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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Frank Clairmonte on December 25, 2013, 07:48:28 AM
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Still holding decent size and lean.
He should take off his shirt and hit some poses, I bet that he would still look great even after all those years and health problems.
no homo
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Flax Walters.
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Still looks great! Ruined maybe the best Physique ever with those tribal tatts!
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Unbelieveable. Some guys just have the genetics for being huge and lean, no matter what.
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If by "it" you mean the donated kidney, then fine. At least he won't be taking another away from a more deserving (i.e., not a drug addicted fly-pad of a human being) individual.
He looks like Stymie from the Little Rascals. ;D
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Maybe, but he's tatted-up and mentally ill, so that cancels it out.
Don't forget, Flex's balls are completely shut down, so he needs to be on T for the rest of his life. I'm sure that doesn't hurt.
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After the health and kidney issues , why would anyone even consider still juicing?
At least tom prince gave it up for good, some people just can't walk away until its too late and they're 6 ft under
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If by "it" you mean the donated kidney, then fine. At least he won't be taking another away from a more deserving (i.e., not a drug addicted fly-pad of a human being) individual
Yeah, they could've saved Derek Anthonies life with that kidney, but they wasted it on Flex.
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wow this actualy looks very very fucking good.
this is the perfect everydy physique if youa sk me.
i hope for him this is natural or hrt.
natural i wouldnt believe, hrt i can believe.
again, this is incredibly good look,i hope fpr him it dont take more than hrt for this, in regards to kidney and health.
god bless him,hes been served the best genetics out there.my fav athlete of al;l time i will never ever forget the arnold classic show where he beat nasser, when he cam in his all time best, and he knew it, when he flexed his back for the rear double biceps, hell broke loose under his skin, phytons and muscle fibers with perfect details crawling under it all over the place.
then in the elbows down poisiton showing of lower back and lats,the feathered lats.
hell yeah perfect, this was the one thing that motivated me to train like nothing else.
ppl gonna say synthol flex this synthol flex that, its irrelevant, its stupid, they trash talking to a god, hes the perfect genetic male specimen. no matter how you turn it.
whats his age?where are the ppl who say all drugs when atheletes get smaller with age?
haha he looks better right there than most all drugs buffet npc line ups
8)
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"Natural Freak"... ::)
(http://active8canada.com/assets/descriptions/From%20fat%20to%20fit%20Born-Again%20Natural%20Freak%20Flex%20Wheeler%20is%20living%20proof.jpeg)
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i don't even want to know what he's still doing...Having a fat face with abs after having a transplant is completely mentally ill. This guy is actually still using oil and has the balls to fukc with insulin. Just amazing...
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wow this actualy looks very very fucking good.
this is the perfect everydy physique if youa sk me.
i hope for him this is natural or hrt.
natural i wouldnt believe, hrt i can believe.
again, this is incredibly good look,i hope fpr him it dont take more than hrt for this, in regards to kidney and health.
god bless him,hes been served the best genetics out there.my fav athlete of al;l time i will never ever forget the arnold classic show where he beat nasser, when he cam in his all time best, and he knew it, when he flexed his back for the rear double biceps, hell broke loose under his skin, phytons and muscle fibers with perfect details crawling under it all over the place.
then in the elbows down poisiton showing of lower back and lats,the feathered lats.
hell yeah perfect, this was the one thing that motivated me to train like nothing else.
ppl gonna say synthol flex this synthol flex that, its irrelevant, its stupid, they trash talking to a god, hes the perfect genetic male specimen. no matter how you turn it.
whats his age?where are the ppl who say all drugs when atheletes get smaller with age?
haha he looks better right there than most all drugs buffet npc line ups
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Agree with everything you said Gal! 1998 Arnold when he beat Nasser was his all time best, Arnold even said it was the best physique has ever seen!
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Flex should do one more Arnold Classic. He looks great there.
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Did the transplant help?
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"Natural Freak"... ::)
(http://active8canada.com/assets/descriptions/From%20fat%20to%20fit%20Born-Again%20Natural%20Freak%20Flex%20Wheeler%20is%20living%20proof.jpeg)
;D
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After the health and kidney issues , why would anyone even consider still juicing?
At least tom prince gave it up for good, some people just can't walk away until its too late and they're 6 ft under
Of course! Anyone after the age of 40 should consider "juicing". Some call it "anti-aging", ever heard of that or looked at Sylvester Stallone and some other Hollywood stars?
Problem with top bodybuilders is that they EXAGGERATED and also used boatloads of diuretics and insuline and in some cases even narcotics.
