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show me the science
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show me the science
no science, mountains of evidence.
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there's mountains of evidence jesus existed as well. i need science
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Kevin Levronie agrees, kind of.
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well i have always liked Dips better. never been a good Bench Press guy. you can Train chest without them. Decline press i like better too.
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Ronnie Coleman said hammer strength was superior, as pictured.
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/650x360_rotator/public/Heath_0.jpg)
Hammer machines are great.
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I strained both pec minors from heavy BB press...Fuck that noise. Only DBS from now on. Fixed angles don't work for me
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some people argued that dumbel press is even more dangerous
why? you can Twist your Hands ...etc etc. Ok you have to stabilize a weight in each Hand. i think BB press causes more stress. Just my opinion and i have used DBs when shoulder pain was an issue.
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Kevin Levronie agrees, kind of.
I read that he injured his pec doing VERY low DB flyes, using only the 60s.
I can't remember where I left my car keys this AM, but some obscure FLEX mag article I read in the 90s, that pops right into my head.
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some people argued that dumbel press is even more dangerous
you can drop dumbells
they are much safer
also you will use a more natural range of motion
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you can drop dumbells
they are much safer
also you will use a more natural range of motion
agreed.
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Don't lift weights if you're that concerned...there's no guarantee it wont happen to you tomorrow
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Ronnie Coleman said hammer strength was superior, as pictured.
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/650x360_rotator/public/Heath_0.jpg)
That's Phil Heath you dip shit, argument over seeing as Phil has the shittiest chest of all Mr Olympias period.
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Not worth the risk.
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I read that he injured his pec doing VERY low DB flyes, using only the 60s.
I can't remember where I left my car keys this AM, but some obscure FLEX mag article I read in the 90s, that pops right into my head.
I read the same article. He says he was warming up with the 60's.
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Don't lift weights if you're that concerned...there's no guarantee it wont happen to you tomorrow
When are you coming out to train strongman? We can meet at Coachs gym. 8)
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That's Phil Heath you dip shit, argument over seeing as Phil has the shittiest chest of all Mr Olympias period.
I read somewhere that Phil has added volume + intensity to this year's training program, so his chest will be vastly improved and we'll be seeing a brand new Phil heath package at the O next year.
It's not every day we hear such bold predictions from bodybuilders, so needless to say, I'm pretty excited.
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hehe you are so funny and badass hehe
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No need to get your panties twisted...its just the truth. Injuries happen. I warm up and take precautions..but I'm not a fucking imbecile and think I still cant get hurt
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THE old flex magazine workouts preaching basics.basics,basics,barbell press for mass/gain 50 lbs on your bench read this...not knowing that most people are not made to bench heavy weights or people that have orangutang arms
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THE old flex magazine workouts preaching basics.basics,basics,barbell press for mass/gain 50 lbs on your bench read this...not knowing that most people are not made to bench heavy weights or people that have orangutang arms
yes... and itīs about FEELING the muscle. You know it Steve because you have a great chest and triceps. when i jump off the parallel bars i feel a muscle contraction that i never get with bb bench. i Bench at the Moment but Dips are for me superior.
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Biggest problem with the bench is not the exercise, it is people letting their ego's get out of control and going way too heavy.
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There's always a chance you might get injured lifting. Over the years while training chest and shoulders I have dislocated my shoulder doing db presses, I have strained my pec on hammer inclines, I have strained my shoulders on cybex press machines, I have tweaked my pec and bicep on the smith machine doin inclines, I have strained my bicep doing traditional flat benches.
Today I just don't get crazy. If I feel even slighly compromised I either skip the movement, change it up or call it an early day.
For example 2 weeks ago training chest I used a hammer plate-loaded incline and had 8 plates loaded. I hit the 6th rep, it didn't feel right and I stopped. Monday I trained chest (national chest day) and did the same hammer inclines again with 8 plates and put up 24 reps no problem. Point is you never know exactly how your body is gonna react.
