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moron vic richards not competing but doing all the work for it
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awesome
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I love how everyone gasped when Haney weighed in at 243. Show me one guy who weighs that today and looks half as good.
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strong downplaying of the importance of steroids in the sport
"just the finishing touch"
right
ok
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I love how everyone gasped when Haney weighed in at 243. Show me one guy who weighs that today and looks half as good.
I looked at the film and though .. so sad really, bodies got heavier, bulkier, less aesthetic, grossly deformed waist, shorter and shorter, less conditioned, I don't really know what the f.. happened. When you gotta look at 26 yo films for inspiration then you know this sport has serious issues.
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Cool vid.
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couldn't watch pass the opening music score... I don't remember the 80's being so bad.
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When you gotta look at 26 yo films for inspiration then you know this sport has serious issues.
Perfect!
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Damn, Strydom was in great condition with a teeny waste.
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Bob Paris should have been Mr. Olympia. He would have represented bodybuilding well. Possessed of superb and highly aesthetic physique, Paris was also articulate and handsome beyond reason. Contrast this with Jay, Ronnie, Dorian, Phil or most any other winner.
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I looked at the film and though .. so sad really, bodies got heavier, bulkier, less aesthetic, grossly deformed waist, shorter and shorter, less conditioned, I don't really know what the f.. happened. When you gotta look at 26 yo films for inspiration then you know this sport has serious issues.
Yep you hit the nail on the head. I've seen that before and watch it at times I want to get psyched up again. How can guys be 30 to 40 pounds heavier but be smaller. The newer drugs have completely ruined the sport.
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The more time passes, the more I like Lee Haney. Righteous, humble Hebrew champion. The King.
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Every single bodybuilder in that video was using a FULL ROM!!!
Now all the lazy ass bodybuilders talking about keeping tension on the muscle by doing half reps. ::) ::) Unless our bodies changed that much in the last 25 years, there is no reason not to use a full ROM most of the time.
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Every single bodybuilder in that video was using a FULL ROM!!!
Now all the lazy ass bodybuilders talking about keeping tension on the muscle by doing half reps. ::) ::) Unless our bodies changed that much in the last 25 years, there is no reason not to use a full ROM most of the time.
Take a look at how Sergio and Serge trained chest. Both are from the old school.Both had huge chests. Both from different areas, and both didn't use full ROM.
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Every single bodybuilder in that video was using a FULL ROM!!!
Now all the lazy ass bodybuilders talking about keeping tension on the muscle by doing half reps. ::) ::) Unless our bodies changed that much in the last 25 years, there is no reason not to use a full ROM most of the time.
I'm starting to think its due to joint pain and the limited range of motion that comes from it. Even in the "old" days (60s through the 80s) the majority of men built a strong longer lasting foundation with basic training via squats, dips, pullovers and the like.
My shoulders and elbows ache much of the time and I train via a modified version of HIT/Heavy Duty wherein I use lighter weight and higher reps but still to muscular failure with a full ROM. If I can do more, I do so but I maintain a full range of motion via the lighter weights. In my mind it's better this way than to train like an idiot see-sawing the weight up and down through a ROM of 2 or 3 inches. But then I am in this for not only life, but a better life and a physique that will last me that life.
Look at what's become of Coleman for instance. This is what is waiting for Jay, Branch, Phil and the rest of the drug monkeys. Sad.
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The more time passes, the more I like Lee Haney. Righteous, humble Hebrew champion. The King.
I thought he came of as an arrogant twat! Thinking his shit didn't stink and constantly belittling his opponents.
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The difference there with Sergio and Serge is that even though its a short rep on the bench its a controlled rep,Sergio does some short ROM reps and then locks out 95% and pauses before repeating the same thing a few times.all done in control.Todays guys just bounce up and down.
And i`ve been saying it for years,the 40lbs extra bodyweight todays guys have is all in the gut,thats why they don`t look visually bigger.
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Great video, thanks for posting! 100% agree with everything you said
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One of the best old school videos, they all looked far better than bb today... Massive Haney ownage at the weigh-in, Strydom overdieted sadly, he was the only one able to stand size wise with Haney... De Mey awesome, his best Olympia... Fuck Victor Richards and his funky structure, overrated whale that never dieted down, biggest bodybuilder my ass... I'd like to see the weigh-in at every contest, since all the stats of bb today are fake and overblown...
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The difference there with Sergio and Serge is that even though its a short rep on the bench its a controlled rep,Sergio does some short ROM reps and then locks out 95% and pauses before repeating the same thing a few times.all done in control.Todays guys just bounce up and down.
And i`ve been saying it for years,the 40lbs extra bodyweight todays guys have is all in the gut,thats why they don`t look visually bigger.
I used short rom for the past 8 years .. I did a lot of triceps and delts in the past while benching.
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I used short rom for the past 8 years ..
Have you found it more beneficial than full ROM?
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Have you found it more beneficial than full ROM?
Absolutely. It depends on the individual and on the exercise, body mechanics etc
My chest was at a complete disadvantage during any pressing movement as I have long arms and my best/strongest bodyparts are my triceps and front delt. So I had to completely change the way I train.
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Absolutely. It depends on the individual and on the exercise, body mechanics etc
My chest was at a complete disadvantage during any pressing movement as I have long arms and my best/strongest bodyparts are my triceps and front delt. So I had to completely change the way I train.
