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Food for thought... it's tough when you hear people claim to be 'conservatives' while at the same time supporting amnesty. Maybe they don't understand the effects upon America. Or maybe they don't care. :-\
Liberal, progressive, and globalist “leaders” in both parties in Washington are once again calling for a mass amnesty (legalization) of 12-20 million illegal aliens currently living in the U.S.
Here is why all American citizens and conservative/pro-America groups must fight to stop any federal amnesties in Congress, especially in the House of Representatives:
1. Legalizing over 8 million illegal foreign workers while over 20 million Americans are out of work would devastate the U.S. workforce and ensure high unemployment for years or decades to come. We don’t need any more foreign workers; we need those 8 million jobs that have been stolen by illegal workers for American workers in order to save the U.S. economy. Remember, only 4% of illegal alien workers work in agriculture. The other 96% of illegal workers are working jobs traditionally held by low-medium skilled American workers and legal immigrants. Those are our jobs, period.
2. The last mass amnesty in 1986 was a total disaster. The liberals who pushed it through promised tough border security and enforcement in exchange for amnesty of about 3 million illegals, but they lied and then allowed tens of millions of new illegal aliens to enter the U.S. and stay in the past 27 years. There has been almost no effort to stop the flow, deport illegals when caught, or punish employers who openly hire them.
3. Many illegal aliens are poor and uneducated and a burden on government social and welfare resources. Taxpayers currently spend about $113 Billion per year ($22 Billion in California alone) on illegal aliens (education, medication, incarceration, welfare, etc.). Legalizing illegal aliens makes that taxpayer burden permanent on our already ailing Federal, state, and local government budgets and economies.
4. The U.S. allows in more LEGAL immigrants per year than all other countries of the world combined – over 1 million per year. The U.S. cannot absorb and legalize tens of millions more immigrants, especially unknown illegal aliens, many with criminal records from their home countries.
5. Mexican-Americans and legal immigrants do not want open borders and amnesty. That is a big lie and an insult to them to claim that they support illegal immigration. Americans of all ethnicities overwhelmingly in every poll want our borders secured and our laws enforced to deal with the illegal immigration crisis in America. Immigration is not a top issue for “Latino voters” and never has been. Those are left wing and corporate media myths and lies pushed by the pro-amnesty groups and extremists.
6. Rewarding law breakers for their numerous crimes they have committed after entering our country illegally is morally and ethically wrong and punishes legal immigrants for waiting and coming here the right way. Tolerating and rewarding law breakers leads to even more law breaking as well as chaos and a breakdown of the rule of law as our laws and law enforcement become meaningless.
7. Amnesty will create up to 20+ million new, permanent Democrat voters, effectively destroying our two party system as well as our Constitutional Republic. Poor illegals and immigrants from third world countries overwhelmingly lean socialist and most of them will always vote for the most liberal candidates who promise the most social benefits. Republican candidates for President have never done well with “Latino voters” over the past 30 years. Even after Reagan’s amnesty and George W. Bush’s promises of amnesty in 2004, Republicans were still not able to get more than about 35% of the “Latino vote”. That’s because most Latino voters don’t vote on immigration; the vast majority just vote liberal, just like the majority of gays, single women, poor people, etc. Pandering by the Left with promises of “social justice” and increased welfare benefits almost always trumps American freedom and liberty with most minority and special interest groups. Conservative politicians need to focus on the American/Constitutional vote, just like they traditionally have over the past 230 years.
8. Illegal aliens already have a de-facto amnesty under President Obama who is refusing to deport most illegal aliens contacted by ICE. Illegal aliens are free to return to their home counties at any time with no penalty (and many of them have gone home over the past few years due to our bad economy). There is absolutely no valid reason to legalize any illegal aliens who refuse to live in their home countries. There is no “crisis” or “broken immigration” system to fix. We just need to enforce our laws, the way Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina, and other states are doing with outstanding results. Foreigners must come here legally or go home. No one is above the law.
9. Any amnesties while our borders remain wide open will create a new wave of mass illegal immigration as new line jumpers come here for the next amnesty and to replace newly legalized workers in businesses who prefer off the books employment and know there is little chance of getting caught or paying any real penalties. Just as in ’86, amnesty doesn’t solve illegal immigration, it makes it worse, which means more deaths along the border and more abuse of the illegals in both the U.S. and Mexico.
10. About 85% of illegal aliens in the U.S. are Mexican citizens. Most Mexican and dual U.S.-Mexican citizens in the U.S. remain loyal to Mexico and even vote in Mexican elections. Legalizing illegals just creates a permanent balkanization of the Unites States with tens of millions of foreign citizens with foreign loyalties living on our soil and occupying American jobs.
