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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: BigRo on January 25, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
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I have my first kit, how long does one have to take it to notice that it is really worth its price.
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How many iu are you running bro? This is difficult to answer, I started sleeping better in a week but gains took a while, months (even at 10iu). This was a year and a half ago, haven't run any since, soon I will.
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Have only used hyge not pharma..
Better sleep & recovery week or two
Better skin in a month
Fat loss couple months
Fuller and more 3d? If that makes sense in couple months
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I noticed my skin looked healthier immediately. But I didn't notice any muscular physical changes for at least 5 to months.
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With quality GH you will notice changes within 1 week. Increased muscle fullness, roundness, greatly enhanced pump in the gym, better sleep and increased appetite, and increased vascularity if already lean. One of the biggest myths out there is that it takes months of GH use to see changes, total crap. I'm referring to Serostim, Humatrope, and Genotropin.
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With kigtropin instanFUCKINGtaneously, competition ready within 24 hours ;)
I can only speak on rips, and have never done more than 8iu a day, but I think thay have definitely helped me grow over the years, cant say i see anything immediately crazy from them, but they work for me over time.
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thanks folks, mines Eurotropin by EP think it is like Hygetropin. Probably run 6iu 5 x a week for 20 weeks with plenty of AAS and bit of insulin post workout :)
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better skin and fullness shouldnt take more than few days, also, water retention,esp noticable when lean.
the good effects didnt even take more than a wek to start with me, this includes better filling out of weak areas, vbetter strenght, better recovery.
but i went off and wont use again.
for me the extra size is not worth it(and i dont care i hoped itd help to stay even more shredded while eating more,but is not the case,the water retention klls that), but at your level, will be mandatory.
one thing is for sure brother, a guy at your stage and knowledge, someone whos truly more or less maxed out on steroids alone,will have very nice gains.will take most advantage out of it.
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thanks folks, mines Eurotropin by EP think it is like Hygetropin. Probably run 6iu 5 x a week for 20 weeks with plenty of AAS and bit of insulin post workout :)
U also mentioned you started a new brand of aas steroids recently that was supposed to be well dosed , it wasn't star labs by any chance or what brand is it and do u rate it ?
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it was star labs yes, well I was only on half mg wise of what I was using pre contest so hard to be accurate but it does work. I am using Isis Test,NPP,Tren and Dbol now.
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2-3 weeks to see a little change, like hands bloating up a bit and improved sleep.
For me it takes about 2 months to really see changes in my muscles and skin.
It's hard to explain, but you will notice a new fullness to your muscles and will always look pumped.
With Slin you will notice that fullness and pumped feeling in a matter of days.
Good luck!
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BigRo, out of curiosity bro, how tall are ya and current weight? Can you share your diet?
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6ft currently around 260 was 270 in December on my rebound post show but then scaled everything back for a bit.
Diet is something like this at the moment;
Meal 1: 6 whole eggs
1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana, milk
2scps whey protein with milk
Meal 2: 2 chicken fillets
1/2 to 3/4 cup uncooked measure basmati rice
broccoli
Meal 3: 2scps whey protein with 1 pint of apple or mango juice (post workout)
Meal 4: 2 chicken fillets
1/2 cup of rice
broccoli
Meal 5: 400gms organic steak
Salad
Meal 6: 6 whole eggs
1 cup of cottage cheese
1 pint of milk
1 cup of oatmeal if needed
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Thanks BigRio!
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6ft currently around 260 was 270 in December on my rebound post show but then scaled everything back for a bit.
Diet is something like this at the moment;
Meal 1: 6 whole eggs
1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana, milk
2scps whey protein with milk
Meal 2: 2 chicken fillets
1/2 to 3/4 cup uncooked measure basmati rice
broccoli
Meal 3: 2scps whey protein with 1 pint of apple or mango juice (post workout)
Meal 4: 2 chicken fillets
1/2 cup of rice
broccoli
Meal 5: 400gms organic steak
Salad
Meal 6: 6 whole eggs
1 cup of cottage cheese
1 pint of milk
1 cup of oatmeal if needed
What does that equate to in kcals?
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I dont know, I dont keep track of calories
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ro, what do you change in diet when contest time comes around?
