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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: embrance on December 31, 2013, 03:51:47 AM
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I see so much pharma grade gear on many sites and is so f*cking costly!
Here in Greece i can take most stuff like testo and deca cheap from pharmacies.YEt on the net they sell it like 10fold!
I get deca for 10,and the average price of pharma deca is 110USD+
question:
where do they get sooooo many amps?are most of them fakes?
why do they charge top dollars for it?
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I like when they come in AMPS it gives me a better sense of security. Most the place sell them at bulk prices so yeah one amp might be 10 but if you order 100 amps its 7 or less depending on the gear
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They charge so much because they can. Plain and simple. If fools will pay 110 for deca, the cockroaches will charge that much. They are scum all of them. Drug dealers are all scum. I wish i could just go to a pharmacy and buy what i want but alas my wonderful government in the Socialist States of America protects me from such damaging life threatening drugs as deca. ::)
BTW a lot of online dealers have decent prices. I can get deca amps for around 8 bucks like shrek said. Multi dose from a reputable ugl is the best bet.
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They charge so much because they can. Plain and simple. If fools will pay 110 for deca, the cockroaches will charge that much. They are scum all of them. Drug dealers are all scum. I wish i could just go to a pharmacy and buy what i want but alas my wonderful government in the Socialist States of America protects me from such damaging life threatening drugs as deca. ::)
BTW a lot of online dealers have decent prices. I can get deca amps for around 8 bucks like shrek said. Multi dose from a reputable ugl is the best bet.
hey smartguy.. we're the ones taking the risk. you're a consumer, we're the supplier. we take the risk, not you. at worst, you risk money.. at worst, we risk imprisonment.
our 'out of pocket' runs in the thousands... so if we get burned, we're out THOUSANDS. if you get burned, you're a few hundred bucks.
you complain about socialist America, yet you don't have any understanding or respect for Capitalism or supply & demand.
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hey smartguy.. we're the ones taking the risk. you're a consumer, we're the supplier. we take the risk, not you. at worst, you risk money.. at worst, we risk imprisonment.
our 'out of pocket' runs in the thousands... so if we get burned, we're out THOUSANDS. if you get burned, you're a few hundred bucks.
you complain about socialist America, yet you don't have any understanding or respect for Capitalism or supply & demand.
Ok, whatever you need to do to help you sleep at night. I had a long post in my head i wanted to write, but nothing i say will change what you think. Drug dealing is a crime. Buying drugs without a prescription is a crime. Great, we're both criminals. Have a nice new year. :D
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Ok, whatever you need to do to help you sleep at night. I had a long post in my head i wanted to write, but nothing i say will change what you think. Drug dealing is a crime. Buying drugs without a prescription is a crime. Great, we're both criminals. Have a nice new year. :D
oh, it's a moral thing now? you think I need to 'rationalize' what I do? to who? myself? you? you don't matter.
save your bullshit 'morals' talk for your kids, because we're all grown men here and nobody gives a fuck about you.
so go ahead and write your 'long post'. entertain us with your hollier-than-thou nonsense... hell, bring your laptop to church and write it from there if it makes you feel better.
'sleep at night'.. what a clown.
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Relax dude. I don't care what you do to make money. You are getting way too worked up about a comment on a forum from someone you don't know and will never meet. I didn't mean to get you so riled up, I just shared my opinion. No need for personal attacks. You provide a service and you charge money for it. Fine. No need to protest so much.
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hey smartguy.. we're the ones taking the risk. you're a consumer, we're the supplier. we take the risk, not you. at worst, you risk money.. at worst, we risk imprisonment.
our 'out of pocket' runs in the thousands... so if we get burned, we're out THOUSANDS. if you get burned, you're a few hundred bucks.
you complain about socialist America, yet you don't have any understanding or respect for Capitalism or supply & demand.
You a good point here ESF.
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I see so much pharma grade gear on many sites and is so f*cking costly!
Here in Greece i can take most stuff like testo and deca cheap from pharmacies.YEt on the net they sell it like 10fold!
I get deca for 10,and the average price of pharma deca is 110USD+
question:
where do they get sooooo many amps?are most of them fakes?
why do they charge top dollars for it?
110us for an amp of deca ;D
Who would pay that much?
I've seen the norma hellas from greece for about 17us in canada but never that high.
