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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MAXX on February 07, 2014, 01:43:04 PM
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I just thought about this. There really is no pics at all of Mike During 82-90's? Totally disapeared out of the spotlight.
I read that he used amphetamines and went insane? And I remember some source that said he was institutionalized for mental issues or something like that. True?
beating an old horse here i know..
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aids?
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aids?
what's your problem you pos
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'my name is Mike Mentzer, but Arnold calls me 'hey you in the bushes!!''
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'my name is Mike Mentzer, but Arnold calls me 'hey you in the bushes!!''
not following the reference. guess it's some american saying that I didn't grow up with.
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There are some pics, but they've never seem to make it up online. He looked bad in them, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him and your average bulky man. The few candid ones I've seen show him smoking, pretty fat, and eating doughnuts by the box full. He also had a fondness for Zubaz or sweat pants which added to the look. The one saving grace was that his face stayed leanish through those years.
Losing the Olympia did a number on him, coupled with heavy amphetamine use. There are stories of him running around naked, hiding thinking Arnold was sending hitmen after him, etc.... Real speed freak stuff.
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There are some pics, but they've never seem to make it up online. He looked bad in them, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him and your average bulky man. The few candid ones I've seen show him smoking, pretty fat, and eating doughnuts by the box full. He also had a fondness for Zubaz or sweat pants which added to the look. The one saving grace was that his face stayed leanish through those years.
Losing the Olympia did a number on him, coupled with heavy amphetamine use. There are stories of him running around naked, hiding thinking Arnold was sending hitmen after him, etc.... Real speed freak stuff.
I read it was because his father died and his business and bb mag didn't do as well as he'd hoped. The 80 Olympia made him sour on competing for sure.
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listen Kids he was a Legend in his own right. Sure not all of the Bodybuilders of his time trained Heavy Duty But the Mentzers were an influence...
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cool guy but i dont believe in hit
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listen Kids he was a Legend in his own right. Sure not all of the Bodybuilders of his time trained Heavy Duty But the Mentzers were an influence...
Dude.. I dont disagree with you there. Mentzer was my idol in my teens when i started lifting. Admired the physique and enjoyed his writings. Just wondering about these things because it's not very clear info on what happened in those years.
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I read it was because his father died and his business and bb mag didn't do as well as he'd hoped. The 80 Olympia made him sour on competing for sure.
Perhaps his father dying, but I'm not sure about the business end being a bust. The magazine did end, but there was a guy on another board that had business dealings with him in the early 80's that mentioned that Mentzer was still getting crates of mail every week with orders and offers to host seminars, but Mike just didn't have the drive to do many things anymore.
He annoyed Arthur Jones enough during those years too, that Jones wouldn't even take a meeting with him after a certain point.
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Perhaps his father dying, but I'm not sure about the business end being a bust. The magazine did end, but there was a guy on another board that had business dealings with him in the early 80's that mentioned that Mentzer was still getting crates of mail every week with orders and offers to host seminars, but Mike just didn't have the drive to do many things anymore.
He annoyed Arthur Jones enough during those years too, that Jones wouldn't even take a meeting with him after a certain point.
Alright. Guess he fell deep into drug abuse in the 80's. Too bad.
some good info in this thread by Vince.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=207762.125
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Dude had it all - brain, looks and muscle.
I remember being in shock about how he looked later on in life... remember the tape where he trained that queer german Marcus. A buddy and I used to laugh so hard about him and his brother Ray that we had tears running down our cheeks... I felt real guilty after laughing. :D
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Dude had it all - brain, looks and muscle.
I remember being in shock about how he looked later on in life... remember the tape where he trained that queer german Marcus. A buddy and I used to laugh so hard about him and his brother Ray that we had tears running down our cheeks... I felt real guilty after laughing. :D
Mike died hours after the filming finished and Ray 2 days later. You are watching dead men walking there.
