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i wonder how come he doesnt have hospitalization insurance, dont most people have that thru their employer???
are crossfitters jobless?
A CrossFit coach might never walk again after he severed his spine during a competition in California on Sunday. Kevin Ogar was competing at a CrossFit event when he attempted a snatch—a lift in which a barbell is raised from the floor directly to an overhead position in a single motion—but dropped the weight on his back. According to his friends, Ogar separated his T11 and T12 vertebrae, severed his spinal cord, and is currently paralyzed from the waist down. Because Ogar is uninsured, the CrossFit community has rallied together to help pay for the medical bills. In fewer than 48 hours, people from around the world donated more than $100,000, CrossFit Unbroken owner Matt Hathcock told CBS. “It was just kind of a freak accident,” says one CrossFitter who competed with Ogar last weekend. CrossFit’s high-intensity workouts have exploded in popularity, and there are now about 10,000 CrossFit gyms worldwide. Though CrossFit injury numbers vary, studies have pegged the CrossFit injury rate from as low as 16 percent to as high as 74 percent.
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Sacrifices must be made to live the crossfit life.
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even Ronnie Colemane was covered by the police
Hmmm...identity cloud lifting...
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Snapped Spinal Cord Of Peace
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According to the crossfit community most people his age don't have health insurance and it is more common to not have it then to have it.
He's already gotten over 50,000 dollars in donations.
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Love how you mentioned "according to the crossfit community"... as far as I'm concerned that's pretty crazy not to be insured.
Hahaha yes. When I read that I lol'd. :D
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The fund for the guy is up to $112,000 + . More and more, it seems that bad platform management (plus wear) was the main reason that the injury was as bad as it was. He missed the lift, the bar hit a stack of bumper plates stacked behind him, which angled the bar right back into his mid lower back.
Video of it :-\ -
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Coach told his ass not to do that shit.
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More and more, it seems that bad platform management (plus wear) was the main reason that the injury was as bad as it was. He missed the lift, the bar hit a stack of bumper plates stacked behind him, which angled the bar right back into his mid lower back.
To me it looks like the bar landed across his shoulders and upper back while he was in a sitting position with a bent back. Like this
(http://i.imgur.com/sWkrUYL.jpg)
Then it knocked those plates behind him. But the damage was done before that.
(http://i.imgur.com/42yWntn.jpg)
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Actually, the other theory is plausible too. It's hard to tell from such a choppy video.
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I never heard of this one before. He is actually paralyzed? Very disturbing injury. In Olympic lifting you have to learn from day one if you miss a snatch from behind you move forward dumping it back.
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I never heard of this one before. He is actually paralyzed? Very disturbing injury. In Olympic lifting you have to learn from day one if you miss a snatch from behind you move forward dumping it back.
Watch out...according to Joe "Super Coach", you NEVER dump a bar behind you.
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No pain no gain. Since he doesn't feel anything now anymore and he's gonna lose all his gains, I guess it's true.
HAHHAHAHAHA....LOL.... ;D ;D ;D...he really lived by those words
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Very painful, life altering lesson he learned right there.
Crossfit devotees have very low IQ's.
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Watch out...according to Joe "Super Coach", you NEVER dump a bar behind you.
He obviously has zero experience with Olympic lifting. Yes, if the snatch is to far back you dump it behind you. Has coach ever seen anyone Olympic lift? If you lose it from the front naturally you dump it forward.
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He obviously has zero experience with Olympic lifting. Yes, if the snatch is to far back you dump it behind you. Has coach ever seen anyone Olympic lift?
Did CrossFit teach you to dump a snatch load at the top from behind? Unless he had no choice you never dump the load from thee rear. There's no way to control the drop.
:o
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To me it looks like the bar landed across his shoulders and upper back while he was in a sitting position with a bent back. Like this
(http://i.imgur.com/sWkrUYL.jpg)
Then it knocked those plates behind him. But the damage was done before that.
(http://i.imgur.com/42yWntn.jpg)
Good call, that looks like that's it.