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Try a box of increlex for a change...$1000 ::)
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I see so much pharma grade gear on many sites and is so f*cking costly!
Here in Greece i can take most stuff like testo and deca cheap from pharmacies.YEt on the net they sell it like 10fold!
I get deca for 10,and the average price of pharma deca is 110USD+
question:
where do they get sooooo many amps?are most of them fakes?
why do they charge top dollars for it?
well isnt this a blueprint for some business.
are you a communist?lol
been to prison yet?thats why dalers want their share.the associated risk.
the motive is plain and simple money.
besides, ugl deca sells at 100 or so euros on most online ugl or dealer sites, and that 10ml vials.
be happy to live in country with cheap access to legit pharma stuff,whats there to complian,i dont get it.
that said deca is one fucking shit ped
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most the locals charge $85 for deca.. I undercut them by about $30... even then I make a profit. $100 is retarded.. even tren and mast don't cost that.
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110us for an amp of deca ;D
Who would pay that much?
I've seen the norma hellas from greece for about 17us in canada but never that high.
I think he means for 10ml multi-dose.
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well isnt this a blueprint for some business.
are you a communist?lol
been to prison yet?thats why dalers want their share.the associated risk.
the motive is plain and simple money.
besides, ugl deca sells at 100 or so euros on most online ugl or dealer sites, and that 10ml vials.
be happy to live in country with cheap access to legit pharma stuff,whats there to complian,i dont get it.
that said deca is one fucking shit ped
100$ usd for a 10ml vial of deca is ridiculous. You can find a top notch UGL that sells 10ml multi-dose vials for 40-50$ even cheaper if you buy in bulk, same for euro human grade if you buy hundreds of amps you can pay as low as 3$ a amp for euro/indian. Human grade Deca. I was getting the Alpha-Pharma nandrolone 250mg amps for 3$ and they were amazing.
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I think he means for 10ml multi-dose.
Would make more sense but he's saying he pays $10 for deca and sees it for 10x that amount online.
What company sells real pharmacy/human grade deca in 10ml vials?
$100 bucks for that doesn't seem far fetched.
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Would make more sense but he's saying he pays $10 for deca and sees it for 10x that amount online.
What company sells real pharmacy/human grade deca in 10ml vials?
$100 bucks for that doesn't seem far fetched.
the op post doesn't make any sense ???
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Would make more sense but he's saying he pays $10 for deca and sees it for 10x that amount online.
What company sells real pharmacy/human grade deca in 10ml vials?
$100 bucks for that doesn't seem far fetched.
well seeing amps of overseas human grade gear for 10$ makes sense,and their are some expensive UGL's overseas who charge close to 100$ for 10ml multi-dose vials. I remember British Dragon used to charge around 100$ for a 10ml vial of deca, same with eurochem.Some of The best is the Alpha-Pharma Deca amps and if you buy it in bulk you can find it for 3-4$ a amp in bulk. Normas used to be popular but they get counterfeited.
They might have Deca redijects down in mexico. I have only seen the sustanon redijects not sure they have deca redijects. I really like the sustanon redijects.I think NPP is just as good if not better if made with high grade raws actually best to use both the decanoate and the NPP in the same cycle.
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well isnt this a blueprint for some business.
are you a communist?lol
been to prison yet?thats why dalers want their share.the associated risk.
the motive is plain and simple money.
besides, ugl deca sells at 100 or so euros on most online ugl or dealer sites, and that 10ml vials.
be happy to live in country with cheap access to legit pharma stuff,whats there to complian,i dont get it.
that said deca is one fucking shit ped
Deca is a little overrated but not a shit PED what do you think about NPP? Alot of people either love deca or hate deca, some hate how long it takes to peak on Nandrolone decanoate that is why alot of people have started using NPP lately. Back in 2004 nobody knew what the fuck NPP was it was just a new deca ester british dragon came out with, now it seems people seem to love NPP. NPP raw material is alot cheaper then nandrolone decanoate but the quality can be hit and miss so def make sure you trust your raw material source before you
invest alot of money in NPP raw material. Deca is a bit overrated.
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I LOVE nandrolone.
Why so down on nandrolone Gal? It's literally my favorite, minus the slight water retention, but even that isn't terrible for me.
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I LOVE nandrolone.
Why so down on nandrolone Gal? It's literally my favorite, minus the slight water retention, but even that isn't terrible for me.
