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Is it worth taking for a natural?
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If you want a hell of a placebo effect that gives you an extra 50lbs on your bench
sure
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These are the supplements that actually work
creatine
multi vitamin
joint supplement
Protein powder
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If you want a hell of a placebo effect that gives you an extra 50lbs on your bench
sure
Eh I took it when I was starting out maybe 15 years ago and who knows if it helped, gains come so easily as a beginner. My assumption would be just placebo, but I figured that with all of the know-it-alls on here somebody must have taken the time to do the research and figure out if it does anything but bloat you.
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Laugh all you want but if you're natural creatine is a MUST. And yes, its absolutely does work. It's the most proven and effective supplement for strength gains on the market thats NOT an AAS.
I've gotten great gains off of creatine. It usually turns my 8rep max into 10reps for 2 sets in 3 weeks. I know lots of people say you don't need to cycle it but for strength gains you do. It will give you a boost for the first month then after you're saturated it's back to programming but with increased muscular endurance.
After another month of being off you'll keep your strength gains but lose some endurance.
I can usually do about 3-4 cycles a year where i'm guaranteed strength gains from creatine with very little programming. Just bullrush those 8 reps and try to do more ... and it happens. And funny shit how you think after a 10rep max pr that you can't do another set and get 10 more reps... but with the magic of creatine it happens.
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These are the supplements that actually work
creatine
multi vitamin
joint supplement
Protein powder
If someone were broke as shit and they asked which supplements they should buy I would say:
1. Creatine
2. Fish oil
And you know what? Thats all you really need.
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If someone were broke as shit and they asked which supplements they should buy I would say:
1. Creatine
2. Fish oil
And you know what? Thats all you really need.
Yeah I just might go for both of those...
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Creatine works, but I hate taking it because my stomach gets messed up from it. Glutamine is also a must for a natural.
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Creatine has alway worked really good for me, at first. Then I retain too much water.
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Creatine has alway worked really good for me, at first. Then I retain too much water.
try kre alkalyn this form of creatine does not bloat you.
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make sure you take it with grape juice that's the key.
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try kre alkalyn this form of creatine does not bloat you.
Thanks I'll try it.
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make sure you take it with grape juice that's the key.
will that take my gains from 1000 to 2000%?
seriously though where's the best place to buy creatine online, i.e. cheapest for a major brand. Does Costco sell it?
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Yes it is the only one u should spend your money on. The rest should go towards food.
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What have you found best when cycling it? 6 weeks on, 6 off? Ive got a bottle here of pure monohydrate I'd like to start using again.
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What have you found best when cycling it? 6 weeks on, 6 off? Ive got a bottle here of pure monohydrate I'd like to start using again.
You can get what u need from it using 5 grams on workout days.
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What have you found best when cycling it? 6 weeks on, 6 off? Ive got a bottle here of pure monohydrate I'd like to start using again.
4- 6 weeks on 2-3 months off. .
If you hop on too soon from the last cycle you won't see those true strength gains...only endurance. Your muscle still has a lot of creatine stored in it.
I recommend cycling mainly for strength tho. If muscle gains are your concern just stay on and you should benefit from the increased endurance in training.
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make sure you take it with grape juice that's the key.
This is wrong half of the suger in grape juice is low glycemic, you need high glycemic carbs like dextrose or some mash potato that works best.
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Jesus Christ people read a fucking article once in a while before spouting off your random horseshit make believe fun facts...
try kre alkalyn this form of creatine does not bloat you.
Lol no. Just spouting off random bullshit perpetrated by supplement companies to milk you for $70.
Creatine monohydrate is all you need and it is $20 for 2lbs of the shit...Cheap and effective.
Eh I took it when I was starting out maybe 15 years ago and who knows if it helped, gains come so easily as a beginner. My assumption would be just placebo, but I figured that with all of the know-it-alls on here somebody must have taken the time to do the research and figure out if it does anything but bloat you.
You say this word "bloat" but I don't think you know what it means.
Bloat: Bloating is any abnormal general swelling, or increase in diameter of the abdominal area.
Some people get gas and such from eating any raw powders like glutamine, creatine, fiber powder, etc...Has nothing to do with the creatine itself it's the fact that it's basically a non easily digestible powder..A 2 minute gas bubble is not "bloating"
Creatine has alway worked really good for me, at first. Then I retain too much water.
