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Is there such a thing? A friend of mine is constantly on clen and/or ECA, amphetamine etc..
Even considers that bug spray shit, forgot the name. It's been like over a year. He's pretty cut but when does it end?
Body dysmorphia of Peace?
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maybe he's trying to give you a hint?
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What many here consider a "permabulker" is, to my mind, simply a powerful-looking physique (no homo). The low, low bodyfat obsession some of you have is weird. Unless juiced to the rafters, it's next to impossible to be of considerable strength when struttin' such leanness.
So you're diced. Being a man who regularly trains with weights, yet weighing a weak-ass 180 pounds, is lame.
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What many here consider a "permabulker" is, to my mind, simply a powerful-looking physique (no homo). The low, low bodyfat obsession some of you have is weird. Unless juiced to the rafters, it's next to impossible to be of considerable strength when struttin' such leanness.
So you're diced. Being a man who regularly trains with weights, yet weighing a weak-ass 180 pounds, is lame.
Yea good point. 180 isn't bad, depends what you goals are. But to be constant sub 12% doesn't make sense unless you make money out of it. Especially if you can't maintain it without drugs.
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This is called being a tweaker.
Check your storage area and look for anything like old VCRs your friend may appreciate. It should keep his busy hands occupied. Jibbed out, idle hands are the devil's play thing.
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dj181 is a strong believer in this.
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Flexington of peace?
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hahah i was a permacutter dieting constantly never acheiving thin skin afro-american leans
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Flexington of peace?
Hell no. He's healthy guy with epic natural leans.
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Perma cutters are usually people who have no self esteem or game without abs, and therefore have to have both to get laid, otherwise their ego falls apart.
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What many here consider a "permabulker" is, to my mind, simply a powerful-looking physique (no homo). The low, low bodyfat obsession some of you have is weird. Unless juiced to the rafters, it's next to impossible to be of considerable strength when struttin' such leanness.
So you're diced. Being a man who regularly trains with weights, yet weighing a weak-ass 180 pounds, is lame.
Agreed. I train to get stronger and bigger and maintain average bodyfat while still enjoying life eg taking kids to kfc occoasionally or enjoying the odd bottle of getting pissed and eating pizza without worrying how it will effect physique.
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Being lean is healthy. Carrying bulk to look good in a tee shirt isn't.
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Galeniko and crew.
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Being lean is healthy. Carrying bulk to look good in a tee shirt isn't.
I think theyre talking about being super lean... like > 8% year round. People who live on fat burners and never make progress because theyre always eating 1000/day and doing an hour of cardio trying to be lean.
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Shock, how many lifters in the gym do you know who are below 8% body fat? I can't think of one. People are delusional about body fat levels too.
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Shock, how many lifters in the gym do you know who are below 8% body fat? I can't think of one. People are delusional about body fat levels too.
yeah, about one. But howw many people do ypu hear of that are dieting year round without getting anywhere?
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Shock, the gym is full of big guys who are carrying a lot of fat. Ripped in shape guys are very hard to find.
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Shock, the gym is full of big guys who are carrying a lot of fat. Ripped in shape guys are very hard to find.
Very true, I don't see many guys who are bigger than me AND who are in the 10% or less zone.
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How about ripped with shredded lats?
Bob, were you the first kid on your block with shredded glutes and shredded lats?
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Most college-age males are hovering around 20 percent bodyfat.
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My gym is full of the 20% BF guys. These fellas however think that they look good. That is where the real problem lies. Don't understand the point of being a big guy who exercises 1+ hr everyday, while having a fat roll even from the back.
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Guys like this it can go two ways...He either takes control over every aspect of his life with no one but himself filling in the details or his body is the only thing in his life he thinks he has control of. There's probably no grey areas with this type of guy...
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At 58 years of age,I`d rather have abs than a gut....actually at 20 years of age I`d rather have abs than a gut also........that`s why I had them at 20,and that`s why I still have them at 58.
You can`t flex fat!
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At 58 years of age,I`d rather have abs than a gut....actually at 20 years of age I`d rather have abs than a gut also........that`s why I had them at 20,and that`s why I still have them at 58.
You can`t flex fat!
You don't want to get too big anyways, the rickets have ruined you.