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Here's it slowed -
(http://i.imgur.com/6KlUn16.gif).
I can see it going either way, but Dogbowl's thought seems a bit more plausible, I'd love to see it from the side.
Either way, that platform handling wouldn't fly at a major meet.
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I haven't heard about this before but man, this sucks for him. But a bunch of idiots toying with weights... even if the load is laughable by bbing and powerlifting standars, it can still fvc* you up.
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can one of our brilliant minds here do the math on the amount of force generated by that weight (105 kg?) moving at freefall speed (something like 9/8 ms2?) for a distance of 5 to 8 inches, whatever it was there?
I haven't had physics class since 1993, but I"m guessing someone could figure out what kind of force was absorbed by his neck.
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can one of our brilliant minds here do the math on the amount of force generated by that weight (105 kg?) moving at freefall speed (something like 9/8 ms2?) for a distance of 5 to 8 inches, whatever it was there?
I haven't had physics class since 1993, but I"m guessing someone could figure out what kind of force was absorbed by his neck.
Looked like it was his midthoracics....certainl y enough to fracture vertebrae and send fragments into the spinal canal. Freak accident for sure.
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He obviously has zero experience with Olympic lifting. Yes, if the snatch is to far back you dump it behind you. Has coach ever seen anyone Olympic lift? If you lose it from the front naturally you dump it forward.
You're correct and like I said in the last thread, if you have no choice you dump it from behind
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This supports my idea of he dropped the barbell cuz he snapped his shit
He didnt snap his shit because he dropped the barbell
How else could you explain that odd wobbling during the standing up and eventually going down again and dropping it
while it was clearly a light weight to him all things considered
No....he didn't suffer a massive fragmenting fracture from the snatch.
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No....he didn't suffer a massive fragmenting fracture from the snatch.
I agree, I don't think it was from the lift.
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Hard to tell. If someone dropped a metal tool box weighing a couple of hundred pounds on your back it would cause some serious damage.
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even Ronnie Colemane was covered by the police
hello anabolichalo ???
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how do you explain him losing such a light weight after catching it and being almost standing up again
something in the back snapped and pain resulted in what folowed
Do you consider 231 lbs snatch a light weight? Most guys here who could bench 405 lbs here couldn't snatch 225 if they trained for 6 months. If it was 105 kilos and it slammed into his back bone with the metal bar that could cause a lot of damage. It would be like swinging a 2lbs hammer at someone's spine.
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Looked like it was his midthoracics....certainl y enough to fracture vertebrae and send fragments into the spinal canal. Freak accident for sure.
T11....he has had 3 surgeries so far from what I understand.
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:(
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T11....he has had 3 surgeries so far from what I understand.
Interesting....any update on his outcome?
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how do you explain him losing such a light weight after catching it and being almost standing up again
something in the back snapped and pain resulted in what folowed
Lol doesn't work like that bro, unless he had some serious necrotic bone disease, which he did not. The bar landed on his back.
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Interesting....any update on his outcome?
Not much -
http://strengthmilitia.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/kevin-ogar-oc-throwdown-injury-updates-fundraisers/
Down toward the bottom gives some information.
http://www.facebook.com/ogarstrong is the official page now.
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BUT WHY DID HE DROP IT
Because he was fatigued from a vigorous crossfit workout. Missing the lift had nothing to do with his injury, until he dropped the bar on his T11.
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BUT WHY DID HE DROP IT
You're a gimmick right? You call 231lbs. a light weight for snatching and as proof you show a video of an elite world class Olympic weight lifter. Please show a video of you snatching a light 231lbs. It should be real easy, right? He dropped the weight because he missed the lift.
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http://www.outsideonline.com/news-from-the-field/CrossFit-Coach-Severs-Spine.html
A CrossFit coach might never walk again after he severed his spine during a competition in California on Sunday.
Kevin Ogar was competing at a CrossFit event when he attempted a snatch—a lift in which a barbell is raised from the floor directly to an overhead position in a single motion—but dropped the weight on his back. According to his friends, Ogar separated his T11 and T12 vertebrae, severed his spinal cord, and is currently paralyzed from the waist down.
