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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on February 25, 2014, 08:10:30 AM
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I find it odd that just because you happened to own land that sits over an oil field that you get to own the rights to the oil. Something nature made, nothing you had to do with that took millions of years to happen and now 1 person can own it. It doesn't seem right. I'm surprised that decades ago the gov. didn't seize ownership of all oil fields in the country. they could still keep it as an enterprise where they sell it to the refineries at a cheap cost so they can process it and resell it to consumers. the fact that a dozen people have all the say in oil prices is just bullshit, it should be owned by the masses.
Now I know the same can be said about gold, diamonds etc.. or other natural resources, but those don't have the same impact on the day to day life of mankind as oil does.
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Show me the part of the Constitution that says resources can be government owned or can take your property at will.
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I don't know if you can fuck oil up - but I'm pretty the government would find a way to do so...
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Oil owns Government. Next question.
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Show me the part of the Constitution that says resources can be government owned or can take your property at will.
Imminent Domain
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain)
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Why not? What better way to fuck up more capitalism by taking over the oil industry and then fucking that up in the process.
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Chavez says YES!
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Yes, because easy access of oil is causing abuse:
(http://i.iplsc.com/sa-lepsze-sposoby-na-zaimponowanie-kobietom-niz-narazanie-zy/00025Z9A2DPFYM77-C116-F4.jpg)
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Why not? What better way to fuck up more capitalism by taking over the oil industry and then fucking that up in the process.
The government promotes oil profits by subsidizing Big Oil with billions of taxpayer money. Not saying it should nationalize oil, but the government certainly does not impede oil companies.
Oil Change International is an organization focused on exposing fossil fuel subsidies. On their site they have a page on fossil fuel subsidies, which they define as “any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by energy producers or lowers the price paid by energy consumers.” They include a spreadsheet breaking down various fossil fuel subsidies utilizing data from a joint OECD-IEA report called Fossil Fuel Subsidies and Other Support. The summary of oil-related subsidies in the U.S. for 2010 totals $4.5 billion. That is a number often put forward; $4 billion a year or so in support for those greedy oil companies.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/)
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The government promotes oil profits by subsidizing Big Oil with billions of taxpayer money. Not saying they should nationalize oil, but the government certainly does not impede oil companies.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/)
Yes, but subsidizing is one thing. A total take over is quite another. They can't even manage what they have.
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Imminent Domain
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain)
Imminent Domain is quite limited in scope. The Gov just couldn't take over thousands of acres of privately held property. Property rights along with water and mineral rights are quite well established areas of Law.
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Why not?
Why should the government subsidize the most successful industry in the world? Crony capitalism at its worst.
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Imminent Domain is quite limited in scope. The Gov just couldn't take over thousands of acres of privately held property. Property rights along with water and mineral rights are quite well established areas of Law.
A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Imminent+Domain)
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Land captures happen all the time, but I'm talking about hundred years ago. Why did they allow land owners to control it instead of just taking it over?
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Oil owns Government. Next question.
Beat me to it.
That said, I agree that the way it is now, is what's best for us. You could use the same argument about lottery winners, that they didn't do anything except buy a ticket, and got paid. Same with these land owners.
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Beat me to it.
That said, I agree that the way it is now, is what's best for us. You could use the same argument about lottery winners, that they didn't do anything except buy a ticket, and got paid. Same with these land owners.
The oil belongs to the earth though, developed over millions of years. Lotto is a co-op of people pooling their cash for one sole winner. not comparable.
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Norway do all right under that sort of set up.
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In theory, it sounds like a good idea to have government control the oil supply and devote it to the public good. However, man is inherently evil so whoever is controlling a valuable resource, whether it's big business or big government, will exploit it for his/her self benefit. Now big business has control and it benefits the few, the same would happen if big government controlled it, a few would benefit.
yah and behind govt theres always mere humans anyway,its all the same.
venezuela the govt control oil.
one example lol
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yes. all natural recources should.
see Norway. Doing a little bit better than Dubai in terms of infrastructure and standard for the avg citizen eh ;)
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yah and behind govt theres always mere humans anyway,its all the same.
venezuela the govt control oil.
one example lol
I guess the gov can just decide to stop supplies and fuck over everyone if they ever decided to do so.
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Oil owns Government. Next question.
Truth!
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If oil reserves are found on government owned land I think it's completely reasonable that we as citizens get a cut. Even if that cut comes from lower taxes.
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Government shouldn't own ANYTHING, considering tbey merwly are supposed to exist to be our administrators. Too many people are putting them as our nannies, that theyre believing it.
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I work for one of the largest oil companies in the world.
As far as I'm concerned oil pretty much owns the government.
I can't see their being a huge change if the govt took over. Who really knows though.
However where I live working for an actual oil company is the "cream of the crop".
Pay, benefits, schedule, lateral or upwards movement within the company, etc.......you can't do better anywhere else.
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government is force - George Washington
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In some places in America, it's illegal to harvest rain water. Water companies have sued in court saying that the rain water belongs to them...
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I find it odd that just because you happened to own land that sits over an oil field that you get to own the rights to the oil. Something nature made, nothing you had to do with that took millions of years to happen and now 1 person can own it. It doesn't seem right. I'm surprised that decades ago the gov. didn't seize ownership of all oil fields in the country. they could still keep it as an enterprise where they sell it to the refineries at a cheap cost so they can process it and resell it to consumers. the fact that a dozen people have all the say in oil prices is just bullshit, it should be owned by the masses.
Now I know the same can be said about gold, diamonds etc.. or other natural resources, but those don't have the same impact on the day to day life of mankind as oil does.
Fuck yeh it should be government owned - as should every natural resource!! The government still has time to save us from our stupidity. If we don't have the government angling things we will just probably all die. Everybody knows that the government can do anything the private sector can do except BETTER. I used to have this friend that was so smart - he knew everything about everything - where do you think he is now -- THE GOVERNMENT!! They only hire the best of the best - and of course now he is all uppity and can't hang out with a dumbass regular citizen - but at least I can sleep easily now knowing that I can never get sick again because the government took overt health care and it's only a matter of time before they pass a law banning sickness !!!
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I find it odd that just because you happened to own land that sits over an oil field that you get to own the rights to the oil. Something nature made, nothing you had to do with that took millions of years to happen and now 1 person can own it. It doesn't seem right. I'm surprised that decades ago the gov. didn't seize ownership of all oil fields in the country. they could still keep it as an enterprise where they sell it to the refineries at a cheap cost so they can process it and resell it to consumers. the fact that a dozen people have all the say in oil prices is just bullshit, it should be owned by the masses.
Now I know the same can be said about gold, diamonds etc.. or other natural resources, but those don't have the same impact on the day to day life of mankind as oil does.
It's not odd at all? Private property, what's the problem?
If you do think it's odd, I don't see how giving it up for wasteful politicians to squander would make it any less odd?
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I find it odd that just because you happened to own land that sits over an oil field that you get to own the rights to the oil. Something nature made, nothing you had to do with that took millions of years to happen and now 1 person can own it. It doesn't seem right. I'm surprised that decades ago the gov. didn't seize ownership of all oil fields in the country. they could still keep it as an enterprise where they sell it to the refineries at a cheap cost so they can process it and resell it to consumers. the fact that a dozen people have all the say in oil prices is just bullshit, it should be owned by the masses.
Now I know the same can be said about gold, diamonds etc.. or other natural resources, but those don't have the same impact on the day to day life of mankind as oil does.
Fuck off you dumb fuck socialist.