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You don't want to get too big anyways, the rickets have ruined you.
My excuse for many years now for remaining a tiny tit yes.
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Natural leans are healthy and admirable.
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Shock, how many lifters in the gym do you know who are below 8% body fat? I can't think of one. People are delusional about body fat levels too.
we have many who walk around 6% all year.
yes, true 6%.really shredded.
it really isnt soooo hard when on something all year.
infact all serious trainers in the gym are lean or shredded all year.even the competitors, they dont go higher than something like 10lbs over contest weight,few go up 20,but thats it.
the fatties are the ones with no idea what they do or the newcomers who lie to themselves,they dont want embarass themselves so they add bit safety fat as "size" ;D
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btw lol that guy whos on all those fatburners all year is playing with fire.
if he dropped them, hed find out hed be about just as lean as long diet is more or less same, without the short and long term risks of fatburners.
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btw lol that guy whos on all those fatburners all year is playing with fire.
if he dropped them, hed find out hed be about just as lean as long diet is more or less same, without the short and long term risks of fatburners.
I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.
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I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.
yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.
well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.
and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.
didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.
and t3, well, if one takes too much,the neck is gonna terribly hurt.also feels very weird, gotta be on shitton of steroids or be very flat all the time.
and they make a difference of maybe 2-300 cals a day.not sure if thats worth it.
ok efedrina boost energy and shuts down apatite.this is very valueable
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yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.
well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.
and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.
didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.
and t3, well, if one takes too much,the neck is gonna terribly hurt.also feels very weird, gotta be on shitton of steroids or be very flat all the time.
and they make a difference of maybe 2-300 cals a day.not sure if thats worth it.
ok efedrina boost energy and shuts down apatite.this is very valueable
That's what I liked the most. I can fast with no stims. But fasting then taking ephedrine when you hit the wall makes you superman. But everything has it's price.
I HATED heart palpitations so I stopped for a couple years. Used it a bit when I was off everything because it's the poor man's GH and I could eat but stay conditioned with zero steroids. But having tried it on and off again, I realize this is dangerous stuff. I value my health too much. Steroids are fine and everything is always okay with AAS, but stims are dangerous and I know I can get by without them.
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yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.
well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.
and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.
didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.
Terrible feeling indeed. I remember being on a train once. I was taking clen at the time. Long-ass ride, and I'd just been sitting there chatting with my schmoe. Out of the blue my heart rate shot up insanely high, to around 160 bpm. Face flushed, sweating like a pig. A few minutes later it went the other way, and I nearly passed out, pale as a ghost and unable to stand up.
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Terrible feeling indeed. I remember being on a train once. I was taking clen at the time. Long-ass ride, and I'd just been sitting there chatting with my schmoe. Out of the blue my heart rate shot up insanely high, to around 160 bpm. Face flushed, sweating like a pig. A few minutes later it went the other way, and I nearly passed out, pale as a ghost and unable to stand up.
I got heart palps bending over. When beta 2 receptors are stimulated, even when you're off ephedrine and clen it can still get the heart jumping and fucks up it's rhythms. That's just not worth it to me. Which one of those heart palps will be a deadly heart attack.
It would sure suck to die at the age of 30 because you bent over to tie your shoes and got a heart attack.
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I wont touch any beta 2 stuff anymore.
I was a heavy IV meth user for a while and it seems to have made me permanently sensitive to stimulants... even small doses of ephedrine hit me hard and make me crave dope. I wont use them at all. Plus I just feel so much better dieting without that crap.
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I wont touch any beta 2 stuff anymore.
I was a heavy IV meth user for a while and it seems to have made me permanently sensitive to stimulants... even small doses of ephedrine hit me hard and make me crave dope. I wont use them at all. Plus I just feel so much better dieting without that crap.
Glad to hear you're off of that. My dad brought over lots of tweakers and while I never did those types of stims, I certainly empathize. I know a lot who are in recovery and haven't touched stims in years, but they say even too much caffeine and get them feeling a bit tweaked out. It definitely changes your brain chemistry. All the best for kicking the habit, man.
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Glad to hear you're off of that. My dad brought over lots of tweakers and while I never did those types of stims, I certainly empathize. I know a lot who are in recovery and haven't touched stims in years, but they say even too much caffeine and get them feeling a bit tweaked out. It definitely changes your brain chemistry. All the best for kicking the habit, man.
