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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Jr. Yates on January 19, 2006, 02:26:49 PM
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wake up-shake with water...2 scoops (shower)
Breakfast-10 eggs,2 yolks 1 cup oatmeal
2.5 hours later - chicken breast,1 can tuna,half cup brown rice,1 cup veggies.
2.5 hours later - 1 cup oatmeal,1 orange,3 scoops whey protien with water (preworkout)
post workout - 3 scoops whey protein , bowl of cream of wheat.
2.5 hours later - 2 chicken breasts,half cup brown rice,1 cup veggies.
2 hours later- 1 can tuna
before bed 1-2 scoops whey protein with water.
what do you guys think im open to any changes.
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i meant to post this in nutrition board...my bad.
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:D Nobodys perfect!Only thing I might change looking at it quickly is the meal after your post workout shake.Not the meal itself but eat a whole meal maybe only 1/2 hr. to 45 minutes after that post workout shake.
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Question, do you have a job? ;D
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Question, do you have a job? ;D
no sir....im going to school and living off of a bank account from which i made last summer which i hope to do again this summer....it was a shutdown at a mill.
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:D Nobodys perfect!Only thing I might change looking at it quickly is the meal after your post workout shake.Not the meal itself but eat a whole meal maybe only 1/2 hr. to 45 minutes after that post workout shake.
ic the cream of wheat with shake is not good?
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2.5 hours later - chicken breast,1 can tuna,half cup brown rice,1 cup veggies.
2.5 hours later - 2 chicken breasts,half cup brown rice,1 cup veggies.
What size are the chicken breasts you eat, the ones I buy have 40 grams of protein per serving. I just think that 80 grams at once is more than the body can efficiently use. Same with the breast and tuna that makes almost 70 grams, still a bit high in my opinion.
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I dunno if the Cream of Wheat PW is sufficient in the way of carbs....
Also, i think you might be going a little heavy on the protein, unless you weigh 250+ lbs with low bodyfat and/or are juicing....how many grams protein in a scoop for you?
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24 grams per scoop....i currently weight 226 lbs and i train 6 straight days with one day off.
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24 grams per scoop....i currently weight 226 lbs and i train 6 straight days with one day off.
yeah man that's like 375 grams of protein per day, at least. That's more than 1.5 g per day, you really don't need all that. I'd back off just a bit. Every time you have "3 scoops" just have 2, and axe the can of tuna from the meal with the chicken. Just a thought.
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Looks OK, better than a lot of guys, but still has some holes I think. 1st off, postworkout shake would be better taken with simple carbs, followed by a whole food meal about an hour or so later, this meal would be more suited to have some sort of slower digesting carb. Second thing, some of your meals have more protein then necessary, 40-50g per meal is more than enough. Also, where is the fat? This is a pretty low fat diet, and you could benefit from taking in some healthy fats.
Here is an example of my typical bulking diet, see what you think:
Meal 1:
6 eggs 1/2cup oats
Meal 2:
Shake 40g whey
Meal 3: 8oz red meat, 1potato, salad, 1/2tbs olive oil
Meal 4:
Shake 40g whey
Meal 5: 1hr-1.5hr before training
8oz chicken 1/2cup rice, 1/2cup cashews
Meal 6: post/training
Shake w/Gatorade 40g whey, 16oz Gatorade
Meal 7: 1hr after meal 6
8oz chicken 1/2cup rice, 1/2cup cashews
Meal 8: before bed
6 eggs 1/2cup oats
Meal 3 and meal 5 switch places sometimes, depending on my mood. Also, you'll notice that my carb intake is not all that high for a bulking diet, but with the added fat in the diet, by way of olive-oil, nuts, and a little red meat, helps to provide the energy I need for training...but at times if I get to feeling like I need a little more, I'll munch on some low-sugar oat granola bars
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Looks OK, better than a lot of guys, but still has some holes I think. 1st off, postworkout shake would be better taken with simple carbs, followed by a whole food meal about an hour or so later, this meal would be more suited to have some sort of slower digesting carb. Second thing, some of your meals have more protein then necessary, 40-50g per meal is more than enough. Also, where is the fat? This is a pretty low fat diet, and you could benefit from taking in some healthy fats.