That's a shitload of food. Being huge is not cheap.
hm i dont find it that much,actually.am suprised someone his size isnt eating more
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I doubt that growth is going to make you explode in size but if you ad insulin to the mix with diet adjustments (carbs), a great deal of change is going to happen.
All the best.
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It better make me explode for the price of it lol, seems people give Insulin more credit for packing on the mass than growth. By diet adjustments what do you mean, making sure one doesn't go hypo?
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It better make me explode for the price of it lol, seems people give Insulin more credit for packing on the mass than growth. By diet adjustments what do you mean, making sure one doesn't go hypo?
you can add slight bit more carbs, the hypo, hm i would dose as high for now to need slin.
for me when i took it, yeah if you interested in size,its kinda worth the money
how cani say, it adds size with much less water than steroids alone would, but youll have soem water retention all the time.
it makes a good 260lbs a better 260lbs,hard to put in words
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Get GH serum test done, cheap insurance, make sure your not wasting time and money, lots of fakes and imitations out there
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good idea...can it be done via an website or how?
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ro, what do you change in diet when contest time comes around?
hm i dont find it that much,actually.am suprised someone his size isnt eating more
X2..i thought you eat a LOT more than this lol
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X2..i thought you eat a LOT more than this lol
can you eat much more solid food than this yourself without feeling like a bloated pig?
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can you eat much more solid food than this yourself without feeling like a bloated pig?
I was pretty shocked at how little I REALLY need to grow.
Tried to "force" the gains, didn't work out so well. Didn't get fat, just a little soft. I can eat ultra-high calories with a ketogenic diet though and that works quite well if I am going through a strength phase
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Keeping all other variables at a stand still & following the exact same protocol (food, workouts, gear etc.) as before GH & then adding in a mere 20iu GH spread over 6 days (3.3iu a day for 6 days), I tend to gain at least 3-5lbs water in the 1st two weeks.
Then I don't seem much more weight, but I am constantly full, stronger & have more drive within 5-7 days.
The nicer skin comes in at about a month.
At this dose, I can run it indefinitely with no problems. It's when I up the dose to 5iu+ per day is where the hand & joint pain issues & excessive edema & BP start to make like not too comfortable.
I've just learned from experience that I'd rather take a lower dose, feel great, look better & get slow yet consistent gains than take a larger dose that accentuates sided & makes life miserable & in turn leads to me having to stop GH usage early due to excessive hand/joint issues.
How pros take 30iu+ a day is still mind boggling for me.
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good idea...can it be done via an website or how?
http://www.privatemdlabs.com
log on, sign up, 10 IU IM, 3 hours prior
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http://www.privatemdlabs.com
log on, sign up, 10 IU IM, 3 hours prior
I looked that that site before a long time ago and it seems its only for residents of the US. If I'm not mistaken BigRo is from the UK?
I wanted to get blood work done with that lab as well but couldn't since I'm not in the US.
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Oh dang! I failed to think of the mother land! Sometimes us Californians think the world revolves around us! :-) ;D
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With 20 ius I notice gains right away.
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I looked that that site before a long time ago and it seems its only for residents of the US. If I'm not mistaken BigRo is from the UK?
I wanted to get blood work done with that lab as well but couldn't since I'm not in the US.
If you call Ireland the UK again I'll murder you through the internet
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With 20 ius I notice gains right away.
is that with pharma or generics Dr J?
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If you call Ireland the UK again I'll murder you through the internet
haha true enough.
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haha true enough.
I know northern Ireland is separate from the republic of Ireland, but are they separated socially?
as in, do north Ireland folks get chocked up from being "from another country" so to speak
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If you call Ireland the UK again I'll murder you through the internet
That's why I said "if I'm not mistaken", I guess I was mistaken. Had no idea where he was from, I just know he wasn't from US or Canada but somewhere in the vicinity of the UK.
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You really shouldn't melt like that over a mistake, especially a benign mistake like this. Many people assume I'm Russian because I speak Russian, but in reality I've never even been to Russia. But when people assume I'm from Russia I correct them, and if they keep saying I'm Russian I couldn't care less. This whole national pride crap needs to stop, no one should care where you happened to be born and if people insist I'm Russian, they can think what they want. No need for virtual murder ;)
</Rant> ;D
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That's why I said "if I'm not mistaken", I guess I was mistaken. Had no idea where he was from, I just know he wasn't from US or Canada but somewhere in the vicinity of the UK.