X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.
dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?
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we have many who walk around 6% all year.
yes, true 6%.really shredded.
it really isnt soooo hard when on something all year.
infact all serious trainers in the gym are lean or shredded all year.even the competitors, they dont go higher than something like 10lbs over contest weight,few go up 20,but thats it.
the fatties are the ones with no idea what they do or the newcomers who lie to themselves,they dont want embarass themselves so they add bit safety fat as "size" ;D
Gayleniko what is my BF% in this pic ?
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I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.
ive cut it all out
i was really tired initially but its gots back to normal
i have one cup of cofee a day no ephedra or other stims
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dj181 is permacutting.
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X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.
dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?
exactly. ... its weird. The longer I used/older I got, the less and less it took to get me fucked up.... this was in between uses, when I went back I was more sensitive. Obviously while using I built up a tolerance but after a period of abstinence, I found I was much more sensitive to low doses. This transfered over to any/all stimulants.
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X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.
dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?
I can tell you have the privilege of not knowing any tweakers. Meth exploded on the West Coast but has seem to gone into remission. Either that or all the tweakers stay in crack houses. But I've seen lots of tweakers and even after stopping they are all wired the same. It fries the brain. Have you ever seen someone walk with the crack swing? Even after not using crack, stim addicts have tell tale mannerisms that are unmistakable. I can spot them from a mile away.
As for adderall and provigil I am VERY interested. I am slowly moving back towards going into school and if I could get a script for provigil I'm sure I'd make it through with ease. It seems like the lesser of two evils. I've tried adderall before (script) but was very negative and didn't like it. But in hindsight I think it was agreeable with me and I should probably give it another shot. I ended up leaving it in my locker at school and some junkies stole it, crushed it all up and snorted it (I never knew there was recreational value in them at the time).
I'm scatterbrained and if/when I go back to school I will definitely get a script. I've tried low dose provigil and it is absolutely amazing. My medical insurance covers it so I'd definitely take it for school. It feels like it just turns off the lazy button in your brain and you're unrestrained. No tweaky feeling at all. I don't even like too much coffee anymore.
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DNP dude.
It ain't bug spray. It's a phenol compound used to ignite dynamite (or was used for that purpose).
It's an excellent cutting tool but it needs to be combined with a low dose anabolic (at the very least), or it will chew into muscle very rapidly as it has no intrinsic anti-catabolic properties and causes a rather extreme increase in metabolic rate (up to 75%). The side effects at any dose greater than 250mg are also incredibly harsh.
Clenbuterol is by far the best cutting drug imo. It is cardiotoxic (likely to accelerate collagenous remodelling of the ventricles) but you can extinguish the negative effect on the heart by taking a beta-1 selective antagonist such as metoprolol or carvedilol.
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X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.
dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?
Don't know if it is just awareness. These days I've also cut out all caffeine, as anything over 2 glasses of diet coke fuck me up for the entire day, and wreak havoc with my sleep that night. And yes, long ago I was snorting up to a gram of Colombian aspirin per hour. You'd think my receptors, like my nasal membranes, would have long since beem burned away.
Shit, I get quite buzzed from a single cigar these days... ::)
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I can tell you have the privilege of not knowing any tweakers. Meth exploded on the West Coast but has seem to gone into remission. Either that or all the tweakers stay in crack houses. But I've seen lots of tweakers and even after stopping they are all wired the same. It fries the brain. Have you ever seen someone walk with the crack swing? Even after not using crack, stim addicts have tell tale mannerisms that are unmistakable. I can spot them from a mile away.
I call it the 'falling forward walk'. As if every step they take is the one right after tripping over a crack in the pavement.
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I call it the 'falling forward walk'. As if every step they take is the one right after tripping over a crack in the pavement.
We call it the crack swing here. Usually doing the falling forward walk with one arm swinging violently like they've got some place to go.
One thing they do got going for them is the epic leans. Sometimes I see those cheekbones and jawlines and think fuck, that's manly. Maybe I should disappear for a month and get cracked out for the epic leans.
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Is there such a thing? A friend of mine is constantly on clen and/or ECA, amphetamine etc..
