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Title: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Tedim on March 04, 2014, 10:57:31 AM
to present a financial aid package to the interim government, which needs as much as $15 billion in the coming years to stay afloat.

What fuckin right do they have to send money to anyone without approval from Congress or the electorate, American freedom is dead.....just hammer in the last nail and get it over with.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 04, 2014, 11:31:48 AM
to present a financial aid package to the interim government, which needs as much as $15 billion in the coming years to stay afloat.

What fuckin right do they have to send money to anyone without approval from Congress or the electorate, American freedom is dead.....just hammer in the last nail and get it over with.

Would love to be that nail.  Seriously though, let the people decide.  Let there be a plebiscite, and if half want to go into Russia, let them.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 04, 2014, 11:33:53 AM
Marcel Bergsma needs to guest pose in Ukraine to calm people down.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
Last I heard, US was ready to offer 1 billion.... that's like a fart in desert for a country of 40 million and empty accounts.

U.S. Promises $1 Billion for Ukraine

http://world.time.com/2014/03/04/ukraine-united-states-aid-john-kerry/



Their standing debt to Gazprom alone at the moment is 1,55 billion dollars. Gazprom demands it to be paid now.

Now, Gazprom is considering raising prices on March 1 unless Ukraine pays $1.55 billion for owed fuel costs.


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-wants-ukraine-to-pay-fuel-debt-2014-3
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: wes on March 04, 2014, 01:12:47 PM
Marcel Bergsma needs to guest pose in Ukraine to calm people down.
Yes,and I`d love to meet him one day also.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 04, 2014, 01:16:16 PM
to present a financial aid package to the interim government, which needs as much as $15 billion in the coming years to stay afloat.

What fuckin right do they have to send money to anyone without approval from Congress or the electorate, American freedom is dead.....just hammer in the last nail and get it over with.

I don't understand why this doesn't ever come up for discussion.  We aren't in good financial shape but we are still hemorrhaging money bribing our enemies and supporting our allies.  Billions of dollars.  What the fuck?  
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 04, 2014, 01:17:39 PM
I guess I can finally relax now that Kerry is on the scene.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: OneMoreRep on March 04, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
What fuckin right do they have to send money to anyone without approval from Congress or the electorate

I think everyone is sick and tired of the US getting involved in the entire world's affairs.

Our economy is struggling, yet instead of infusing some of those billions of dollars into our own economy, we are giving it away.

"1"
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 04, 2014, 01:21:58 PM
Last I heard, US was ready to offer 1 billion.... that's like a fart in desert for a country of 40 million and empty accounts.

U.S. Promises $1 Billion for Ukraine

http://world.time.com/2014/03/04/ukraine-united-states-aid-john-kerry/



Their standing debt to Gazprom alone at the moment is 1,55 billion dollars. Gazprom demands it to be paid now.

Now, Gazprom is considering raising prices on March 1 unless Ukraine pays $1.55 billion for owed fuel costs.


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-wants-ukraine-to-pay-fuel-debt-2014-3


I wonder what would happen if Ukraine shut down/tampered with the pipelines running through their country?
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
I wonder what would happen if Ukraine shut down/tampered with the pipelines running through their country?

Europe would be without gas and pissed. Although the new lines like Nord stream go directly to places like Germany.
That's why Ukraine doesn't have possibility to do that. Plus Ukraine most likely gets some sort of payment for being transit country and seeing how they can't afford to lose a single ruble, dollar or euro, it's in their interests to keep it flowing.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 04, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
Why can't the USA promise money to it's own citizens?
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
Mr. Kerry in Kiev today.
He has a wig, right? Not saying it'a a bad thing. I will buy one if I loose my hair (no gay).

(http://i.imgur.com/2cePbS8.jpg)
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 04, 2014, 02:44:41 PM
Mr. Kerry in Kiev today.
He has a wig, right? Not saying it'a a bad thing. I will buy one if I loose my hair (no gay).

(http://i.imgur.com/2cePbS8.jpg)

Alot of old tires out there.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Alot of old tires out there.

Yes, Those are summer tires. They are waiting for spring. Many Ukrainians don't have garages where they could store them.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 04, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
Why can't the USA promise money to it's own citizens?
We have to work for it as Marty Champion says.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 04, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
We have to work for it as Marty Champion says.