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You really shouldn't melt like that over a mistake, especially a benign mistake like this. Many people assume I'm Russian because I speak Russian, but in reality I've never even been to Russia. But when people assume I'm from Russia I correct them, and if they keep saying I'm Russian I couldn't care less. This whole national pride crap needs to stop, no one should care where you happened to be born and if people insist I'm Russian, they can think what they want. No need for virtual murder ;)
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oh brother, thug it out. dont explain yourself to people here.
you ruski twat.
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oh brother, thug it out. dont explain yourself to people here.
you ruski twat.
;D
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I know northern Ireland is separate from the republic of Ireland, but are they separated socially?
as in, do north Ireland folks get chocked up from being "from another country" so to speak
For some people they may be separate socially. For nationalists and republicans it is all one Ireland and only divided politically. For Unionists and Loyalists they consider Northern Ireland a separate country belonging to Britain. I would like to see a United Ireland where Catholics and Protestants can live side by side peacefully, I think it is owed to the Irish as an apology for hundreds of years of inhumane treatment. However those in power in the Republic are not much better so there's a lot that needs to change to make a better Ireland.
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BigRoare you saying that you got your heavyweight body on only AAS and no growth hormone?
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Yes...used GH for 4 weeks now don't see anything laudable, probably need at least 4IU of actual growth per day to see anything.
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For some people they may be separate socially. For nationalists and republicans it is all one Ireland and only divided politically. For Unionists and Loyalists they consider Northern Ireland a separate country belonging to Britain. I would like to see a United Ireland where Catholics and Protestants can live side by side peacefully, I think it is owed to the Irish as an apology for hundreds of years of inhumane treatment. However those in power in the Republic are not much better so there's a lot that needs to change to make a better Ireland.
Is northern ireland still dangerous?
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not really and less so for tourists.
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Is feeling numbness in the fingers a sign your GH is low quality or good quality, I have heard two different opinions lately...
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Is feeling numbness in the fingers a sign your GH is low quality or good quality, I have heard two different opinions lately...
from what I gather feeling numbness at all is a good sign. At least you know its not HCG or so other BS peptide.
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Bp meds maybe.
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Bp meds maybe.
what?
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what?
Yeah. No clue either.
Anyways.
I would just be happy you have numbness in your hands. Thats a very common and documented side of legit GH. At least you can be moderately certain you didnt get snubbed and sold dreams instead of gh.
Do you mind saying what kind you picked up?
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Is feeling numbness in the fingers a sign your GH is low quality or good quality, I have heard two different opinions lately...
No The best brands of HGH like Humatrope will make your hands full numb and it will swell them up a bit. Def a sign your using real HGH. HUmatrope is one of the top 3 brands of HGH in the world it might be the best and it def makes your hands numb.
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what?
Eh thats was fluid retention sides.
I 'heard' some of the hgh fakers put in blood pressure meds and other fillers to elicit these known sides like "fluid retention" and "tingly hands" because thats what a lot of people are going by to judge if the hgh is legit or not.
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So the guy who said tingling was a sign it is low quality said EP Eurotropin (the one kit I have used with minimal results) pay extra to get their GH from the top of the barrel and its the stuff at the bottom that tingles? lol
I havent purchased any more so was wandering about this issue, A guy who uses Genetech GH says it makes his fingers a bit numb. Others have also been having results with Genetech...
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The idea behind the numbness is that;
Legit GH --> Elevated IGF1 --> IGF1 causes soft tissues to swell (water) --> Compressions of nerves --> Symptoms of neuropathy (numbness, tingling in hands, and for some feet)
You can always test your igf1 levels, as they should be chronically elevated and reached a steady state after a few weeks of the gh usage. While testing gh levels directly is quite unreliable even if you supply it exogenously.
It does however not rule out the fact that it could be cheaper ghrps in the vials.
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So the guy who said tingling was a sign it is low quality said EP Eurotropin (the one kit I have used with minimal results) pay extra to get their GH from the top of the barrel and its the stuff at the bottom that tingles? lol
I havent purchased any more so was wandering about this issue, A guy who uses Genetech GH says it makes his fingers a bit numb. Others have also been having results with Genetech...
