I might be alone on this one but doesn't it seem wrong for a guy on all the gear in the world to endorse a product. It is bullshit advertising. Because every 15 yr old kid sees the ad and assumes that the supplement will get them to that size. Then they eventually find out the truth and stop buying the supplements. but the industry doesn't care because they are on to the next idiot who is willing to spend 150/month on creatine and ammino. Just an observation.
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* Remember, lots of people use Drugs and their bodies look like crap and see no results at all :'(
S. Ray
Supplements work different on everybody. :-\
Some people they have no effect :'(
Sure, one person can make claim that with out this or that they would never have been this or that.
However, in the grand scheme of things, how can one person judge what a Product does for another person when we really can't measure the contibuting factors ???
Example: I take Brand X Protien Powder to improve my Muscularity:In concert with that product, I do the following:Train harder
Never miss Meals
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs
* Remember, lots of people use Drugs and their bodies look like crap and see no results at all :'(
So you see, it would be very hard to measure what if any contibution a product has regarding the improvements.
However, one thing is for certain, the entire approach to training and nutrition changed as a result of adding Brand X Product.
Therefore end result IMPROVEMENT! ;D
In the end, if the product or brand of product gets the praise for the improvement, everybody is happy! Who's to say otherwise regarding what role or effectiveness of Product Brand X had or didn't have?
You can point to Drugs being the reason a person makes progress and watch from the sidelines or you can find the trigger points (Supplements, Gym Membership, Protien Powder, training Partner or Drugs) and make a move to improve your self image whether it is for competition or the summer beach party! Either way, who cares what someone else is taking or doing, we all have Free Will and wondering about others gets you nowwhere except where your at. 8)
My two cents.
S. Ray
Howie what happend to your old account?
Example: I take Brand X Protien Powder to improve my Muscularity:In concert with that product, I do the following:Train harder
Never miss Meals
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs
S. Ray
Bluto you have me confused with someone else, i am new hear. Anyhow, there is still misleading ads out there on what that particular supp can do for you and Shawn is right young kids today are not naive, they are saying f**k Cell tech and give me the sause (shit Arnold did it when he was 15, as stated in the book fantastic)
Wow ... You'd think that the Magazines and Pros were endorsing Bull Sh*t ...cause thats what Im gettin from this Thread......... Tell you the truth...All the things that make a person big arent even able to be bought...Yes sir it is and I can sleep good at night because I am not a CRIMINAL!!!
Train harder
Never miss Meals
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements(You can get from reg. food)
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs(hmmm..isnt that breaking the law).....
Wow ... You'd think that the Magazines and Pros were endorsing Bull Sh*t ...cause thats what Im gettin from this Thread......... Tell you the truth...All the things that make a person big arent even able to be bought...reducing carb intake makes a person big? ???
Train harder
Never miss Meals
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements(You can get from reg. food)
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs(hmmm..isnt that breaking the law).....
howdog, perhaps you misconstrue the products claims
I just think most supp are a lot of bs.
Shawn almost got it right, but he still works for a supplement company. javascript:void(0); I think it would be more accurate to say that in conjunction with the added effort and discipline to push and challenge yourself every workout, your body requires certain conditions to be maintained so that all functions of the body are optimum. Intense weight training is perceived by the body as a form of stress and the body reacts by adapting to it. That adaptation is what the supplement industry intends to service with its various products. As we all know from our own research into the matter, certain dietary elements are essential to muscle growth and recovery, as well as maintaining your energy levels to train intensely. If you are putting in the effort to weigh and measure all your meals and make them yourself, challenge yourself in the gym and on the stair climber, and all the other requirements to do this thing right, then you would be out of your mind to not also have a post training protein shake with glutamine, a pretraining NO2 drink with some caffeine; use creatine and some kind of fat burner along with a strong anti-oxidant multi vitamin and mineral supplement. Do big shredded bodybuilders under endorsement contracts with supplement companies, in addition to all the things Shawn mentioned, also use whey protein, glutamine, creatine, NO2, fat burners? Absolutely! Are those supplements solely responsible for their size and condition? No one said they were. Pros use supplements. They might use a lot of other things, but they definitely use supplements to one degree or another. When you're talking about the degree of condition and the quality of physique that is competitive today, it would be absolutely foolish to ignore good, basic, science. Who's to say that XYZ brand whey protein didn't give the edge a competitor needed to beat out the guy next to him? Now, that's not to say the supplement companies don't try and siphon your dollars out of your wallet when you're not looking. GACIK? If you had 50 bucks to spend on supplements for the month you going to buy GACIK or whey protein? You're not going to see that stuff much longer. The industry has pretty much defined its money makers, but that's not to say they won't try and scam you with something like GACIK. So, it comes down to who's protein powder you going to use? It doesn't matter. Use the one that you like the best, that costs the least and seems to work for you. That's what everyone does. Magazine advertising does little more than maintain a presence for the various supplement companies. We are all going to use Whey protein, creatine, fat burners, etc whether or not the companies who make them buy ad space in magazines and exploit Joe Blow bodybuilder. Do any of us buy Splenda because of the commercial? The ads int he magazines sell companies not supplements. You're going to buy them anyway, it comes down to from whom.
