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UPDATED-Koch bros' fake "Obamacare victim" Julie Boonstra made to look even more foolish & exploited
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EclectablogFollow .
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"It can’t be true…I personally do not believe that."
Cross-posted from Eclectablog.
My home town of Dexter has been in the national news a bit lately. It started when Congressman Tim "the Original Tea Partier" Walberg invited a resident of our Stars Hollow-like village, Julie Boonstra, to be his guest at President Obama's State of the Union address as a "victim of Obamacare".
From there, she was featured in an anti-Gary Peters ad by the Koch brothers' front group Americans for Prosperity, an ad that has gotten more attention after being completely debunked than it would have gotten otherwise.
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AFP doubled down, running another ad where Boonstra tearfully cries about being "silenced" by Gary Peters who questioned her veracity. Julie Boonstra may be the loudest "silenced" person this country has ever known.
Now Boonstra is making the news again after an excellent bit of journalism by Detroit News reporter Marisa Schultz tears her already debunked story to shreds:
Boonstra said Monday her new plan she dislikes is the Blue Cross Premier Gold health care plan, which caps patient responsibility for out-of-pocket costs at $5,100 a year, lower than the federal law’s maximum of $6,350 a year. It means the new plan will save her at least $1,200 compared with her former insurance plan she preferred that was ended under Obamacare’s coverage requirements.
A Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan spokesman said the insurer welcomes a chance to help members understand their benefits and alleviate concerns.
“We are here to help people like Ms. Boonstra to work their way through adjusting to the health plans we are now offering them,” the Blue’s Andy Hetzel said. “If there are questions ... they should call.”
Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses.
By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay this year for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952.
When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”
“I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.
She cannot believe this very likely because she has been fed a pack of lies by groups who want to exploit her, a woman with life-threatening leukemia, to help achieve their crass political goals.
Americans for Prosperity and other conservative groups and individuals have accused Gary Peters, who wrote a letter to television stations playing the offensive ad to either force AFP to prove their claims or pull the ad, of exploiting the poor, innocent cancer patient. The truth of the matter is that Julie Boonstra IS being exploited. She's being exploited by the Koch brothers and the chances are good she's being exploited by her ex-husband. Julie Boonstra was once married to Mark Boonstra, a former chair of the Washtenaw County Republican Party. She is the mother of his children and co-owns a vacant lot with Mr. Boonstra's next door to his Dexter home:
Screen shot from Washtenaw County Property/Parcel Lookup website
The fact is, Julie Boonstra will SAVE MONEY with the new plan that she moved to due to the Affordable Care Act. In fact, she'll save over $1,200 annually. Her big fear about the "unpredictability" of when the bills will come due is all but laughed at by the insurance company spokesperson interviewed for the Detroit News article. Boonstra is literally complaining that she MIGHT have to pay more per month early in the year even though she'll pay less over the course of the year. There is no risk whatsoever that she won't be able to afford her medication which will cause her to die.
Ms. Boonstra claims that Harry Reid and Gary Peters owe her an apology. She certainly is owed an apology, but not from Peters or Reid. She is owed an apology from Charles and David Koch, Americans for Prosperity, Tim Walberg, and very possibly from her ex-husband Michigan Court of Appeals Justice Mark Boonstra. They are the ones exploiting a vulnerable woman with leukemia, making her the laughing stock of the country in the process, not the Democrats trying to make sure EVERYONE has access to affordable health insurance. Just like Julie Boonstra now has.
UPDATE: The Washington Post has downgraded Boonstra's story from "Two Pinocchios" to "Three Pinocchios":
- ne cannot claim that a plan is “unaffordable” when over the course of the year it will provide you with substantial savings. Thus we are changing the rating on this ad from Two Pinocchios to Three Pinocchios.
Not sure why an outright lie doesn't merit four Pinocchios but this is a start, I suppose...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFAQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2014%2F02%2F21%2Fkoch-brothers-running-extremely-dishonest-obamacare-ad.html&ei=amQfU6qjI8GbygGeg4CYCA&usg=AFQjCNG718Kh7SaFTL1WzYwhQ0rw_e5Hbw
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Don't know about her - but for me - its 1300 more a year and 6500 more in deductible.
