh yeah, I remember him making several pro gun control posts that annoyed me months ago. 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289176.0;attach=328979;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289176.0;attach=328977;image)
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I have said this over and over again:
Make the vacum pose mandatory and the gross guts will go away (i hope).
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I have said this over and over again:
Make the vacum pose mandatory and the gross guts will go away (i hope).
Even Melvin Anthony said he couldn't do a vacuum (back when he was getting a Pro).
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" It's nowhere nearly as popular as what it used to be in the '80s and '90s when it was at its peak. It was a different time."
Is he right?
Most people including even many bb'ers don't find today's elite competitors bodies appealing at all. They know there's no way in hell of achieving it without insane amounts of drugs. Therefor their respect for them is void.
Prior to the mass monster trend you saw people on stage with shapes that you'd actually want to look like.
Physique catches a lot of heat but the truth is you look great and sexy, pick up girls, stay healthy and even if you dont have amazing genetics you can do it. There's a recent long ass thread on here about Ulysses being possibly the most aesthetic bodybuilder today, he has a large following..and he doesn't even compete in the IFBB. I used to think Musclemania and WBFF were second rate federations with clown acts, until I recently took a trip to the UK with 1 of my buddies Anthony Defosse who was competing in 1. (He's since signed up to the thunderdome, give him a warm welcome bitches )
First off, it had the hottest fucking women I ever seen in my life (damn you marriage!) ..very feminine tightly toned bodies with big round asses. ;D but also, alot of the guys had sick builds aswell. Well conditioned and aesthetic looks albeit much smaller. Builds that would inspire the average person to pick up weights instead of grossing them out. The show was also much more entertaining than any npc event or pro show outside The Olympia that I've attended.
Some might say this is the pussification of bodybuilding, but IMO it's the art of building a pussyslaying physique.
Thoughts?
bbing died in 2001/2002, when mitsuru okabe started to film boring guy doing partial dead on smith machine and customised hammer strenght lat machine.
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Bodybuilding seems to be getting bigger to me and its annoying. My whole facebook is filled with girls hashtagging #eatclean #traindirty or putting NPC in front of their name and other stupid bullshit like that.
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Bodybuilding has always been a subculture of a sport. It's also a sport that couldn't exist without drugs. It's sad because it could have been the symbol of health and fitness instead of being so tied to drugs. I know Don Horworth took dianabol but if there wasn't the drug involvement in bodybuilding I would like to think the Olympia winner would look something like his picture.
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Bodybuilding seems to be getting bigger to me and its annoying. My whole facebook is filled with girls hashtagging #eatclean #traindirty or putting NPC in front of their name and other stupid bullshit like that.
This.
Pro bodybuilding is dying out though.
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Bodybuilding seems to be getting bigger to me and its annoying. My whole facebook is filled with girls hashtagging #eatclean #traindirty or putting NPC in front of their name and other stupid bullshit like that.
Seriously, it seems like girls are more into the "gymrat" thing then guys these days
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Bodybuilding was and will always be a niche sport!
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Bodybuilding seems to be getting bigger to me and its annoying. My whole facebook is filled with girls hashtagging #eatclean #traindirty or putting NPC in front of their name and other stupid bullshit like that.
This.
"Competing," or at least training with competitive aspirations, has definitely become a "thing." It's annoying, especially to those of us who feel like actual accomplishments should garner praise and admiration, not 'effing tweets and instagay pics of your latest workout.
In regards to "bodybuilding" being dead, I think the only thing to do is try to build a classical and aesthetic physique and just out-class and out-condition these npc frankensteins. Just because everyone is doing it, doesn't mean you have to.
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Big Paul said this had nothing to do with Diuretic uses....he just forgot to drink enough water,...sure. we believe you, Big Paul
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I wonder if Zyzz would've been so popular if he was the size of a typical bodybuilder. He was the perfect example of a great looking build that naive people thought could've been obtained naturally
yah he was the exact perfect aesteticaly pleasing and within reality goals physique.
the very naive would think can be done naturaly, the more realistic will know it akes a bit supplements.
ppl are stupid they want to belive this and that can be done naturaly, but the thought process behind it is not vs steroids, its to ensure themselves(much more naively)that only if they tried the right steroids, they too could look like that.
ppl can say what they want about zyzz, but the guy was open about how he looked natty(knda shit)and when on bit gear, yah his prefered choice was sust-tren blend.