Just plain clueless...Clueless. Creatine has no effect on "water retention" Again I think you have no clue of the meaning.
Water retention: An abnormal accumulation of fluid in the circulatory system or within the tissues or cavities of the body.
Creatine does some very minor things to muscle cells' intracellular fluid...On a microscopic cellular level within the muscle cells...Hello..Fluids are what give muscle any size whatsoever lol...A huge % of muscle tissue is water..
Absolutely creatine is one of the most valuable supplements for overall well being you can get..For the money it is completely undeniable $20 for 2lbs of the stuff which is like a 180 day supply..
If you care to know all the positive benefits to supplementing creatine MONOHYDRATE that go way beyond muscles or strength read this article.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/new_uses_for_creatine
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What have you found best when cycling it? 6 weeks on, 6 off? Ive got a bottle here of pure monohydrate I'd like to start using again.
You do not cycle creatine for jesus fucking god's sake man...How are you this clueless..The shit has been around since the fucking 80's.
It's food..Do you cycle fucking chicken? beef? Do you cycle fucking potatoes.
Cycling fucking creatine..You have creatine in your fucking body as we speak...Why would you "load" it or "cycle" it just start fucking taking it and take it forever it's fucking food...
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4- 6 weeks on 2-3 months off. .
If you hop on too soon from the last cycle you won't see those true strength gains...only endurance. Your muscle still has a lot of creatine stored in it.
I recommend cycling mainly for strength tho. If muscle gains are your concern just stay on and you should benefit from the increased endurance in training.
This idiot has got to be trolling. Lol pure comedy.
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Lol @ creatine cycles
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You do not cycle creatine for jesus fucking god's sake man...How are you this clueless..The shit has been around since the fucking 80's.
It's food..Do you cycle fucking chicken? beef? Do you cycle fucking potatoes.
Cycling fucking creatine..You have creatine in your fucking body as we speak...Why would you "load" it or "cycle" it just start fucking taking it and take it forever it's fucking food...
It's been proven that using creatine long-term as a supplement causes creatinine levels to go above desirable thresholds into the unhealthy range, affecting kidney function
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And yes, it does work.
I started using it when I trained natural when Mark Maguire and Sosa were putting the spotlight on it.
Made very significant strength gains. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Lol @ creatine cycles
So tell me... Do those strength increases remain constant throughout the duration you're on creatine? The answer is no. Everyone who has taken creatine should know after the first month and ahalf the strength increases slow down. You're not gonna put on 30lbs on your bench every month for the entire year you're on creatine. This first month and half, yes, but not every month the entire year.
This is why you cycle.
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It's been proven that using creatine long-term as a supplement causes creatinine levels to go above desirable thresholds into the unhealthy range, affecting kidney function
Blood creatinine levels are dependant on the amount of muscle mass one carries, diet, exercise, underlying kidney problems and many, many other factors.
I have never heard of 1 serious study proving that 5g of supplemental creatine per day in a healthy individual has ever caused any health problems whatsoever.
Here ya go sport:
Causes of high creatinine levels
1. Dehydration or inadequate water intake such as high fever, sweating, diuresis can cause blood concentration and reduced blood flow in the kidneys. Creatinine will increase.
2. Over-tiredness, lack of rest can cause elevation of creatinine level.
3. Urine abnormalities such as long term hematuria, proteinuria can be accompanied by high creatinine.
4. Intake of drugs that have renal toxicity can cause high creatinine which can even be irreversible.
5. If renal dysfunction patients have infections such as cold, pneumonia, intestinal infection, urinary tract infections can increase creatinine level in short time.
http://www.kidneyfailureweb.com/creatinine/251.html
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So tell me... Do those strength increases remain constant throughout the duration you're on creatine? The answer is no. Everyone who has taken creatine should know after the first month and ahalf the strength increases slow down. You're not gonna put on 30lbs on your bench every month for the entire year you're on creatine.
This is why you cycle.
Rofl dude you really do not understand the fucking biology involved in atp, creatine, or even how muscles work for that matter...
When you supplement with creatine it just fills gaps in the cells that are empty it does not add any new tissue.