F Obama
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Don't know about her - but for me - its 1300 more a year and 6500 more in deductible.
F Obama
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UPDATED-Koch bros' fake "Obamacare victim" Julie Boonstra made to look even more foolish & exploited
by
EclectablogFollow .
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"It can’t be true…I personally do not believe that."
Cross-posted from Eclectablog.
My home town of Dexter has been in the national news a bit lately. It started when Congressman Tim "the Original Tea Partier" Walberg invited a resident of our Stars Hollow-like village, Julie Boonstra, to be his guest at President Obama's State of the Union address as a "victim of Obamacare".
From there, she was featured in an anti-Gary Peters ad by the Koch brothers' front group Americans for Prosperity, an ad that has gotten more attention after being completely debunked than it would have gotten otherwise.
.
AFP doubled down, running another ad where Boonstra tearfully cries about being "silenced" by Gary Peters who questioned her veracity. Julie Boonstra may be the loudest "silenced" person this country has ever known.
Now Boonstra is making the news again after an excellent bit of journalism by Detroit News reporter Marisa Schultz tears her already debunked story to shreds:
Boonstra said Monday her new plan she dislikes is the Blue Cross Premier Gold health care plan, which caps patient responsibility for out-of-pocket costs at $5,100 a year, lower than the federal law’s maximum of $6,350 a year. It means the new plan will save her at least $1,200 compared with her former insurance plan she preferred that was ended under Obamacare’s coverage requirements.
A Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan spokesman said the insurer welcomes a chance to help members understand their benefits and alleviate concerns.
“We are here to help people like Ms. Boonstra to work their way through adjusting to the health plans we are now offering them,” the Blue’s Andy Hetzel said. “If there are questions ... they should call.”
Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses.
By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay this year for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952.
When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”
“I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.
She cannot believe this very likely because she has been fed a pack of lies by groups who want to exploit her, a woman with life-threatening leukemia, to help achieve their crass political goals.
Americans for Prosperity and other conservative groups and individuals have accused Gary Peters, who wrote a letter to television stations playing the offensive ad to either force AFP to prove their claims or pull the ad, of exploiting the poor, innocent cancer patient. The truth of the matter is that Julie Boonstra IS being exploited. She's being exploited by the Koch brothers and the chances are good she's being exploited by her ex-husband. Julie Boonstra was once married to Mark Boonstra, a former chair of the Washtenaw County Republican Party. She is the mother of his children and co-owns a vacant lot with Mr. Boonstra's next door to his Dexter home:
Screen shot from Washtenaw County Property/Parcel Lookup website
The fact is, Julie Boonstra will SAVE MONEY with the new plan that she moved to due to the Affordable Care Act. In fact, she'll save over $1,200 annually. Her big fear about the "unpredictability" of when the bills will come due is all but laughed at by the insurance company spokesperson interviewed for the Detroit News article. Boonstra is literally complaining that she MIGHT have to pay more per month early in the year even though she'll pay less over the course of the year. There is no risk whatsoever that she won't be able to afford her medication which will cause her to die.
Ms. Boonstra claims that Harry Reid and Gary Peters owe her an apology. She certainly is owed an apology, but not from Peters or Reid. She is owed an apology from Charles and David Koch, Americans for Prosperity, Tim Walberg, and very possibly from her ex-husband Michigan Court of Appeals Justice Mark Boonstra. They are the ones exploiting a vulnerable woman with leukemia, making her the laughing stock of the country in the process, not the Democrats trying to make sure EVERYONE has access to affordable health insurance. Just like Julie Boonstra now has.
UPDATE: The Washington Post has downgraded Boonstra's story from "Two Pinocchios" to "Three Pinocchios":
- ne cannot claim that a plan is “unaffordable” when over the course of the year it will provide you with substantial savings. Thus we are changing the rating on this ad from Two Pinocchios to Three Pinocchios.
Not sure why an outright lie doesn't merit four Pinocchios but this is a start, I suppose...