as for pro bbuilding, yeah at the pace the athletes are dropping dead,it could literaly die ;D
if it werent for the guts, the deformed faces, itd be ok.
the mags always always, since arnold days, made sure to not show offseason pics, bc the bloofy look the always figured wouldnt be very practical and useful to boost popularity.
things have changed, nobody gives a fuck about abiut mags, the bloofy offseason pictures are ont he web, (and not for diet capsules marketing purpose lie MMI did with lee priest back then)and the drugs taken are kinda known.
ofc the average twink out there still doesnt know shit about how gear works and what it does, they overly exagerate the effects often, but the ppl are more informed overall.and seeing sideefects like huge guts even when shredded, this has many ppl start to think.
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he's right... it's always going to be less and less mainstream as guys get bigger. But what is mainstream? Glee and "The Voice"? Hey, I'll stick with this obscure sport anyday over that.
Not a fair comparison, the mainstream target for bodybuilding should be for a particular audience the one with fans that follows athletes (men) competing for a tittle
Examples : Boxing for a world tittle, or NFL Super bowl, MLB World series, NBA all star game etc ...
( The Mr. Olympia tittle is the Super Bowl of bb )......
But who care?
Btw, Philsulin sucks
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH
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Bodybuilding STARTED to go downhill after PROPORTIONS went out the window... MR. OLYMPIA'S should look like this:
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One of the most jawing dropping sights in Gold's Venice history was Dillet training arms, super setting bi's & tris, wearing a sleeveless (not tank top) T-shirt. All you could do is shake your head in disbelief at what you were seeing.
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"I hate these mass monsters TODAY"
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/5/859f7-IMGP0589.jpg)
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One of the most jawing dropping sights in Gold's Venice history was Dillet training arms, super setting bi's & tris, wearing a sleeveless (not tank top) T-shirt. All you could do is shake your head in disbelief at what you were seeing.
Before Paul moved to S.Cal, he trained At Golds Gym in Sunrise FL.where I trained for years! I used to watch him do cable cross overs for chest and just shake my head!
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I think the only thing to do is try to build a classical and aesthetic physique and just out-class and out-condition these npc frankensteins. Just because everyone is doing it, doesn't mean you have to.
agreed 100000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000%
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said it before and i'll say it again. you can't hate ronnie or phil, jay or dorian. it's the judges. they did what they needed to in order to win trophies. if dorian's mess of a body had lost in its later years, or ronnie stopped having his bloated disaster area rewarded, things would be different.
dillet might have been a mass guy, but at least he had a small waist and didn't look like balloons.
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Bodybuilding STARTED to go downhill after PROPORTIONS went out the window... MR. OLYMPIA'S should look like this:
Mr. Olympias should have looked like a prime Bob Paris, but the Weider brothers were never going to allow that to happen.
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frankly this is why i stopped giving a shit about bodybuilding ages ago. it's like an art exhibit. there's no objective criteria, no genuine progress from generation to generation. if the judges wanted to they could randomly decide that some guy 70lb lighter than everyone else on stage is the winner and there'd be nothing to be done about it.
once you understand that bodybuilding is nothing more than a beauty pageant with a really fucked up idea of "beauty", everything feels illuminated.
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Big Paul said this had nothing to do with Diuretic uses....he just forgot to drink enough water,...sure. we believe you, Big Paul
Did you ever read the John Romano story about how this whole incident happened? He was coaching Paul at the time and had some rather unorthodox fucking retarded methods for drying him out. I forget where I read it, but the shit John had Paul doing should be attempted murder on his part.
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Mr Olympia should look more like this:
No..."mister olympia" shouldnt exist in the first place. Bodybuilding is losers injecting veterinary steroids and other substances to get as big as possible while destroying your health for a plastic trophy and gay4pay.
It's crap, it's for losers, liars, con artists, scamers, the filth of the earth.
Physical conditioning -lifting weight and doing cardio, eating healthy- is where it's at. Everything else is extreme and damageable.
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Did you ever read the John Romano story about how this whole incident happened? He was coaching Paul at the time and had some rather unorthodox fucking retarded methods for drying him out. I forget where I read it, but the shit John had Paul doing should be attempted murder on his part.
I read that, it was in an old MD,when Romano was still with them!