Here is an example of my typical bulking diet, see what you think:
Meal 1:
6 eggs 1/2cup oats
Meal 2:
Shake 40g whey
Meal 3: 8oz red meat, 1potato, salad, 1/2tbs olive oil
Meal 4:
Shake 40g whey
Meal 5: 1hr-1.5hr before training
8oz chicken 1/2cup rice, 1/2cup cashews
Meal 6: post/training
Shake w/Gatorade 40g whey, 16oz Gatorade
Meal 7: 1hr after meal 6
8oz chicken 1/2cup rice, 1/2cup cashews
Meal 8: before bed
6 eggs 1/2cup oats
Meal 3 and meal 5 switch places sometimes, depending on my mood. Also, you'll notice that my carb intake is not all that high for a bulking diet, but with the added fat in the diet, by way of olive-oil, nuts, and a little red meat, helps to provide the energy I need for training...but at times if I get to feeling like I need a little more, I'll munch on some low-sugar oat granola bars
that diet looks good thanks arnold jr! yeah about the fats...i'll have a handful of almonds here or there and i put natural peanut butter in my postworkout shake. sorry i didn't add that. but thanks for your tips!
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Looks OK, better than a lot of guys, but still has some holes I think. 1st off, postworkout shake would be better taken with simple carbs, followed by a whole food meal about an hour or so later, this meal would be more suited to have some sort of slower digesting carb. Second thing, some of your meals have more protein then necessary, 40-50g per meal is more than enough. Also, where is the fat? This is a pretty low fat diet, and you could benefit from taking in some healthy fats.
Good STUFF JARNOLD----healthy fats (unsaturated) are of utmost importance!!! Cutting out too much fat from the diet makes your body want to hold more fat since it isnt getting any I would definitely reccomend more fat in the diet as well as some EFA's (fish oils etc)...it always kills me when people will say "dont know why i cant lose any fat, ive cut almost all of it out of my diet" thats an all-too-common occurence by most people...its simple really, if you take in enough healthy fats, it makes your body more effiecient at burning fat!!
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Hey Arnold jr you eat 12 full eggs a day or is it egg whites? I limit it to 3 eggs a day because i read there is too much saturated fat.
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he said 6, and yes is it whole eggs? cuz i only have 2 yolks a day but thats 14 yolks a week 62 yolks a month....any more that that...i donno..i have eggs everyday for breakfast.
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Hey Arnold jr you eat 12 full eggs a day or is it egg whites? I limit it to 3 eggs a day because i read there is too much saturated fat.
It's whole eggs, scrambled.
Follow this link to see nutritional breakdown of one egg...when you get to the page, just change the serving size to 1egg, it will show up at first as 1cup.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c201w.html
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alright thanks for that link
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actually he's got it listed twice... first meal and last. thx :)
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I'm assuming that you take a quality multi vitamin/minerial (trace elements included)/herbial complex. If nothing else these can aid muscle cell's abilities to absorb important norishments from the blood stream; amino's ,cell salts, etc. They also help insure balance to all the glands of the body. My own view is that more whole grain & muscle meat products should be eaten when the purpose is to gain true muscular weight and superior strength for your potentional. As said in the other post, fat's are very important. Flaxseed,Peanut, Olive & Fish oil's top the list. Olive, safflower & peanut oils are excellent for cooking purposes. Some trainee's will even take a spoon full of olive, safflower oil in their shakes before/after a workout session. Good Luck.