If you're functioning on 50% ATP levels and all of a sudden start functioning on 100% levels (supplementing with creatine) of course you'll see an initial TINY jump in how you perform..But that's just because you're bringing something up to full...lol
The "strength increase" is a minor side effect of the tiny amount of fluid and size the muscle gains when ATP and the stores are filled up...Wtf 30lbs on your bench..dude rofl you are a fucking beginner man..Lol month and a half? dude creatine is not a fucking drug...It's instant. The minute you drink it your cells are full, whatever strength or size you gain from it is gained right then..Instantly.
Jesus why am I even typing this you have zero knowledge of any reality and this is a waste of time.
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Rofl dude you really do not understand the fucking biology involved in atp, creatine, or even how muscles work for that matter...
When you supplement with creatine it just fills gaps in the cells that are empty it does not add any new tissue.
If you're functioning on 50% ATP levels and all of a sudden start functioning on 100% levels (supplementing with creatine) of course you'll see an initial TINY jump in how you perform..But that's just because you're bringing something up to full...lol
Jesus why am I even typing this you have zero knowledge of any reality and this is a waste of time.
Wow bro thanks for sharing your jr college physiology knowledge.
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Wow bro thanks for sharing your jr college physiology knowledge.
You are a beginner and completely clueless, I don't even know where to begin.
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So tell me... Do those strength increases remain constant throughout the duration you're on creatine? The answer is no. Everyone who has taken creatine should know after the first month and ahalf the strength increases slow down. You're not gonna put on 30lbs on your bench every month for the entire year you're on creatine. This first month and half, yes, but not every month the entire year.
This is why you cycle.
Tbh,
I don't really know. I never looked into it in depth, and I didn't stay on it.
All I know is it increased my strength significantly and quickly for the short duration I was using it.
I was training naturally at the time.
Not trying to be an asshole, but 'creatine cycles' just sounds funny.
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Jesus Christ people read a fucking article once in a while before spouting off your random horseshit make believe fun facts...
Lol no. Just spouting off random bullshit perpetrated by supplement companies to milk you for $70.
Creatine monohydrate is all you need and it is $20 for 2lbs of the shit...Cheap and effective.
You say this word "bloat" but I don't think you know what it means.
Bloat: Bloating is any abnormal general swelling, or increase in diameter of the abdominal area.
Some people get gas and such from eating any raw powders like glutamine, creatine, fiber powder, etc...Has nothing to do with the creatine itself it's the fact that it's basically a non easily digestible powder..A 2 minute gas bubble is not "bloating"
Just plain clueless...Clueless. Creatine has no effect on "water retention" Again I think you have no clue of the meaning.
Water retention: An abnormal accumulation of fluid in the circulatory system or within the tissues or cavities of the body.
Creatine does some very minor things to muscle cells' intracellular fluid...On a microscopic cellular level within the muscle cells...Hello..Fluids are what give muscle any size whatsoever lol...A huge % of muscle tissue is water..
Absolutely creatine is one of the most valuable supplements for overall well being you can get..For the money it is completely undeniable $20 for 2lbs of the stuff which is like a 180 day supply..
If you care to know all the positive benefits to supplementing creatine MONOHYDRATE that go way beyond muscles or strength read this article.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/new_uses_for_creatine
I was not using bloat in the clinical sense, what I meant was that I thought I was retaining more water, more likely I was getting fatter as well (likely increased calories were more responsible than creatine).
Just ordered. 19.35 with two day shipping for 2.2lbs. We'll see if it works, if not I'll just return it.
Read the wiki and it seems legit.
I'll do one rounded teaspon a day, no loading nonsense
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I realize that any gains will be moderate, but after a decade and a half of training with no supplements and only making very modest gains (if any) at this point, I'll take what I can get.
Maybe in another 20 years they'll have a performance enhancing drug with major results and no significant adverse effects.
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I realize that any gains will be moderate, but after a decade and a half of training with no supplements and only making very modest gains (if any) at this point, I'll take what I can get.
Maybe in another 20 years they'll have a performance enhancing drug with major results and no significant adverse effects.
If you're natural id say the strength gains are more than moderate.
I remember overhead pressing a bar that just one month before was difficult - and easily doing it while sitting.
It was a 'wtf moment'.
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You are a beginner and completely clueless, I don't even know where to begin.
Yes obviously with your jr college physiology 101 knowlege, it is I that am the beginner.