HGH takes time to work. The smartest thing to do is buy the HGH from somebody who has a legit prescription so you know what you are getting is real 191-AA HGH. HGH is so expensive it is the #1 faked Hormone. Their is also alot of low grade chinese HGH that floats around too and alot of the kits are not 191-AA branch chained HGH. There is also some very good chinese HGH that is 191-AA so it can be real hit and miss buying it off the black market.
It does take a few months to notice alot of gains when taking HGH unless you are using a insane amount. The few things that you should notice pretty quick is your skin should look better. Your hands should get a little numb,you should get faster nail and hair growth plus faster recovery from workouts. You should notice some fat loss even after just a month. Within 3 months maybe 4 months you will start to get more round 3 dimensional look if you are using a good amount and by good amount I mean at least 6-8 IU's a day of Pharma HGH or top notch UGL HGH. Not all chinese HGH is shit. Try to get Alpha-Pharmas Vitex HGH or their are some guys overseas by you who can get real Pharma grade HGH but it is super expensive but 100% real 191-AA HGH.
In the end HGH is of course a bit over-rated. I think all steroids are a bit over-rated. HGH is great stuff if you use pharma grade or have a great source for generic chinese HGH but that is a riskier purchase. HGH will def work great along especially if you can afford a big dose per day but if you really want the best results and are shooting for a pro card you might check into using a Insulin protocol along with the HGH.
It just depends on how serious you are about bodybuilding. Nothing I would do, but I know alot of guys who say HGH is kind of a waste unless you are also using a insulin protocol. The two drugs work synergistically together causing a massive muscle building effect that is when you really start getting that 3 dimensional look but you can also look puffy and soft if you don't do the insulin protocol correctly. Like i said HGH works fine solo but it works way better when you incorporate insulin. Screw eurotropin go with Alpha-Pharmas vitex 191-AA HGH.
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good post thanks Whitewidow. I will look in to Alpha Pharma GH. I have novarapid but only used it about 5 times, I am now 10 weeks out from competition so not sure whether to add it back in the mix, maybe 5-10iu post workout?
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good post thanks Whitewidow. I will look in to Alpha Pharma GH. I have novarapid but only used it about 5 times, I am now 10 weeks out from competition so not sure whether to add it back in the mix, maybe 5-10iu post workout?
hope you do well bruv,you going to update after comp if you win etc?
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thanks, yeah I will put up a pic once my glutes are shredded lol
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holy shit
big ro is gonna get HUGE now
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good post thanks Whitewidow. I will look in to Alpha Pharma GH. I have novarapid but only used it about 5 times, I am now 10 weeks out from competition so not sure whether to add it back in the mix, maybe 5-10iu post workout?
It can't hurt to add it back in. Do you notice any water retention at all? As long as your neck and face are not getting puffy throw it back in for a month.I am just wondering at this point has it done anything to improve your physique? I am not saying your HGH is bunk but you might not be HGH deficient. If you are not HGH deficient the drug might not do much for you and in the end you might just spend alot of money for nothing. I would find a brand you know is 110% legit and run it for 4 months and you should see some very notciable changes.
I must say you look great without even using HGH. It might be a good idea to experiment with HGH during the off-season so you don't waste time or money on what your doing now.
I don't think it will hurt to add in the HGH but next time around experiement with the HGH for longer. Use it during your off-season and experiment with diffrent brands it is weird how some brands work way better then other brands even if it is Human grade. Pfizer genotropin is one of the most expensive brands but for some reason it makes me hold more water then serostim or humatrope. The genotropin gives me a moon face look and a real thick neck. That genotropin is the type of HGH that makes your cranium bigger. I don't notcie that with serostim or any of the other brands.
The guys who are having the best luck with HGH are also using a insulin protocol. I know some pros who don;t use a Insulin proitocol j8ust the HGH but the ones who look the best are all using a Insulin protocol along with the HGH protocol and they all swear HGH is pointless without the insulin protocol "Vice Versa" Insulin is shit without a HGH protocol.
No matter what you look great without the HGH. You might not be HGH deficient in that case that HGH will improve your physique very little if at all. just depends on if you are HGH deficient or willing to do a insulin protocol. I personally would def experiment with HGH more in the off-season and try out diffrent brands and also experiment with diffrent dosages.Just like any drug start low and build up slowly. Good luck on your show. Your a beast! You have proven to all of us you can get shredded! focus on coming in more shredded and striated as ever and work on your back! Great big detailed backs are winning shows these days. Your back can never be too big!