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my typical day consists of getting up at 7:15 a.m., showering, choking down cereal, juice, and coffee, and just about making it on time to work by 8:30 for a job i only live about 10 minutes away from. then i sit on the phone, stare at a computer screen, and listen to people scream and yell at me about where their f'in order is, until about 11:15 a.m.. then, the little lunch truck comes, i get all of about a 2 minute break, and i try and drink a red bull inbetween my being paged for more calls!!! then, if i'm lucky, i finally go to lunch for a 1/2 hour(however, it usually is only about 20 minutes actual time, cause it takes me 10 minutes to travel, order lunch, and finally sit down to eat it.) then i rush back to work, swipe the clock late usually, and do what i did all morning until i swipe the clock again at 5:00 p.m. oh, somewhere between all this, i drink a 2nd red bull too. then i come home, try to relax, have dinner, and i'm right back out the door again by about 7 for an a.a. meeting! this is my life! (PATHETIC, AIN'T IT!) oh, did i mention that i try to fit working out into this somewhere, sometimes?! TOO HELL WITH PLANNING MEALS AND WHEN AND HOW MUCH I EAT! WHO HAS THE F'IN TIME TO DO THAT?! JUST SHOOT ME!!! PLEASE!!! :'(
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my typical day consists of getting up at 7:15 a.m., showering, choking down cereal, juice, and coffee, and just about making it on time to work by 8:30 for a job i only live about 10 minutes away from. then i sit on the phone, stare at a computer screen, and listen to people scream and yell at me about where their f'in order is, until about 11:15 a.m.. then, the little lunch truck comes, i get all of about a 2 minute break, and i try and drink a red bull inbetween my being paged for more calls!!! then, if i'm lucky, i finally go to lunch for a 1/2 hour(however, it usually is only about 20 minutes actual time, cause it takes me 10 minutes to travel, order lunch, and finally sit down to eat it.) then i rush back to work, swipe the clock late usually, and do what i did all morning until i swipe the clock again at 5:00 p.m. oh, somewhere between all this, i drink a 2nd red bull too. then i come home, try to relax, have dinner, and i'm right back out the door again by about 7 for an a.a. meeting! this is my life! (PATHETIC, AIN'T IT!) oh, did i mention that i try to fit working out into this somewhere, sometimes?! TOO HELL WITH PLANNING MEALS AND WHEN AND HOW MUCH I EAT! WHO HAS THE F'IN TIME TO DO THAT?! JUST SHOOT ME!!! PLEASE!!! :'(
wow. self-provoked meltdown. strange & sad.
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wow. self-provoked meltdown. strange & sad.
i agree
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my typical day consists of getting up at 7:15 a.m., showering, choking down cereal, juice, and coffee, and just about making it on time to work by 8:30 for a job i only live about 10 minutes away from. then i sit on the phone, stare at a computer screen, and listen to people scream and yell at me about where their f'in order is, until about 11:15 a.m.. then, the little lunch truck comes, i get all of about a 2 minute break, and i try and drink a red bull inbetween my being paged for more calls!!! then, if i'm lucky, i finally go to lunch for a 1/2 hour(however, it usually is only about 20 minutes actual time, cause it takes me 10 minutes to travel, order lunch, and finally sit down to eat it.) then i rush back to work, swipe the clock late usually, and do what i did all morning until i swipe the clock again at 5:00 p.m. oh, somewhere between all this, i drink a 2nd red bull too. then i come home, try to relax, have dinner, and i'm right back out the door again by about 7 for an a.a. meeting! this is my life! (PATHETIC, AIN'T IT!) oh, did i mention that i try to fit working out into this somewhere, sometimes?! TOO HELL WITH PLANNING MEALS AND WHEN AND HOW MUCH I EAT! WHO HAS THE F'IN TIME TO DO THAT?! JUST SHOOT ME!!! PLEASE!!! :'(
It's all about time management bro, that's the ticket plain and simple. For instance take my life for example, for the past 4 1/2 yrs:
Full time student
Full time job (and yeah, I work in construction, so don't give me any bull-shit about being tired)
I am at the gym 6 days wk, 2x a day if it's diet time
I do volunteer work for my political party of choice (I know your asking, is he a Dem or Rep...I'll keep that to myself on this board.)