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When are you coming out to train strongman? We can meet at Coachs gym. 8)
Sigh.....another list... :'(
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I've always said its safe for naturals. A buddy of mine tore his pec after he started juicing. I remember when he could barley get 1 rep with 225. Next thing you know he's getting 385 and tears the shit out of chest.
I've always been curious of the injury's between enhanced and naturals.
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As long as you warm up and slowly pyramid up the weights you wont have any injury, I have being benching all my life and never had a problem.
Now for a little rant what up with all you pussies these days afraid of benchpress, squats and deadlifts, no wonder a lot of people dont have that hard power look to their physique cause all they do is machine so you look like a built woman without tits.
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Ripping any muscle is not worth it. It reduces the quality/size of that particular muscle and degrades the overall physique.
On the other hand, if you're the type that has no problem having gyno, massive stretch marks, extra fat most of the year.... ripping a bodypart from its insertion will make you more hardcore/respected/the real deal...amongst the .0001% of the population that even remotely care. ;D
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There's always a chance you might get injured lifting. Over the years while training chest and shoulders I have dislocated my shoulder doing db presses, I have strained my pec on hammer inclines, I have strained my shoulders on cybex press machines, I have tweaked my pec and bicep on the smith machine doin inclines, I have strained my bicep doing traditional flat benches.
Today I just don't get crazy. If I feel even slighly compromised I either skip the movement, change it up or call it an early day.
For example 2 weeks ago training chest I used a hammer plate-loaded incline and had 8 plates loaded. I hit the 6th rep, it didn't feel right and I stopped. Monday I trained chest (national chest day) and did the same hammer inclines again with 8 plates and put up 24 reps no problem. Point is you never know exactly how your body is gonna react.
same for me. Two light pec tears in 6 month. Now i'm back, but if when during heavy bench pressing i feel something wrong i stop the set. If i feel ok i kick my ass.
I do the same for squat.
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Injured my shoulder in Iraq, non lifting related but bruised bad. I trained through it...maybe a little harder to warm up and some tendinitis set it. Two years ago I blew it out...minor dislocation pain....on the bench. It took a lot or rehab/prehab but I still manage to compete. I do a lot more Tri work. Its all about warming up. If your not competing for strength I think there are better alternatives or atleast more stuff to mix in to avoid injury.
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Barbell bench press is worthless to me being tall with long arms. Most people that get benefit from it are shorter with a "Barrel chest and ie large rib cage". I'll have to go with dj181 on this one he does Incline db's and almost maxed out the bells when he returns from timeout he will maybe show us pics of the muscle size progress from them.
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same for me. Two light pec tears in 6 month. Now i'm back, but if when during heavy bench pressing i feel something wrong i stop the set. If i feel ok i kick my ass.
I do the same for squat.
Exactly, that's all anyone can do. You learn your body over time and listen to it closely. I trained stupid in my early 20s...got crazy. Today I'm almost 40 and I'm payin the price for that stupidity, but my strength is still great. i just have to be careful I don't blow myself up.
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Barbell bench press is worthless to me being tall with long arms. Most people that get benefit from it are shorter with a "Barrel chest and ie large rib cage". I'll have to go with dj181 on this one he does Incline db's and almost maxed out the bells when he returns from timeout he will maybe show us pics of the muscle size progress from them.
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Incline DB's are great..it can be another ego thing, guys doing 2 inch range of motion or too heavy in general....or spotter doing upright rows.
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Incline DB's are great..it can be another ego thing, guys doing 2 inch range of motion or too heavy in general....or spotter doing upright rows.
Are you saying that Cswole never done a full range rep?
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hehe you are so funny and badass hehe
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haha ;D
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show me the science
do you know how science works?
must have huge studies and all,it not happening.
what is happening is torn partial;y or fully biceps, pecs, shot shoulders etc.
you are a bloody newcomer to this i gather.or an obese fattso pig, give it some time, train heavy while lean then get back.
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Are you saying that Cswole never done a full range rep?
General comment but I'm sure everybody has seen it. DB's way to big and a spotter with the white knuckled deathgrip around the wrists using good leg drive to get each rep up.