I tend to agree with Crusher and some of the other responses. Crusher asks a question..."If you had $50 per month to spend, would you but Gakic or a protein powder?". Where I disagree is that he assumes that it is common knowledge that protein powder is better. Among people who buy supplements regularly, yes, it is a good assumption. I don't know what the % is, but it is very safe to assume that at least 50% of all supplement sales are from first time users. Therefore, these people are not "in the know", and , for lack of a better expression, are being misled by the advertising that these companies put out. The only reason why we see all these worthless products and all the hype that comes with it is because supplement companies are forever going after the first time user. They know that Mr. Uninformed will spend X amount before he realizes the stuff he is buying doesn't live up to it's claims. It's probably very safe to assume that there is some type of investigation going on right now as we speak into this very matter. The whole bodybuilding/supplement industry has been under an ever-growing microscope recently. I am in the legal field, and know for fact that there are laws that address this, they just have not been enforced. But with all the negativity recently, I think that is about to change. All it will take is one class-action lawsuit to bring it down. I would not be surprised if, in a few years, the laws surrounding the way these companies advertise, are strictly enforced.
Is Nike lying when they use Michael Jordan to advertise basketball shoes? The shoes won't put you in the NBA?
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Exactly, it should be in the next Penn& Teller Bullshit!! and the pros know it, thats why no one is posting excempt Ray.
The only problem I see with having Shawn being a spokesperson for VYOTech is that he can't honestly say they helped him in anyway at all. Since he has been out for awhile. I thnk it's weird having a guy push their products when they have never honestly used them at all and it's so apparent because of the time frame. Like Ronnie pushing BSN. ANy smart person would know BSN products have had NO bearing on Ronnies physical appearance or competition history. But, at least he is comepting still and can say he takes them now and maybe they help him take healthier shits.
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Yeah I won't hold my breath. Then again Chick "always tells it like it is", maybe he will se me straight
Let's face it, I used to drink Weider Drinks . . .
Peace,
S. Ray
How do you think these guys pay for their cycles?
I might be alone on this one but doesn't it seem wrong for a guy on all the gear in the world to endorse a product. It is bullshit advertising. Because every 15 yr old kid sees the ad and assumes that the supplement will get them to that size. Then they eventually find out the truth and stop buying the supplements. but the industry doesn't care because they are on to the next idiot who is willing to spend 150/month on creatine and ammino. Just an observation.
Never miss MealsWhat a farce! Are you trying to justify your drug use??? These drugs were invented to help the lives of people with wasting deseases among other ailments. Their purpose is to keep or put on lbm in individuals who probably CAN'T exercise, and have diets designed to not likely be vomitted back up.
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs[/b]
* Remember, lots of people use Drugs and their bodies look like crap and see no results at all :'(
You say there are those who show little effect because the other facettes in bbing aren't addressed. There are FAR more who don't diet or train well but show DRAMATIC changes with drugs.
Of course its called Marketing 101.
You think Cher's hair was a result of Revlon Products?
Shawn Ray makes a good point here.
I'm not sure at what age I realized it, but this entire world is fraud. Everyone is trying to bullshit you about one thing or another, for one reason or another.
The stench of lies permeates the air. A giant cloud of bullshit.
This is why youthful enthusiasm inevitably turns into bitterness and cynicism. Honesty is a corpse. Honor is a punchline.
We really need a range of Getbig merch. This would make a great T shirt to confuse the masses...
Front
"Getbig: Honesty is a corpse..."
Reverse
"Honor is a punchline..."
Getbig: Pray_4_War
I have the mind of a troll, the cock of a pornstar, and the soul of a poet.
Thank God, because the mind of a troll, the soul of a pornstar, and the cock of a poet doesn't bear thinking about LOL!
If anyone believes they can look like a pro without steroids then they deserved to get scammed. And if you're too young to know any better and thats your biggest dissapoinment in life than consider yourself lucky.