You would think all that would take all my time, but I still manage to spend some time with family and friends, pursue my other intrest, such as writing and of coarse the ever so elusive female species... and oh yeah, not to mention posting here on getbig.
The only way to have time to do all you have to do is have a plan. Plan out your training a week in advance if you need to. Set aside a time when you are going to train, and stick with that. Start preparing meals in advance, I cook over half my meals for the wk on Sunday afternoon. Sure it's not the most glamorous entrees, but it does the job. And most importantly, never, and I mean never feel sorry for yourself, this doesn't do you any good what so ever. It only weakens your demeanour, and leads you down the path of mediocrity, and that is no way to live.
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Yup bodybuilding i think is the best teacher for time management and sorting out your life! way to go Arnold Jr. thats awesome...that post inspired me to not worry so much about my work load.
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Yup bodybuilding i think is the best teacher for time management and sorting out your life! way to go Arnold Jr. thats awesome...that post inspired me to not worry so much about my work load.
I'll never understand these people who complain about their lack of time. I mean come on, even the President (regardless if you like him or not)has time to hit the weights a few days a wk. Sure, he's got a lot of people who actually do the work for him, but as President he has a heavy load of responsibility, much more then most of us here, and his time is much more pressed.
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the way i see it if your gonna complain about having (key word HAVING) to do all the fundamentals for success in bodybuilding you might as well get the hell outta the gym and never come back. I was doing overtime at a mill for more than 14 days straight 12 hour days....i didn't miss one workout....some guys at my gym work like that all the time and they still come to the gym and give 'er everything they got! I think thats what the sport is all about and i love to see that! so dude with your AA meetings and what not....my advice to you is simply a slap in the face.
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It would be nice to have a regular 9 to 5 job or even have a mapped out college class week (or even both at the same time) so you can be involved in the sub culture practice of BB'ing/lifting. Having all your feeding's put together on a scheduled time table would be ideal. All this is possible if we all lived in a perfect training world. But I see where G.R.H. is coming from in live stream time.
I'm on the road a lot. I get conference calls, go to meetings; a nice word for BS time (I have a laptop with me. I can either go remote through my home computer or through the .edu line at work... everything posted here is through my home computer). I associate with coaches/athletics and teacher types, which take more time than really needed. Trust me when I say some of those coaches/teachers are very slow witted, to say the least. If the educational quality of teaching standards drop anymore in California, than dumb & dumber will be teaching classes in all our schools. I mostly like the teachers who can barely speak English themselves, that's just swell. Anyway, I'll take a small freezer chest with me (plug in ones) with sandwich, shake, etc, which help a lot during the day. Usually I can grab an early or late lunch, sometimes not. There is always a way to get good quality foods in your body.
I have regular workout, days like most everyone else, but if I can't get to the garage gym where I mainly workout at (on the road some place, miles away) than there are two other gyms along the way where I can train at. Adapting to a uneven job environment is always possible, just have to plan ahead a little bit. Good Luck.
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The only way to have time to do all you have to do is have a plan. Plan out your training a week in advance if you need to. Set aside a time when you are going to train, and stick with that. Start preparing meals in advance, I cook over half my meals for the wk on Sunday afternoon. Sure it's not the most glamorous entrees, but it does the job. And most importantly, never, and I mean never feel sorry for yourself, this doesn't do you any good what so ever. It only weakens your demeanour, and leads you down the path of mediocrity, and that is no way to live.
Nicely put. That's all you need to know, right there.
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do whatchya gotta do.