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some people argued that dumbel press is even more dangerous
if one knows the movement pfr them personaly. elbow angles etc its all good, but the dangerous part is lifting it into position and when done with last rep imo.
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Agree with that...the knee kick is an art all to itself.
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discuss
Very good training topic. From an injury perspective the barbell bench press is a major source of acute and chronic injury. For those who want to be shown the science behind this here are two studies:
Keogh, J., et al. Epidemiology of injury in powerlifting: Retrospective results. Journal of
Science and Medicine in Sport 6:44, 2003
Raske, A., and R. Norlin. Injury incidence and prevalence among elite weight and power
lifters. American Journal of Sports Medicine 30:248-256, 2002.
Basically, both studies show that shoulder injuries are the most common site of injury in powerlifting. And you could argue that for bodybuilding, the form typically used is even more likely to cause injury. The shoulder is a very vulnerable joint and to stress it with the weight of a heavy bench is taking a risk for sure. Plus I think most people tend to be anterior delt dominant when benching anyway and may be better off stimulating the chest with DBs or dips.
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IF youre young you can do bench press for the first 4 years of training for pure foundation and overall strength .... (if taking bodybuilding seriously) maybe less than that b
I have been told I have the greatest chest development for the past 2 decades in my opinion dumbbell presses is all you need....
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I've always said its safe for naturals. A buddy of mine tore his pec after he started juicing. I remember when he could barley get 1 rep with 225. Next thing you know he's getting 385 and tears the shit out of chest.
I've always been curious of the injury's between enhanced and naturals.
well the tendons and all arent made to hold that supra natural power.and then one day boom.
literaly every strong lifter in my gym had some kind of tear or injury one time.
ah yeah on science topic, wheres the science that shows if one jps from 1 mile height onto conrete ground that its hurtfull?
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do you know how science works?
must have huge studies and all,it not happening.
what is happening is torn partial;y or fully biceps, pecs, shot shoulders etc.
you are a bloody newcomer to this i gather.or an obese fattso pig, give it some time, train heavy while lean then get back.
lol,,,bloody obese fattso
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Agree with that...the knee kick is an art all to itself.
yah for shoulder dumbel presses it alreadfy looks damn scary,but for bench even moreso.
i remember when young, felt invincible, did that with 120 dumbells.
never felt one thing.today itd rip my arm right off haha.
now, with the shoulder properly shot, im in so much pain all day every day, nah this is one of the few things tht werent worth it.
some say can only happen if not warmed up and training too heavy.nah nah, things can wear out over time even when lifting light.
and 1 wrong move, 1milimeter too much rom, 1 second wrong movement, and boom, you have a disaster
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Here is another link to a short case study well worth reading specifically for bodybuilders interested in the topic: http://pectear.com/faq/Rupture%20of%20the%20pectoralis%20major%20muscle%20in%20bodybuilders.pdf
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why? you can Twist your Hands ...etc etc. Ok you have to stabilize a weight in each Hand. i think BB press causes more stress. Just my opinion and i have used DBs when shoulder pain was an issue.
Thats where the difference is. You can twist the hands and position the elbows to fit your body structure. Everyone isnt anatomically identical so that fixed position of the bar isnt perfect for everyone. Too much pressure on my pec minor when I use BB
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Sigh.....another list... :'(
You ever get out to this coast we can dock. :-*
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yah for shoulder dumbel presses it alreadfy looks damn scary,but for bench even moreso.
i remember when young, felt invincible, did that with 120 dumbells.
never felt one thing.today itd rip my arm right off haha.
now, with the shoulder properly shot, im in so much pain all day every day, nah this is one of the few things tht werent worth it.
some say can only happen if not warmed up and training too heavy.nah nah, things can wear out over time even when lifting light.
and 1 wrong move, 1milimeter too much rom, 1 second wrong movement, and boom, you have a disaster
Yeah, that's the danger with muscle tears there can often be no symptoms or indications that you are about to blow something. Compare that to a tendon rupture where you will generally be feeling tendinitis and pain in the affected area before an major injury.