I bet he hates the water retention or how long it takes to kick in, some people hate how long it stays in your fatty tissue, if you take a drug test for steroids nandrolone can sit in your fatty tissue for 8 months sometimes longer depending on the person. Anyway that is mu guess lets see what Galeniko says when he reads this. Maybe he has not had any real good nandrolone. It seems like Galeniko would at least like NPP.
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I bet he hates the water retention or how long it takes to kick in, some people hate how long it stays in your fatty tissue, if you take a drug test for steroids nandrolone can sit in your fatty tissue for 8 months sometimes longer depending on the person. Anyway that is mu guess lets see what Galeniko says when he reads this. Maybe he has not had any real good nandrolone. It seems like Galeniko would at least like NPP.
When you train natty for 7 long years, you don't get impatient waiting for your decanoate ester to kick in; you're just happy to be on gear :D Never been a complaint of mine, EVER.
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Deca is a little overrated but not a shit PED what do you think about NPP? Alot of people either love deca or hate deca, some hate how long it takes to peak on Nandrolone decanoate that is why alot of people have started using NPP lately. Back in 2004 nobody knew what the fuck NPP was it was just a new deca ester british dragon came out with, now it seems people seem to love NPP. NPP raw material is alot cheaper then nandrolone decanoate but the quality can be hit and miss so def make sure you trust your raw material source before you
invest alot of money in NPP raw material. Deca is a bit overrated.
The prices per vial of npp vs deca have been pretty similar from what I've seen. Maybe 10-15 bucks less for npp but you gotta use double the mls since you get the npp in 100-150md per ml vs. 250-300 mg ml of deca.
Deca is more cost effective.
I like both...used deca first and bloated to shit but my diet sucked. Also very capable of bloating on npp just the same though.
When you train natty for 7 long years, you don't get impatient waiting for your decanoate ester to kick in; you're just happy to be on gear :D Never been a complaint of mine, EVER.
When you waste 10 years training naturally there are no shit peds.
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The prices per vial of npp vs deca have been pretty similar from what I've seen. Maybe 10-15 bucks less for npp but you gotta use double the mls since you get the npp in 100-150md per ml vs. 250-300 mg ml of deca.
Deca is more cost effective.
I like both...used deca first and bloated to shit but my diet sucked. Also very capable of bloating on npp just the same though.
When you waste 10 years training naturally there are no shit peds.
LOL true on both parts!!
Yeah deca is more cost effective. So long as my diet is clean the bloat isnr anything more than test bloat. But holy shit does deca make everything round and "pop" on me. Intramuscular water retention is insane.
Yeah there's no such thing as shit PEDs LOL!! Glad u can relate to me here bro :D
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LOL true on both parts!!
Yeah deca is more cost effective. So long as my diet is clean the bloat isnr anything more than test bloat. But holy shit does deca make everything round and "pop" on me. Intramuscular water retention is insane.
Yeah there's no such thing as shit PEDs LOL!! Glad u can relate to me here bro :D
I love DECA. More than anything else.
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NPP raw and deca raw are the exact same price.
retail, you pay more per mg of NPP though.
10ml 100mg/ml npp runs $50, 10ml 200mg/ml deca runs $50 (I dunno what other ugl's charge)
now, if you buy more than 1... like 3-5+, the price per bottle drops, obviously.. but if a guy is buying NPP, he'll usuaully buy more than 1 (usually 4+ at least), whereas they'll usually only pick up 2-3 deca at a time.
the profit on NPP is higher (much higher) than deca.
market determines the prices, remember. we'll charge whatever people are willing to pay.
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NPP raw and deca raw are the exact same price.
retail, you pay more per mg of NPP though.
10ml 100mg/ml npp runs $50, 10ml 200mg/ml deca runs $50 (I dunno what other ugl's charge)
now, if you buy more than 1... like 3-5+, the price per bottle drops, obviously.. but if a guy is buying NPP, he'll usuaully buy more than 1 (usually 4+ at least), whereas they'll usually only pick up 2-3 deca at a time.
the profit on NPP is higher (much higher) than deca.
market determines the prices, remember. we'll charge whatever people are willing to pay.
The kilo prices I have seen show NPP cheaper then nandrolone decanoate.