Nobody ever died or got ill from quality injectable steroids or gh. On the contrary: it enhances the immunity system of your body.
As long as you're monitoring your blood values and keep an eye on blood pressure, blood count, hematocrite, liver and kidney values and prostate, you're better off juicing then natural when you're over 40.
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If he want's to place ahead of ronnie, now is the time!
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As long as you're monitoring your blood values and keep an eye on blood pressure, blood count, hematocrite, liver and kidney values and prostate, you're better off juicing then natural when you're over 40.
You forgot the heart ;D
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i don't even want to know what he's still doing...Having a fat face with abs after having a transplant is completely mentally ill. This guy is actually still using oil and has the balls to fukc with insulin. Just amazing...
Perfectly normal in "IFBB pro" circles....
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You forgot the heart ;D
Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.
Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.
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Flex is now better than Ronnie.
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Still holding decent size and lean.
He should take off his shirt and hit some poses, I bet that he would still look great even after all those years and health problems.
no homo
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His face is starting to show his age.
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Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.
Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.
lol stop the bs.
last time i checked youre no doc nor well read ito such stuff.
where do you have your info from.
cite the source,list the links.
epic denial.
look am not against steroids, but make the risks known.
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lol stop the bs.
last time i checked youre no doc nor well read ito such stuff.
where do you have your info from.
cite the source,list the links.
epic denial.
look am not against steroids, but make the risks known.
All the anti-aging doctors around the world juicing their patients (or what do you think they do?).
I don't have to prove anything, I'm not the one saying steroids ON THEIR OWN AND WHEN TAKEN WITH CARE are bad for the heart. If you are saying that, please YOU point me one, only one case of a death case with steroids as a MAIN CAUSE. Show me one study that proves unequivocally that simply taking steroids makes the heart grow to an alarming extent.
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LVH happens to big guys who are natural.....you don't think steroids are going to amplify the effects on the LV?
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All the anti-aging doctors around the world juicing their patients (or what do you think they do?).
I don't have to prove anything, I'm not the one saying steroids ON THEIR OWN AND WHEN TAKEN WITH CARE are bad for the heart. If you are saying that, please YOU point me one, only one case of a death case with steroids as a MAIN CAUSE. Show me one study that proves unequivocally that simply taking steroids makes the heart grow to an alarming extent.
ah yeah no problemo, its up o definition.
all im saying it can happen.
i had hearth checked recently and left ventricle size etc, ill admit i was abuser i younger years,lol, and it didnt happen to me, maybe i was lucky maybe the ones who get the growth are much worse abusers than i have been.
maybe its genetic in the first place.
yah i dont see it happening from 1 test ampuola weekly.
but other heart issues may arise but even then diet will be more the cause than steroids are, uless its abuse.
ppl should just be honest and smart enough to stop when bp isues start to happe, this is where the downfall beginns
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Flex is mentally ill
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ah yeah no problemo, its up o definition.
all im saying it can happen.
i had hearth checked recently and left ventricle size etc, ill admit i was abuser i younger years,lol, and it didnt happen to me, maybe i was lucky maybe the ones who get the growth are much worse abusers than i have been.
maybe its genetic in the first place.
yah i dont see it happening from 1 test ampuola weekly.
but other heart issues may arise but even then diet will be more the cause than steroids are, uless its abuse.
ppl should just be honest and smart enough to stop when bp isues start to happe, this is where the downfall beginns
Exactly my friend!
When people are abusing steroids AND gh for an extended period in time and don't care to monitor their blood pressure in the first place and secondly to give blood at least every three months to avoid elevated hematocrite, then it's no wonder they get heart issues.
No need to blame steroids for that. Drinking up to three glasses of wine daily is (according to some studies) healthy for the heart. Drinking three bottles every day I guess won't be that healthy... but who's to blame, the wine or the one who drinks it?
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i know some ppl will not like this, but i think as soon gh is in the stack, all bets are off.
even small doses
haha yeah i see them all the time, walking round with purple faces ;D
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Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.
Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.
Research suggests that it does....it's not conclusive, but neither is your assertion that steroids do not lead to cardiac myopathy :-\
Anything taking your test levels beyond 800-1000 ng/dL is playing with fire
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Genetics ...
The same way some old guys have big arms still at 60 and some men have a full head if hair at 90
Flex will always have decent muscles regardless of what he takes
This is what people hate to hear but it's the truth
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Research suggests that it does....it's not conclusive, but neither is your assertion that steroids do not lead to cardiac myopathy :-\
Anything taking your test levels beyond 800-1000 ng/dL is playing with fire
WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??
Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.
Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.
But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!
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WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??
Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.
Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.
But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!
LVH is a very real risk from trt, I have it.
Estrogen caused prostate issues so keeping it under control on trt might actually be lower risk than older men not on trt with low t high e
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LVH is a very real risk from trt, I have it.
Estrogen caused prostate issues so keeping it under control on trt might actually be lower risk than older men not on trt with low t high e
You got LVH on trt?? Doesn't that simply mean it's genetic? What's your sports/drug history?
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Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...
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synthol
tattoos
kidney failure
:(
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he looks kinda old there...
but respect to him that shows he has better genetics than coleman.. looks better than him after retirement.. well he looked better than him in his prime too.. coleman is just a big abuser and genetic freak too for sure but flex had him in genetics factor imo
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Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...
What exactly are you seeing in his eyes ???
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he looks kinda old there...
but respect to him that shows he has better genetics than coleman.. looks better than him after retirement.. well he looked better than him in his prime too.. coleman is just a big abuser and genetic freak too for sure but flex had him in genetics factor imo
oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic :D
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oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic :D
i mean great genetics for bb... flex was lookin like a greek god with comic look where coleman just looked like a big freak who abuses tons of roids.. i mean just look at the guy after his retirement that says all.. he didnt look pleasing in his prime too after 1999 he gone retard playin with drugs
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Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...
Not at all.
Any bber above 8% bf shows this bloated face, more like a down's syndrome look. Irishmen get this look even below 8%.
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WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??
Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.
Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.
But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!
The "safe" range for an 18-year old is quite different than that of a 60-year old. That being said teenagers top out at around 1200ng/dL which isn't far off from what I posted, so I'm not sure why you are taking issue with my statement.
LVH is very common in weightlifters/bodybuilders, both in natural and AAS-using bodybuilders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4079743
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9276165
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9778553
And these are just are just the first few studies that came up. LVH is well-documented in all sorts of serious athletes, I'm not sure where you get your information from.
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Still holding decent size and lean.
He should take off his shirt and hit some poses, I bet that he would still look great even after all those years and health problems.
no homo
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/edb5e69bb64ee7ae4730298792fc3f16/tumblr_mv60huOlbl1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PHSVststshk/Uqa7JBS-v_I/AAAAAAADJEQ/cKQrsjbhips/s1600/Gravity-Shree-2014-organised-Meehir-Kulkarni.jpg)
more than HRT...
some ppl are delusionnal, despite serious health trouble still chasing the illusion.
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hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime.. more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays??? ;D
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Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.
Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.
Growing of the heart isn't nearly as big of a deal with juice as plaque and Arteriosclerosis.
Steroids are pretty well known to cause messed up cholesterol values etc...Completely closed off plaque filled arteries are not uncommon in long time juice abusers who have heart attacks. The problems usually go away when you come off the sauce but who the hell comes off? It's usually the opposite, taking more and more.
TRT doses, I don't know. But no one got big on 100mg of test every 2 weeks. We're talking about bodybuilding and strength sports here. We abuse steroids.
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hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime.. more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays??? ;D
boy you dumb
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boy you dumb
if u think he is on more shit than hrt so tell me what does his stack look like?
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flex eyes do look ill
like watery
and as galeniko said... so many with purple lips, faces, etc horrible
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i just rememberd i saw a recent interview from fibo 2013 flex was sayin he doesnt train like a bodybuilder no more.. he does core training crossfit and shit like that..
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i just rememberd i saw a recent interview from fibo 2013 flex was sayin he doesnt train like a bodybuilder no more.. he does core training crossfit and shit like that..
that explains his monster midsection :D
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Plus he's all natural now too. Gotta respect that.
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:D ;D
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more than HRT...
some ppl are delusionnal, despite serious health trouble still chasing the illusion.
Qft.
Wooossshhhhhhhhh
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Not at all.
Any bber above 8% bf shows this bloated face, more like a down's syndrome look. Irishmen get this look even below 8%.
Not if they are clean they don't. Show me a natural at 8ish% bodyfat with a bloated face? Flex in those photo's has a borderline moon face at well under 10%. Point being, he's nowhere near clean...
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The "safe" range for an 18-year old is quite different than that of a 60-year old. That being said teenagers top out at around 1200ng/dL which isn't far off from what I posted, so I'm not sure why you are taking issue with my statement.
LVH is very common in weightlifters/bodybuilders, both in natural and AAS-using bodybuilders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4079743
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9276165
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9778553
And these are just are just the first few studies that came up. LVH is well-documented in all sorts of serious athletes, I'm not sure where you get your information from.
