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Title: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 26, 2014, 03:26:51 PM
‘The Imperial Presidency’
House holds hearing on executive overreach


BY: Elizabeth Harrington   
February 26, 2014 5:42 pm

Members of Congress and constitutional law experts testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, warning that the legislative branch is in danger of ceding its power in the face of an “imperial presidency.”

The hearing, “Enforcing the President’s Constitutional Duty to Faithfully Execute the Laws,” focused on the multiple areas President Barack Obama has bypassed Congress, ranging from healthcare and immigration to marriage and welfare rules.

Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University, testified that the expansion of executive power is happening so fast that America is at a “constitutional tipping point.”

“My view [is] that the president, has in fact, exceeded his authority in a way that is creating a destabilizing influence in a three branch system,” he said. “I want to emphasize, of course, this problem didn’t begin with President Obama, I was critical of his predecessor President Bush as well, but the rate at which executive power has been concentrated in our system is accelerating. And frankly, I am very alarmed by the implications of that aggregation of power.”

“What also alarms me, however, is that the two other branches appear not just simply passive, but inert in the face of this concentration of authority,” Turley said.

While Turley agrees with many of Obama’s policy positions, he steadfastly opposes the method he goes about enforcing them.

“The fact that I happen to think the president is right on many of these policies does not alter the fact that I believe the means he is doing [it] is wrong, and that this can be a dangerous change in our system,” he said. “And our system is changing in a very fundamental way. And it’s changing without a whimper of regret or opposition.”

Elizabeth Price Foley, a law professor at Florida International University College of Law, agreed, warning that Congress is in danger of becoming “superfluous.”

“Situations like this, these benevolent suspensions as they get more and more frequent and more and more aggressive, they’re eroding our citizens’ respect for the rule of law,” she said. “We are a country of law and not men. It’s going to render Congress superfluous.”

Read more... http://freebeacon.com/the-imperial-presidency/
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: doison on February 26, 2014, 05:30:42 PM
The perfect storm.  Bush overreached just enough to allow a predecessor from the opposite party to overreach to arbitrary extent.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: Shockwave on February 26, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
The perfect storm.  Bush overreached just enough to allow a predecessor from the opposite party to overreach to arbitrary extent.
Yup. Almost like it was planned that way..... hmm.......

Seriously though, you're correct. So desperate for anything but Bush, they let Obama do whatever he likes and blame everything on the former President.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 27, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
Not unlike article 48 in the German constitution that lead a certain someone to power. Using  their own laws to do away with democracy. Where's Adolf when you need him?
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 27, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
The perfect storm.  Bush overreached just enough to allow a predecessor from the opposite party to overreach to arbitrary extent.

It'll keep happening like this.  I used to always say Dick Cheney was making Hilary the most powerful president in history. 

It ended up being Obama... but yeah, he's making Cruz or Rand or Perry, my choice, the most powerful president we've ever seen.

When even Turley says it's overboard, lol, it's overboard.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: RRKore on February 27, 2014, 07:58:05 PM
It'll keep happening like this.  I used to always say Dick Cheney was making Hilary the most powerful president in history. 

It ended up being Obama... but yeah, he's making Cruz or Rand or Perry, my choice, the most powerful president we've ever seen.

When even Turley says it's overboard, lol, it's overboard.

You could still end up being right about the Hillary thang. 

I could see her making Obama look positively restrained by comparison, too.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: polychronopolous on February 27, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
You could still end up being right about the Hillary thang. 

I could see her making Obama look positively restrained by comparison, too.

Heads are gonna roll if Bill gets back in the White House and he has Hillary's ear.

Not necessarily against the American people per se, but against any political enemies or detractors he has built up over the past decade or so.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 27, 2014, 08:04:11 PM
You could still end up being right about the Hillary thang.  

I could see her making Obama look positively restrained by comparison, too.

Yep.    Deep at heart, Obama's not nearly as vicious as Hilary.  Not even close.  

Obama has many flaws, he's shady and all that, but imagine what Hilary - maybe even a one-term Hilary - could unleash upon those that defy her.  

Clinton turns 67 this October. At that age, she will likely be making her candidacy decision, and if nominated Clinton would turn 69 two weeks before the 2016 general election, notably the same age Ronald Reagan was when he was first elected in 1980.

I don't even think age will be an issue anymore.  I used to think so, but wow... same age as reagan... will be tough for repubs to say reagan was too old.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 28, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
It'll keep happening like this.  I used to always say Dick Cheney was making Hilary the most powerful president in history. 

It ended up being Obama... but yeah, he's making Cruz or Rand or Perry, my choice, the most powerful president we've ever seen.

When even Turley says it's overboard, lol, it's overboard.

True pretty telling when even Turley is saying it.
Fuck it...if the dems continue to win and consolidate power, this country is about 4-5 years away from being where Ukraine is right now.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 28, 2014, 02:53:34 PM

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“What also alarms me, however, is that the two other branches appear not just simply passive, but inert in the face of this concentration of authority,”

Could this be an agenda pushed by a questionable or outright wrongful use of technology? Is it possible that, through the use of daily communications analysis and perhaps other things, various resistance points were surreptitiously identified and manipulated in order to quietly advance the agenda?

If anyone disagrees with this idea, please say so.
Title: Re: America is at a “constitutional tipping point.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2014, 08:25:59 PM
True pretty telling when even Turley is saying it.
Fuck it...if the dems continue to win and consolidate power, this country is about 4-5 years away from being where Ukraine is right now.

nah, i dont see any kind of violent shit like that in our future.  Everyone has guns, and the govt watches everyone. 

If some ragtag group decided to start taking potshots at whoever, they have two things: the govt showing up in about 5 seconds to send them GITMO, and a whole lotta armed americans keeping their streets safe by opening fire on the group of rebels.

we have it good in the USA.  we want it better, sure.  But it's awesome here.  Looking at videos of things in the ukraine, I thank my creator that I was born here in the USA.   It's not perfect and yes, we do lose some rights every day and I don't like it one bit... but all in all, the USA is a great place to live.