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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wolfox on January 30, 2014, 04:01:38 AM
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From my experience, I have to agree. I did 750mg a week of pharma grade test and I did 1.5 grams of ugl compounds and I was very disapointed with the UGL compounds ..
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he doesnt know what hes talking about, just a meat head
if you knew anything about organic chem , you would know steroids are pretty straight forward to make. The stuff coming from china is 95-98% pure most of the time, they have chemists and facilities that can make huge ammounts of the stuff of a high purity. They have no reason to underdose it , because they can make more than they can sell.
the people who underdose it are the resellers and ugl's who dont know how to properly suspend gear or what the fuck they are doing, steroids are cheap in raw form and if you can find your self a private ugl with a guy who knows how to make the gear you will be fine.
These guys who say shit like "bro 250 mgs of sustonon is like 1000 mgs of ugl shit" are just pushing the pharma stuff. Apart from sterility there is no reason to use HG.
and testing purity is not hard, its just about melting point.... and the literature melting point is pretty easy to find... so you compare the powder you got to that and you can gauge purity.
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he doesnt know what hes talking about, just a meat head
if you knew anything about organic chem , you would know steroids are pretty straight forward to make. The stuff coming from china is 95-98% pure most of the time, they have chemists and facilities that can make huge ammounts of the stuff of a high purity. They have no reason to underdose it , because they can make more than they can sell.
the people who underdose it are the resellers and ugl's who dont know how to properly suspend gear or what the fuck they are doing, steroids are cheap in raw form and if you can find your self a private ugl with a guy who knows how to make the gear you will be fine.
These guys who say shit like "bro 250 mgs of sustonon is like 1000 mgs of ugl shit" are just pushing the pharma stuff. Apart from sterility there is no reason to use HG.
and testing purity is not hard, its just about melting point.... and the literature melting point is pretty easy to find... so you compare the powder you got to that and you can gauge purity.
the UG market is 70% fake and 30% severely underdosed or with different chemical components than the intended product. Everybody lies and scams. Sad
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he doesnt know what hes talking about, just a meat head
if you knew anything about organic chem , you would know steroids are pretty straight forward to make. The stuff coming from china is 95-98% pure most of the time, they have chemists and facilities that can make huge ammounts of the stuff of a high purity. They have no reason to underdose it , because they can make more than they can sell.
I dunno but I find that reallllly hard to believe. This is china we're talking about. If left unchecked they are the kings of cutting corners to save a dime.
but yeah I could see how most of the purity issues come from the resellers of powders and ugls rather than the manufactures.
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the UG market is 70% fake and 30% severely underdosed or with different chemical components than the intended product. Everybody lies and scams. Sad
you're just angry you have shit response to steroids
I know a guy who is skinny fat and a kid (literally a kid..18) who is squatting 240 kilos for reps on half a gram.. of the same steroids.
the real secret of the pros is their response to steroids and the ability to take a ton of them without getting sides. That's all. Ofcourse than come the proportions, leanness, roundness etc, but there is so many factors to a good body... its why you dont see many of them around ,even on lots of steroids.
People will always blame steroids to escape reality
steroids are simply to make, china makes most of the raws that are in your pharma grade meds.. anyway
use HG if you want ,good for you.. but here deca is 50mg/ml... yea have fun injecting 10 mls of that
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Bios 3 is the truth!
So basically I need to take a trip to Mexico or Thailand soon.
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Bios 3 is the truth!
So basically I need to take a trip to Mexico or Thailand soon.
I was thinking about heading to Mexico. Lots of people I talk to that have actually been there recently say its not all cartel gore like the media portrays it.
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you're just angry you have shit response to steroids
I know a guy who is skinny fat and a kid (literally a kid..18) who is squatting 240 kilos for reps on half a gram.. of the same steroids.
the real secret of the pros is their response to steroids and the ability to take a ton of them without getting sides. That's all. Ofcourse than come the proportions, leanness, roundness etc, but there is so many factors to a good body... its why you dont see many of them around ,even on lots of steroids.