Even considers that bug spray shit, forgot the name. It's been like over a year. He's pretty cut but when does it end?
Body dysmorphia of Peace?
lol. You don't have friends
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I never got into any of that fatburning crapola.
I just eat clean with portion control, and plenty of water to get lean.
One cheat meal middle of the week,and one full fledged cheat day on one of the weekend days.
Too easy.
I do however take 1-2 Bronkaid tabs before training as I train early......just for the boost,not for fat burning and once I get immune to them,I discard them for months until I feel them again.
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Gayleniko what is my BF% in this pic ?
Between 6-7 % but holding some water.
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DNP dude.
It ain't bug spray. It's a phenol compound used to ignite dynamite (or was used for that purpose).
It's an excellent cutting tool but it needs to be combined with a low dose anabolic (at the very least), or it will chew into muscle very rapidly as it has no intrinsic anti-catabolic properties and causes a rather extreme increase in metabolic rate (up to 75%). The side effects at any dose greater than 250mg are also incredibly harsh.
Clenbuterol is by far the best cutting drug imo. It is cardiotoxic (likely to accelerate collagenous remodelling of the ventricles) but you can extinguish the negative effect on the heart by taking a beta-1 selective antagonist such as metoprolol or carvedilol.
Does anyone have the texts from concillator. He was a DNP authority but disappeared. He shed a different light on it, setting aside all of the emotional bullshit that people cry about. It seems like a miserable burner to take, but if you can invest a couple weeks into doing it then it'll peel off fat like nothing else.
My friend ran it and got amazingly peeled. But he was so tired he couldn't even walk around the block. I saw his green/yellow t-shirts from the cycle too. Looked like he washed his shirts with a highlighter.
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Gayleniko what is my BF% in this pic ?
something 6-8.
hard to tell bc of the steroid bloat,bro ;D
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Runnign ephedrine is great for kiling appetite. I'd have to force myself to eat.
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btw lol that guy whos on all those fatburners all year is playing with fire.
if he dropped them, hed find out hed be about just as lean as long diet is more or less same, without the short and long term risks of fatburners.
Agreed. It's like the mega juice heads who are on 6 different hormones at once and if they drop one, they think the whole world is crashing all around them and their shrinking by the minute...Mentally ill souls...
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Tren = my fatburner.
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I can tell you have the privilege of not knowing any tweakers. Meth exploded on the West Coast but has seem to gone into remission. Either that or all the tweakers stay in crack houses. But I've seen lots of tweakers and even after stopping they are all wired the same. It fries the brain. Have you ever seen someone walk with the crack swing? Even after not using crack, stim addicts have tell tale mannerisms that are unmistakable. I can spot them from a mile away.
As for adderall and provigil I am VERY interested. I am slowly moving back towards going into school and if I could get a script for provigil I'm sure I'd make it through with ease. It seems like the lesser of two evils. I've tried adderall before (script) but was very negative and didn't like it. But in hindsight I think it was agreeable with me and I should probably give it another shot. I ended up leaving it in my locker at school and some junkies stole it, crushed it all up and snorted it (I never knew there was recreational value in them at the time).
I'm scatterbrained and if/when I go back to school I will definitely get a script. I've tried low dose provigil and it is absolutely amazing. My medical insurance covers it so I'd definitely take it for school. It feels like it just turns off the lazy button in your brain and you're unrestrained. No tweaky feeling at all. I don't even like too much coffee anymore.
Interesting. I've taken adderall recently for the first time while working on some hard problems at work overnight. I'm not sure how many mg I took but did take only 1/4 of a pill at a time. It absolutely helped me with concentration, no noticeable side effects.
I wonder how easy it is to get Provigil prescribed. Adderall is quite easy, complain about ADD life symptoms and it's pretty much a done deal. Provigil main purpose under prescription is to prevent narcolepsia... kinda hard to fake to your doc :)
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What's your cutting "cycle" like to maintain this condition?
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DNP dude.
It ain't bug spray. It's a phenol compound used to ignite dynamite (or was used for that purpose).