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were mike and ray the same person?
even seen at same time?
i think hit is good and mike was awesome for a short guy
his training methods and talking seemed too long winded to me
i was like dude
simplify
I think anyone do 1 controled set of a few basic movements and 1 minute run as fast as you can every other day will make progress esp when eating balanced meals and getting 8 hour sleep
I think miek confused long winded with smart.
The smartest things are genius simple and concise.
I wonder if he got aids seriously, like I suspect wilt chamerlain of getting.
Quick deterioration physically as the drugs grind down the body systems sustaing him.
then sudden end
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I read all the Mike Mentzer materials I could find, and own all the videos and the seminars I could find of his. I learned as much as I could from his writings, I thought he was a genius and a lot of advice (way more precise than his peers who seemed completely uneducated in comparison) regardless of the drug use later in his career and whatever else may have happened to his mental health. Objectively, you can't deny that he had a huge impact on the science of (over) training and influenced a great number of athletes.
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With that creepy combination of pedo glasses and stache, it's safe to say that Mike Mentzer was the Jerry Sandusky of bodybuilding during '82-'90s.
Hope this helps.
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what's your problem you pos
watch yourself son I might have to bust you up for talking like that
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I had heard he had done some jail time for assaulting a bank security guard.
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Tommy would know more specifics cuz I never was n still am not a gym socializer but tommy worked the counter. I used to see mentzer all the time back in the day looking like a homeless potbellied shrimp. He would hang out in Venice golds parking lot mumbling n rambling nonsense. He was kicked out fir a while at least that was the story back then. Eventually he got unbanned n I guess somewhat straightened up cuz I began seeing him training guys back in golds shortly before he died. That's all I got. But this was in the late 80s very early 90s? Not sure wen he died can't remember. Mentzer did look incredible back in the day!
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Both of these vids were made circa '82-'83
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the pic in the first post says it all
bitches all over the guy
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(http://static1.demorgen.be/static/photo/2012/3/4/13/20121124100710/media_xl_5351638.jpg)
in jail
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I just thought about this. There really is no pics at all of Mike During 82-90's? Totally disapeared out of the spotlight.
I read that he used amphetamines and went insane? And I remember some source that said he was institutionalized for mental issues or something like that. True?
beating an old horse here i know..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=517190.0;attach=554001;image)
1, 2, 3
Do HIT. Bitches love HIT
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The word nerdy comes to mind when I see the brothers speak on camera.
Not very cool.
Mentzer made me think back in the day but later I realized his theories weren't very scientific.
Programming by reading Ayn Rand doesn't work.
I still believe in relatively low volume though. And I believe in the strength/size connection.
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Heavily involved in methamphetamine. Lost his mind from it. Used it originally to be a productive genius. To use his own words. He tried to start a magazine but it failed. Back in the day he was making 200k a year which was a huge sum of money back then but went from that to nothing. He would waste his money on stuff like movie making equipment that he knew nothing about. Invested everything in his magazine that he lost. He even wrote back in the day when he was competing that he worried steroid and speed were having an effect on his mental health.
Him and Arnold patched things up toward the end of his life. He finally by most accounts got off drugs and began training people. Since he was now a trainer he came up with this crazy training systems that he never used. It was training them for 15 to 20 minutes and not training again for 5 plus days. Very convenient for a personal trainer. That's why I suspect almost all trainers are HIT guys. At least to their clients.
When he won the Mr. America he would train his whole body in one shot. It was a mixture of free weights and nautilus. From there he went to dividing his body in half. This is the split he used. Day one: Thighs, chest and triceps. Day two: back, delt and biceps. He would train 4 days a week with that split. Mr. Florida Frank Calta trained in a similar way except he used what he called rotation for recuperation. Mentzer read of this and further changed his routine. He didn't follow a calender but monitored how he felt. His rotation when like this. Monday and Friday were thighs, chest and triceps. On Wednesday he would train back, shoulders and bicep. So one side of the split would get hit twice and the other once a week. Next week he would reverse it so Monday would be Back, delts, and biceps with legs, chest and tricep being hit once on Wednesdays. Friday it would be back, delts and bicep. Every week he would rotate it like Frank Calta. It was his most productive routine. 6 sets and under per body part. Some like biceps sometimes received only three.