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Here is another link to a short case study well worth reading specifically for bodybuilders interested in the topic: http://pectear.com/faq/Rupture%20of%20the%20pectoralis%20major%20muscle%20in%20bodybuilders.pdf
This just showed what a tear was and how this particular case had a tear as a result of benching. But has there been a comprehensive study on the instances of pec injuries on the BB vs the DB with comparable weight/reps/ and sets.
i know for sure my pec minor had gone to shit on both sides evenly with heavy BB benching.
I just didnt use DBs because they were a pain to lug around and then rack
i have subscriptions to some journals, ill give it a look
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You ever get out to this coast we can dock. :-*
:o
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Yeah, that's the danger with muscle tears there can often be no symptoms or indications that you are about to blow something. Compare that to a tendon rupture where you will generally be feeling tendinitis and pain in the affected area before an major injury.
fuck, i feel tendonitis in so many palces its not even funny.
is that from the cortisone therapy?
i never had anythin like this before, only since cortisone.
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yah for shoulder dumbel presses it alreadfy looks damn scary,but for bench even moreso.
i remember when young, felt invincible, did that with 120 dumbells.
never felt one thing.today itd rip my arm right off haha.
now, with the shoulder properly shot, im in so much pain all day every day, nah this is one of the few things tht werent worth it.
some say can only happen if not warmed up and training too heavy.nah nah, things can wear out over time even when lifting light.
and 1 wrong move, 1milimeter too much rom, 1 second wrong movement, and boom, you have a disaster
but with dbs you have freedom to twist the hands slightly and positions the elbows slightly to complete the movement with your bodys natural allignment. with the BB...youre kind of stuck, even if it feels unnatural. And i think thats where the risk if injury is
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but with dbs you have freedom to twist the hands slightly and positions the elbows slightly to complete the movement with your bodys natural allignment. with the BB...youre kind of stuck, even if it feels unnatural. And i think thats where the risk if injury is
nono i never said otherwise, once the weight is up, the db press is perfect natural movement.
the bb is so unnatural it ridiculous.bc it doesnt bend lol.
just bringing the dbs into position and releasing them, even after the set, can be very dangerous.
but the movement itself is perfect exactly for the reasons youve mentioned.
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The bench press is a relatively new exercise. Even though it's the most popular weight exercise hands down with curls. What's not to like. Exercising while lying down.
The problem I see with the bench aside from just plain over use is that it makes the shoulder pec area really tight due to a loss of flexibility. Then you are primed for a tear whether it's a delt, pec tie in or a rotator cuff.
This inflexibility comes to many from the inherent stop of the bar by the chest. It goes without saying through physics and just common experience it's easier to handle more weight by cutting down the range. This has led to the crazy arches and taking a deep breath with a wide grip that will effectively lower the amount of work done through cutting the range of motion when benching so heavier weights can be used.
Once your shoulders get really tight it just takes a bad day where you exceed that tight range to cause a tear.
Dumbbells are safer. It lets your hands move the way they want. One of the safest ways to dumbbell press is keeping the palms of your hands facing each other to varying degrees or completely. Some guys with shoulder pain can actually incline and flat bench again if they keep their hands facing each other. Of course check with your doctor first.
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agree with all you only forgot the joints and bones can get hurt too.
from what i see, some have extremly strong muscle, they tear a tendon or wear out a joint.
some have ox-like stable and strong joints, but their muscle arent up to par,they just get a muscle tear.
etcetc
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i never go heavier than anything i can lift for ten reps
that solves most problems
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i never go heavier than anything i can lift for ten reps
that solves most problems
That is great advice or should I say advices.
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MOST gyms now u rarely see any heavy benchers anymore 'not the 1 or 2 old guard'i'm talking a gym packed with benchers is not there anymore,hammer equipment and dumbells,and stack type machines rule the floor.a powerlifting type gym there are still around i'm sure ,but other ways have taken over .
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The bench press is a relatively new exercise. Even though it's the most popular weight exercise hands down with curls. What's not to like. Exercising while lying down.
The problem I see with the bench aside from just plain over use is that it makes the shoulder pec area really tight due to a loss of flexibility. Then you are primed for a tear whether it's a delt, pec tie in or a rotator cuff.
