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http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine (http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine)
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This has been known for years and years.
Squats are the king of all exercises.
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This has been known for years and years.
Squats are the king of all exercises.
True but there are a lot of getbiggers who dont squat and claim that leg press gives the same or even better results.
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There is just something about squats that nothing else can compare to. The lead up to a heavy squat session, the feeling of being under the bar during and between reps. The feeling you get after a great squat session, where your legs are still quivering hours later and you can feel your metabolism is still sky high, as your system tries to recover.
I love deadlifts too but it's almost like there is weight training and then there is squatting, all in a category of it's own.
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I've got proof that your mom squats on my ballbag but I don't post the evidence as everyone knows already
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True but there are a lot of getbiggers who dont squat and claim that leg press gives the same or even better results.
Well there is no doubt that the leg press has been responsible for some amazing leg development. But what I think this study shows (and has been known for a long time) is that for trainers that are not using, the hormonal and anabolic response resulting from heavy squats is the closest thing they can do to mimic the effects of exogenous anabolic steroids. I don't think the leg press has that same effect, especially for beginner trainers.
The old saying about the quickest way to put an inch on your arms is to increase your squat really holds true.
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Well there is no doubt that the leg press has been responsible for some amazing leg development. But what I think this study shows (and has been known for a long time) is that for trainers that are not using, the hormonal and anabolic response resulting from heavy squats is the closest thing they can do to mimic the effects of exogenous anabolic steroids. I don't think the leg press has that same effect, especially for beginner trainers.
The old saying about the quickest way to put an inch on your arms is to increase your squat really holds true.
I agree when I first starting training all I did was squats, deadlifts, bench press and clean and jerk and I put on a lot of mass and size it was good foundation training.
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True but there are a lot of getbiggers who dont squat and claim that leg press gives the same or even better results.
Maybe they are not doing the exercise correctly, or doing only 10 reps/set when they should be doing 20.
It's probably just an excuse NOT to do squats. I've seen/heard this many times over the last 30 years. Lots of lazy, half-assed trainers out there.
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True but there are a lot of getbiggers who dont squat and claim that leg press gives the same or even better results.
Paul Dillett was a famous non-squatter. He was a proponent of the leg press.
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Paul Dillett was a famous non-squatter. He was a proponent of the leg press.
All PED too.
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Paul Dillett was a famous non-squatter. He was a proponent of the leg press.
Paul dillett was one of the laziest bodybuilders when it comes to training but he had such incredible genes that he could grow off just doing leg extensions plus he was on a boatload of hormones, this is not the guy you want to use as an example.
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Paul Dillett was a famous non-squatter. He was a proponent of the leg press.
Paul Dillett was a notorious example of somebody who responded well to a boatload of drugs and put in little to no effort in the gym. Compare with Dorian Yates who didn't have Dillett's genetics but had to work his arse off to accomplish what he did. (I am fully aware that Dorian didn't squat but nobody can say he didn't train like a demon).
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Paul dillett was one of the laziest bodybuilders when it comes to training but he had such incredible genes that he could grow off just doing leg extensions plus he was on a boatload of hormones, this is not the guy you want to use as an example.
I watched him train in Venice a few times. I was amazed how this guy was able to get so big. What a lazy ass mo-fo.
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VINCE taylor did not squat either,he had good legs but amazing calves ,the large upper body to small waist and sorta narrowish legs suited him he looked great,shawn ray squatted his whole bbing career he was leg heavy and had great legs .squatting is not for every bodytype.
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Paul Dillett was a notorious example of somebody who responded well to a boatload of drugs and put in little to no effort in the gym. Compare with Dorian Yates who didn't have Dillett's genetics but had to work his arse off to accomplish what he did. (I am fully aware that Dorian didn't squat but nobody can say he didn't train like a demon).
Actually dorian use to do a lot of squats in the early days, but then he has a injury or something and later on he stopped squatting.
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VINCE taylor did not squat either,he had good legs but amazing calves ,the large upper body to small waist and sorta narrowish legs suited him he looked great,shawn ray squatted his whole bbing career he was leg heavy and had great legs .squatting is not for every bodytype.