It's an excellent cutting tool but it needs to be combined with a low dose anabolic (at the very least), or it will chew into muscle very rapidly as it has no intrinsic anti-catabolic properties and causes a rather extreme increase in metabolic rate (up to 75%). The side effects at any dose greater than 250mg are also incredibly harsh.
Clenbuterol is by far the best cutting drug imo. It is cardiotoxic (likely to accelerate collagenous remodelling of the ventricles) but you can extinguish the negative effect on the heart by taking a beta-1 selective antagonist such as metoprolol or carvedilol.
i dont believe the 75% claim,hell no.
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What's your cutting "cycle" like to maintain this condition?
If I told ya`.....I`d have to kill ya` ! LOL :D
Not much really,Test,Tren,Mast, dosages varied,but never extremely high............clean diet,hard training with moderate weights, and very little rest between sets.
I did do cardio ....just walked for 20-30 minutes on an inclined treadmill 4-5 days a week.......nothing strenuous,just to burn a few extra cals.
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If I told ya`.....I`d have to kill ya` ! LOL :D
Not much really,Test,Tren,Mast, dosages varied,but never extremely high............clean diet,hard training with moderate weights, and very little rest between sets.
I did do cardio ....just walked for 20-30 minutes on an inclined treadmill 4-5 days a week.......nothing strenuous,just to burn a few extra cals.
wow, no DNP, clen or ECA? impressive.
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i dont believe the 75% claim,hell no.
Sure it's true because most people would be dead so the body decomposes quickly
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wow, no DNP, clen or ECA? impressive.
Never used any of that shit except for Ephedrine years ago and then I was taking only 1 tab about 15 minutes before I did cardio at post workout.
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Interesting. I've taken adderall recently for the first time while working on some hard problems at work overnight. I'm not sure how many mg I took but did take only 1/4 of a pill at a time. It absolutely helped me with concentration, no noticeable side effects.
I wonder how easy it is to get Provigil prescribed. Adderall is quite easy, complain about ADD life symptoms and it's pretty much a done deal. Provigil main purpose under prescription is to prevent narcolepsia... kinda hard to fake to your doc :)
Yeah, it's harder to get a script which sucks because I think it's a much, much safer drug. I wouldn't want to take adderall for an extended period of time when there are safer drugs like provigil. When I'm back in school I'll fight hard for a script.
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Yeah, it's harder to get a script which sucks because I think it's a much, much safer drug. I wouldn't want to take adderall for an extended period of time when there are safer drugs like provigil. When I'm back in school I'll fight hard for a script.
Scripts are only hard, not because of safety but because kids were selling it making big bucks on the side
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Between 6-7 % but holding some water.
Holding water indeed , exactly 2 weeks after a show , eating whatever I wanted.
something 6-8.
hard to tell bc of the steroid bloat,bro ;D
:o
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Holding water indeed , exactly 2 weeks after a show , eating whatever I wanted.
:o
I love that look actually......nice and full,unless you go completely wild on crappy food.
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hell i do the dieting with no nothing but ciggaretes, without the willpower nothing gonna work.
starving plenty, you know that feeling, when straight after a meal youre hungry again.never realy full.
Sure it's true because most people would be dead so the body decomposes quickly
yeah doesnt add up.
efedrine or clen raise metalism by 100cals day.
sunds like a bs claim, ill believe it when i see the study
come to think of, never seen a gym rats doing pre and post dnp pics.
only heard and read of twinkos dropping dead.
Holding water indeed , exactly 2 weeks after a show , eating whatever I wanted.
:o
hey i figured its after a show,fattening up somewhat.i knew its not before a show, ie leading to it.
the navel area ,the adonis diet fat deposits give it away.
now if you were 5 at the show or less, then thatll be 6-7% no more.
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I love that look actually......nice and full,unless you go completely wild on crappy food.
It feels good you are pump without even working out.
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I love that look actually......nice and full,unless you go completely wild on crappy food.
also good energy and sex drive.
and easy to maintain somewhat, if bit restrictive at diet.
if not,the lines will soon fade away :-X
great structure btw che.