You're just forgetting about the muscular and neural adaptations of the initial strength increases from that increase in creatine and increased resynthesis of ATP :-\
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I was not using bloat in the clinical sense, what I meant was that I thought I was retaining more water, more likely I was getting fatter as well (likely increased calories were more responsible than creatine).
Just ordered. 19.35 with two day shipping for 2.2lbs. We'll see if it works, if not I'll just return it.
Read the wiki and it seems legit.
I'll do one rounded teaspon a day, no loading nonsense
Lol dude you are using this term "works" like it's fucking Dianabol...When you start taking a multi vitamin do you all of a sudden notice some crazy changes to your body...NO LOL. Creatine is just something that is part of how the cells function..Nothing drastic happens.
If your deficient in the stuff it brings you up to full levels and life goes on...Say Each muscle cell weighs "100 units" , when you take creatine now they all weigh 105 units. So you may gain 1lb of "muscle (intracellular fluid) " With that 1lb gain comes what always comes with 1lb gains...NOt much of anything...Creatine is not some drug or even anything, it's just food..It plays on minute cellular functions in the brain, muscles, tissues, all around bodily functions because it is always there in our bodies, we are just bringing our levels up to 100% to maximize it's effects.
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Yes obviously with your jr college physiology 101 knowlege, it is I that am the beginner.
You're just forgetting about the muscular and neural adaptations of the initial strength increases from that increase in creatine and increased resynthesis of ATP :-\
No you're forgetting that you are not strong...So you have never been strong, and never will be strong...Going from fucking benching 135 to benching 185 after having trained for 6 months is not your "creatine cycle" it's called gains...From lifting and eating.
If your "creatine cycle" put 30lbs on your bench you are a total beginner and would have gained that 30lbs on your bench by doing anything...
Actual strong people, powerlifters, and bodybuilders, that bench 315+ for easy reps on any given day will not see anything from creatine...Key word being "SEE" just because you don't see physical changes does not mean your cells etc. are not functioning better on a minute level.
The fact that you think you need to stop taking A FUCKING FOOD...CREATINE IS IN FOOD..For "2-3 months" or whatever horseshit you were spouting proves you're clueless.
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4- 6 weeks on 2-3 months off. .
If you hop on too soon from the last cycle you won't see those true strength gains...only endurance. Your muscle still has a lot of creatine stored in it.
I recommend cycling mainly for strength tho. If muscle gains are your concern just stay on and you should benefit from the increased endurance in training.
Holy fuck this is retarded.
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No you're forgetting that you are not strong...So you have never been strong, and never will be strong...Going from fucking benching 135 to benching 185 after having trained for 6 months is not your "creatine cycle" it's called gains...From lifting and eating.
If your "creatine cycle" put 30lbs on your bench you are a total beginner and would have gained that 30lbs on your bench by doing anything...
Actual strong people, powerlifters, and bodybuilders, that bench 315+ for easy reps on any given day will not see anything from creatine...Key word being "SEE" just because you don't see physical changes does not mean your cells etc. are not functioning better on a minute level.
The fact that you think you need to stop taking A FUCKING FOOD...CREATINE IS IN FOOD..For "2-3 months" or whatever horseshit you were spouting proves you're clueless.
Funny you say that because my last creatine cycle years ago increased my bench from 305 for 8 to 305 for 10 in a month.
When you're talking about advanced lifers you're talking about people that use steroids or actual advanced dudes who eat so much meat creatine supplementation is less of a benefit.
And of course the more advanced you are the less shit works. Groundbreaking shit Einstein ::)
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Well there ya go. In my opinion it's the best supplement out there. It is an actual supplement, although it is in food like you said you'd have to eat 2-3lbs of meat a day and digest it all 100% perfectly to get 5g. Which is why everyone not supplementing is running at 50% or less. Bringing that up to 100% can only be good.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/new_uses_for_creatine
Really is worth a read.
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Well there ya go. In my opinion it's the best supplement out there. It is an actual supplement, although it is in food like you said you'd have to eat 2-3lbs of meat a day and digest it all 100% perfectly to get 5g. Which is why everyone not supplementing is running at 50% or less. Bringing that up to 100% can only be good.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/new_uses_for_creatine
Really is worth a read.
Thats something we both can agree on.
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From what I know, creatine is the only supplement that has been studied using randomized clinical trials in major universities (Harvard, Yale, Cornell, UCLA, etc). Creatine has been shown to work. This is what the research shows. It doesnt mean youre going to look like Ronnie Coleman, but studies show it does work, unlike muscletech and BSN garbage.