People will always blame steroids to escape reality
steroids are simply to make, china makes most of the raws that are in your pharma grade meds.. anyway
use HG if you want ,good for you.. but here deca is 50mg/ml... yea have fun injecting 10 mls of that
or maybe you have some interest in promoting UG ;) "jovo"
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I have to agree with jovo this guy is full of shit! I've used a ton of human grade sustanon amps hundreds of them. The ugl sustanon I get is just as good or better. I get the 300mg per ml with more prop from ugls. Things like pharmacy grade primo I believe that would be better and anavar but test deca tren if you have a good ugl your fine.
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or maybe you have some interest in promoting UG ;) "jovo"
maybe go educate your self a bit and use reason and logic to come to a conclusion.
you are a stupid fuck who only has surface knowledge on the topics that come up here every now and then.
"ugl is 70% fake and 30% underdosed"
no buddy, you just have no connections and when you did get lucky 1 in 3 times, you were blocked by avarage genetics.
Its not in a huge companies interest that make 1000's of different compounds to go out and underdose the steroids in particular. There is no conspiracy.
It's not hard to guage the quality and purity of a compound by looking at it and doing a few simply tests and comparing it to literature values
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What jovo says makes a lot of sense.
Gotta find out who is supplying powder to the ugl you're using. Straight from the manufacture or is there a middle man and 2-3 exchanges before the 'raw' hits your local ugl.
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What jovo says makes a lot of sense.
Gotta find out who is supplying powder to the ugl you're using. Straight from the manufacture or is there a middle man and 2-3 exchanges before the 'raw' hits your local ugl.
thats the only thing. Work with professionals and you're fine.
Thats like people here complainin about steroid prices, but they are buying it off of people who are passing it down 3-4 levels. Some even cutting it and relabeling etc.. lazy bbers man. Should look like Factory->china supplier->ugl->(reseller/you)-> you
if you are getting stuff from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that knows this big dudes dog then i got bad news for you son
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jovo what do you think about the big UGLs? The ones that bottle and stuff in I assume china, turkey, Romania etc
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I have to agree with jovo this guy is full of shit! I've used a ton of human grade sustanon amps hundreds of them. The ugl sustanon I get is just as good or better. I get the 300mg per ml with more prop from ugls. Things like pharmacy grade primo I believe that would be better and anavar but test deca tren if you have a good ugl your fine.
Yeah i think this is pretty spot on. rHGH is hard to make...... steroids, not so much
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pharma vs ugl
the never ending debate continues
relevant to my interests
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I know a dealer that is always trying to sell me ugl bogus stuff although he knows i only want stuff from pharmacies. His and his supplier profits are a lot bigger with ugl.
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if i get thru my supply i will buy pharm
but that gonna take a while
got like 11 vials to go
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if i get thru my supply i will buy pharm
but that gonna take a while
got like 11 vials to go
what brand of ug you running?
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what brand of ug you running?
i just went to eroids and took one of the highest rated suppliers
pretty sure they are all decent, just choose one you like
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i just went to eroids and took one of the highest rated suppliers
pretty sure they are all decent, just choose one you like
I'm asking you which did you choose?
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I'm asking you which did you choose?
im not sure if i sure if thats safe to discuss since its peds after all
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the UG market is 70% fake and 30% severely underdosed or with different chemical components than the intended product. Everybody lies and scams. Sad
That's a pretty bold statement.what makes you a authority other than personal experience.when someone makes statements based on emotion I tend not to respect or believe anything they say.
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im not sure if i sure if thats safe to discuss since its peds after all
Lolz have fun with their underdosed
Edit: LOLZ cleanest natural homo getting owned hahah
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Most raws are pretty good and products are usually dosed okay for the price. For painful compounds people under dose them slightly to reduce PIP. But stuff like test is simple and cheap. Aside from prop and ace which ate usually slightly under dosed, most compounds are pretty accurately dosed. Stuff like primo is another thing, but the common bread and butter compounds are relatively safe bets.
It's not really the raws and dosing that's the problem, it's sterility, oils and carriers, stuff like that. UGLs can use cheap oils and extra BA to "play it safe" and that can really bring the quality down. Not everyone sterilizes with autoclaves and dispenses products using laminar cabinets and all that fancy jazz, it's usually brewed in a room that's hopefully sterile, with vials and whatman filters purchased from whomever has the best deals online, etc. I know guys who try hard because you can make an exponentially safer and better product with minimal efforts. But when important steps are skipped the quality suffers.