Link please
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Link please
That would be nice, unless this is (as usual) another liberal dead-tree pub, desperately trying to stop the bleeding on the debacle that is ObamaCare.
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Not a "dead-tree" publication. It's a left-wing 'progressive' blog, desperately trying to spin ObamaCare.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/03/koch-brothers-fake-obamacare-victim-julie-boonstra-made-to-look-even-more-foolish-and-exploited.html
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That would be nice, unless this is (as usual) another liberal dead-tree pub, desperately trying to stop the bleeding on the debacle that is ObamaCare.
Yeah, its not airtight either way. So stuff like this will get spun up constantly.
Bottom Line: Mine went up 68%. And we all see 333333's
Crapcare= fail
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That would be nice, unless this is (as usual) another liberal dead-tree pub, desperately trying to stop the bleeding on the debacle that is ObamaCare.
just worry about your dog women :D
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Yeah, its not airtight either way. So stuff like this will get spun up constantly.
Bottom Line: Mine went up 68%. And we all see 333333's
Crapcare= fail
Mine has gone up, too (not by THAT much). But, all that saving $2500 a year mess has gone up in smoke.
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just worry about your dog women :D
They're not my dog-women, just the usual "we told you so" routine regarding another liberal tenet running its usual course.
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They're not my dog-women, just the usual "we told you so" routine regarding another liberal tenet running its usual course.
these nuts have been marrying animals long before same sex marriage was legal,get over it same sex marriage here to stay so what was your excuse before gay marrage
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Don't know about her - but for me - its 1300 more a year and 6500 more in deductible.
F Obama
my rate stayed the same, I'm keeping all my doctors, my plan was a good one to begin with.
thank you, Mr. President.
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I kept my Blue Cross with no changes to the plan.
The cost went up 38% due to two new taxes.
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I kept my Blue Cross with no changes to the plan.
The cost went up 38% due to two new taxes.
Unless you make over $250,000, there's another Obama lie biting you in the backside.
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my rate stayed the same, I'm keeping all my doctors, my plan was a good one to begin with.
thank you, Mr. President.
So you still support OB as long you don't get fucked over. I get it.
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So you still support OB as long you don't get fucked over. I get it.
So much for "shared sacrifice".
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mine hasn't gone up. because the Obamacare mandates were postponed.....(probably because they don't want anyone to see the truth before the next election.)
they actually went down a little in the absence of the Obamacare mandates.
so once these mandates come into play, the cost will rise by more than the 46% our Blue Cross Blue Shield guy originally told us. so we'll see. it's going to be ugly for me....because I work for a living and pay taxes.
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Don't know about her - but for me - its 1300 more a year and 6500 more in deductible.
F Obama
Have you really spent enough time on this to know that for sure?
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my rate stayed the same, I'm keeping all my doctors, my plan was a good one to begin with.
thank you, Mr. President.
Same situation here.
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Unless you make over $250,000, there's another Obama lie biting you in the backside.
I don't understand your point.
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my rate stayed the same, I'm keeping all my doctors, my plan was a good one to begin with.
Same here for this year any way. Others haven`t fared so well...
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Same here for this year any way. Others haven`t fared so well...
That was not what was promised
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I don't understand your point.
Obama said nobody making under $250K would see their taxes go up 'one dime'. ObamaCare is a tax (which is why it survived the Supreme Court). So, if your rates are going up due to ObamaCare and you make under that amount of money, Obama is a liar.
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That was not what was promised
You are 100% correct SC. The president sold us to the insurance companies and they are taking full advantage of it, by way of higher premiums and higher deductibles.
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Have you really spent enough time on this to know that for sure?
the point is that Obama said over and over and over that "if you have insurance nothing changes for you". and nothing did......except for the mandates that Obama placed on our insurance companies that made the premiums skyrocket....so.......no thing changed except for the dramatic price increase? why should we have to spend ANY time? we were happy with our insurance before.
the fact that the mandates were extended just leads me to believe that this administration doesn't want businesses like mine to see how much their premiums skyrocket until after election time. there's no other good explanation.