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creatine is shown to inhibit mysotain, i would definitely be taking it
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the only supplement i have been taking continuously.. very effective with me.. i thought it made me carry more water but here i have stopped it for about 2 months and still look the exact same!!..
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the only supplement i have been taking continuously.. very effective with me.. i thought it made me carry more water but here i have stopped it for about 2 months and still look the exact same!!..
-modern day staff ( like pro rugby chemicals ;)), everything else on WADA's lists is easily detectable
;D
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A better question is if it is worth it at all if you are on gear, even a small "enhanced" TRT dose?
Full disclosure: as a natty, I take creatine, fish oil, protein powder and some delusional ZMA. I would like to trade-in all of that for some test e.
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creatine works, it increase strengt a bit, but for it increase the volume during my training.
it i can do 3 set like 10/8/6 reps with a weight, with creatine after 2 weeks i can do 12/10/9.
so at the end the volume is bigger, so more volume means more strengt and more muscle.
With certain brand of creatine i can also feel my muscle more full when i woke up.
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creatine works, it increase strengt a bit, but for it increase the volume during my training.
it i can do 3 set like 10/8/6 reps with a weight, with creatine after 2 weeks i can do 12/10/9.
so at the end the volume is bigger, so more volume means more strengt and more muscle.
With certain brand of creatine i can also feel my muscle more full when i woke up.
This is starting to sound like a discussion on bb.com.
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try kre alkalyn this form of creatine does not bloat you.
You know why it doesn't bloat you? Because you take less. Alkalyn is 99% monohydrate.
It's a scam.
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creatine works, it increase strengt a bit, but for it increase the volume during my training.
it i can do 3 set like 10/8/6 reps with a weight, with creatine after 2 weeks i can do 12/10/9.
so at the end the volume is bigger, so more volume means more strengt and more muscle.
With certain brand of creatine i can also feel my muscle more full when i woke up.
I think celltech is the best bro. It has dextrose to spike insulin levels that will help with the 2 week loading @ 20 grams a day.
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5lbs extra on the bench for 5lbs extra bloat? ???
Creatine works fine, but, some recent studies have shown that there might be long term effects connected to usage of creatine. Note, MIGHT.
Some results indicated that long term usage leads to a permanently lower the bodie's own production of creatine. Creatine is gods gift to permabulking nattys. ;D
Some good info:
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-873-CREATINE.aspx?activeIngredientId=873&activeIngredientName=CREATINE
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12546637
PubMed has many interesting articles for further reading and references, provided you know how to read a scientific article/journal.
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This is starting to sound like a discussion on bb.com.
creatine works better with 1 gr of tren ace e.w.
(is it better?)
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I think celltech is the best bro. It has dextrose to spike insulin levels that will help with the 2 week loading @ 20 grams a day.
:D
(http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/cell-tech-boy.jpg)
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Creatine works great..........try this stack for 8 weeks for serious gains:
Week # 1:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 2:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 3:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Week # 4:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 5:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 6:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 7:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 8:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
::)
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Creatine works great..........try this stack for 8 weeks for serious gains:
Week # 1:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 2:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 3:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Week # 4:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 5:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 6:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 7:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 8:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
::)
Aaannnnndddd...were back...thanks Wes.
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My pleasure AJ ! :D
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Creatine works great..........try this stack for 8 weeks for serious gains:
Week # 1:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 2:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Week # 3:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Week # 4:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 5:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Deca
Anadrol
Week # 6:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 7:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
Week # 8:
Creatine
Test
Tren
Anadrol
Deca
::)
great post bro
would you front load the creatine
also do you need to taper off
ive heard the post creatine crash can be brutal
what would you recommend for pct HMB?
also is it safe to stack creatine with NO2 supps?
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great post bro
would you front load the creatine
also do you need to taper off
ive heard the post creatine crash can be brutal
what would you recommend for pct HMB?
also is it safe to stack creatine with NO2 supps?
Thanks Mac,and YES.........I would definately recommend frontloading when doing Creatine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a very effective tactic of the pros.
I increase my dosage as the cycle goes on,then I taper downwards getting closer to the end of my cycle.
HMB is the perfect post cycle therapy when using Creatine.