This inflexibility comes to many from the inherent stop of the bar by the chest. It goes without saying through physics and just common experience it's easier to handle more weight by cutting down the range. This has led to the crazy arches and taking a deep breath with a wide grip that will effectively lower the amount of work done through cutting the range of motion when benching so heavier weights can be used.
Once your shoulders get really tight it just takes a bad day where you exceed that tight range to cause a tear.
Dumbbells are safer. It lets your hands move the way they want. One of the safest ways to dumbbell press is keeping the palms of your hands facing each other to varying degrees or completely. Some guys with shoulder pain can actually incline and flat bench again if they keep their hands facing each other. Of course check with your doctor first.
good post. Before Bench press they did Dips. Not saying itīs better but you donīt get injured with Dips unless you use a belt with too much weight. I find it more natural.
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Damn.
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nono i never said otherwise, once the weight is up, the db press is perfect natural movement.
the bb is so unnatural it ridiculous.bc it doesnt bend lol.
just bringing the dbs into position and releasing them, even after the set, can be very dangerous.
but the movement itself is perfect exactly for the reasons youve mentioned.
Oh my bad. You're right
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I pretty much only use DBs these days and I almost never go over 100# and NEVER go over 120#. I do experiment from time to time with the movement, more ROM, different rep tempos, hand position (neutral grip, etc). But when I starting something new, I stick to the 80's or 90's. Gal is right that the setup and end can be the "oh shit" moment. If it gets out of control, I just dump.
Been doing a lot of weighted dips and pushups combos instead.
I LOL when I see that I have the whole PL'er setup too for bench: Westside bar, chains, cambered bar. And I still like DBs.
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The bench press is a relatively new exercise. Even though it's the most popular weight exercise hands down with curls. What's not to like. Exercising while lying down.
The problem I see with the bench aside from just plain over use is that it makes the shoulder pec area really tight due to a loss of flexibility. Then you are primed for a tear whether it's a delt, pec tie in or a rotator cuff.
This inflexibility comes to many from the inherent stop of the bar by the chest. It goes without saying through physics and just common experience it's easier to handle more weight by cutting down the range. This has led to the crazy arches and taking a deep breath with a wide grip that will effectively lower the amount of work done through cutting the range of motion when benching so heavier weights can be used.
Dumbbells are safer. It lets your hands move the way they want. One of the safest ways to dumbbell press is keeping the palms of your hands facing each other to varying degrees or completely. Some guys with shoulder pain can actually incline and flat bench again if they keep their hands facing each other. Of course check with your doctor first.
Fine post and I agree 100%.
Guys that do heavy benches will eventually pay for it somewhere down the road. I always started my chest workouts with bench press... I did that over 20 years. Never did max singles or had any pec tears, but about 5 years ago I started to develop severe pains in my shoulders that would linger days after my chest workout. I had developed severe rotator cuff and labrum problems. Took off lifting for a year doing only morning cardio. It healed naturally.
Since then I switched to light flat DB presses, slowly building up my strength and my shoulders are 90% better now. I'm pressing the 90's and 100's for 5-6 reps (full range) and that is fine with me. I still can do incline smith, flyes and pullovers... no problems.
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Damn.
Yo I'm scared shirtless of that
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good post. Before Bench press they did Dips. Not saying itīs better but you donīt get injured with Dips unless you use a belt with too much weight. I find it more natural.
I know two people that have torn their pec doing dips, one was a chick.
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in my opinion the Smith machine should be kicked out every gym. THIS is worse than BB bench press. I see People every day doing Joint grinding squats and Benches.
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in my opinion the Smith machine should be kicked out every gym. THIS is worse than BB bench press. I see People every day doing Joint grinding squats and Benches.
DEPENDS ON SMITH..angle/feet position used to squat...it has some benefit I use smith at times for stuff..
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me too
and you are deceiving yourself if you think this can't happen with 100-140kg
For sure. I've seen that happen to a guy only benching 330lbs. I noticed a long time ago when I started evaluating young players (rugby) that the young guys that went heavy BB (80-110) always seemed to be stronger and more reps when doing other exercise testing, dips, military press etc..