There is a controversy about the amount of sets he used. David Young who posts here said he trained in the same gym as both Mentzer and Viator. He said and why would I not believe him that both used a lot more sets than what they wrote about.
That blond in the picture is Cathy Gelfo. She was Mike's girlfriend. She dumped him and it really hurt Mike. Maybe she couldn't take his mood swings from speed and steroids? I don't know. She married bodybuilder Clint Beyerle who I think came from money and became a chiropractor.
Mike Mentzer is one of the biggest influences on bodybuilding. The foot print he left was huge. I think I have just about every article he ever wrote. It was tragic that his brother died so closely to him. I often wonder if it was a suicide?
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Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.
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Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.
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If I remember he only died a day or two later. Really sad.
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Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.
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If I remember he only died a day or two later. Really sad.
True I know nothing about dialysis maybe you die quickly if you miss one.
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The word nerdy comes to mind when I see the brothers speak on camera.
Not very cool.
Mentzer made me think back in the day but later I realized his theories weren't very scientific.
Programming by reading Ayn Rand doesn't work.
I still believe in relatively low volume though. And I believe in the strength/size connection.
yes a muscle nerd. :D
I agree that logic or true science was not always applied, what was speaking was often inspired from methaphysics and philosophy. And yes the theories where largely adopted from people he admired himself like Ayn Rand Author Jones.
Smart guy in some ways but very stubborn in his theories. He was eloquent and intelligent and brought up some interesting points. Leave it at that :)
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I often hear how intelligent he was but he always told people how intelligent he was too. He was a pre med major but he dropped out.
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His and Jones ideas/theories freed a lot of guys from the notion that you had to be in the gym twice a day for 2 hours at a time. Bodybuilding isn't your life, it can be a part of your life. Only the delusional think otherwise. They're the ones that wake up one day living in a van outside a gOld's Gym (down by the river!) calling themselves a "guru".
As I get older I try to adapt his concepts to my training to fit the aches and pains of age and exercise past. I have a life. A good one and exercise is a part of it. Thanks to Mentzer, it's not all of it.
In many ways, he and Jones were right. At least where my training is concerned.
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I saw Mike frequently in the years, months, weeks prior to his demise. We were friends.
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Both of these vids were made circa '82-'83
the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.
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the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.
That's most likely the truth, seeing as how Jones had him on a very low cal diet at that time as well. It's possible to gain a bit of muscle while losing fat on a low cal diet, but only if your bodyfat is relatively high ie. 10-12% at the start of the diet and training program.
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I often hear how intelligent he was but he always told people how intelligent he was too. He was a pre med major but he dropped out.
Didn't Palumbo claim the same thing?
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Jerry Brainum apparently read the coroners report and speculates that they both died of morphine overdose
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the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.
He lost size because he stopped taking Steroids.
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I saw Mike frequently in the years, months, weeks prior to his demise. We were friends.
Looks awesome in that pic
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He lost size because he stopped taking Steroids.
I bet you're right on target. It looks like he was off cycle.
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I bet you're right on target. It looks like he was off cycle.
Its true. Jones always said all the guys who came out to Nautilus (in deland florida?) were off steroids.The only one who was actually clean was Boyer. He was pretty small there.
According to Jones Casey was supposedly clean during the colorado experiment. LOL.
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Mike died hours after the filming finished and Ray 2 days later. You are watching dead men walking there.
Man thats sad, death by Weider Carear Choke
One looks to have already had a stroke and talking utter nonesenseness and the other smoking a ciger like some sort of deluded victor of something
We all gotta get old I guess
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Mike died hours after the filming finished and Ray 2 days later. You are watching dead men walking there.
Interesting - didn't know that.