There you say it all! The AAS have nothing to do with it. Genetically predisposed people will develop LVH when they do sports intensively, wether they use AAS or not.
Still I believe that the benefits of doing sports outweighs the negative side of LVH, which can be controled and mastered if timely discovered.
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You originally said:
But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!
So I provided evidence that yes, bodybuilding and strength-training does lead to LVH. Adding AAS will generally compound the myopathy, but it will occur even without AAS.
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oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic :D
Yep and my bets are that Ronnie will outlive flex even with the abuse 8)
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hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime.. more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays??? ;D
Just as much proof u have of flex is on trt
Our guesses is that his usage is still above trt given he WAS a pro bber and the average bber regardless of their genetics take more than the average gym rat.
All these guys are so vain that they can't stand to look at themselves if lower the dosage
Remember flex still competed while his kidney was fucked, these guys are really messed up in the head
Jeez this site is becoming more and more like bbing.com ;D
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if u think he is on more shit than hrt so tell me what does his stack look like?
Pfcourse he is on a lot more than hrt.
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please consider that for ppl here trt means 750mg test weekly
i dont think hes on very much in the today pics, its not that much mass, its just perfect structure and some good mass on that.
but hes owhere near his old self
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i'd have no problem wheeler given his response to anabolics is on a very low mg dose.
i also have no problem looking at those pics speculating hes also on gh.
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hahahahaha oh shit
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All the anti-aging doctors around the world juicing their patients (or what do you think they do?).
I don't have to prove anything, I'm not the one saying steroids ON THEIR OWN AND WHEN TAKEN WITH CARE are bad for the heart. If you are saying that, please YOU point me one, only one case of a death case with steroids as a MAIN CAUSE. Show me one study that proves unequivocally that simply taking steroids makes the heart grow to an alarming extent.
You are stupid.
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You originally said:
So I provided evidence that yes, bodybuilding and strength-training does lead to LVH. Adding AAS will generally compound the myopathy, but it will occur even without AAS.
I wasn't talking about people with genetic predisposition. Only they will develop LVH from any sports.
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You are stupid.
You are negligible.
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:D ;D
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I wasn't talking about people with genetic predisposition. Only they will develop LVH from any sports.
Seems like you keep changing your stance every time someone presents evidence to the contrary.
The studies that I posted found thickened ventricular walls in all athletes/weightlifters studied. n was around 60. I'd say thats pretty strong evidence that LVH will be found in almost all serious athletes and bodybuilders. This is well known in the medical community
If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post it, because it would be the first of its kind that i have seen. I won't hold my breath though
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What I find funny is Everyone is so concerned about the effects of testosterone and gh on the heart ;D I have news for you. Taking ugl gear from these ugl's made in some dirty ass trailor park with contaminated powders and generic gh from china will fuck you up 50 times quicker. And it's not even the fact that these powders are contaminated, too much/too little BA can have quite the negative effect on the human organism.
....Norma, schering, these are multi billion dollar companies made in billion dollar lab settings. Unless you have only used human grade products in your lifetime I would not worry about the effects of anabolics on the heart, really should be the last of your worries.
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You are negligible.
You are a gimmick...You either a pro bodybuilder, an amateur, or some person from the boards too scared to post as their self...Give it up, steroids enlarge the heart...It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out...
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Not if they are clean they don't. Show me a natural at 8ish% bodyfat with a bloated face? Flex in those photo's has a borderline moon face at well under 10%. Point being, he's nowhere near clean...
Sorry man. That's nowhere near "moon face".
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Oh Snap !
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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He looks very good there. Likely on low dosage test and GH.
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Seems like you keep changing your stance every time someone presents evidence to the contrary.
The studies that I posted found thickened ventricular walls in all athletes/weightlifters studied. n was around 60. I'd say thats pretty strong evidence that LVH will be found in almost all serious athletes and bodybuilders. This is well known in the medical community
If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post it, because it would be the first of its kind that i have seen. I won't hold my breath though
What are you trying to prove? That everybody involved in serious sports will develop LVH? So what's your conclusion? Don't exercise anymore and sit in your couch?
What I'm saying (I hope you finally understand) is: 1. the health benefits of exercising outweighs the potential risks; 2. There is no direct relationship between AAS and LVH because (according to your own theory) it occurs in everyone who exercises, independent of sports or drug use.
Clear like that? Or do you want me to make a drawing with it?