Sure we had they kids who could BP 40olbs but they could only do 10 dips sometimes less...rarely a pull up or two
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I know two people that have torn their pec doing dips, one was a chick.
well if i trained her it would not happen.. because when i Train People i (women) start with the Dip assist machine. If she got injured it could be many reasons as you know Chaos. Bad form,too much weight...etc...
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there's mountains of evidence jesus existed as well. i need science
Not when you're in hell
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it's another matter of too deep ROM
people always think maximal rom is the right way
but it seems first class ticket to snap city
First of all you gotta have good tricep strength and most donīt. Dips are way more advanced than Benches(lets not get into diffrent positions etc) fact is to dip even with your Body weight is not easy for some. you talk about Depth..i agree with Dips too. I dip untill i feel it. some will Dip further than me and have no Problems. really up to you
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Anyone here do a couple of plain push ups after working chest? I just started doing this. It hasn't irritated my bad shoulder like I thought it would. After doing presses and flies I can't do many perfect full range push ups but the pump is incredible. It's also a great ab exercise. I know this a bodybuilding site but body weight stuff is underrated by bodybuilding fans.
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if one knows the movement pfr them personaly. elbow angles etc its all good, but the dangerous part is lifting it into position and when done with last rep imo.
so true.
I only incline press dumbells for that reason.
75% of the times I have tweaked my back or whatever can attributed to reracking heavy db's I used for shrugs or rows. Not the actual exercise.
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i do pressups between chairs, dips between chairs and use a resistance trainer that hooks over the door for flys, you can literally lean your whole bodyweight onto it and fly away.
Get no niggling pains, sore elbows etc.
Anyone here do a couple of plain push ups after working chest? I just started doing this. It hasn't irritated my bad shoulder like I thought it would. After doing presses and flies I can't do many perfect full range push ups but the pump is incredible. It's also a great ab exercise. I know this a bodybuilding site but body weight stuff is underrated by bodybuilding fans.
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bench squat and dead are still my favorite exercise.
but because i neglect mobility / rehab and warmup in my 20 i injuried a lot between 30/35.
Multiple lower back tear (painful), and 3 light chest tear in 3 year.
So now it's 3/4 set of 10 reps with a weight i can control.
My chest back and legs are even better now.
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i do pressups between chairs, dips between chairs and use a resistance trainer that hooks over the door for flys, you can literally lean your whole bodyweight onto it and fly away.
Get no niggling pains, sore elbows etc.
Oldtimer1 is correct .. my best chest workouts were Dips(parallel Bars) superset with Push ups. great results .. i admit iīm a shit bencher but can Dip like a King.
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Oldtimer1 is correct .. my best chest workouts were Dips(parallel Bars) superset with Push ups. great results .. i admit iīm a shit bencher but can Dip like a King.
DIPS will give you all the pump you need all around for 'beach'muscles..
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DIPS will give you all the pump you need all around for 'beach'muscles..
;D
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This just showed what a tear was and how this particular case had a tear as a result of benching. But has there been a comprehensive study on the instances of pec injuries on the BB vs the DB with comparable weight/reps/ and sets.
i know for sure my pec minor had gone to shit on both sides evenly with heavy BB benching.
I just didnt use DBs because they were a pain to lug around and then rack
i have subscriptions to some journals, ill give it a look
I haven't seen any studies comparing BB with DB, but there are several studies that show the prevalence of shoulder injuries in powerlifters (more common than any other injury site). The problem as I see it with the barbell bench is the significant weight that can be used. The shoulder is essentially bearing the entire load (especially during the lower portion of the lift). If you compare this to other compound lifts (deadlift, squat, even overhead press) there is a lot more supporting joints and musculature bearing the weight.
To optimise safety in the BB bench if you have to do it (i.e. powerlifter) is to bring your grip width in considerably. This has worked wonders for me in reducing shoulder pain. Initially your poundages will suffer but soon enough your triceps strength improves. Benching raw, with a wider grip and flared elbows is an injury waiting to happen, even in lifters with robust joints.