Some of us do to pay for the others who don't.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Parker on March 04, 2014, 03:03:56 PM
Why can't the USA promise money to it's own citizens?
Well they do that in the form of social services...go say your back hurts and you too can get SSD...
But, doing it in the form of aid, hahaha, that's free money, and you know you can't stop the hand outs there...it's like feeding bears.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: DanielPaul on March 04, 2014, 03:04:37 PM
Kerry has the longest fucking face I've ever seen, he has more of a horse face than Sara Jessica Parker.  He looks like that dude Rocky on the movie mask.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: jude2 on March 04, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
I think everyone is sick and tired of the US getting involved in the entire world's affairs.

Our economy is struggling, yet instead of infusing some of those billions of dollars into our own economy, we are giving it away.

"1"
This is why most of the World hates us.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: The Scott on March 04, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
I think everyone is sick and tired of the US getting involved in the entire world's affairs.

Our economy is struggling, yet instead of infusing some of those billions of dollars into our own economy, we are giving it away.

"1"

Yup.  Home is where the heart is.  It's where our coffers should be too.  The world "hates" us?  Stop feeding them.  Stop protecting them.  Stop kowtowing to foreign leaders and interests.

Secretary of State Herman Munster is an animated dermoid.   
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: SCRUBS on March 04, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
Yeah, I hear that Herman Munster looking mofo wants to give away the US tax payers money...  >:(
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: pedro01 on March 04, 2014, 11:48:57 PM
to present a financial aid package to the interim government, which needs as much as $15 billion in the coming years to stay afloat.

What fuckin right do they have to send money to anyone without approval from Congress or the electorate, American freedom is dead.....just hammer in the last nail and get it over with.

Not only that - an unelected government to boot!
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: mass243 on March 05, 2014, 02:55:47 AM

Ukrainian 'government',
If I was a banker, I wouldn't give them a free pencil...
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Mr.1derful on March 05, 2014, 03:16:32 AM
Yup.  Home is where the heart is.  It's where our coffers should be too.  The world "hates" us?  Stop feeding them.  Stop protecting them.  Stop kowtowing to foreign leaders and interests.

  

More like, stop invading, bombing and droning them. 
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: The Scott on March 05, 2014, 05:30:40 PM
More like, stop invading, bombing and droning them. 

Riiiiight.  Not since WWII have we been allowed to fight a war.  Probably the only reason we could really carpet bomb the Germans is that liberals hate Caucasians.  They still do.

Except themselves of course.

So yes, stop feeding the world.  Stop saving the world.  Stop helping the world.   Hate 'em back.   
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Mr.1derful on March 05, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
Riiiiight.  Not since WWII have we been allowed to fight a war.  Probably the only reason we could really carpet bomb the Germans is that liberals hate Caucasians.  They still do.

Except themselves of course.

So yes, stop feeding the world.  Stop saving the world.  Stop helping the world.   Hate 'em back.  

If the U.S is a friend to the World, I'd hate to see it be an enemy to it.  Saving the World?  Is that a bad joke?  Nuclear bombs on a civilian population in Japan.  The "police action" in Korea.  The phony war in Vietnam, complete with napalm and agent orange, and millions of Vietnamese dead.  The illegal war in Iraq, complete with depleted uranium and white phosphorous bombs and over a million dead Iraqis, with more continuing to die.  The phony war in Afghanistan chasing the boogie man, who apparently is an expert in controlled demolitions.  Destroying Libya.  Funding and arming head cutting extremists and sending them into Syria to destabilize it, in an attempt to initiate regime change.  And now Ukraine, with the same old story in an attempt to isolate the Russians.  All while bankrupting its own citizens.  Yes U.S Government, do the World a favor and f*ck off.  
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: The Scott on March 05, 2014, 06:30:29 PM
If the U.S is a friend to the World, I'd hate to see it be an enemy to it.  Saving the World?  Is that a bad joke?  Nuclear bombs on a civilian population in Japan.  The "police action" in Korea.  The phony war in Vietnam, complete with napalm and agent orange, and millions of Vietnamese dead.  The illegal war in Iraq, complete with depleted uranium and white phosphorous bombs and over a million dead Iraqis, with more continuing to die.  The phony war in Afghanistan chasing the boogie man, who apparently is an expert in controlled demolitions.  Destroying Libya.  Funding and arming head cutting extremists and sending them into Syria to destabilize it, in an attempt to initiate regime change.  And now Ukraine, with the same old story in an attempt to isolate the Russians.  All while bankrupting its own citizens.  Yes U.S Government, do the World a favor and f*ck off.  