To avoid the dreaded post "Creatine Crash",just switch the Creatine in your cycle to Glutamine and watch those muscles blow right up from within.......no crashing what so ever and the switch makes the bodys receptors just suck up the new compound that is Glutamine resulting in even further anabolism !!
Never combine Creatine with NO2....very common mistake of "the more is better" generation.....very dangerous and toxic combination.....err on the side of caution and keep your kidneys intact by not trying this unsafe combination of compounds.
One word of caution when using good Pharm Grade Creatine is to take a joint supplement as the muscles become so strong,that the joints can become traumatized due to the fact that their growth cannot keep up with the growth of the skeletal muscle.
Very potent stuff this Creatine.......don`t take stupidly huge doses as you can and will get too big,too fast! :)
Train hard and eat good and thank me later! ;)
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Whats wrong with you wes do you think everybody wants to take steroids, for the natural bodybuilder creatine is the best option, they can also take some zma to make sure the test levels are ok from all the hard training and a joint supplement and eat eat.
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From what I know, creatine is the only supplement that has been studied using randomized clinical trials in major universities (Harvard, Yale, Cornell, UCLA, etc). Creatine has been shown to work. This is what the research shows. It doesnt mean youre going to look like Ronnie Coleman, but studies show it does work, unlike muscletech and BSN garbage.
This.
Independent research has shown creatine is a useful supplement to take and does work.
Obviously the gains made on creatine will not be a fraction of what even a basic steroid cycle will give you, but its still useful regardless. :D
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This.
Independent research has shown creatine is a useful supplement to take and does work.
Obviously the gains made on creatine will not be a fraction of what even a basic steroid cycle will give you, but its still useful regardless. :D
gives me the shits
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gives me the shits
I know a few people who have that issue with creatine. Luckily I'm not one. ;D
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i tried creatine but was never sure it worked
then i read it increases DHT
so stopped
I wonder if that is the cause of my baldness. Some of these legal, supposedly harmless supplements seem to have some shitty sides.
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i tried creatine but was never sure it worked
then i read it increases DHT
so stopped
LOL, the "hairanoia" is everywhere!
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I wonder if that is the cause of my baldness. Some of these legal, supposedly harmless supplements seem to have some shitty sides.
I've been using creatine since the dawn of time and my hair is fine. It efficacy is measured in hundredths of a percentage point. It is the natty's "finishing touch" to put 0.0025" of water-film on your arm over the course of a year.
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Whats wrong with you wes do you think everybody wants to take steroids, for the natural bodybuilder creatine is the best option, they can also take some zma to make sure the test levels are ok from all the hard training and a joint supplement and eat eat.
Calm down Gloria,I was just goofing around.
::)
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Calm down Gloria,I was just goofing around.
::)
Never mess with a black man when he wants fried chicken or when a natural bodybuilder wants his creatine now here you go.
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Thanks Mac,and YES.........I would definately recommend frontloading when doing Creatine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a very effective tactic of the pros.
I increase my dosage as the cycle goes on,then I taper downwards getting closer to the end of my cycle.
HMB is the perfect post cycle therapy when using Creatine.
To avoid the dreaded post "Creatine Crash",just switch the Creatine in your cycle to Glutamine and watch those muscles blow right up from within.......no crashing what so ever and the switch makes the bodys receptors just suck up the new compound that is Glutamine resulting in even further anabolism !!
Never combine Creatine with NO2....very common mistake of "the more is better" generation.....very dangerous and toxic combination.....err on the side of caution and keep your kidneys intact by not trying this unsafe combination of compounds.
One word of caution when using good Pharm Grade Creatine is to take a joint supplement as the muscles become so strong,that the joints can become traumatized due to the fact that their growth cannot keep up with the growth of the skeletal muscle.
Very potent stuff this Creatine.......don`t take stupidly huge doses as you can and will get too big,too fast! :)
Train hard and eat good and thank me later! ;)
"a friend of mine" wants to buy raw creatine and brew it at home, are raw creatine from china safe ?
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What a waste of time and energy taking that worthless shit. 10 mg of dbol preworkout if you don't want to be a full time juicer.
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http://www.flexonline.com/nutrition/supplements/dosing-dilemma
According to this new article I need 47 grams a day.
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This is starting to sound like a discussion on bb.com.