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remember too that it was also stated over and over again that this wasn't a health insurance takeover. so put mandates on health insurance companies forcing them into increasing premium prices and then go and offer plans with slightly lower deductibles and whenever you hear a complaint, point them in the direction of your health care insurance exchange. I mean come on! what else do you really call that?
but everyone conveniently forgets what was said in order to defend to the death their ideology.
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but everyone conveniently forgets what was said in order to defend to the death their ideology.
The politicians count on it...
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the point is that Obama said over and over and over that "if you have insurance nothing changes for you". and nothing did......except for the mandates that Obama placed on our insurance companies that made the premiums skyrocket....so.......no thing changed except for the dramatic price increase? why should we have to spend ANY time? we were happy with our insurance before.
the fact that the mandates were extended just leads me to believe that this administration doesn't want businesses like mine to see how much their premiums skyrocket until after election time. there's no other good explanation.
Bump for RRKore.....
And they have the balls to call this the "Affordable Care Act"?
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the point is that Obama said over and over and over that "if you have insurance nothing changes for you". and nothing did......except for the mandates that Obama placed on our insurance companies that made the premiums skyrocket....so.......no thing changed except for the dramatic price increase? why should we have to spend ANY time? we were happy with our insurance before.
the fact that the mandates were extended just leads me to believe that this administration doesn't want businesses like mine to see how much their premiums skyrocket until after election time. there's no other good explanation.
"We were happy with our insurance before." Really? Who's "we"?
Ugh, the more I think about that sentence the more it sucks.
I can imagine landed whites in the old South saying "We were happy with slavery before".
I agree that ACA sucks but it seems like something had to be done about healthcare in this country for more than just a couple of reasons.
Hopefully ACA is just a short-lived temporary step before single payer is adopted in this country. I will vote for it, for sure.
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Bump for RRKore.....
And they have the balls to call this the "Affordable Care Act"?
Par for the course, isn't it? Orwellian doublespeak names for gov't programs pretty much seems to be the norm. At least since the GWB days, anyway.
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Par for the course, isn't it? Orwellian doublespeak names for gov't programs pretty much seems to be the norm. At least since the GWB days, anyway.
lol yep.
I wasn't happy with health insurance before. But its an over bloated system. Just look at the cost compared to other countries. It needed regulation that would overhaul the system gradually and make it more affordable and easier to get.
All they really did, was make it easier to get, but you pay through the nose now AND because of the regulations old cheaper policies that people were happy with got axed.
We got fucked. no 2 ways about it. Unless of course you make less than 45K per year. Think about it. For a $2000-$6000 deductible insurance a person making 50K per year, self employed, has to pay 10% or more of his income to Health insurance.
How can anyone defend this?
Its gonna get worse too when the rest of the mandates hit.
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"We were happy with our insurance before." Really? Who's "we"?
Ugh, the more I think about that sentence the more it sucks.
I can imagine landed whites in the old South saying "We were happy with slavery before".
I agree that ACA sucks but it seems like something had to be done about healthcare in this country for more than just a couple of reasons.
Hopefully ACA is just a short-lived temporary step before single payer is adopted in this country. I will vote for it, for sure.
well wait a minute now. Was I happy with my health insurance? of course not. I've been paying about $12,000 a year for the last 10 years of my life and don't use barely any of it with the exception of my kids being born. but yeah I was happier than I will be when the mandates kick in and my premiums skyrocket.
so yeah I've been overpaying while others get a free ride. Hospitals don't turn anyone away. but now i'm being asked to pay more when I was specifically told that NOTHING was going to change. meanwhile there's still the same amount of people who are uninsured and the only thing that has changed so far is that the premiums went up for everyone who actually paid their health insurance. and taxes went up for the same people too. you know.... to cover the costs of putting the burden on them to pay for other peoples health care. there is no argument that so far nothing good has come of Obamacare except the middle class has been burdened with more debt and more taxes.
I hope more than anyone that Obamacare proves all of its detractors wrong and that I can go to the exchange and get comparable health insurance for a lower price. We'll see.