Because Ogar is uninsured, the CrossFit community has rallied together to help pay for the medical bills. In fewer than 48 hours, people from around the world donated more than $100,000, CrossFit Unbroken owner Matt Hathcock told CBS.
“It was just kind of a freak accident,” says one CrossFitter who competed with Ogar last weekend.
CrossFit’s high-intensity workouts have exploded in popularity, and there are now about 10,000 CrossFit gyms worldwide. Though CrossFit injury numbers vary, studies have pegged the CrossFit injury rate from as low as 16 percent to as high as 74 percent.
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Haven`t seen this yet.
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http://www.outsideonline.com/news-from-the-field/CrossFit-Coach-Severs-Spine.html
A CrossFit coach might never walk again after he severed his spine during a competition in California on Sunday.
Kevin Ogar was competing at a CrossFit event when he attempted a snatch—a lift in which a barbell is raised from the floor directly to an overhead position in a single motion—but dropped the weight on his back. According to his friends, Ogar separated his T11 and T12 vertebrae, severed his spinal cord, and is currently paralyzed from the waist down.
Because Ogar is uninsured, the CrossFit community has rallied together to help pay for the medical bills. In fewer than 48 hours, people from around the world donated more than $100,000, CrossFit Unbroken owner Matt Hathcock told CBS.
“It was just kind of a freak accident,” says one CrossFitter who competed with Ogar last weekend.
CrossFit’s high-intensity workouts have exploded in popularity, and there are now about 10,000 CrossFit gyms worldwide. Though CrossFit injury numbers vary, studies have pegged the CrossFit injury rate from as low as 16 percent to as high as 74 percent.
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I agree, I don't think it was from the lift.
Then i misunderstood you earlier. Or you change your mind.
I hope they release the full video of this. I want to see the aftermath, and the events leading up to this. Apparently the ambulance took 15 minutes to arrive?
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http://www.outsideonline.com/news-from-the-field/CrossFit-Coach-Severs-Spine.html
A CrossFit coach might never walk again after he severed his spine during a competition in California on Sunday.
Kevin Ogar was competing at a CrossFit event when he attempted a snatch—a lift in which a barbell is raised from the floor directly to an overhead position in a single motion—but dropped the weight on his back. According to his friends, Ogar separated his T11 and T12 vertebrae, severed his spinal cord, and is currently paralyzed from the waist down.
Because Ogar is uninsured, the CrossFit community has rallied together to help pay for the medical bills. In fewer than 48 hours, people from around the world donated more than $100,000, CrossFit Unbroken owner Matt Hathcock told CBS.
“It was just kind of a freak accident,” says one CrossFitter who competed with Ogar last weekend.
CrossFit’s high-intensity workouts have exploded in popularity, and there are now about 10,000 CrossFit gyms worldwide. Though CrossFit injury numbers vary, studies have pegged the CrossFit injury rate from as low as 16 percent to as high as 74 percent.
All an internet hoax.....
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THE WAY I SEE IT: LISTEN CAREFULLY LISTEN
something is already srsly wrong before the bar is even dropping
mid recovery he starts making weird moves and going back down, in severe pain no doubt
it is only then the bar drops and maybe the spine is already snapped at this time
Something went wrong before he dropped it. His body gave out. Hard to tell tho with the choppy vid.
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can one of our brilliant minds here do the math on the amount of force generated by that weight (105 kg?) moving at freefall speed (something like 9/8 ms2?) for a distance of 5 to 8 inches, whatever it was there?
I haven't had physics class since 1993, but I"m guessing someone could figure out what kind of force was absorbed by his neck.
To find the collision speed if the weight falls 3 ft:
Square root (2 times 32.2 times 3) = 13.9 feet per second
13.9 times 3600 divided by 5280 = 9.48 mph=4.24 meters per sec.
Force in newtons = 105kg times collision speed (meters per second) divided by the time between the bars first contact with him and the spinal cord severing.