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The prices per vial of npp vs deca have been pretty similar from what I've seen. Maybe 10-15 bucks less for npp but you gotta use double the mls since you get the npp in 100-150md per ml vs. 250-300 mg ml of deca.
Deca is more cost effective.
I like both...used deca first and bloated to shit but my diet sucked. Also very capable of bloating on npp just the same though.
When you waste 10 years training naturally there are no shit peds.
def true! NPP a user can shoot daily but most everybody just shoots nandrolone decanoate every week. it is the same with Test prop vs. Test E, nobody shoots Test E daily but many users shoot test prop daily.In the end it all does even out. I tend to like drugs with shorter acting esters or I also like to use a long acting and the short acting.
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the deca,why i dislike it:
the water retention, worse than test.is frustrating to eat clean yet still get random cankles etc.
its pricey, weak, and often faked.
for some reason, it shuts down the penis very badly, and the recovery of this issue takes forever after going off, maybe bc it stay so long in the body,i dont know.
and the prolactine,progesterone issues.
effective dosage, to feel something, will be much more than test, ie, price,sides,everything.
and yes, the kick in time, hell test e takes long enough, dea takes ofrever.
yes relatively when diet is clean will be lean on everything, but things like deca will simply put a film of water under the skin no matter what.
never tried npp.
that said, its ok for newcomer first cycle and women.to pack on little bit mass
i find the the most valueable thing about peds is the "bang" in power, fullness, pumps,recovery,all this while dieting.deca is pretty much the worst choice for this.
so,overall, the cosmetic issues are too much of a downside.
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The kilo prices I have seen show NPP cheaper then nandrolone decanoate.
The average price from what I have seen is 300 for 100 grams or 1800 for the kilo for both but different sources different prices, who knows :-\
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the deca,why i dislike it:
the water retention, worse than test.is frustrating to eat clean yet still get random cankles etc.
its pricey, weak, and often faked.
for some reason, it shuts down the penis very badly, and the recovery of this issue takes forever after going off, maybe bc it stay so long in the body,i dont know.
and the prolactine,progesterone issues.
effective dosage, to feel something, will be much more than test, ie, price,sides,everything.
and yes, the kick in time, hell test e takes long enough, dea takes ofrever.
yes relatively when diet is clean will be lean on everything, but things like deca will simply put a film of water under the skin no matter what.
never tried npp.
that said, its ok for newcomer first cycle and women.to pack on little bit mass
i find the the most valueable thing about peds is the "bang" in power, fullness, pumps,recovery,all this while dieting.deca is pretty much the worst choice for this.
so,overall, the cosmetic issues are too much of a downside.
Man, funny cuz my experience is polar opposite compared to yours, except I agree there's a bit of water retention, but no more than if I run the same mgs for test.
Deca fills out my muscles like nothing else. The roundness an fullness, nothing comes close
Never had a single dick issue ever. But I don't run more than 300mgs a week. Never had issues recovering between cycles either as long as I use my HCg.
And my joints: my body feels like I'm 15 yo again. Zero pain anywhere. I forget about old injuries because deca completely masks them.
Nastier pumps than test alone, best strength gains of my life, ....can't say enough good stuff about it.
I am fortune that I know exactly how my gear is made though so I don't have Ro worry about fake gear. But I know it's deca vs something else because in a weeks time my joints feel ultra lubricated and pain free. No other drug does this too me
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yeah chiro, some respond better to deca than to test.
the only roundness i get from it is in the face ;D :-X
at the beginning it gave me good gains, later on, didnt feel anything from it nomore.
and well i ran more like 300 eod ;D
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First time I went to Egypt back in 2004 when I was 21, I was seeing schering primo $3.80 for a box. Two amps to a box.
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Also, in my opinion primo is much better than deca for me. Clean, no water retention, gives fullness, etc..
the last three cycles - and the next ones in the future - will be 250mg Test weekly, 600mg Primo weekly.
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Two of the best brands out there back when I had access to them.
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Back in 2005, I could get everything in this entire pic for under $1400. Straight from a Bindley Western affiliate.
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The average price from what I have seen is 300 for 100 grams or 1800 for the kilo for both but different sources different prices, who knows :-\
The NPP has definately gone up the last year. I remember back in 2004 when british Dragon started making NPP that was the first company I ever saw make NPP and then powder sources started selling it in kilos and smaller UGL's started making NPP but it was way cheap back in the day. It was cheap just up to about a year-two years ago. NPP has now become a really popular product. The Kilo price has gone up drastically the last few years but their are still a few chem wharehouses that sell it cheaper then nandrolone decanoate. They are def getting very equal in price.