Taylor took a boat load of drugs too. His calves are a genetic gift.
Natties need to squat to maximize their potential.
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Taylor took a boat load of drugs too. His calves are a genetic gift.
Natties need to squat to maximize their potential.
Exactly this thread is not for genetic freaks on a boatload of steroids, its for the average dude with average genes who is trying to get as big as possible in the shortest period of time.
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Exactly this thread is not for genetic freaks on a boatload of steroids, its for the average dude with average genes who is trying to get as big as possible in the shortest period of time.
You know all about the average dude, don't you dudelover?
You love men.
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Actually dorian use to do a lot of squats in the early days, but then he has a injury or something and later on he stopped squatting.
YES,he switched to smith squats,yates is a great example of balance ,his leg definition/separation wasn't classic shaped,they were jagged but like rest of him granite,his calves were superb.he was lucky he had narrow hips and legs were not blown out 'balooned'looking like colemans.like haney and most mro's they were there just not overdone.
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Actually dorian use to do a lot of squats in the early days, but then he has a injury or something and later on he stopped squatting.
Yes, he injured his back and had to switch to smith-machine squats and leg press.
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Exactly this thread is not for genetic freaks on a boatload of steroids, its for the average dude with average genes who is trying to get as big as possible in the shortest period of time.
all good,i squat I love them.they work.
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Actually dorian use to do a lot of squats in the early days, but then he has a injury or something and later on he stopped squatting.
I think I read something about him squatting early on alright and stopping because he found his intensity style of training was better suited to leg presses, hack squats and that type of thing as the chance of injury was less with these movements.
But look at the older generation of bodybuilders. Arnold, Franco, Platz - back then leg day WAS squatting. They didn't use the same amount of drugs as currents pros, yet still looked great. I would guess that a recreational lifter, using a moderate amount of anabolics (i.e. not the cocktail of AAS, GH, insulin etc) would benefit more from squatting than leg pressing. Again this might depend on body shape, injury history etc.
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I think I read something about him squatting early on alright and stopping because he found his intensity style of training was better suited to leg presses, hack squats and that type of thing as the chance of injury was less with these movements.
But look at the older generation of bodybuilders. Arnold, Franco, Platz - back then leg day WAS squatting. They didn't use the same amount of drugs as currents pros, yet still looked great. I would guess that a recreational lifter, using a moderate amount of anabolics (i.e. not the cocktail of AAS, GH, insulin etc) would benefit more from squatting than leg pressing. Again this might depend on body shape, injury history etc.
GOOD POINTS.
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Well there is no doubt that the leg press has been responsible for some amazing leg development. But what I think this study shows (and has been known for a long time) is that for trainers that are not using, the hormonal and anabolic response resulting from heavy squats is the closest thing they can do to mimic the effects of exogenous anabolic steroids. I don't think the leg press has that same effect, especially for beginner trainers.
The old saying about the quickest way to put an inch on your arms is to increase your squat really holds true.
Hmm yes. Drinking a gallon of whole milk everyday, or GOMAD, is also a great way for a natural to add size
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There's no proof that transient peaks and valleys in GH or test increase muscle growth.
There's causation between chronically increased test/GH, and muscle growth.
But now we're to believe that transient increases lead to a strong enough, chronic enough signal to truly affect muscle growth to any meaninful degree?
Pardon me if I don't buy that logic. Sounds nice. Sounds correlative. Doesn't sound causative to me.
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I've got proof that your mom squats on my ballbag but I don't post the evidence as everyone knows already
Almost a Foozle like quality post ;D
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There's no proof that transient peaks and valleys in GH or test increase muscle growth.
There's causation between chronically increased test/GH, and muscle growth.
But now we're to believe that transient increases lead to a strong enough, chronic enough signal to truly affect muscle growth to any meaninful degree?
Pardon me if I don't buy that logic. Sounds nice. Sounds correlative. Doesn't sound causative to me.
This.