Then multiply by .225 to convert to pounds.
But really,if you look up the minimum force required to break a spine, that would be the answer. You would need to do a stress/fracture test on a spine to see how much force it takes to break it, and that is likely to be close to the answer. Being hit with a weight greater than this minimum probably won't make a difference in the force it took to sever the spinal cord. The same weight falling through 3 feet (approx.) will exert different forces on different things. For example it would exert a big force if it hits something hard, but a small force if it hits something soft. The point is that there is no set force that results from that particular weight falling that particular distance. It depends on the object it hits and how that object responds to the blow as much as it does to the initial data. Keep in mind that in this case there are other factors such as the vertebrae coming into contact with the bar first which would change the amount of force it takes to sever the spinal cord.
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ask bigsetanie21112 the homo breaks spines with his bare palms if theyre not busy stroking of clients
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To find the collision speed if the weight falls 3 ft:
Square root (2 times 32.2 times 3) = 13.9 feet per second
13.9 times 3600 divided by 5280 = 9.48 mph=4.24 meters per sec.
Force in newtons = 105kg times collision speed (meters per second) divided by the time between the bars first contact with him and the spinal cord severing.
Then multiply by .225 to convert to pounds.
But really,if you look up the minimum force required to break a spine, that would be the answer. You would need to do a stress/fracture test on a spine to see how much force it takes to break it, and that is likely to be close to the answer. Being hit with a weight greater than this minimum probably won't make a difference in the force it took to sever the spinal cord. The same weight falling through 3 feet (approx.) will exert different forces on different things. For example it would exert a big force if it hits something hard, but a small force if it hits something soft. The point is that there is no set force that results from that particular weight falling that particular distance. It depends on the object it hits and how that object responds to the blow as much as it does to the initial data. Keep in mind that in this case there are other factors such as the vertebrae coming into contact with the bar first which would change the amount of force it takes to sever the spinal cord.
Good post but let me add: The cord did not have to be completely dissected. All that was needed for paralysis is a small fragment of bone to enter the canal and impinge or injure the cord in some way. Very delicate anatomy we are dealing with here.
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To me it looks like the bar landed across his shoulders and upper back while he was in a sitting position with a bent back. Like this
(http://i.imgur.com/sWkrUYL.jpg)
Then it knocked those plates behind him. But the damage was done before that.
(http://i.imgur.com/42yWntn.jpg)
how you do the sketch?
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Any chance he had preexisting issues with his back and was simply encouraged to continue through the pain until this happened? We all know how "hardcore" crossfitters are.
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Good post but let me add: The cord did not have to be completely dissected. All that was needed for paralysis is a small fragment of bone to enter the canal and impinge or injure the cord in some way. Very delicate anatomy we are dealing with here.
ETIOLOGY
- Thoracic spine is rigid owing to the support of the rib cage and the costovertebral articulations:
- The spinal canal is narrowest in the thoracic spine.
- Traumatic thoracic spine fractures require enormous forces. Motor-vehicle and motorcycle collisions, pedestrians struck, and falls (particularly from height >10 ft) account for most fractures: A small percentage are caused by penetrating injuries (see “Spinal Cord Syndromes”).
- 50% of all spinal fractures and 40% of all spinal cord injuries occur at the thoracolumbar junction (T11-L2).
The thing about the thoraco-lumbar junction is that injury to this area is associated with what is known as polytrauma. So, Could there have been a compression fracture prior to the bar striking him? Unlikely, but possible. The direct blunt force trauma to the column would be the most likely cause. Most likely the posterior and medial columns of T11 (based on R Lous' column theory) would have been damaged if there was a fracture. I haven't heard the specifics of what actually got damaged (other than severed spinal cord). Not sure I want to know.
Chaos...all joking aside, its unlikely that there were any pre-existing problems with his back at that specific level. Lumbar region quite possibly. But would that be something that would have caused it. I am still not clear if this was a straight out compression injury (unlikely), the bar striking the spine on the way down, or the bar striking the back on the rebound.
