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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Skorp1o on March 20, 2014, 05:00:41 AM
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Let's say aiming for small doses for both at 250mg a shot of each per week, or may be even two shots
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Would just increase the sides, for no particular reason.
250 of each a week? with a little bit of test?
Why not just run a gram of test and save some cash
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It's one of those things that "isn't done" for some reason..... but if you can handle 19-nor compounds without problems, go for it. Those dosages are very moderate so sides shouldn't be bad anyways
Ive talked to a couple people that did it and loved it. Full, round, and lean is how they described it.
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I'm on 800 test 500 deca and 200 tren
It's awesome
Healing benefits of deca and strength benefits of tren
Using .5mg caber 2xweek
.5mg arimidex 4xweek
I did run into some gyno when my deca was around a gram so I dropped it
If your ancillaries are pharm grade then it can be done
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I'm on 800 test 500 deca and 200 tren
It's awesome
Healing benefits of deca and strength benefits of tren
Using .5mg caber 2xweek
.5mg arimidex 4xweek
I did run into some gyno when my deca was around a gram so I dropped it
If your ancillaries are pharm grade then it can be done
thanks for the info mate.
Gona start initially with test, deca and mast then see about replacing the Mast with tren. I find one shot of tren enanthate a week is strong enogh to feel it when u have other stuff in as well
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I have.. not often though.
generally goes something like this
10wks test/deca
5wks test/npp
5 weeks test/npp/tren
5 weeks test/tren
in fact... I think i'll do a 75mg shot of tren today just for shits and giggles, along with my test/deca injects
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I do. Primarily because the tren helps me keep leaner when running huge doses of test and deca
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What are the "healing benefits" of deca
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What are the "healing benefits" of deca
I hear 'muscles' are a common side 'healing benefit' effect.
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I hear 'muscles' are a common side 'healing benefit' effect.
less sore
some ppl say "oh this steroid makes me strong"
deca isnt known for that so i would say it has healing benefits moreso, and jt benefits
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"Would you use Deca with Tren?"...No
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in fact... I think i'll do a 75mg shot of tren today just for shits and giggles, along with my test/deca injects
Haha! This is why I love The Experiment.
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What are the "healing benefits" of deca
Makes your joints feel better
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Haha! This is why I love The Experiment.
lol
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Haha! This is why I love The Experiment.
that first shot turned out to be 150mg. lol.
... and I had horrible anxiety for 2 days afterwards.
then did another shot of 75mg tren and the rest of the syringe being test enan and deca a couple days later, which instantly gave me that fucking tren cough. not a pleasant thing first thing in the morning. I thought I had the oils pretty well mixed in the syringe.. guess not.
shoulders capped off and arms got nice and angular after only 2 shots, though. lol
did another 75 last night with no cough.. thank Buddha. lol.. but I did stick in my right glute, and pulled out blood when aspirating, which was odd. I've never aspirated blood when shooting glutes. just pulled out and put it in the other ass cheek and even avoided injecting the blood. haha.
woke up this am with fucking anxiety again, though... I gotta get some klonopin soon and run .25mg before bed. I don't recall anxiety from tren being this bad, even at 1g/wk
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that first shot turned out to be 150mg. lol.
... and I had horrible anxiety for 2 days afterwards.
then did another shot of 75mg tren and the rest of the syringe being test enan and deca a couple days later, which instantly gave me that fucking tren cough. not a pleasant thing first thing in the morning. I thought I had the oils pretty well mixed in the syringe.. guess not.
I hate tren cough with a passion, it's why I stay off it, when im jabbing i am anxiously waiting for that taste in my mouth...when I get it I just think....oooohhh shit here it comes, and 10/20 seconds later it starts, first cough or two are smallish coughs but can quickly escalate to cold sweats and gasping for air. LOL not fun.
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Cut your tren with whatever you inject. I have had zero cough
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Cut your tren with whatever you inject. I have had zero cough
did that.
1/2cc tren (150mg/ml, so 75mg), with 2.5cc of other stuff... about 1/2cc of 100mg/cc test cyp, 1cc 400mg/cc test enan, and 1cc 400mg/ml deca........ still got the cough. not as bad as when I do 300mg in 1 dose though.
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Does anyone know something about run two 19-nor compounds together is worthless? Guys say that Tren and Deca/NPP is binding to this same receptor so you will have benefits only from one of two...