And benefits from squats go far beyond hormonal response. It's about athleticism, functional strength, mobility and so on. Being a better, stronger human being whereas machines give you useless muscle and that's it. Oh and they are far less safe than squats.
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Almost a Foozle like quality post ;D
On every "trainer" thread, I just scroll down until I find Foozle.
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Two or three hours after leg training (squats) i have hard on's out of nowhere. Always.
It doesn't happen with any other kind of workout.
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Some excellent trolling in this thread, solid work to all involved.
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Some excellent trolling in this thread, solid work to all involved.
Seconded, I dont squat and my legs are great.
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Seconded, I dont squat and my legs are great.
:D
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Seconded, I dont squat and my legs are great.
But don't you ever feel like you're missing out on the incredible anabolic benefits of your body producing the equivalent of 0.05 ccs of test after heavy squats?
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Bodybuilding related....Leg Press should be used as an axillary to the squat. And no, smith machine squats don't count and never should.
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Seconded, I dont squat and my legs are great.
Your legs might be ok but the could be better if you squat and you would have more functional strength.
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Seconded, I dont squat and my legs are great.
Post a Pic or BS
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The other thing about heavy squatting that other "leg exercises" don't give is the total body stimulus. What I mean by that is the sheer volume of muscle mass that works during a heavy squat. Quads sure, but what about glutes, hamstrings, calves, adductors, abductors, lower back, upper back, abdominals, hell even shoulders and traps get serious stimulation supporting a heavy bar while maintaining tightness.
YOU CAN GET A GREAT PHYSIQUE JUST FROM SQUATTING (including upper body)
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The other thing about heavy squatting that other "leg exercises" don't give is the total body stimulus. What I mean by that is the sheer volume of muscle mass that works during a heavy squat. Quads sure, but what about glutes, hamstrings, calves, adductors, abductors, lower back, upper back, abdominals, hell even shoulders and traps get serious stimulation supporting a heavy bar while maintaining tightness.
YOU CAN GET A GREAT PHYSIQUE JUST FROM SQUATTING (including upper body)
see this is the BS i hate so much
fuck off you piece of shit
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Bodybuilding related....Leg Press should be used as an axillary to the squat. And no, smith machine squats don't count and never should.
on a true strength level no,but you still get leg development/strength from them .
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on a true strength level no,but you still get leg development/strength from them .
dj181 will surpass us all soon.
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dj181 will surpass us all soon.
he squatted 135 2 wks ago,315 on Monday and going for 500 this weekend..
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see this is the BS i hate so much
fuck off you piece of shit
He's not entirely wrong. If you quit doing upper body and just did the main lifts (squat and/or deadlift) chances are you would lose no size or really any strength.
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he squatted 135 2 wks ago,315 on Monday and going for 500 this weekend..
;D
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see this is the BS i hate so much
fuck off you piece of shit
Hahaha! Lmao!
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see this is the BS i hate so much
fuck off you piece of shit
;D, well maybe I got a bit carried away with great physique including upper body but the point I'm trying to make is that the squat is so much more than just a leg exercise. Think of it as a whole body movement like sprinting. If your average person went to the gym x3 per week and all they did is squat for an hour each time, they would obviously have leg development but they would also have developed muscle in their upper body. Agree?
Or let me ask you this then, if you where imprisoned and only given the choice to do one exercise, what would you pick?
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article is so stupid...
Ok so it increases hormonal levels woah dont give a fuck cause I take anabolic steroids.
It creates a pulse of gh which has no link to muscle growth cool...
What creates muscle is hormones, food and consistent damage to muscle fibers which repair stronger and bigger. Thats it...It doesnt matter if you leg press or squat, do either consistently under the right hormones and diet and you will have bigger quads.
The people who talk about squatting all day are usually small ass nerds with clipboards at the gym.
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;D, well maybe I got a bit carried away with great physique including upper body but the point I'm trying to make is that the squat is so much more than just a leg exercise. Think of it as a whole body movement like sprinting. If your average person went to the gym x3 per week and all they did is squat for an hour each time, they would obviously have leg development but they would also have developed muscle in their upper body. Agree?