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how you do the sketch?
Quickly and with no skill!
I did a google search for 'online paint' and found www.onemotion.com/flash/sketch-paint/
Just trying to visually make sense of what might have happened.
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the reports state separated t11/t12
mr. dogbowl I suspect is right
here's another diagram of what may have happened with a similar impact (inverted)
(http://www.ammonslaw.com/images/res-Mason-diagram.jpg)
the bar didn't hit the lower back
it looks like it lands on the stack of plates and rolls back
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- 50% of all spinal fractures and 40% of all spinal cord injuries occur at the thoracolumbar junction (T11-L2).
This seems to be all of the information available:
"According to his friends, Ogar separated his T11 and T12 vertebrae, severed his spinal cord, and is currently paralyzed from the waist down."
And a picture for those of us who aren't good with long medical words
(http://www.grhealth.org/media/Image/Neuroscience%20Center/Spine/picT1.jpg)
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Quickly and with no skill!
I did a google search for 'online paint' and found www.onemotion.com/flash/sketch-paint/
Just trying to visually make sense of what might have happened.
oh nice work
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mr. dogbowl I suspect is right
the bar didn't hit the lower back
it looks like it lands on the stack of plates and rolls back
That wasn't my theory, but it might be right. It's hard to tell anything from a few frames of video.
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Go through the video frame by frame. To me it doesn't look like the bar touched him.
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To find the collision speed if the weight falls 3 ft:
Square root (2 times 32.2 times 3) = 13.9 feet per second
13.9 times 3600 divided by 5280 = 9.48 mph=4.24 meters per sec.
Force in newtons = 105kg times collision speed (meters per second) divided by the time between the bars first contact with him and the spinal cord severing.
Then multiply by .225 to convert to pounds.
But really,if you look up the minimum force required to break a spine, that would be the answer. You would need to do a stress/fracture test on a spine to see how much force it takes to break it, and that is likely to be close to the answer. Being hit with a weight greater than this minimum probably won't make a difference in the force it took to sever the spinal cord. The same weight falling through 3 feet (approx.) will exert different forces on different things. For example it would exert a big force if it hits something hard, but a small force if it hits something soft. The point is that there is no set force that results from that particular weight falling that particular distance. It depends on the object it hits and how that object responds to the blow as much as it does to the initial data. Keep in mind that in this case there are other factors such as the vertebrae coming into contact with the bar first which would change the amount of force it takes to sever the spinal cord.
don't forget to include the mass of the upperbody
here's the freak factor...
the impact of the BAR on the neck appears to occur precisely at the moment his ASS hits the mat.
I'm gonna look at the support gear a lil bit now and see what we can find.
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Posting a few thoughts taken from other forums:
“He was attempting a snatch and something went wrong. He bailed backwards on the lift and the barbell came down right on top of him,” said Inez Vasquez, a bystander of the competition. “Then he fell backwards onto either the plates that were stacked or the barbell with plates. It was really upsetting. He sounded very hurt.”
http://www.rawfitnesscombine.com/kevinogarinjury/
I saw the video. The bar hit him in the traps at the same time or just after his body/backside was already in contact with the floor. Doesn't appear to hit him in the T11/12 area, so it must be a compression injury.
I was there but a friend of mine recorded the live stream and cut the video. We watched it many times and it does appear to hit him in lower neck
My buddy is editing the video to take out the aftermath (the worst part). He's gonna post it soon. I'll let ya know
It actually landed on his low/mid back, the spinal cord break was between the T11 and T12. He lost control of the lift and was kind of sitting down when the bar dropped on his back, it was definitely a freak accident.
edit: higher up on the back, mea culpa.
He dropped the snatch and landed right on his lower neck . Spine literally snapped in two. Freak accident but horrible
"I was watching the live stream when it happened. Yes, it was during the 3RM touch-and-go snatch event, but it actually happened on his first snatch. He pulled under and it looked like his elbows were not locked out but he tried to stand up anyway. As he tried to stand his elbows gave and the barbell fell straight down on his back. They immediately moved the camera, but you could heard the guy on the mic saying they needed a medic right away. Not sure about how long it took for EMTs to arrive.