This same about running more than 250mg Test when you use Tren...
Is it next Internet Bullshit or is it true? :)
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^Bro scientists spilling poo on the interwebs.
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Yea, Internet myths...
But... If you run Test + Tren, you will see benefit from add NPP/Deca to this stack? From practice of course :)
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that first shot turned out to be 150mg. lol.
... and I had horrible anxiety for 2 days afterwards.
then did another shot of 75mg tren and the rest of the syringe being test enan and deca a couple days later, which instantly gave me that fucking tren cough. not a pleasant thing first thing in the morning. I thought I had the oils pretty well mixed in the syringe.. guess not.
shoulders capped off and arms got nice and angular after only 2 shots, though. lol
did another 75 last night with no cough.. thank Buddha. lol.. but I did stick in my right glute, and pulled out blood when aspirating, which was odd. I've never aspirated blood when shooting glutes. just pulled out and put it in the other ass cheek and even avoided injecting the blood. haha.
woke up this am with fucking anxiety again, though... I gotta get some klonopin soon and run .25mg before bed. I don't recall anxiety from tren being this bad, even at 1g/wk
lol, never happened. ;D
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Does anyone know something about run two 19-nor compounds together is worthless? Guys say that Tren and Deca/NPP is binding to this same receptor so you will have benefits only from one of two...
This same about running more than 250mg Test when you use Tren...
Is it next Internet Bullshit or is it true? :)
All myths, however they are probably out there because they are ideal guidelines to follow. I mean there are better options then deca and tren but some people like lifting heavy when on tren and the deca will help the joints so makes for perfect logic if you can handle the discomfort involved. I would never do any combo without test present no matter what, ever. So adding test would be a must.
As for tren with a little test, again once again it is about how you feel. Would you get slightly better results with high test high tren vs low test high tren, of course you would but you would feel like shit, may not be worth the trade off.
Put it this way, you have to pick your protocol based on 2 key points.
1. what your goals are
2. how they make you feel or if you can handle the sides.
follow these 2 points to a T and you will find the ideal combo. Personally I would never do deca and tren e, however I may consider npp and tren a for a short burst.
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lol, never happened. ;D
more trolling from you.
fuck off to the G&O board with your childish bullshit.
those of us with experience are talking here.
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All myths, however they are probably out there because they are ideal guidelines to follow. I mean there are better options then deca and tren but some people like lifting heavy when on tren and the deca will help the joints so makes for perfect logic if you can handle the discomfort involved. I would never do any combo without test present no matter what, ever. So adding test would be a must.
As for tren with a little test, again once again it is about how you feel. Would you get slightly better results with high test high tren vs low test high tren, of course you would but you would feel like shit, may not be worth the trade off.
Put it this way, you have to pick your protocol based on 2 key points.
1. what your goals are
2. how they make you feel or if you can handle the sides.
follow these 2 points to a T and you will find the ideal combo. Personally I would never do deca and tren e, however I may consider npp and tren a for a short burst.
I don't want to run it right now becouse Tren in cut time, Tren in bulk time etc etc. = Tren year round :D I think it's awesome and impossible :D But when i read Threads like BFG's topic etc. i wonder that true about Steroids in real Bodybuilding, even with Gym Rats is often different than 350mg test + 350mg deca for 10 weeks... Never mind :)
I'm asking becouse i'm curious and i like to take new informations from other, more experienced users :-) I love to learn about new things :) Never mind :P
But maybe something like 500 test + 400 tren + 400 npp can be pretty nice stack for hard, thick look with big strength and lean gains... ::)
Thanks OTH for share with Your experience.
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I hear 'muscles' are a common side 'healing benefit' effect.
Haha!
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I don't want to run it right now becouse Tren in cut time, Tren in bulk time etc etc. = Tren year round :D I think it's awesome and impossible :D But when i read Threads like BFG's topic etc. i wonder that true about Steroids in real Bodybuilding, even with Gym Rats is often different than 350mg test + 350mg deca for 10 weeks... Never mind :)
I'm asking becouse i'm curious and i like to take new informations from other, more experienced users :-) I love to learn about new things :) Never mind :P
But maybe something like 500 test + 400 tren + 400 npp can be pretty nice stack for hard, thick look with big strength and lean gains... ::)
Thanks OTH for share with Your experience.
the thing is cycles are a general guidline to follow but the pros and the advance juicer does not keep cycles the way a beginner does.