Or let me ask you this then, if you where imprisoned and only given the choice to do one exercise, what would you pick?
dumbel bench press
big tris and pecs
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This.
And benefits from squats go far beyond hormonal response. It's about athleticism, functional strength, mobility and so on. Being a better, stronger human being whereas machines give you useless muscle and that's it. Oh and they are far less safe than squats.
How is a leg press LESS safer that squats?
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How is a leg press LESS safer that squats?
all lies
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Squats are extremely effective at building leg size/strength, but they are also extremely taxing on the back and joints...and leave you so sore you cannot even sit down or walk like a normal human being for days.
I much prefer sprints now. They are also an extremely effective leg muscle builder, and also give you that high feeling long after your workout, but they are better in the sense that they arent as taxing on your back/neck as squats, they seem to work your other muscles better, and still allow you to walk, and give you a practical skill (speed, ability to run)
I wouldnt do squats again unless i was a powerlifter or pro bber or something like that.
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Didn't Mike Quinn squat all the time?
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Squats are extremely effective at building leg size/strength, but they are also extremely taxing on the back and joints...and leave you so sore you cannot even sit down or walk like a normal human being for days.
I much prefer sprints now. They are also an extremely effective leg muscle builder, and also give you that high feeling long after your workout, but they are better in the sense that they arent as taxing on your back/neck as squats, they seem to work your other muscles better, and still allow you to walk, and give you a practical skill (speed, ability to run)
I wouldnt do squats again unless i was a powerlifter or pro bber or something like that.
You won't get any argument from me, sprints (actual sprints performed using anaerobic respiration) are a great exercise and do build the legs and the whole body. Very similar to squats in many ways, in terms of the total body stimulus.
(http://www.sport1.de/media/_redaktion/sportarten/leichtathletik_2/2010_10/johnson-ben-seoul_5x4_Diashow.jpg)
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You won't get any argument from me, sprints (actual sprints performed using anaerobic respiration) are a great exercise and do build the legs and the whole body. Very similar to squats in many ways, in terms of the total body stimulus.
(http://www.sport1.de/media/_redaktion/sportarten/leichtathletik_2/2010_10/johnson-ben-seoul_5x4_Diashow.jpg)
oh man is this a bodybuilding forum still? sprints? the fuck outta here with this bull shit.
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oh man is this a bodybuilding forum still? sprints? the fuck outta here with this bull shit.
He was a 500lb squatter. It's relevant.
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Didn't Mike Quinn squat all the time?
Genetics
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He was a 500lb squatter. It's relevant.
cool preetty much proves that lifting heavy means nothing for size
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Post a Pic or BS
(http://s10.postimg.org/ovz09mf09/little_legs.jpg)
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I'd let Coach and those with experience decide The Squat's place in competitive sports where every sliver or muscle is advantageous, but for a gym rat like myself that trains to feel good and have a bit of muscle, squats is something I rarely do. I kill myself on the leg press and hacks though. I've completely stopped leg extensions now. Way too taxing on the tendons and not a natural movement in my opinion.
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He was a 500lb squatter. It's relevant.
I don' think they get the fact that squats make you more explosive and much faster....hence the box jumps...which I hate.
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I'd let Coach and those with experience decide The Squat's place in competitive sports where every sliver or muscle is advantageous, but for a gym rat like myself that trains to feel good and have a bit of muscle, squats is something I rarely do. I kill myself on the leg press and hacks though. I've completely stopped leg extensions now. Way too taxing on the tendons and not a natural movement in my opinion.
Fronts, hacks..even smith machine squats for the bodybuilder is fine.
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Fronts, hacks..even smith machine squats for the bodybuilder is fine.
Not disputing that, but proper squats fuck with my back and knees. And not a muscle pain, but tendons and joints. I'm not looking to build trouser-ripping legs, so leg presses and hack squats works well for me. But I can appreciate that squats are a damn good exercise.
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cool preetty much proves that lifting heavy means nothing for size
Actually it proves you know little about training.