Any mass amnesties, large or small, such as the so-called DREAM Act or the new Republican “Achieve Act”, would be extremely harmful to our country and our economy and must be defeated in Congress, just like all amnesties have been defeated over the past 12 years by the people. Either we all live under the rule of law and same set of rules or all of our laws are meaningless.
For more information and to fight the new amnesty push in Washington, go to www.NumbersUSA.com and www.fairus.org.
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This is a year old.
http://sdsb.weebly.com/the-harmful-effects-of-amnesty.html
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This is a year old.
http://sdsb.weebly.com/the-harmful-effects-of-amnesty.html
So? So amnesty was a danger last year, but not this year? If anything, it's more of a danger than ever.
I respectfully disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
(cue eye roll)
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So? So amnesty was a danger last year, but not this year? If anything, it's more of a danger than ever.
I respectfully disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
(cue eye roll)
You respectfully disagree that the article you posted is almost a year old? lol
If you're going to post something that is a year old, at least provide a link so people are not misled into thinking it is current.
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You respectfully disagree that the article you posted is almost a year old? lol
If you're going to post something that is a year old, at least provide a link so people are not misled into thinking it is current.
You're still harping on this? Water was wet a million years ago, and it's wet today too.
Amnesty was a horrible idea in 2013, and voila, it's a horrible idea in 2014. The fact your entire argument FOR amnesty - which let's face it, everyone suddenly realizes you support it - is that the article is a year old.
Amnesty is bad for America. Even if you refuse to see it.
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You're still harping on this? Water was wet a million years ago, and it's wet today too.
Amnesty was a horrible idea in 2013, and voila, it's a horrible idea in 2014. The fact your entire argument FOR amnesty - which let's face it, everyone suddenly realizes you support it - is that the article is a year old.
Amnesty is bad for America. Even if you refuse to see it.
Quote the argument I made for amnesty.
My only point was your failure to post a link, which I'm pretty sure was deliberate because you knew the article was so old.
If I actually read your posts every day I could do this all day long. :D
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Quote the argument I made for amnesty.
My only point was your failure to post a link, which I'm pretty sure was deliberate because you knew the article was so old.
If I actually read your posts every day I could do this all day long. :D
ah, playing that fence "i never said how I felt, even after I talked it up and said repubs support it".
Amnesty is piece of shit. Period. True conservatives don't support it, as I've shown.
You can consider yourself liberal, moderate, conseravtive, whatever you'd like.
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ah, playing that fence "i never said how I felt, even after I talked it up and said repubs support it".
Amnesty is piece of shit. Period. True conservatives don't support it, as I've shown.
You can consider yourself liberal, moderate, conseravtive, whatever you'd like.
I see. So when you said "The fact your entire argument FOR amnesty - which let's face it, everyone suddenly realizes you support it"
you were just lying again? I am just floored that you fabricated statements. I mean it's so uncharacteristic.
So again, quote me. Go back and look at my comments about amnesty.
Never mind you lying liar. Let me save you the trouble. I have the same view about amnesty (it is inevitable) that I do about homosexual marriage (it is inevitable).
Let's see if you are smart enough to figure this out. :)
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You're still harping on this? Water was wet a million years ago, and it's wet today too.
Amnesty was a horrible idea in 2013, and voila, it's a horrible idea in 2014. The fact your entire argument FOR amnesty - which let's face it, everyone suddenly realizes you support it - is that the article is a year old.
Amnesty is bad for America. Even if you refuse to see it.
Maybe Beach Bum is a pro Amnesty conservative?
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Maybe Beach Bum is a pro Amnesty conservative?
Maybe he is a communist conservative? :o
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Maybe he is a communist conservative? :o
;D
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The left denies amnesty is a vote grab but with all the damage amnesty will cause I can think of no other reason they are for it.
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I see. So when you said "The fact your entire argument FOR amnesty - which let's face it, everyone suddenly realizes you support it"
you were just lying again? I am just floored that you fabricated statements. I mean it's so uncharacteristic.
So again, quote me. Go back and look at my comments about amnesty.
Never mind you lying liar. Let me save you the trouble. I have the same view about amnesty (it is inevitable) that I do about homosexual marriage (it is inevitable).
Let's see if you are smart enough to figure this out. :)
So because you think it's inevitable, you just roll over and take it? ???
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So because you think it's inevitable, you just roll over and take it? ???