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So if you're not HGH deficient then GH doesn't work? Wrong. It works no matter what. You're going far above replacement levels when taking GH so it doesn't matter whether or not you're deficient to begin with. The most important thing is to buy pharm grade GH. Serostim, Humatrope, Genotropin, etc. if you can't get one of these, or some other Rx Grade GH, then don't bother using it. It works great while dieting without slin. If you're trying to put on size, then use slin, and up the GH dose.
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So if you're not HGH deficient then GH doesn't work? Wrong. It works no matter what. You're going far above replacement levels when taking GH so it doesn't matter whether or not you're deficient to begin with. The most important thing is to buy pharm grade GH. Serostim, Humatrope, Genotropin, etc. if you can't get one of these, or some other Rx Grade GH, then don't bother using it. It works great while dieting without slin. If you're trying to put on size, then use slin, and up the GH dose.
I am not saying it is not effective but if your taking a small dose like 2-4 iU's and you are not HGH deficent it will not make the world of diffrence especially without a insulin protocol. Like I also stated the guys I know who have the best luck with HGH are also using big doses of human grade and using a insulin protocol.
You are def right you have to use a brand of human grade HGH. The chinese HGH is just to hit and miss(not saying all chinese HGH is crap,but way safer to just buy Human grade HGH). Not arguing with you but if you think 2-4 IU's is going to make a big diffrence to someones physique especially to somebody who is not HGH deficient your wrong.
Have you seen BigRo shredded? I doubt using 2-4IU's of HGH even Pharma grade without a insulin protocol would make that much of a diffrence especially with the amount of time he has been using it. He has not been using it for months. Now if he bought some REAL Authentic human grade HGH and used it for a few months and slowly raised the dose up to where he is taking 8-12 IU's a day we would see a diffrence in his physique.
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I noticed significant effects in 2 weeks. I was using 15 IU daily of legit prescription Omnitrope. Bit of lethargy which i think is from the hyperglycemia (next time will add a little insulin) and BIG TIME swelling in my feet and ankles. Hillary Clinton Cankles i call them. Little pain in the wrist. Thats it for negatives, but the positives were great. Slept much better, sense of well-being similar to dbol, and definitely got leaner in the midsection. The longer you stay on the better. I would use at least 4 IU daily to notice good things, but 2 IU is not horrible. 15 IU was too much for me in hindsight. The swelling and blood sugar issues were rough.
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I am not saying it is not effective but if your taking a small dose like 2-4 iU's and you are not HGH deficent it will not make the world of diffrence especially without a insulin protocol. Like I also stated the guys I know who have the best luck with HGH are also using big doses of human grade and using a insulin protocol.
You are def right you have to use a brand of human grade HGH. The chinese HGH is just to hit and miss(not saying all chinese HGH is crap,but way safer to just buy Human grade HGH). Not arguing with you but if you think 2-4 IU's is going to make a big diffrence to someones physique especially to somebody who is not HGH deficient your wrong.
Have you seen BigRo shredded? I doubt using 2-4IU's of HGH even Pharma grade without a insulin protocol would make that much of a diffrence especially with the amount of time he has been using it. He has not been using it for months. Now if he bought some REAL Authentic human grade HGH and used it for a few months and slowly raised the dose up to where he is taking 8-12 IU's a day we would see a diffrence in his physique.
I have a brother that competes nationally as a super heavy and he just added 4 iu of Humatrope about a month ago. Was previously using Rips. Big difference already. It doesn't take much or long at all with legit Rx GH to see significant changes. This is on someone that has used generics for years, and competed for years. No slin with it right now either. Generics are simply junk in comparison.
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I have a brother that competes nationally as a super heavy and he just added 4 iu of Humatrope about a month ago. Was previously using Rips. Big difference already. It doesn't take much or long at all with legit Rx GH to see significant changes. This is on someone that has used generics for years, and competed for years. No slin with it right now either. Generics are simply junk in comparison.
Yes that sounds right. I just think if you use HGH you should use it for quite a bit before competition. I also am a firm believer in Human grade HGH or top notch UGL- HGH that has been 3rd party tested. If you cannot afford the prices some guys want your going to have to use some UGL-HGH.