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Not disputing that, but proper squats fuck with my back and knees. And not a muscle pain, but tendons and joints. I'm not looking to build trouser-ripping legs, so leg presses and hack squats works well for me. But I can appreciate that squats are a damn good exercise.
NO I agree...no point depending on ur goals and past injuries.
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Your legs don't know exercises , they only know stress.
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He was a 500lb squatter. It's relevant.
::) half squats
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Actually it proves you know little about training.
lol tell me more guru ;)
you are fucking corny dude
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Your legs don't know exercises , they only know stress.
get this man some god damn cocaine and hookers.
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I'd let Coach and those with experience decide The Squat's place in competitive sports where every sliver or muscle is advantageous, but for a gym rat like myself that trains to feel good and have a bit of muscle, squats is something I rarely do. I kill myself on the leg press and hacks though. I've completely stopped leg extensions now. Way too taxing on the tendons and not a natural movement in my opinion.
I agree. Squats are necessary if you want to improve strength and power; they are optional for those just looking to build muscle and to look and feel good.
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Your legs don't know exercises , they only know stress.
I agree with you, which is why I've never believed this 'keep the muscle guessing' bullshit. Or by its proper name, the Weider Confusion Principle or some shit. I train pretty much exactly the same, only mixing it up when I get bored. I've always made progress and gotten stronger, even though I don't train for that.
All I ever do for legs for instance, is leg press and hacks. I get DOMS every single time. Without fail. Chest I mix a bit as our gym have loads of difference chest machines so it's interesting trying them all, but regardless of what movements I do for chest, the muscle is sore the next day in the exact same way.
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Paul dillett was one of the laziest bodybuilders when it comes to training but he had such incredible genes that he could grow off just doing leg extensions plus he was on a boatload of hormones, this is not the guy you want to use as an example.
sorry my friend......paul did more than just extensions.....leg presses.....lunges...... reverse hacks......and then extensions.
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Your legs don't know exercises , they only know stress.
true statement!
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I agree with you, which is why I've never believed this 'keep the muscle guessing' bullshit. Or by its proper name, the Weider Confusion Principle or some shit. I train pretty much exactly the same, only mixing it up when I get bored. I've always made progress and gotten stronger, even though I don't train for that.
All I ever do for legs for instance, is leg press and hacks. I get DOMS every single time. Without fail. Chest I mix a bit as our gym have loads of difference chest machines so it's interesting trying them all, but regardless of what movements I do for chest, the muscle is sore the next day in the exact same way.
My current leg routine consists of 10 minutes HIT on a stationary bike 7 or 8 sets leg press 6 sets lying leg curls and a few stretching sets of SLDLifts with a 10 k plate.
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I view the squat as a full-body exercise.
I make better gains and get stronger overall when I squat.
Also, it feels like the muscles in my body are balanced better, especially my lower back and glutes.
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lol tell me more guru ;)
you are fucking corny dude
Really??
Sprinting is a power (explosive) sport. You don't train power with higher reps. Usually 1-5 depending on the % and never over 5 and most of the time 1-3 with a 2-4min recovery (see energy systems). Are you one who believes that you train speed with higher reps? (referring to the Ben Johnson pic). You don't train for size with heavy weigh/low rep scheme. Powerlifiting, as an example, reps are kept low based on a % and once again, reps are 1-3.
Rule of thumb give or take a rep...
1-3 = Power
5-8 = Strength
10-12 = Hypertrophy
15 + Muscular endurance
Powerlifters train for Power as with most power sports (Football, Baseball, Track and field, etc) and most start with a Power exercise (O-lifts, Bench, squat, deadlift, plyos, etc) again, on a %. Reps no more than 5. Can't remember the last time I saw an elite powerlifter with bigger, more muscular legs than an Olympia competitor. Don't believe me, AJ Roberts just did his first bodybuilding contest. Look at his pics.
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There is just something about squats that nothing else can compare to. The lead up to a heavy squat session, the feeling of being under the bar during and between reps. The feeling you get after a great squat session, where your legs are still quivering hours later and you can feel your metabolism is still sky high, as your system tries to recover.