I know there's a lot of debate on this topic, but from personal experience, I switched to shortened ROM about three years ago and have made much better progress with it. As you said, though, training and nutrition are both very individualistic, and everybody needs to find what works best for them.
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I know there's a lot of debate on this topic, but from personal experience, I switched to shortened ROM about three years ago and have made much better progress with it. As you said, though, training and nutrition are both very individualistic, and everybody needs to find what works best for them.
Yes sir, we need to experiment and nod be afraid to stick with something we feel the right way instead of following the crowd.
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There`s a difference between short and SHORT,in other words bouncing off the chest and pressing up for 4-5 inches is doing nothing for the pecs,but going up three quarters of the way in a controlled fashion is great for the pecs,thats really keeping the tension on the pecs.I`ve used a shorter movement on preacher curls the last few years and my biceps have improved a lot,even at my age.
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Yes sir, we need to experiment and nod be afraid to stick with something we feel the right way instead of following the crowd.
I've got to hand it to you, Sev: you're a smart guy. I joined the board during your wars with Donkey Kong and thought you two were just a couple of trolling gimmicks. Donkey surprised me with his contributions on the Nutrition board, and you've surprised me with many of your recent posts on training and nutrition. You also consistently back up what you post with photographic proof.
Mad props to you, brother!
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I've got to hand it to you, Sev: you're a smart guy. I joind the board during your wars with Donkey Kong and thought you two were just a couple of trolling gimmicks. Donkey surprised me with his contributions on the Nutrition board, and you've surprised me with many of your recent posts on training and nutrition. You also consistently back up what you post with photographic proof.
Mad props to you, brother!
haha yes I remeber Donkey. What happened to him I wonder? I am here to share and learn and believe that we can all benefit from doing the same. Ego needs to be put aside if we want to advance in knowledge.
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haha yes I remeber Donkey. What happened to him I wonder? I am here to share and learn and believe that we can all benefit from doing the same. Ego needs to be put aside if we want to advance in knowledge.
I think I've seen your photograph here...The gentleman that resembles Jason Statham? If so, a very good physique you have there. One that I am certain women appreciate! Good job.
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I thought he came of as an arrogant twat! Thinking his shit didn't stink and constantly belittling his opponents.
It sounds as if he's just trash-talking with his competitors. Compared to Arnold, Lee Haney is a novice, when it comes to ribbing his opponents.
Besides, I don't know of any champion who didn't think he was THE MAN and that their opponents (while good in their own right) weren't quite up to their level.
You have Samir Bannout here claiming that he "allowed" Lee Haney to win the 1984 Olympia. If that's not arrogant, what is?
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haha yes I remeber Donkey. What happened to him I wonder? I am here to share and learn and believe that we can all benefit from doing the same. Ego needs to be put aside if we want to advance in knowledge.
I agree. We can have constructive discussion here.
As for Kong, the last I know, he married some woman and lives in Japan.
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How come those guys used less gear than current pros but looked better ??? ??? ???.
Was it the high volume + high frequency training?
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Tom Platz has the voice of an angel
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moron vic richards not competing but doing all the work for it
He wasn't a pro. Platz talked about a gym body vs. a stage body. I think the former best described Richards.
Besides, who wants to see him smash another trophy after he loses to a smaller but better-conditioned guy (i.e. when he lost a local amateur show to Gaspari)?
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He wasn't a pro. Platz talked about a gym body vs. a stage body. I think the former best described Richards.
Besides, who wants to see him smash another trophy after he loses to a smaller but better-conditioned guy (i.e. when he lost a local amateur show to Gaspari)?
Where have you been hiding, brother!
How is your family?
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Damn, Strydom was in great condition with a teeny waste.
Indeed. But both look a bit lanky compared to their WBF days (particularly in 1991).
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Where have you been hiding, brother!
How is your family?
I wouldn't say I've been hiding. The family is quite well. I got a new job last year; so we packed it up and moved to the Midwest.
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Indeed. But both look a bit lanky compared to their WBF days (particularly in 1991).
strydom over killed that yr he was shredded but much smaller,his chest and delts looked wrapped lean,but his weak back was even weaker by the down size he was,his legs were sick sliced,but he made up for it shocked people at wbf shows he looked awesome.
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Take a look at how Sergio and Serge trained chest. Both are from the old school.Both had huge chests. Both from different areas, and both didn't use full ROM.
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Parker, there are EXCEPTIONS to everything. On AVERAGE, guys back then used a greater range of motion compared to the guys now.
Its funny the way it works out:
1970s: Less drugs, better diets, more hard work, good builds and more full ROM
2014: MORE drugs, less hard work, shittier diets, shittier builds and less full ROM
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I wouldn't say I've been hiding. The family is quite well. I got a new job last year; so we packed it up and moved to the Midwest.
Congratulations!!
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Samir talks about wanting to compete at 208 pounds. Philsuline would still look good at this weight without GH and Slin. It is a shame what bodybuilding has become.
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Parker, there are EXCEPTIONS to everything. On AVERAGE, guys back then used a greater range of motion compared to the guys now.
Its funny the way it works out:
1970s: Less drugs, better diets, more hard work, good builds and more full ROM
2014: MORE drugs, less hard work, shittier diets, shittier builds and less full ROM
That wasn't the case for everyone, though. Larry Scott developed some impressive delts for his frame using a db press that only moved through about the middle 3/5 of the ROM, as he described. This movement was documented on video with he and Francis Benfatto demonstrating.
Scott also used similar ROM on neck presses.