It feels good you are pump without even working out.
lol, on gears you are pump without even eating ;D
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.the navel area ,the adonis diet fat deposits give it away.
fuck you , there is not fat there, just water >:(
2 weeks before the show
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hell i do the dieting with no nothing but ciggaretes, without the willpower nothing gonna work.
starving plenty, you know that feeling, when straight after a meal youre hungry again.never realy full.
yeah doesnt add up.
efedrine or clen raise metalism by 100cals day.
sunds like a bs claim, ill believe it when i see the study
come to think of, never seen a gym rats doing pre and post dnp pics.
only heard and read of twinkos dropping dead.
hey i figured its after a show,fattening up somewhat.i knew its not before a show, ie leading to it.
the navel area ,the adonis diet fat deposits give it away.
now if you were 5 at the show or less, then thatll be 6-7% no more.
One of my rules for getting lean is to never leave the table feeling full or even somewhat satisfied.
Weirdly enough,when I eat clean,I eat 6 X a day,2 of those are whey in water,but 4 solid decent sized low cal meals.
When I take a dump,it looks like a hamster shit in the toilet! :D
I think becauase I`m training hard and taking gear,coupled with low cals,all/most of my food is being totally utilized by the body,thus resulting in a turd that looks like a 6 month old baby dropped a duece in the toilet.
Just felt like sharing and shooting the shit. ;D
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Scripts are only hard, not because of safety but because kids were selling it making big bucks on the side
Yep, but my primary care physician knows me well. He's offered me tons of narcotics and I've never filled a script past T3s which were just for emergency purposes. He would prescribe me the max amount of percs or whatever other expensive opiates they're prescribing without a second thought.
I do shift work (which is why I'm sometimes on here for hours at night) and sleep has always been an issue. I'm sure I could get a small script. I would never abuse it either, it's all paid for and I wouldn't want to fuck myself over. I could just throw on a glittery thong and do some pose downs for schmoes online if I needed beer money. ;D
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It feels good you are pump without even working out.
Hell yeah,you get a pump from stirring a cup of coffee! ;D
Gotta` love those carbs after a long tough contest diet.
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One of my rules for getting lean is to never leave the table feeling full or even somewhat satisfied.
Weirdly enough,when I eat clean,I eat 6 X a day,2 of those are whey in water,but 4 solid decent sized low cal meals.
When I take a dump,it looks like a hamster shit in the toilet! :D
I think becauase I`m training hard and taking gear,coupled with low cals,all/most of my food is being totally utilized by the body,thus resulting in a turd that looks like a 6 month old baby dropped a duece in the toilet.
Just felt like sharing and shooting the shit. ;D
Even when I'm dieting I have to eat (clean) 5 or 6 times a day until I'm full , otherwise I lose muscles .
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One of my rules for getting lean is to never leave the table feeling full or even somewhat satisfied.
Weirdly enough,when I eat clean,I eat 6 X a day,2 of those are whey in water,but 4 solid decent sized low cal meals.
When I take a dump,it looks like a hamster shit in the toilet! :D
I think becauase I`m training hard and taking gear,coupled with low cals,all/most of my food is being totally utilized by the body,thus resulting in a turd that looks like a 6 month old baby dropped a duece in the toilet.
Just felt like sharing and shooting the shit. ;D
haaha, during hard dieting when i shit, its all air.nothing comes out ;D
expect sometimes the furious gatlin gun -esque dierheas for no reason.after those stomach gets sucked in and very dry look.consistenly ;D
yah best to come to terms that no meal gonna be satisfying or filling, nor very tasty.
i dont plan cheat days,i carry on for as long i can before the binge meltdown happens.
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I hear ya` Che....actually,when dieting,I do get full, but it`s mostly caused by my stomach shrinking and waist getting smaller.
Those meals wouldn`t fill me up one iota if it was in the off-season.....it would seem like a snack.
I was one to always overdiet anyway,but I think it`s better to be cut at 2 weeks out than to be cut at 2 weeks after the show, which I`ve seen so many people do because they would equate their bodyweight on the scale to actual muscle size and be afraid if they saw the pounds dropping on the scale.
Fucking idiots......been training over decades of time and competing for years,but still have no clue as to how to get ripped.
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haaha, during hard dieting when i shit, its all air.nothing comes out ;D
expect sometimes the furious gatlin gun -esque dierheas for no reason.after those stomach gets sucked in and very dry look.consistenly ;D
yah best to come to terms that no meal gonna be satisfying or filling, nor very tasty.
i dont plan cheat days,i carry on for as long i can before the binge meltdown happens.