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You are a gimmick...You either a pro bodybuilder, an amateur, or some person from the boards too scared to post as their self...Give it up, steroids enlarge the heart...It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out...
What are you doing on a bodybuilding board (last time I checked it still was) if you are so much against steroids?
Aren't there any boards for darts or chess or golf?
Anyway, it doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure out that 99% of health is genetics. Otherwise all top bodybuilders would drop dead at age 35. If your genetics are OK, it's life quality that you need to pursue. I know lots of bodybuilders over 60 in perfect health while cruising for years on 1g and some gh. The pussies here will shout murder, the knowledgable will know that this is reasonable and widespread. Look at Stallone: if you can look like that and stay energetic until age 67... even if he drops dead tomorrow (which I doubt) I will have been worth it... most couch potatoes' lives are finished at age 45 (as Mr. dick goes into mutiny) but they just don't grasp it.
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What I find funny is Everyone is so concerned about the effects of testosterone and gh on the heart ;D I have news for you. Taking ugl gear from these ugl's made in some dirty ass trailor park with contaminated powders and generic gh from china will fuck you up 50 times quicker. And it's not even the fact that these powders are contaminated, too much/too little BA can have quite the negative effect on the human organism.
....Norma, schering, these are multi billion dollar companies made in billion dollar lab settings. Unless you have only used human grade products in your lifetime I would not worry about the effects of anabolics on the heart, really should be the last of your worries.
Thanks man, what a relief those words gave me...
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What are you doing on a bodybuilding board (last time I checked it still was) if you are so much against steroids?
Aren't there any boards for darts or chess or golf?
Anyway, it doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure out that 99% of health is genetics. Otherwise all top bodybuilders would drop dead at age 35. If your genetics are OK, it's life quality that you need to pursue. I know lots of bodybuilders over 60 in perfect health while cruising for years on 1g and some gh. The pussies here will shout murder, the knowledgable will know that this is reasonable and widespread. Look at Stallone: if you can look like that and stay energetic until age 67... even if he drops dead tomorrow (which I doubt) I will have been worth it... most couch potatoes' lives are finished at age 45 (as Mr. dick goes into mutiny) but they just don't grasp it.
I am not againts steroids...You said steroids do not enlarge the heart, which is ignorant...
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"Natural Freak"... ::)
(http://active8canada.com/assets/descriptions/From%20fat%20to%20fit%20Born-Again%20Natural%20Freak%20Flex%20Wheeler%20is%20living%20proof.jpeg)
Where can I buy this and how long until I look like flex after first dose?Can I cycle it with plasmosis or will I get too big?
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What are you trying to prove? That everybody involved in serious sports will develop LVH? So what's your conclusion? Don't exercise anymore and sit in your couch?
What I'm saying (I hope you finally understand) is: 1. the health benefits of exercising outweighs the potential risks; 2. There is no direct relationship between AAS and LVH because (according to your own theory) it occurs in everyone who exercises, independent of sports or drug use.
Clear like that? Or do you want me to make a drawing with it?
1) exercise is beneficial? That's some revolutionary stuff you're claiming ::)
2) LVH is an adaptive change made by the heart in response to increased workload... the degree to which it occurs in a natural athlete is not worrisome
3) AAS/GH enlarge the heart BEYOND what you would see in a natural athlete--and this will usually lead to early cardiac dysfunction
I don't think I could have made that any easier for you to understand
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wheels?
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I want to see the glutes.. common' flex!
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I want to see the glutes.. common' flex!
Still soft with blurry hamstrings.
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1) exercise is beneficial? That's some revolutionary stuff you're claiming ::)
2) LVH is an adaptive change made by the heart in response to increased workload... the degree to which it occurs in a natural athlete is not worrisome
3) AAS/GH enlarge the heart BEYOND what you would see in a natural athlete--and this will usually lead to early cardiac dysfunction
I don't think I could have made that any easier for you to understand
If that were true: as side effects are dose dependent, EVERY SINGLE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES AND NINETIES PRO BODYBUILDER SHOULD BE DEAD BY HEART FAILURE AND 6FT UNDER! Cuz they used GRAMS per week for years, some up till today.
How's that for easy to understand?
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If that were true: as side effects are dose dependent, EVERY SINGLE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES AND NINETIES PRO BODYBUILDER SHOULD BE DEAD BY HEART FAILURE AND 6FT UNDER! Cuz they used GRAMS per week for years, some up till today.
How's that for easy to understand?
Excellent, research-supported rebuttal. You're right, AAS don't lead to heart problems
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:D ;D
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Pec implants :D
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:D ;D