Unbroken 3RM snatch is certainly more dangerous than a heavy single, but this was just a freak accident. Thoughts and prayers go out."
Yes, the bar hits him in mid back on the way down, the angle doesn't help.
nothing to do with landing on the plates.
It's hard to tell for sure(from the video), but it looks like the bar hit his back at a funky angle at the same time(or immediately after) his ass hit the floor... a bad combination.
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here's kevin with his lifting belt
(http://profilepics.crossfit.com/mygames/profilepics/P5911_1-184.jpg)
this intended to support the lower backarea
in a freak impact scenario like this the forces are redistributed to the mid-back
which may be the straw that broke this camel perversely...
to be clear; I'm saying the lifting belt probably CONTRIBUTED to the injury
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How maddening that an incident like this be recorded, but from an angle where no one can see what happened
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no applause? :D
ok
let me explain this a bit more.
the belt creates an inflection point exactly at the T11/T12 juncture by creating a totally rigid box below it
ogar falls, the upperbody hits and stresses that inflection point
the bar hits the neck at the same moment of max stress and SNAP
leave it to dogbowl to draw it up. :)
Moral of the story?
Paul Anderson never needed a belt, Arnold did (to suck in his gut!)
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generation nothingness of peace :)
here's what a real athlete looks like
(http://ptcfrankston.com/doc/newsletter/72/3.jpg)
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ETIOLOGY
- Thoracic spine is rigid owing to the support of the rib cage and the costovertebral articulations:
- The spinal canal is narrowest in the thoracic spine.
- Traumatic thoracic spine fractures require enormous forces. Motor-vehicle and motorcycle collisions, pedestrians struck, and falls (particularly from height >10 ft) account for most fractures: A small percentage are caused by penetrating injuries (see “Spinal Cord Syndromes”).
- 50% of all spinal fractures and 40% of all spinal cord injuries occur at the thoracolumbar junction (T11-L2).
The thing about the thoraco-lumbar junction is that injury to this area is associated with what is known as polytrauma. So, Could there have been a compression fracture prior to the bar striking him? Unlikely, but possible. The direct blunt force trauma to the column would be the most likely cause. Most likely the posterior and medial columns of T11 (based on R Lous' column theory) would have been damaged if there was a fracture. I haven't heard the specifics of what actually got damaged (other than severed spinal cord). Not sure I want to know.
Chaos...all joking aside, its unlikely that there were any pre-existing problems with his back at that specific level. Lumbar region quite possibly. But would that be something that would have caused it. I am still not clear if this was a straight out compression injury (unlikely), the bar striking the spine on the way down, or the bar striking the back on the rebound.
Good post. Would love to see his films and MR. I'm hypothesizing a bursting compression fx @ T11. What do you think?
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Good post. Would love to see his films and MR. I'm hypothesizing a bursting compression fx @ T11. What do you think?
why do you think the spine CE off?
So whygeneration nothingness of peace :)
here's what a real athlete looks like
(http://ptcfrankston.com/doc/newsletter/72/3.jpg)
Holy shit. Respect.
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Looks to me like he started to pass out and that's why he slumped into a sitting position on the mat.
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why do you think the spine CE off?
I don't understand your question bro.
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I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what crossfit is.
Sorry to hear about this person's injury though....I completely understand freak accidents.
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Bad situation. It's nice to see people pitching in to help him out though.
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I posted this in another thread, but thought it should go here too
I just did another search on that crossfitter dude who had that accident, and found some new footage, including a few seconds of him writhing in pain afterwards
(i'm not sure if this has been posted before) (I still say the bar crushed him on the way down, not after bouncing upwards)
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So, is this guy paralyzed for life, or what?
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So, is this guy paralyzed for life, or what?
This clown has a website now trying to raise money by promoting the very exercise that got him in this predicament. Safe to say he is no genius.