Let me explain. Once you are experienced enough and get into high doses you find that short esters are the way to go, you do not need to do the same cycles over and over again with short esters, you simply do what you can handle and drop a compound that is to rough on you and either leave it out or replace, constantly changing your feelings is one way of not getting dragged into severe discomfort.
A short ester allows for control of the side effects more proficiently.
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And one more question about Tren/Deca, Tren/NPP. What about Test dosage with it?
People say test and tren/npp fight for this same recepotors etc. so Test do nothing with this stack, only bump your E2 level. Guys run a lot of AI with 150-250mg test...
When i blasted with Test ( 350mg Cypio ) + Tren ( 500-700mg Ace ), i took 12,5mg ed/eod Aromasin ( Pharma Grade ). After one/two weeks my joints was fking sore, i couldn't regenerate from one training session to other, i was flat ( even in the gym, 0 pumps with ~400-500g carbs... ), all day lethargy and i want to go to the gym only after 5 cups of coffee...
I don't know how anyone can keep a lot of AI's with low test dosages...
Does anyone try more than 250-350mg test week without take AI?
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Deca and tren got me to my heaviest weight (204) not big to a lot here prob but for me it is hard to gain size. Very bloated, though, facially especially.
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And one more question about Tren/Deca, Tren/NPP. What about Test dosage with it?
People say test and tren/npp fight for this same recepotors etc. so Test do nothing with this stack, only bump your E2 level. Guys run a lot of AI with 150-250mg test...
When i blasted with Test ( 350mg Cypio ) + Tren ( 500-700mg Ace ), i took 12,5mg ed/eod Aromasin ( Pharma Grade ). After one/two weeks my joints was fking sore, i couldn't regenerate from one training session to other, i was flat ( even in the gym, 0 pumps with ~400-500g carbs... ), all day lethargy and i want to go to the gym only after 5 cups of coffee...
I don't know how anyone can keep a lot of AI's with low test dosages...
Does anyone try more than 250-350mg test week without take AI?
only 1 androgen receptor.
I only use AI's when needed.. if I get a lil puffy or gyno flares up, at anywhere from 500-4g test/wk.
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only 1 androgen receptor.
I only use AI's when needed.. if I get a lil puffy or gyno flares up, at anywhere from 500-4g test/wk.
meaning what ?
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meaning what ?
meaning all steroids fight for the same receptors.
which in theory, would mean all you really need to grow is testosterone at 3500mg/wk (the generally accepted estimate at weekly mg amount to 'saturate' the AR's).... or methyltrienolone at 1-2mg/day to do the same. (as well as another 'rare' drug I forget the name of that has incredibly high affinity to the AR)
but in practice, we know that there's more to 'growing' than just saturating the bodys AR, as some drugs have poor affinity to AR, yet exhibit anabolic/androgenic activity outside the cell and AR (anadrol is the most common drug used in that example, but there's others).
look at what drugs and what amounts the 'pros' and other 'big buys' are using, it's all the same, plus or minus a gram or two (which after 4-5g/wk, an extra gram or two doesn't make much difference). you're looking at 3-4g test plus 1-1.5g orals plus another 1.5-2g injectable. (only talking AAS here, not other stuff). 3-4g of test should be plenty to 'saturate' the body's androgen-recptors, plus the orals to do what they do, plus the other inj's to do what they do.
if the 'pros' (I hate using "pro's" as a generic term, like they're some special breed... there's guy's who look like or have genetics of "pro's" in every gym who use the same doses, yet never care about getting onstage) are using 3-4g test plus 2-3g other stuff, why on earth are some ppl on these message boards preaching that all you need is 250mg test plus a gram or two of other stuff?? you think the "pro's" are the idiots who haven't figured it out? or are the msg board guru's preaching low test/high anabolics the ones who haven't figured it out yet? (usually the guys who've never coached anybody but themselves, and have never opened a textbook or even see an abstract on PubMed).
all side effects are manageable. you don't like the bloat? use the proper dose of anti-aromatase or some nolva. (proviron and masteron are not anti-aromatase, I don't give a fuck what 'gh15' says).
btw, adex/asin aren't nearly as effective in men as they are in women. something like 30% less effective at least.