I love deadlifts too but it's almost like there is weight training and then there is squatting, all in a category of it's own.
I really miss squatting but I need a ton of physio to get back under the bar.
When I was 21 I was repping 240kg for 6 reps, followed by 20 rep squats. I'd be nervous all day until I squatted, but excited at the chance to push myself through blinding pain. I pulled stomach muscles several times by pushing too hard, but still, I loved the ordeal.
Last 2 years I have knee and hip issues so have to settle for lunges. Fuck the leg press, too much effort loading plates.
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45 degree leg presses are potentially a nightmare for the L5 S1 disc, Dr Stuart McGill has written about this.. same with any kind of crunch or situp.
Good leg presses like the nautilus xpload horizontal plate loaded one, are just as effective as squats with less lower back trauma. You can do higher reps without risking snapping your shit like you would with squats when the stabilizers and back fatigue before the legs.
I love squats but they're not a make or break exercise. I did belt squats and leg press for a year and my legs lost no size or strength.
anyone spouting broscience about hgh release, squats build the arms etc can still go fuck themselves.
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Really??
Sprinting is a power (explosive) sport. You don't train power with higher reps. Usually 1-5 depending on the % and never over 5 and most of the time 1-3 with a 2-4min recovery (see energy systems). Are you one who believes that you train speed with higher reps? (referring to the Ben Johnson pic). You don't train for size with heavy weigh/low rep scheme. Powerlifiting, as an example, reps are kept low based on a % and once again, reps are 1-3.
Rule of thumb give or take a rep...
1-3 = Power
5-8 = Strength
10-12 = Hypertrophy
15 + Muscular endurance
Powerlifters train for Power as with most power sports (Football, Baseball, Track and field, etc) and most start with a Power exercise (O-lifts, Bench, squat, deadlift, plyos, etc) again, on a %. Reps no more than 5. Can't remember the last time I saw an elite powerlifter with bigger, more muscular legs than an Olympia competitor. Don't believe me, AJ Roberts just did his first bodybuilding contest. Look at his pics.
omg i agree with everything u just said. This is a bodybuilding forum which is why I said SPRINTS ARE USELESS fucking chirst.
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I squat every week but my knees cry at anything over 315, probablt from all the running with gear I did during/after my military days.....
maybe I should look into getting knee wraps? Anyome have any advice? I dont want to quit squatting....
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I squat every week but my knees cry at anything over 315, probablt from all the running with gear I did during/after my military days.....
maybe I should look into getting knee wraps? Anyome have any advice? I dont want to quit squatting....
315 parallel or even better a2g is pretty heavy for most trainers. Do that for 10-12 reps with a full squeeze at the top on the last rep and I doubt your quads won't be popping out of the skin.
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315 parallel or even better a2g is pretty heavy for most trainers. Do that for 10-12 reps with a full squeeze at the top on the last rep and I doubt your quads won't be popping out of the skin.
I do 315 3x8-10, generally.... and thats at the point where the noise coming from my knee makes me start worrying that I may go down and experience a 'fux' moment...
cant really do A2G due to my body mechanics... im 6'3" and I just cant get tht low without going over backwards/knees a foot over my toes
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I squat every week but my knees cry at anything over 315, probablt from all the running with gear I did during/after my military days.....
maybe I should look into getting knee wraps? Anyome have any advice? I dont want to quit squatting....
I wear sleeves...the warmth does enough. I don't and have never wrapped.
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Coach knows his shit. I copied that chart he wrote. Making sure I stay in the Hypertrophy range.
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For those saying that squats mess up your lower back and joints that is not true unless you dont know how to squat properly or you use too much weight.
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I squat every week but my knees cry at anything over 315, probablt from all the running with gear I did during/after my military days.....
maybe I should look into getting knee wraps? Anyome have any advice? I dont want to quit squatting....
Do 225 back squat supersetted with front squat.
You can hate me later.
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Do 225 back squat supersetted with front squat.