? Who said that? Just stating the obvious. As I said in another post, it's like homosexual marriage. It's going to happen. That doesn't mean you necessarily support it. It's just a fact.
I'm about as anti-amnesty as you can get, and even favor changing the anchor baby law, but that ship has sailed. Both parties have jumped on the bandwagon.
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Amnesty is one of those issues where most people will ADMIT where they stand.
Should people who are here illegally be able to stay - Or NOT.
I find it very difficult to trust a person who won't commit to either position on this issue. Are they just waiting for a candidate to come along so they can jump on that bandwagon?
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Amnesty is one of those issues where most people will ADMIT where they stand.
Should people who are here illegally be able to stay - Or NOT.
I find it very difficult to trust a person who won't commit to either position on this issue. Are they just waiting for a candidate to come along so they can jump on that bandwagon?
The more I think about it...
The more I think a lot of republicans are going to suddenly just get very quiet on amnesty.
This way they can support whoever arises from the GOP race without any kind of hesitation. They'll candy coat it with "I never technically said I was against it..."
Something as huge as guarding our country from people who are here illegally - there is no hesitation. There is no "I'm not sure." You either let illegals come here and stay here, or you don't. There isn't a lot of depth to this issue. You give a shit about laws regarding coming here illegally, or you dont.
And if you're scared to commit to a position, that's cool I guess.
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Nobody who wants amnesty gets my vote.
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Nobody who wants amnesty gets my vote.
PROPS for that. I'm pretty sure 333386 has the same position?
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The starting point is a secure border. Then a realistic guest worker program plan. Then the immediate deportation of all..ALL illegals in the criminal justice system.
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The way I understand it Obama is the enemy of blacks, women and Latinos. This is not a joke.
The enemy of blacks: By far the highest black male unemployment rate in the country under Obama.
The enemy of women: Lowest employment of women within Obama's administration, the lowest of any administration since they started tracking this.
The enemy of Latinos: By far the most deportations of illegal immigrants, and in some cases their legal children too, under Obama. This has broken up many Latino families and left many children orphaned inside the US.
Obama should be getting high fives from white male conservatives about these three. Don't know why he isn't. ;D
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Good post 240.
Im still waiting to hear ONE SINGLE REASON why amnesty would be good for america.
It is incredible if you think about it, the amount of pressure and media attention pushing amnesty, the highest levels of politicians including the president pushing it publically...yet they NEVER EVEN SAY why or how it would be good for the nation. They NEVER EVEN GIVE A REASON!
Its like they are so smug now, they dont even feel the need to justify anything.
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Social Justice, equality....taking America down a peg so we redistribute everything that Americans have worked hard for. Turning America into a 3rd world socialist shithole. These people should be hung as traitors...with poor blacks leading the charge.
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Good post 240.
Im still waiting to hear ONE SINGLE REASON why amnesty would be good for america.
It is incredible if you think about it, the amount of pressure and media attention pushing amnesty, the highest levels of politicians including the president pushing it publically...yet they NEVER EVEN SAY why or how it would be good for the nation. They NEVER EVEN GIVE A REASON!
Its like they are so smug now, they dont even feel the need to justify anything.
The two reasons I hear most are that it will grow and the economy and increase tax revenue. Both of these arguments are deeply flawed. First off, the increase in the economy goes directly to the immigrants wallets. It does not help native workers at all. It only creates more competition for jobs and drives down wages. Secondly, the immigrants will take in more from government services than they pay in.
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Good post 240.
Im still waiting to hear ONE SINGLE REASON why amnesty would be good for america.
It is incredible if you think about it, the amount of pressure and media attention pushing amnesty, the highest levels of politicians including the president pushing it publically...yet they NEVER EVEN SAY why or how it would be good for the nation. They NEVER EVEN GIVE A REASON!
Its like they are so smug now, they dont even feel the need to justify anything.
So even though the article is a year old, you still see its points as 100% correct?
I do, of course.
Matrix, what do you think about the repubs that are 'playing the fence' on amnesty, afraid to commit either way? Doesn't amnesty seem like one of those issues where, if you don't already feel strongly about the need to keep lawbreakers out of USA... then ya probably already kinda support the illegals? I mean, shouldn't "make people follow the law" just be automatic? Nothing to ponder...
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Nobody who wants amnesty gets my vote.
You might be sitting out 2016 then. :-\
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You might be sitting out 2016 then. :-\
beach bum, how do you feel about amnesty? Do you support amnesty?
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So even though the article is a year old, you still see its points as 100% correct?