I would say since NPP can be used daily and in most cases is it ends up costing alot more then if a user were to just go with nandrolone decanoate, not the case a few years ago but due to popularity NPP is now getting spendy, same goes for masteron prop! masteron prop kilos used to be alot cheaper. I hate that they brang out masteron enanthate. masteron enanthate is very spendy per kilo and their is just no point in masteron enanthate-IMO. NPP is a hot drug now, back when it came out in the mid 2000's nobody wanted NPP.
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The average price from what I have seen is 300 for 100 grams or 1800 for the kilo for both but different sources different prices, who knows :-\
holy fuck at 300 per 100g and 1800 for a kg!!!
that's brutal... that's a helluva markup. unless it's coming out of Austria.
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The NPP has definately gone up the last year. I remember back in 2004 when british Dragon started making NPP that was the first company I ever saw make NPP and then powder sources started selling it in kilos and smaller UGL's started making NPP but it was way cheap back in the day. It was cheap just up to about a year-two years ago. NPP has now become a really popular product. The Kilo price has gone up drastically the last few years but their are still a few chem wharehouses that sell it cheaper then nandrolone decanoate. They are def getting very equal in price.
I would say since NPP can be used daily and in most cases is it ends up costing alot more then if a user were to just go with nandrolone decanoate, not the case a few years ago but due to popularity NPP is now getting spendy, same goes for masteron prop! masteron prop kilos used to be alot cheaper. I hate that they brang out masteron enanthate. masteron enanthate is very spendy per kilo and their is just no point in masteron enanthate-IMO. NPP is a hot drug now, back when it came out in the mid 2000's nobody wanted NPP.
without giving out exact prices...
npp, deca, eq, dbol, drol and winstrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
masteron p, mast e, tren a, tren e, anavar, proviron, and superdrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
legit primo a and e are about 15x what npp, deca, ect are per gram.
halotestin and methyltrienolone are about 25x what npp, deca, ect are per gram. sucks for halo, but it's great for MT since you dose in mcg's. lol
now, obviously the prices can get cheaper and they'll vary if you're buying in multiple kg's, or if the chem supplier is sitting on a shitload of a particular product. most won't sit on a particular batch for longer than a certain period of time.. be it 3 months, 6, or 12 months, then they'll get it out at a discount.
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without giving out exact prices...
npp, deca, eq, dbol, drol and winstrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
masteron p, mast e, tren a, tren e, anavar, proviron, and superdrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
legit primo a and e are about 15x what npp, deca, ect are per gram.
halotestin and methyltrienolone are about 25x what npp, deca, ect are per gram. sucks for halo, but it's great for MT since you dose in mcg's. lol
now, obviously the prices can get cheaper and they'll vary if you're buying in multiple kg's, or if the chem supplier is sitting on a shitload of a particular product. most won't sit on a particular batch for longer than a certain period of time.. be it 3 months, 6, or 12 months, then they'll get it out at a discount.
I remember back in 2004 when the original British Dragon released NPP and it was very cheap compared to their Nandrolone Decanoate but nobody really bought NPP back then, around the same time china chem wharehouses had reps on private boards with lists and a Kilo of NPP was way cheaper then a Kilo of Nandrolone Decanoate. It seems NPP has gotten way more popular in the last few years and that is when the prices went up per Kilo. Alot of good UGL's sold 10ml vials of NPP for as low as 25$ for 10ml and nandrolone decanoate would be at least double that. It has been awhile since I have seen a chinese chem list and the prices on NPP have def gone up. I remember back in 2004 nobody could sell much NPP because nobody really knew what it was.
People understood it was similar to deca but the propionate pasrt of NPP scared customers because everybody assumes anything with the word propionate in it hurts really bad. If I use nandrolone I like to use the nandrolone decanoate 300mg a week and 100mg of NPP EOD. It is not a high dose at all and works great but all I can get is overseas human grade deca. I like deca but I do have to use on-cycle meds to keep my libido up and keep estrogen under control. I usually just stick to Test ester stacks and HGH but I will use nandrolone every other cycle. I really try to keep my cycles easy these days.