I just think it is a good idea to play around with a few brands because even if you use USA FDA approved 191-AA HGH it is odd how some brands will make you hold more water then others
This is of course all diffrent depending on the person. HGH will def make BigRo a better Bodybuilder but over time not overnight. It will take a little bit of time before he finds a brand that works best for him.
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Yes that sounds right. I just think if you use HGH you should use it for quite a bit before competition. I also am a firm believer in Human grade HGH or top notch UGL- HGH that has been 3rd party tested. If you cannot afford the prices some guys want your going to have to use some UGL-HGH.
I just think it is a good idea to play around with a few brands because even if you use USA FDA approved 191-AA HGH it is odd how some brands will make you hold more water then others
This is of course all diffrent depending on the person. HGH will def make BigRo a better Bodybuilder but over time not overnight. It will take a little bit of time before he finds a brand that works best for him.
Good point. I have used 3 different USA FDA approved GH: genotropin, humatrope, and omnitrope. The Genotropin was the best for me. Had the individual preloaded miniquick injectables that were great because no refrigeration was required. You would twist the plunger and it would mix the diluent into the powder right in the syringe. Great and convenient loved them. Strange because they should in theory be all the same. I just did not get the cankle swelling as bad on genotropin. Still had the blood sugar issues, but that is easily corrected with a small shot of slin.
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Yes that sounds right. I just think if you use HGH you should use it for quite a bit before competition. I also am a firm believer in Human grade HGH or top notch UGL- HGH that has been 3rd party tested. If you cannot afford the prices some guys want your going to have to use some UGL-HGH.
I just think it is a good idea to play around with a few brands because even if you use USA FDA approved 191-AA HGH it is odd how some brands will make you hold more water then others
This is of course all diffrent depending on the person. HGH will def make BigRo a better Bodybuilder but over time not overnight. It will take a little bit of time before he finds a brand that works best for him.
You're correct how different Rx GH affects people differently. For example, Serostim makes me so hungry I can eat all day long. Humatrope makes me hungry as well, but not like Seros. Genotropin makes me hold less water than the other two, even with a shit diet. Although I hold very little water on any of the 3. Bottom line is you just have to try different brands and find your favorite. You can't go wrong with any Rx GH, they're all excellent.
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How long for you to notice increase penis size from hgh?
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How long for you to notice increase penis size from hgh?
Where does it say HGH increases Penis size? Maybe if you used the HGH when you were very young and were a kid who didn't go through puberty correctly it might increase your penis size but for most guys who went through Puberty like a normal person I doubt it will make your penis bigger permanently. I have noticed maybe somewhat of a increase of penis size and girth but nothing that impressive.
They call it "Human growth Hormone" and I myself am short and I have not grown a Inch from using HGH. Lee priest is like 5ft 4IN maybe 5ft 5IN and he has been accused of being doped with HGH since he was 14 years old and when he was asked about it he said"if that was true I want a refund! I'm 5ft 4In for fucks sake"
I think using HGH during your puberty use might have some advantages. It probably would help you get a bit taller and increase certain deficiency's you might have. I know for a fact They pump kids in Highchool who have NBA potential with HGH. I went to school with a kid who decided in highschool he wanted to play College/NBA basketball but did not quite have the height or size needed.
He was not deficient in any way just didn't have the genetics and they doped him with HGH legally because he was good enough just didn't quite have the height or size needed. Anyway he just didn"t like doing the daily injections and decided to give it up. he was only 16 years old and having to shoot HGH everyday. It is harder to do when you are that young. He was only prescribed HGH because that was what he needed to have a fighting chance of playing college/NBA basketball and if they put my friend on HGH they definately do it for other players as well. These kids get scouted young and get told what to do and most of them do chase that dream and do whatever they are told.
HGH might work for height I think it just depends on certain guys genetics! You wonder why some guys who play basketball and are all-state players are already 18/19 years old and all of a sudden they shoot up 4-6 inches in a summer I tend to think it is because of HGH and not genetics. I have heard the storys of guys who grow almost a nfoot in a year at the age of 20 years old that just is not natural def some kind of doping involved as far as it making your penis grow though maybe if it is used more at the way younger age before somebody is done with puberty it might work.heard of guys growing 4-12 inches in height but there dicks don't grow like that. It def could help somebody grow a normal size penis but it has to be very rare circumstances and used at the right age.