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Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig
Max Planck Institute, Germany 2005
According to the premises of the synthetic theory [neo-darwinian evolution], explaining the origin of the entire world of organisms predominantly by selected mutations, a worldwide revolution in plant breeding research had been expected in the late 1930s, which was reinforced by Nobel laureate Josef H. Muller in 1946 especially for first decades after the Second World War.
However, due to the fact that:
(a) “many programmes failed...to produce anything useful”,
(b) “almost all mutants distinguish themselves by negative selection values”,
(c) “all kinds of mutations are even more frequently lethal and more strongly diminishing vitality and fertility in animals”,
(d) the overall results “have been rather meager in relation to the efforts expended”,
(e) “in spite of an enormous financial expenditure... [mutation breeding] widely proved to be a failure”,
(f) “the objective of practical plant breeding...could not be realized” neither by “macro-mutations” nor by “micro-mutations”,
(g) none of the modifying measures applied could help fulfilling “the ultimate hope of obtaining more of the ‘better’ mutants”,
- the overall result was that these strong anticipations concerning a revolution in plant breeding, accompanied by an intense euphoria especially among geneticists and agronomical scientists after the Second World War, ended up in a worldwide failure and breakdown of mutation breeding as an autonomous branch of breeding research in the 1980s at the latest in most Western countries.
The variations induced are mostly losses-of-function-mutations (often including many alleles with a series of gradually reduced functions) and they are either neutral or slightly disadvantageous for the organisms thus affected, yet in some cases they are useful for the breeder as well as micro-evolution as shown above. Generally, “the great majority of the changes should be harmful in their effects, just as any alterations made blindly in a complicated apparatus are usually detrimental to its proper functioning...” (see Muller, as quoted in the introduction).
Since in all cases of sufficiently extensive mutagenesis experiments (saturation mutagenesis) a large, but well-defined spectrum of mutant phenotypes has been realized (asymptotically approaching the saturation line especially for the micro-quantitative part of variation), the possibilities and limits of mutation breeding are directly defined by the areas and boundaries of this spectrum of mutants of the lines treated within a species.
[link to www.unser-auge.de]
In other words, it has been scientifically demonstrated over and over and over and over again, that the mutation variation potential of a species is extremely limited, and these changes never improve the species beyond its original function.
Scientists who actually do empirical population genetics studies, KNOW that evolution is impossible. It's only the non-empirical, theoretical-imagineering Darwinian Mystics that believe it is not only possible, but MUST have happened because their dirt-worshiping faith is so strong.
Teaching of Evolution = 100% BLUFFING
Evolutionists: accumulated mutations and selection can not produce new types of functional organisms, no matter how much time you allow. You have no mechanism. Get over it.
Science has consistently demonstrated that Evolution is impossible. Evolution continues into the 21st century as nothing more than a philosophy and religion.
I hope this settles this nonsense..........ADAM and other morons. I was once again right. GOD, GOD, GOD created everything. Fucking pricks.
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so we were not monkeys first? :D ;D
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And gm food is????
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so we were not monkeys first? :D ;D
No & No, aliens created us ;)
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No & No, aliens created us ;)
who created them? ;)
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who created them? ;)
Read Erich von Daniken's "factual" books ;D
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Nearly every living creature on the planet has two eyes a mouth a nose an ass hole, heart , digestive system is almost identical. Same touch, eat the same food yet you think we came from something special? Everything is a mutation.
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Nearly every living creature on the planet has two eyes a mouth a nose an ass hole, heart , digestive system is almost identical. Same touch, eat the same food yet you think we came from something special? Everything is a mutation.
Yes we came from someone special, there's a basic design, that's what I see.
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Wake up its not 540bc . Evolve. It doesn't even begin to make sense a special person. Stupid Fucking religions.
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Evolution is impossible but a now non-existent comet is Planet Niburu paying a surprise visit to our solar system ::)
you're losing it.
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Wake up its not 540bc . Evolve. It doesn't even begin to make sense a special person. Stupid Fucking religions.
You said person. I said God. Pseudo-Science garbage. All those years of lies. Now people are moving to ancient aliens when the ancient aliens are the fallen angels. They didn't create us. They've always been liars and manipulators because they're much more intelligent than us. They are fallen angels, aka aliens aka annunaki. Who created them? God.