We won.  It's called VE and VJ Day and we won.  Otherwise the world would be speaking German and/or Japanese.  Don't care for it?  Nothing I can or would care to do to help you get over it.    The world (except our true allies) can go into  a closet and suck eggs.  The next time a tsunami hits anywhere in the world, let the fifth world countries fend for themselves.  The next time Africa has a major famine, let them eat dirt.    The next time any worthless dictator takes over an equally worthless country, the citizens of that nation can take it back themselves. 

Do the US a favor and don't ask for our or anyone's help.  Riiiiiight....Like that is going to happen.  The US is not perfect but we're also not imperfect.  We both know that neither of our scenarios will ever happen.  By the way, if you really want to destroy a rival nation, simply export liberalism to it.  Hopefully we can stop its fungicidal growth here.

Be well.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: Mr.1derful on March 05, 2014, 06:58:31 PM
We won.  It's called VE and VJ Day and we won.  Otherwise the world would be speaking German and/or Japanese.  Don't care for it?  Nothing I can or would care to do to help you get over it.    The world (except our true allies) can go into  a closet and suck eggs.  The next time a tsunami hits anywhere in the world, let the fifth world countries fend for themselves.  The next time Africa has a major famine, let them eat dirt.    The next time any worthless dictator takes over an equally worthless country, the citizens of that nation can take it back themselves.  

Do the US a favor and don't ask for our or anyone's help.  Riiiiiight....Like that is going to happen.  The US is not perfect but we're also not imperfect.  We both know that neither of our scenarios will ever happen.  By the way, if you really want to destroy a rival nation, simply export liberalism to it.  Hopefully we can stop its fungicidal growth here.

Be well.

  

You said, "The US is not perfect but we're also not imperfect." - That's completely nonsensical.  And by the way, you guys typically put in place the worthless dictator.  He just has to be one that acts as a puppet for the U.S government.  He can kill as much as he likes, so long as he obeys his masters.  Freedom and democracy, I forgot.  Right up there with weapons of mass destruction.
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: 24KT on March 05, 2014, 10:27:19 PM
I wonder what would happen if Ukraine shut down/tampered with the pipelines running through their country?


They wouldn't dare. Europe would be f**ked, and would have no choice but to turn to Iran for their oil, which would demand the safety and security of the Iran / Syrian pipeline, which would through a further monkey wrench into the agenda of the Saudi's and the Israelis. Having your fuel supply controlled by a bunch of radical cannibals is no one's idea of stability of supply.  :D

Tonight I saw Canada's own Prime Minister declaring support for sanctions against Ukrainian President Yakunovich <sp> WTF? More and more we see NATO leaders supporting civil unrest, rioters, and people whose very actions are textbook definitions of terrorism (achieving political agendas by means of random violence & intimidation) yet they support them? ??? I wonder how they would respond should these same tactics be deployed within the borders of their own countries? And how is a legitimate, and democratically elected President or Head of State not permitted to request assistance from a neighboring ally during times of social unrest? Why was it OK for the President of Grenada to request that Bush send in the military to her tiny Caribbean island, ...but Yakunovich is not entitled to the same consideration? I don't see a consistent policy here? I am confused. Would it perhaps become clearer if viewed through a different lens.... the doctrine of hypocrisy perhaps?  ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev, Ukraine
Post by: 24KT on March 05, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
We won.  It's called VE and VJ Day and we won.  Otherwise the world would be speaking German and/or Japanese.  Don't care for it?  Nothing I can or would care to do to help you get over it.    The world (except our true allies) can go into  a closet and suck eggs.  The next time a tsunami hits anywhere in the world, let the fifth world countries fend for themselves.  The next time Africa has a major famine, let them eat dirt.    The next time any worthless dictator takes over an equally worthless country, the citizens of that nation can take it back themselves.  

Dude, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! SERIOUSLY!!!
The time to circle the wagons has long past. Wake Up and smell the freaking coffee.  ::)

Do the US a favor and don't ask for our or anyone's help.  Riiiiiight....Like that is going to happen.  The US is not perfect but we're also not imperfect.  We both know that neither of our scenarios will ever happen.  By the way, if you really want to destroy a rival nation, simply export liberalism to it.  Hopefully we can stop its fungicidal growth here.

Be well.

Don't worry about stopping fungicidal growth stateside. Monsanto, the makers of Agent Orange, DDT, GMOs & RoundUp owns your government. It's former lawyer, Vice President and Congressional lobbyist is in charge of your FDA, so don't worry, ...their toxic shit will wipe out ALL LIFE within your country. Just give it a bit of time ;D