I can relate bro! LOL ;D
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I hear ya` Che....actually,when dieting,I do get full, but it`s mostly caused by my stomach shrinking and waist getting smaller.
Those meals wouldn`t fill me up one iota if it was in the off-season.....it would seem like a snack.
I was one to always overdiet anyway,but I think it`s better to be cut at 2 weeks out than to be cut at 2 weeks after the show, which I`ve seen so many people do because they would equate their bodyweight on the scale to actual muscle size and be afraid if they saw the pounds dropping on the scale.
Fucking idiots......been training over decades of time and competing for years,but still have no clue as to how to get ripped.
I agree
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I hear ya` Che....actually,when dieting,I do get full, but it`s mostly caused by my stomach shrinking and waist getting smaller.
Those meals wouldn`t fill me up one iota if it was in the off-season.....it would seem like a snack.
I was one to always overdiet anyway,but I think it`s better to be cut at 2 weeks out than to be cut at 2 weeks after the show, which I`ve seen so many people do because they would equate their bodyweight on the scale to actual muscle size and be afraid if they saw the pounds dropping on the scale.
Fucking idiots......been training over decades of time and competing for years,but still have no clue as to how to get ripped.
You've got the realistic approach. Get lean, stay lean if you bulk then just do it within a reasonable range. For some reason this flies over people's heads.
That's why I don't like to balloon anymore. With more than fulltime work, school, family, etc I'm not as lean as I'd like to be. But once I clamp down (without stims) I'll just never get fat again. It's so much easier to maintain than to fight tooth and nail to break through plateaus. And guys break through plateaus, then get fat, then have to endure the same struggle... too much time, money, drugs fo dat. AIN'T NO BODY GOT TIME FO DAT! ;D ;D
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Tren = my fatburner.
fucking ripped Wes , what's your height/weight.
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Good post Dustin.
You can`t flex fat, and this leaning out then bulking up yo yo shit is so stupid........... because after using the "wet" compounds ( I love that stupid saying) and then dropping them, and using only "cutting agents" (love that one too) most guys that bulked look just the same as they did prior to doing so.
Most of it is just diet and activity level,but most have no discipline and rely on ridiculous amounts of gear that would be more suited to a guy the size of Dennis Wolf.
Just stay lean and build as much small amounts of muscle over time that you can.
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fucking ripped Wes , what's your height/weight.
Thanks bud,in that pic I weighed about 172 or so............it was after training for a contest that I didn`t enter where I had to be at 165 for the weight class.
I`m 5'7.5" tall.......57 years old in the pic taken last winter.
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Good post Dustin.
You can`t flex fat, and this leaning out then bulking up yo yo shit is so stupid........... because after using the "wet" compounds ( I love that stupid saying) and then dropping them, and using only "cutting agents" (love that one too) most guys that bulked look just the same as they did prior to doing so.
Most of it is just diet and activity level,but most have no discipline and rely on ridiculous amounts of gear that would be more suited to a guy the size of Dennis Wolf.
Just stay lean and build as much small amounts of muscle over time that you can.
yah the only difference will be somewhat diferent estrogen levels.
when fat and running test, estrogen levels will be high enough to make fatloss kinda hard.
when fat and running masteron and such, that wont convert to estrogen, but there will be plenty made in the fatcells.
running arimidex or similiar is way superior as far estrogen shutdown is concerned.
however,when lean,there really is a difference between peds,some make you hold water from cleanest diet, some you get away with daily bad small meal.
but yah for the last finishing touch or to get serious, the hardening drugs are superior and something like adex will be needed,or atleast of great help
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I agree Gal,but who gets fat.......not the guys in the last few pages of this thread that`s for sure! ;)
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I agree Gal,but who gets fat.......not the guys in the last few pages of this thread that`s for sure! ;)
yah fat on steroids is terrible.esp on those causing estrogen sides and prolactine sides.
somthing like dbol or test has hefty estrogen conversion rates,this really fucks up things when one is fat.
estrogen so bad that it even overpowers the calories thing at times.i didnt know until recently that when fat cells grew enough they turn into estrogen making fabrics.i knew estrogen comes from the fat, but the ftter one gets, the more fabrics come to be.
makes one wonder how the pros manage dieting with so mch test and then insulin on top of that.