I met a decent hookup and brewed test and tren in big vials for personal use and it was easy and economical. If that's not an option, try purchasing above the local guys head if you can. The higher you move up the chain the more you can know about their standards and protocols. Most guys that aren't jaded and disenchanted with bodybuilding take pride in their work and are competitive. If not, a competitor will do better and take their clients. Simple as that.
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The only diff is the dosage and amount of BA used
The premise is that pharma is made in a lab thus requiring less BA maybe 0.05%
Then u have ugl's but it varies based on their lab equipment and sterility of lab supplies
You just have to trust ur dealer, you can get really good ugl's from china
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or maybe you have some interest in promoting UG ;) "jovo"
As Spike already pointed out, there's not a huge reason to use HG over UGL unless you just have shitty access to UGL. Most third world bombed out shit holes such as the country you are from don't offer such quality. Get a solid UGL and it's very comparable to HG and costs a lot less.
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Lolz have fun with their underdosed
Dang...
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he makes sense given when police confiscate steroids some are analysed and 90% are not what they say they are (underdosed or not even the same chemicals)..... look at the illegal drug industry as a whole..... for example most ecstasy tablets contain mde instead of mdma......
you are only kidding yourself if you think an illegal drug creator will not cut corners to make more profit..... they care how much money THEY make not how big YOU get......
I guarantee most of you roid heads are using bunk gear.....
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Lolz have fun with their underdosed
Edit: LOLZ cleanest natural homo getting owned hahah
ive used naps..... like them... used geneza pharm gear... tren and test seemed fine.
using euro pharm righr now... also seems fine.
im assuming since im not giving out websites or contact info this is om, if not, feel free to remove.
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bios3 is full of shit watch this guy he says he took 3600mgs of anabolics without counting gh and peptides
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bios3 is full of shit watch this guy he says he took 3600mgs of anabolics without counting gh and peptides
These are some good vids. It is good to see a pro tell exactly what he was doing at the time.
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Absolute bullshit.
Labs like alpha pharma are absolutely superb.
Obviously there are some ugls which are garbage and sell fake tren. But generally if you do some research you can weed out the crappy ones.
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If your dealer doesn't make the stuff on his own but you know he owns a crimp tool, find someone else to purchase from ;)
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One of the common problems I see with ugls on the net is their var is usually dbol.
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One of the common problems I see with ugls on the net is their var is usually dbol.
Yeah I'd say anavar is the least likely compound you're actually going to get when buying something from a ugl called anavar.
The problem is the price of production, which I am to understand is high for anavar compared to other orals. So anavar is the one thing I would attempt to go pharma with.
Ouch pricey though. Especially when the fuckers produce 10mg tablets, who the fuck takes 10mg of anavar?
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Standard drugs - Test, deca, eq, dbol, adrol should be fine, cheap Raws and too much competition to underdosed these.
Tren can def be underdosed as sides can occur at low doses so they can get away with it.
Most var is usually Winstrol. Tried some bd.eu var and blew up like I was on dbol.
Stay away from blends..they'll definitely be fucking you over there.
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Speaking of Var, does anyone have a UGL that they can vouch is actually Var? My wife is looking into it and I want to make sure she doesn't get Dbol or Winny.
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I dunno but I find that reallllly hard to believe. This is china we're talking about. If left unchecked they are the kings of cutting corners to save a dime.
but yeah I could see how most of the purity issues come from the resellers of powders and ugls rather than the manufactures.
You have literally no chance of being ripped off buying powder from a china factory. They make a massive profit as it is, and these are mostly government owned chem factories. the main issue is potential contamination and sterility.
UG's on the other hand are garbage, you would have to be fucked in the head to use most of the 'Chef' products out there. Some meathead in a basement making up for questionable sterilization by megadosing the BA
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Speaking of Var, does anyone have a UGL that they can vouch is actually Var? My wife is looking into it and I want to make sure she doesn't get Dbol or Winny.
Alpha pharma. If not stick to low low dose Winny for 4 weeks max
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ampules, yeah those aren't faked. hilarious