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How about I dont give a piss.
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How about I dont give a piss.
who cares what you think
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No exercise will tear a muscle on its own, it's just the bench press is more prone to ego lifts.
I got a small tear in belly of pec by doing really big ROM weighted dips with 65kg (@ body weight of 105kg). After 5th or 6th rep felt a pop, couldn't even do crossovers with 10kg each side after it so had to avoid training chest for 6 weeks.
I also got small tears in both biceps by trying to DB & BB curl too heavy.
Lesson learned, I now do all these exercises with higher reps and higher volume.
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No exercise will tear a muscle on its own, it's just the bench press is more prone to ego lifts.
I got a small tear in belly of pec by doing really big ROM weighted dips with 65kg (@ body weight of 105kg). After 5th or 6th rep felt a pop, couldn't even do crossovers with 10kg each side after it so had to avoid training chest for 6 weeks.
I also got small tears in both biceps by trying to DB & BB curl too heavy.
Lesson learned, I now do all these exercises with higher reps and higher volume.
Dips with 65 kg and a bodyweight of 105? fucking Bull. small tear in your head son
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i do easy 12 reps with 50kg at 93kg
not impossible to imagine
well post it
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Dips with 65 kg and a bodyweight of 105? fucking Bull. small tear in your head son
105kg = about 230#'s
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i'm not a spastic mongoloid who videos himself in the gymnasium
if you think that's impressive or even impossible you are a weak bitch ???
well Show us son
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Dips with 65 kg and a bodyweight of 105? fucking Bull. small tear in your head son
For 6-8 reps it's no prob. Hell, drug tested powerlifter mate could do +60kg at 80kg body weight when he was 19.
It's just not clever. Most of the strain was across sternum and front delts until I my arms extended. Not to mention elbows. I was benching 170kg for reps at time, don't see why it is hard to believe.
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well Show us son
Would you think rack deadlifts of 300kg for 5 reps (admittedly with limited ROM) would be off limits too out of curiousity?
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Would you think rack deadlifts of 300kg for 5 reps (admittedly with limited ROM) would be off limits too out of curiousity?
you got a Video of that ?
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you got a Video of that ?
Yes. Yes I do.
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Yes. Yes I do.
great post it. i want to see the dips
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Football bar.
See it at EFS.
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great post it. i want to see the dips
Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
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Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
nice and strong.
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Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
CSWOL would be proud.
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CSWOL would be proud.
Fat CSWOL or thin CSWOL?
Edit: Just noticed my package can be seen on each rep. Hope that's not why CSWOL would be proud.
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Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
what is the point of this ???
shouldnt a rack DL be just below your knees?
big guy though
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what is the point of this ???
shouldnt a rack DL be just below your knees?
big guy though
yes my thoughts too but still a good lift
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what is the point of this ???
shouldnt a rack DL be just below your knees?
big guy though
Yeah that was with safety bars at 5 on power rack do it from 3 now. This was at same time as I was destroying joints with low rep DB press, curls etc.
Put on a good bit of muscle since then but permabulked my way to looking like shit. That's what quitting certain substances does.
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yes my thoughts too but still a good lift
That's the only video I have of me lifting. I wouldn't lie about what I lift. My point was simply that lifting for ego on any lift is more dangerous than a particular exercise. I could bench 150kg for ten safer than I could curl 35kg for 6 (which I used to do).
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what is the point of this ???
shouldnt a rack DL be just below your knees?
big guy though
You think that's big ? HAHAHA.
Jesus how small are you fucking twinks.
Nothing against Lustral...but I'm sure he knows he's not a huge guy.
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You think that's big ? HAHAHA.
Jesus how small are you fucking twinks.
Nothing against Lustral...but I'm sure he knows he's not a huge guy.
I was referring more to his height/width. Didnt say he was massively developed.
Looks a larger individual.
You should calm down.
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You think that's big ? HAHAHA.
Jesus how small are you fucking twinks.
Nothing against Lustral...but I'm sure he knows he's not a huge guy.