You can hate me later.
ive already got the hate set aside for you. Will try later this week , followed directly by punching our token gym 'shadow boxing, grunting/homo style moaning, tapout and $100 dollar jean wearing, giant mohawk sporting manlet' in the throat, and then curling into the fetal position while cursing your name.
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45 degree leg presses are potentially a nightmare for the L5 S1 disc, Dr Stuart McGill has written about this.. same with any kind of crunch or situp.
Good leg presses like the nautilus xpload horizontal plate loaded one, are just as effective as squats with less lower back trauma. You can do higher reps without risking snapping your shit like you would with squats when the stabilizers and back fatigue before the legs.
I love squats but they're not a make or break exercise. I did belt squats and leg press for a year and my legs lost no size or strength.
anyone spouting broscience about hgh release, squats build the arms etc can still go fuck themselves.
Yep, Dr. McGill is dead on. I've been to a couple of his seminars.
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I squat every week but my knees cry at anything over 315, probablt from all the running with gear I did during/after my military days.....
maybe I should look into getting knee wraps? Anyome have any advice? I dont want to quit squatting....
No need to go over 315, especially if you're just training for health/aesthetics. Cut rest periods down, increase reps, slow the rep speed down, pre-exhaust--anything that will make less weight more effective.
If you can do 5 sets of 20 with 225, resting 60-90 seconds between sets, you're a pretty strong dude
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45 degree leg presses are potentially a nightmare for the L5 S1 disc, Dr Stuart McGill has written about this.. same with any kind of crunch or situp.
Good leg presses like the nautilus xpload horizontal plate loaded one, are just as effective as squats with less lower back trauma. You can do higher reps without risking snapping your shit like you would with squats when the stabilizers and back fatigue before the legs.
I love squats but they're not a make or break exercise. I did belt squats and leg press for a year and my legs lost no size or strength.
anyone spouting broscience about hgh release, squats build the arms etc can still go fuck themselves.
Even when using light weights on the leg press? I feel absolutely no pressure on my back when leg pressing. I also rarely put over 200 lbs (or 100kg) worth of weight on the machine (the weight of the machine itself excluded) and press 20-25 reps per set.
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Even when using light weights on the leg press? I feel absolutely no pressure on my back when leg pressing. I also rarely put over 200 lbs (or 100kg) worth of weight on the machine (the weight of the machine itself excluded) and press 20-25 reps per set.
because of my body mechanics, I have to lift my ass and lower back clear off the back support (with wide knees) to bring my knees to parallel and beyond, and it puts a ron of strain on my lower back.
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because of my body mechanics, I have to lift my ass and lower back clear off the back support (with wide knees) to bring my knees to parallel and beyond, and it puts a ron of strain on my lower back.
Maybe try not bringing your legs down too low? I find a 45 degree angle works very well and anything lower start stressing my back and knees
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With good hip mobility and a low foot placement you might not flex your lower back.. Personally I prefer horizontal plate loaded leg press, one leg at a time for 20 reps.. Less chance of an oh shit moment.
I have a lot of back issues though.. Four discs are on the way out
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True but there are a lot of getbiggers who dont squat and claim that leg press gives the same or even better results.
Most of those are heavy breathing permabulkers who gets winded from climbing a staircase. Hope this helps.
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315 parallel or even better a2g is pretty heavy for most trainers. Do that for 10-12 reps with a full squeeze at the top on the last rep and I doubt your quads won't be popping out of the skin.
Yep, 315 is really all you ever need for hypertrophy purposes in the squat. Anything over that and it becomes more and more difficult to focus on targetting specific muscles and squeezing this or that. The best bodybuilders who have squatted built their legs using 225 - 405 in the squat.
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omg i agree with everything u just said. This is a bodybuilding forum which is why I said SPRINTS ARE USELESS fucking chirst.
When is the last time you actually tried them?
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i squatted solidly for 15 years full deep squats . they were extremely good but quite taxing . someone with tall legs short torso . needs more than squats to built thighs . may injure your back too .. great but my deadlift was always better .
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Squats are the shit.