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I hope there is another planet so all the Fucking morons can go live there and believe in things they've never seen and have no evidence or even make sense that they exist. Oh and follow made up rules and laws.
Wiggs your beliefs are a direct indication of your intelligence and logic. Dull as dishwater, no help for you you have not evolved. Like a child who believes in monsters no matter how many times you tell them they don't exist......
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I hope there is another planet so all the Fucking morons can go live there and believe in things they've never seen and have no evidence or even make sense that they exist. Oh and follow made up rules and laws.
Wiggs your beliefs are a direct indication of your intelligence and logic. Dull as dishwater, no help for you you have not evolved. Like a child who believes in monsters no matter how many times you tell them they don't exist......
lolololol
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Nearly every living creature on the planet has two eyes a mouth a nose an ass hole, heart , digestive system is almost identical. Same touch, eat the same food yet you think we came from something special? Everything is a mutation.
lmao, no shit but that does not mean an elephant can turn into a giraffe. A designer designs things in similar patterns, why wouldn't he?
A monkey has 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs so they have a common ancestor?, great logic,.... NOT :D
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Evolution proves we ll become God.
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They said i could be become anything so i became a god
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"Ye shall be as Gods"- Satan
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I am still trying to understand why any creator would create viruses, diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, spiders, flies and all manner of bad things. Why do women have periods? Crap design if you ask me. Whoever is responsible is a monster.
Wiggs, all religions are complete and total bullshit. No Nibiri, no aliens, no gods, no angels, no devil. Accept the facts. Throw away those foolish books.
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Wiggs, all religions are complete and total bullshit. No Nibiri, no aliens, no gods, no angels, no devil. Accept the facts. Throw away those foolish books.
how do you know this to be all "facts"
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IF God is PERFECT... WHY is ALL of our shit fucked up?
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Wiggs merely accepts articles and books that support his beliefs. Science supports evolution. End of story. Wiggs can't handle the truth!
"Recent developments in mutation scanning permit the identification of novel alleles of target genes within both germplasm collections and mutagenized populations, allowing significant progress in functional genomics within model species and in the assessment of candidate genes for crop improvement. The Cel1/Li-Cor-based TILLING platform is widely applicable, but a number of alternative technologies have also been developed, including agarose gel separation of cleavage products and high-resolution melting of heteroduplex DNA molecules. However, DNA sequencing costs continue to fall while throughput increases, and it seems likely that this more direct approach to mutation discovery will eventually replace other methods. A major obstacle in many crop species is the lack of complete genome sequence information, which slows the development of suitable TILLING targets. However, advances in sequencing technology are also likely to relieve this bottleneck within the relatively near future, as sequencing even very complex crop genomes such as wheat becomes practicable.
Mutagenized populations can be created at relatively low cost, although diploid species that are intolerant of high mutation frequencies require much larger populations for full coverage. Conversely, highly-mutagenized lines of polyploid species may require significant backcrossing to remove extraneous mutations before they can be assessed for phenotypes or used in plant breeding. Importantly, the use of such novel alleles in crops will not be impeded by the tough regulatory regimes that cover GM crops; this alone should assure the rapid deployment of this technology in plant breeding."
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http://news.yahoo.com/large-explosion-rocks-beirut-unknown-number-casualties-080145816.html
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A monkey has 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs so they have a common ancestor?, great logic,.... NOT :D
Um that actually IS great logic. We shared a common ancestor about 7, 000, 000 years ago which is why we're so similar. We share 98% of DNA with chimps. Hell, you could transfuse a chimps blood into your own body and be fine
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Wiggs now qualifies for a thread dump.
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IF God is PERFECT... WHY is ALL of our shit fucked up?
he is who we all aspire to be...
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Why are there multiple major religions then? There are millions/billions of people who are going to be fucked upon death :-X
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Perfect to me, means ZERO mistakes. So MANY things are WRONG on this planet alone. HORRIBLE FUCK UPS. HOW could a PERFECT being like God, fuck up so MUCH?
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Perfect to me, means ZERO mistakes. So MANY things are WRONG on this planet alone. HORRIBLE FUCK UPS. HOW could a PERFECT being like God, fuck up so MUCH?
no, perfect means almighty and eternal. Being able to create life itself.
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Perfect to me, means ZERO mistakes. So MANY things are WRONG on this planet alone. HORRIBLE FUCK UPS. HOW could a PERFECT being like God, fuck up so MUCH?
he doesnt, some -a lot- of us do. But he isnt us, and we arent him. But the best in every single of us will lead to...Him. He is in all of us cause we all have the desire to be eternal, almighty and to do good. And we are Him cause the last of us, will become Him.