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I hear you,personally,if I`m running D-Bol or Test,I hold very little water unless I`m eating like total shit,then I look like total shit.
I wonder what Shizzos thoughts on this are............oh WAIT! LOL :D
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I hear you,personally,if I`m running D-Bol or Test,I hold very little water unless I`m eating like total shit,then I look like total shit.
I wonder what Shizzos thoughts on this are............oh WAIT! LOL :D
Shitzu is pretty quiet lately. I hope this is a positive sign, we'll see..
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Shitzu is pretty quiet lately. I hope this is a positive sign, we'll see..
YES!! :D
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So if read this thread correctly, DNP is safe but Clen will damage ones heart valves unless a beta blocker is added?
lol oh brother.
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What many here consider a "permabulker" is, to my mind, simply a powerful-looking physique (no homo). The low, low bodyfat obsession some of you have is weird. Unless juiced to the rafters, it's next to impossible to be of considerable strength when struttin' such leanness.
So you're diced. Being a man who regularly trains with weights, yet weighing a weak-ass 180 pounds, is lame.
This. And instead of being insistent on showing off their biceps they feel the need to pull their shirt up at everyone they talk to, to show off their chicklet sized abs. Huge complexes and attention whoring insecurities.
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So if read this thread correctly, DNP is safe but Clen will damage ones heart valves unless a beta blocker is added?
lol oh brother.
id say the dnp is much more dangerous overall, scvrew that "you just need to know the proper protocols".lol.
but i wouldnt be suprised if clen wold make someone with heart isuees drop dead one second to other.
This. And instead of being insistent on showing off their biceps they feel the need to pull their shirt up at everyone they talk to, to show off their chicklet sized abs. Huge complexes and attention whoring insecurities.
what you dont realize, i have done my time as permabulker, its an unpleasant feel, and unpleasant look, and terrible on joints and esp health.you walk around borderline diabetic with permanently altered bloodpressure as permabulker, its no good.
the body doesnt like too much weight.i can gain 40lbs of pure fat in les than one month and would look "huge" in clothing, dont care about that.
me personaly, im dead serious when i say i rather be skinnyfat with not an ounce of muscle on me than a permabulker again.
bc you simply can go on and enjoy life with lean thin face, none of the purple skin, none of the inflated cheeks and moonface.,those are repulsive to most women.
i didnt and never will be lifting for anyone but myself and the original intent was to get more women if possible, this still remains so.
if you cant flex it dont carry it.
seriously, to lose abs, id have to eat non stop like a pig, the discipline to just have visible abs should be within realm of possibility for a bbuilder.
comeon if one doesnt have abs its a joke.esp after years in the gym.
mustnt be shredded like me, but abs visible is no big deal.
i mean how can one even train properly when theyre fat?the body doesnt work optimaly at all when fat, it doesnt use up the food as effective and to lose abs means almost all day in sugarspike coma, not a good feeling when training.
every natural can walk round all year with abs visible
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Not speaking for powerlifters or strength guys,but if you`ve been trying to be a bodybuilder,and have not seen your abs since you were a kid,you`ve been doing something wrong.
I`ve seen tons of huge monstrous looking guys, but once the shirt came off,they looked like pure shit.
If they could bench 500 pounds for reps and stood on a beach shirtless, while a 175 pound bodybuilder who had a hard time benching a max of 225 walked by shirtless who do the women look at?
You do the math.
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What many here consider a "permabulker" is, to my mind, simply a powerful-looking physique (no homo). The low, low bodyfat obsession some of you have is weird. Unless juiced to the rafters, it's next to impossible to be of considerable strength when struttin' such leanness.
So you're diced. Being a man who regularly trains with weights, yet weighing a weak-ass 180 pounds, is lame.
wow not sure alex can recover ;D
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wow not sure alex can recover ;D
lol... I rather be 240-245 the way I am now, strong as fuck with stamina than being washboard abs with a "stimulant" problem, "defective heart valves" and "shaky hands".. oh brother.
DNP of peace.
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fuck you , there is not fat there, just water >:(
2 weeks before the show
:P