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Back in 2005, I could get everything in this entire pic for under $1400. Straight from a Bindley Western affiliate.
This is beutiful! I have not seen that Deca in years! I am not even sure they still make it! You can't beat USA Human grade HGH and AAS. around the same era I had a in with a guy who worked at watsons corona, california facility and every once in awhile I could get all their drugs all their AAS in the boxes and sealed bottles and even all their generic oxycontin tabs as well as their norcos and other meds. It was a great hook-up but then the guy just couldn't get any access to it anymore. I can get ins on overseas companys but not USA companys like back in the day. It was def something to remember.
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Bindley Western was a large distribution center for Walgreens, Eckerds, and CVS pharmacies of the Atlanta metro area. You would be surprised at how much shit just walked out of their back door unaccounted for back then. Two Atlanta pros directly owe me their pro cards because of this hook up. Buying their shit from Curly Top wouldn't getting them anywhere but broke and in the kitchen with a DIY abscess draining kit.
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without giving out exact prices...
npp, deca, eq, dbol, drol and winstrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
masteron p, mast e, tren a, tren e, anavar, proviron, and superdrol should all be the exact same price per gram.
legit primo a and e are about 15x what npp, deca, ect are per gram.
halotestin and methyltrienolone are about 25x what npp, deca, ect are per gram. sucks for halo, but it's great for MT since you dose in mcg's. lol
now, obviously the prices can get cheaper and they'll vary if you're buying in multiple kg's, or if the chem supplier is sitting on a shitload of a particular product. most won't sit on a particular batch for longer than a certain period of time.. be it 3 months, 6, or 12 months, then they'll get it out at a discount.
exact,this is how it goes.
tren and mast very expensive compared to test.
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i looooove npp.
now with deca..but i wish someone made cheap npp that actually IS npp.150mg or 200mgs would be a wonder!had ordered some in powder form.bunk as shit.
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holy fuck at 300 per 100g and 1800 for a kg!!!
that's brutal... that's a helluva markup. unless it's coming out of Austria.
X2.
Why Austria?
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holy fuck at 300 per 100g and 1800 for a kg!!!
that's brutal... that's a helluva markup. unless it's coming out of Austria.
That is the standard retail price, from 5 different sources.
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That is the standard retail price, from 5 different sources.
that's still brutal.. about 30% over what I pay, and I'm not a big mover and my guy isn't all that exclusive.
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that's still brutal.. about 30% over what I pay, and I'm not a big mover and my guy isn't all that exclusive.
I have seen cheaper but percentages will be lower with mass specs, It is not really something I am familiar with but really you are claiming 300 dollars is expensive for 100 grams of NPP but that is 100 bottles worth of juice for 300 bucks, 3 dollars a bottle, YA WHAT A BIG RIP OFF ;D
SO BRUTAL :D
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I have seen cheaper but percentages will be lower with mass specs, It is not really something I am familiar with but really you are claiming 300 dollars is expensive for 100 grams of NPP but that is 100 bottles worth of juice for 300 bucks, 3 dollars a bottle, YA WHAT A BIG RIP OFF ;D
well, 300 just for the powder.. 50 for shiping.. plus the 10ml vials, plus the bottle top filter, plus the sterile 250-500ml glass media bottles, plus the vacume pump (if you dont' already have one), plus a 33mm septa top for the media bottle, plus the BA, BB, and oil.... plus the shipping for all that shit.
but 200/100g is more like it... 250 with shipping, and total cost should be around 2.50/bottle if you buy everything in bulk (or 'semi-bulk').
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well, 300 just for the powder.. 50 for shiping.. plus the 10ml vials, plus the bottle top filter, plus the sterile 250-500ml glass media bottles, plus the vacume pump (if you dont' already have one), plus a 33mm septa top for the media bottle, plus the BA, BB, and oil.... plus the shipping for all that shit.
but 200/100g is more like it... 250 with shipping, and total cost should be around 2.50/bottle if you buy everything in bulk (or 'semi-bulk').
HAHA :D
Just fucking with you big guy ;)
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fell in love with npp, never used deca.. npp is incredible and no sides for me.
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In socialist Europe prices for UGL are quite reasonable. Legit brands for e40 per 10 ml vial. So until I grow an abscess that lands me on youtube I'll stick to UGL.