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Perfection is a state of flawlessness.
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Perfection is a state of flawlessness.
what is perfect survives forever. What is imperfect...disapear.
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There are Roundup resistant weeds, man. It proves that we evolve and adapt.
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There are Roundup resistant weeds, man. It proves that we evolve and adapt.
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The way the universe and Earth operates is simply amazing. There are far too many questions that we will never be able to answer.
Our answer will be when we die. Will it be light? Or will it be eternal darkness?.................
Or...............will our souls possibly be reborn into another?
Nobody on this earth can answer that.
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The way the universe and Earth operates is simply amazing. There are far too many questions that we will never be able to answer.
Our answer will be when we die. Will it be light? Or will it be eternal darkness?.................
Or...............will our souls possibly be reborn into another?
Nobody on this earth can answer that.
Sleep is death without the responsibility. The only people that know what to expect are the dead and they're not talking.
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who created them? ;)
Other aliens, OMG. ;)
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Sleep is death without the responsibility. The only people that know what to expect are the dead and they're not talking.
What if ghosts are an option? Lost souls could be a possibility.
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I have learned one thing in this life... to believe that ANY thing is possible. So with that, I will continue to keep an open mind... even if a lot of things to not make sense to me...
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I have learned one thing in this life... to believe that ANY thing is possible. So with that, I will continue to keep an open mind... even if a lot of things to not make sense to me...
"Whatever happened to playing a hunch? The element of surprise, random acts of unpredictability? If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."
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I hope there is another planet so all the Fucking morons can go live there and believe in things they've never seen and have no evidence or even make sense that they exist. Oh and follow made up rules and laws.
Wiggs your beliefs are a direct indication of your intelligence and logic. Dull as dishwater, no help for you you have not evolved. Like a child who believes in monsters no matter how many times you tell them they don't exist......
You sound angry!
Where did you get your phd asshat?
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I understand now that Wiggs doesn't really believe the bullshit theories he posts about. He just lights a flame at the beginning of a thread and watches everyone fall for it.
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Falcon will straighten this out tomorrow.
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Jesus was a cult leader with gullible followers called "disciples". Somehow this cult grew into a massive "religion" called christianity.
Same goes for that cult leader mohammed and "islam"
And l ron hubbard with "scientology"
and Joseph Smith, Jr with "moronism" i mean mormonism
etc
what about judaism; someone came from the sky...
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ANY thing is possible. I think.
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I understand now that Wiggs doesn't really believe the bullshit theories he posts about. He just lights a flame at the beginning of a thread and watches everyone fall for it.
How about Option C: Both A and B are true.
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http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/11/quantum-physics-proves-that-there-is-an-afterlife-claims-scientist.html
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Oh boy... not this bullshit again.
First of all, it's important to note Dr. Lönnig - who Ben Stein dragged out of obscurity to misrepresent his research his research - didn't disprove evolution; he simply claims not to have observed any beneficial mutations. The fact that Lönnig is tremendously biased is well known and sufficient, in itself, to cast a shadow on his research.
So let's recap: someone with a bias (he assumes intelligent design to be the "default" starting position for scientific inquiry, and assumes that it's proven unless disproven) does some "research" and writes a shitty, biased paper that peer-review proceeds to tear to shreds.
Now, some (like Wiggs) may believe this guy's "research" as a disproof of evolution. Alas, actual evidence trumps unsubstantiated beliefs: The facts are that, in addition to a rich fossil record, we have evidence of evolution and natural selection. Even if you forget the fossil record. Look at drug-resistant tuberculosis or HIV strains. Look at people who breed plants which have used mutation breeding techniques for decades.
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/11/quantum-physics-proves-that-there-is-an-afterlife-claims-scientist.html
I don't think that "prove" means what the author of this article thinks it means. It's a theory, but then again, the bar for what qualifies as a theory is pretty low. All you need for a theory (from a scientific standpoint) is to explain some observation and make testable predictions and *boom* you've got a theory.
Dr. Lanza is certainly a brilliant biologist, but I find biocentrism to be a lot of feel-good mumbo jumbo. His understanding of quantum mechanics also seems... let's be polite and just say imperfect instead of tenuous.