I know I'm not big. 19 year old bodybuilder (competitor) I train with in gym is 5'7" and 107kg. Big Ro is just a couple of hundred miles away.
I was thinking big dude was a euphemism for fat guy. You know, big dude all the way big dude ;D
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You think that's big ? HAHAHA.
Jesus how small are you fucking twinks.
Nothing against Lustral...but I'm sure he knows he's not a huge guy.
i hope i can learn from you ::)
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everyone Needs to calm down. is it important ?
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everyone Needs to calm down. is it important ?
No, sorry I derailed thread.
My point was just that ego leads to injuries as opposed to exercises.
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everyone Needs to calm down. is it important ?
Im in the fucking zone.
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he cant
he always needs to scream about his superior size ::)
Says the guy who posts 30 times a day he wants to get huge.
I am huge ;)
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Listen Boys only Girls tell me...Iīm HUGE ;D
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you are a tiny tit
this is huge
What does that make you ;)
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What does that make you ;)
Caucasian?
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Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
im sorry buddy, for what its worth, well its not worth much.
its cswol rom, its releasing all the tension with every rep, but its very good grip power.
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i do easy 12 reps with 50kg at 93kg
not impossible to imagine
I did full depth with 270 , 500 lb total... 130 lb is nothing, did that as a skinny natural twink
I only do body weight nowadays and rarely.. Hurts my left shoulder impingement too much.
Halo, I don't really bench anymore for fear of pec tears, but when you do it try light weight, slow slow reps, close grip,paused, for 8x8 after dumbell work
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Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-ass weights.
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That's Phil Heath you dip shit, argument over seeing as Phil has the shittiest chest of all Mr Olympias period.
That's flex wheeler, dumb ass. Look at the hair, the arms.
Some people are just pure lazy.
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Love that Cutler quote
Subtle troll...
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hm, dips can or canot be, simply another form of bench press, to the shoulder etc its all the same.
everyones strcuture is different slightly, i learned some are type1,2or3 ac joint, this alone changes things mechanicaly.
there is no one size fits all exercise.
bigmc said 1 thing never lift more than you can do on your own for 10reps.this will make you last the longest, as long thats painfree, i think this is important addition.
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I still barbell press and do dips...never got hurt doing them but dips seem a lot more stress.
...the only time I got hurt in the gym was from doing shrugs!
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Stopped flat bench mainly because i dont like the bench at my gym.
The best chest excercise i ever did is the chest press machine at my gym its angled at a slight decline and feels a million times better that the flat bench.
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OK guys all flex your pecs hard.
Now, do your hands look anything like a bench press movement?
Nope, chances are your hands are clasped together down by your waist.
Cables are the finishing touch for chest development.
(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cable-Crossovers.jpg)
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OK guys all flex your pecs hard.
Now, do your hands look anything like a bench press movement?
Nope, chances are your hands are clasped together down by your waist.
Cables are the finishing touch for chest development.
(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cable-Crossovers.jpg)
true true, but cant deny while heavy benching,the chest is fully flexed too(along with everything else, powerlifters and cswol even flex their rectumholes for this)
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I think not warming up is a big problem with injuries.
For instance my biceps tendon on.my right arm has been tender the last few weeks...Im on dry compounds and they arent great for joints. I will do ten warmup sets until its loose, warm.and pain free. And if its not I bail on the arm workout. Live to fight another day
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true true, but cant deny while heavy benching,the chest is fully flexed too(along with everything else, powerlifters and cswol even flex their rectumholes for this)
If I bench press or fly the tension drops off the pecs when I get a third of the way from the top of the movement.
Dont do anything for me at all, I would have to just do partials to get anything out of them.
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If I bench press or fly the tension drops off the pecs when I get a third of the way from the top of the movement.
Dont do anything for me at all, I would have to just do partials to get anything out of them.
Bingo, that's the best way to do a lot of exercises in my opinion, especially bench press. Do you not care for partial ROM?
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Didn't video dips. Didn't think it was anything special.
Here's rack D/L for what it's worth. Over two years old:
Nice. I always do mine from just below the knee.