I do, of course.
Matrix, what do you think about the repubs that are 'playing the fence' on amnesty, afraid to commit either way? Doesn't amnesty seem like one of those issues where, if you don't already feel strongly about the need to keep lawbreakers out of USA... then ya probably already kinda support the illegals? I mean, shouldn't "make people follow the law" just be automatic? Nothing to ponder...
There can be no 'on the fence'...that just means they are weighing the potential political consequences of either side before going public with a stance. Anyone who does this is a gutless scam artist with zero actual principles or conviction.
The issue is clear as day- there is No reason at all to be pro amnesty other than for the democratic votes or because your political financiers want it. It is CLEARLY not good for america or americans in any possible way.
It is sad to see people supporting this disaster. Im re reading rand pauls book from 2011 and he is clearly anti-amnesty back then...so to see him now kind of changing and flirting with amnesty is disgraceful and a huge knock to his credibility imo
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There can be no 'on the fence'...that just means they are weighing the potential political consequences of either side before going public with a stance. Anyone who does this is a gutless scam artist with zero actual principles or conviction.
The issue is clear as day- there is No reason at all to be pro amnesty other than for the democratic votes or because your political financiers want it. It is CLEARLY not good for america or americans in any possible way.
It is sad to see people supporting this disaster. Im re reading rand pauls book from 2011 and he is clearly anti-amnesty back then...so to see him now kind of changing and flirting with amnesty is disgraceful and a huge knock to his credibility imo
great post man, it made me smile and realize there are true conservatives out there.
The sad day will be IF/when the 2016 GOP candidate gives in to pressure and embraces amnesty...
then the dems STILL win 3/4 of the hispanic vote... all while the base voters that outright hate amnesty, stay home and don't vote in 2016. And hilary wins 340 electoral votes... or 360... or worse lol.
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beach bum, how do you feel about amnesty? Do you support amnesty?
My views about amnesty have been stated repeatedly on this board, including in this thread.
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great post man, it made me smile and realize there are true conservatives out there.
The sad day will be IF/when the 2016 GOP candidate gives in to pressure and embraces amnesty...
then the dems STILL win 3/4 of the hispanic vote... all while the base voters that outright hate amnesty, stay home and don't vote in 2016. And hilary wins 340 electoral votes... or 360... or worse lol.
Yea if the 2016 nominee embraces it(assuming it doesnt happen before then), that = game over for the united states as we know it.
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Unless we see a massive backlash...a tech boom or energy boom that we don't currently see coming...I think we're done. I think our energy needs with fracking have gotten better but unless we get a late 90's economy all of a sudden to pull us out of this fast, the world is coming off the tracks faster everyday.
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My views about amnesty have been stated repeatedly on this board, including in this thread.
link to where you stated your opinion? thanks in advance.
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link to where you stated your opinion? thanks in advance.
::) http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=527879.0
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::) http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=527879.0
It's going to happen. That doesn't mean you necessarily support it. It's just a fact.
I'm about as anti-amnesty as you can get, and even favor changing the anchor baby law, but that ship has sailed. Both parties have jumped on the bandwagon.
Ah, you dislike it but see it as inevitable? I used to feel that way, beach bum. Then I evolved. And you can too.
Cruz and some republicans aren't ready to give up. neither should we, man!
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Ah, you dislike it but see it as inevitable? I used to feel that way, beach bum. Then I evolved. And you can too.
Cruz and some republicans aren't ready to give up. neither should we, man!
It's going to happen. Get used to the idea. Politicians don't stand on principle. They say and do whatever they need to get elected. That's why Republicans are supporting it.
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Ted Cruz isn't supporting it.
Right is right, even if nobody is doing it. And wrong is wrong, even if everybody is doing it.
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All of this should have been a moot point after the Reagan amnesty in 86 but here we are again.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/30/REPORT-Obama-Admin-Released-Tens-Of-Thousands-Of-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminals
nice - fng nice
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/31/report-obama-administration-released-68000-convicted-criminal-aliens-last-year
He needs to be tried for treason at this point,
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/31/report-obama-administration-released-68000-convicted-criminal-aliens-last-year
He needs to be tried for treason at this point,
why don't the repubs have the balls to do exactly that?
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why don't the repubs have the balls to do exactly that?
Because it would backfire and be a disaster
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It's going to happen. Get used to the idea. Politicians don't stand on principle. They say and do whatever they need to get elected. That's why Republicans are supporting it.
Dude, it doesn't HAVE to happen. Please, don't just accept it as "it's going to happen".
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