Fucking A.... can't believe we're discussing creatine on getbig. Wanna increase your muscle's creatine levels? Use steroids
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Fucking A.... can't believe we're discussing creatine on getbig. Wanna increase your muscle's creatine levels? Use steroids
And what if we are not willing to drastically increase our risk of illness and early mortality? Does that mean we can't seek small marginal improvements?
I basically dismissed all supplements a long time ago and I'm just considering that perhaps some of them have some small value. Obviously nothing like steroids but maybe not totally insignificant either.
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Dianabol is an excellent supplement.
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lmao creatine, what the hell is this, bodybuilding.com? t-nation?
oh wait, t-nation has actually been linked as a serious source on getbig.com :D :D :D
i wonder what the thermometer reads down yonder over the styx right about now
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And what if we are not willing to drastically increase our risk of illness and early mortality? Does that mean we can't seek small marginal improvements?
I basically dismissed all supplements a long time ago and I'm just considering that perhaps some of them have some small value. Obviously nothing like steroids but maybe not totally insignificant either.
Eh.
Can look good natural, dude. No creatine or prohormones. Just sacrificing diet-wise for 6 months and doing a lot of cardio and some weight training. And an endless basin of patience.
If you're going to get on pharmaceuticals, go for the real thing. Don't drive a toy steering wheel in your living room pretending it's a real car because you're scared of getting in the driver's seat of an actual automobile.
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I hated creatine, made me feel bloated and fucked with my stomach.
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I hated creatine, made me feel bloated and fucked with my stomach.
Strong words. Watery. Yes. Hate? No. ;D
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Strong words. Watery. Yes. Hate? No. ;D
If I'm gonna feel bloated I want it to be from to much beer ;D
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If I'm gonna feel bloated I want it to be from to much beer ;D
Atta boy! And, hey, only 45 mins work and a call to the Mum in NM - the bloat starts. Start your engines. ;D
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Lol@ creatine , I remember in the late nineties when it came out and all the media were calling it a steroid, because anyone who gained 30pounds of muscle in 4 months from drugs were using creatine as their excuse for why.
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Lol@ creatine , I remember in the late nineties when it came out and all the media were calling it a steroid, because anyone who gained 30pounds of muscle in 4 months from drugs were using creatine as their excuse for why.
Hahaha exactly. I remember when I first bought some creatine I didn't tell any of my friends in case they lost respect for me ;D
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Hahaha exactly. I remember when I first bought some creatine I didn't tell any of my friends in case they lost respect for me ;D
Hahaha yes, in the late nineties the drug users were just on creatine, now the drug users are just hard working naturals who eat and lift religiously and have myostatin deficiency
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Hahaha yes, in the late nineties the drug users were just on creatine, now the drug users are just hard working naturals who eat and lift religiously and have myostatin deficiency
Hahaha yes, the good old myostatin deficiency which seems to become more and more acute the longer these naturals have been training. Hopefully someone will find a cure for this terrible ailment before too many livers and kidneys fail due to the sheer amount of vitamins they need to take
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And what if we are not willing to drastically increase our risk of illness and early mortality? Does that mean we can't seek small marginal improvements?
I basically dismissed all supplements a long time ago and I'm just considering that perhaps some of them have some small value. Obviously nothing like steroids but maybe not totally insignificant either.
Then prepare to look unimpressive
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"a friend of mine" wants to buy raw creatine and brew it at home, are raw creatine from china safe ?
No China is filt,,,,,,, scam, ,,,,,,,,,,, scambag
not Wes approved
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i used PRO LAB creatine yrs ago n the STUFF WORKS BIGTIME, i got stronger n fuller in about 3 weeks, im not big on supplements but i really liked that
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Then prepare to look unimpressive
My body is ready.
I took my first dose today...should I update you guys on my gains. This could get realkt freaky, the powder was cheap enough but what if I have to buy a whole new wardrobe to fit my swoled body? Maybe cover those costs with fitness modeling, might as well put thw beef to work.
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Personally as a natty
I load up on a DOUBLE shot of johnny walker black before the gym on heavy days and a sam adams on light days
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Hahaha yes, the good old myostatin deficiency which seems to become more and more acute the longer these naturals have been training. Hopefully someone will find a cure for this terrible ailment before too many livers and kidneys fail due to the sheer amount of vitamins they need to take
;D