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did you guys ever hear of "ask god what your plans are and watch him laugh"? yes, there's such a thing as planning for the future, but i believe in taking one day at a time. when i start to plan things, they usually get all f'ed up anyway! my plans change like the wind! i'm sorry, but there's no way how i can "plan" on eating about 6x a day, or doing what you guys do ! i never claimed or said that i was a bodybuilder, or was really into it. i just said working out is something i like doing! you guys can have your strict schedules and lives! i can't live a life like that! it's too competitive 4 me!
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well if you do that and works for ya, thats great im happy! but you said just shoot me please! does that mean you hate it? i like doing all the planning, it gets me gains and thats what i like....its my life and i dont' see it any other way i know what to do to get the gains so i do it no probs. but i respect that you live each day at a time and i hope it works for you.
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did you guys ever hear of "ask god what your plans are and watch him laugh"? yes, there's such a thing as planning for the future, but i believe in taking one day at a time. when i start to plan things, they usually get all f'ed up anyway! my plans change like the wind! i'm sorry, but there's no way how i can "plan" on eating about 6x a day, or doing what you guys do ! i never claimed or said that i was a bodybuilder, or was really into it. i just said working out is something i like doing! you guys can have your strict schedules and lives! i can't live a life like that! it's too competitive 4 me!
yes, i think that's a stupid quote. You CAN plan 6 meals a day, arnold jr. and JPM articulated how very well. If you're not a bodybuilder don't complain about how difficult it is to be one. Most people don't care if they eat 6 times a day or not. If you can't, and you don't care, then neither do we.
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yes, i think that's a stupid quote. You CAN plan 6 meals a day, arnold jr. and JPM articulated how very well. If you're not a bodybuilder don't complain about how difficult it is to be one. Most people don't care if they eat 6 times a day or not. If you can't, and you don't care, then neither do we.
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yup.
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i'm sorry guys! i'm just saying that it's difficult to find the time to eat 6x a day with the kind of lifestyle i live. i'd have to eat and talk on the phone at the same time! no, i don't want to be shot! you guys take things a littl e too seriously! all i'm saying is how do you guys find the time to eat 6x a day?! i can't see how the body can digest that much food?! i eat a big lunch, and i'm still "bloated and full" at 3 p.m. (my lunch is at 12:30). do you think meal replacement shakes are ok? if 6x a day is a meal replacement shake once or twice, i can see that! see where i'm coming from bros! sorry if i sound like a BASATRD! you can beat me up later if you want to! am i forgiven?! :(
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i'm sorry guys! i'm just saying that it's difficult to find the time to eat 6x a day with the kind of lifestyle i live. i'd have to eat and talk on the phone at the same time! no, i don't want to be shot! you guys take things a littl e too seriously! all i'm saying is how do you guys find the time to eat 6x a day?! i can't see how the body can digest that much food?! i eat a big lunch, and i'm still "bloated and full" at 3 p.m. (my lunch is at 12:30). do you think meal replacement shakes are ok? if 6x a day is a meal replacement shake once or twice, i can see that! see where i'm coming from bros! sorry if i sound like a BASATRD! you can beat me up later if you want to! am i forgiven?! :(
you were never needed to be forgiven! haha! yeah meal replacement shakes are fine to count as a meal! I do! i even count just a plain protien shake as a meal if i have to! so 2 meal replacement shakes and the food you eat 3 times a day puts you at 5 meals a day already!!! so thats fine! if u dont have time for one more little one 5 is fine i think.
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i'm sorry guys! i'm just saying that it's difficult to find the time to eat 6x a day with the kind of lifestyle i live. i'd have to eat and talk on the phone at the same time! no, i don't want to be shot! you guys take things a littl e too seriously! all i'm saying is how do you guys find the time to eat 6x a day?! i can't see how the body can digest that much food?! i eat a big lunch, and i'm still "bloated and full" at 3 p.m. (my lunch is at 12:30). do you think meal replacement shakes are ok? if 6x a day is a meal replacement shake once or twice, i can see that! see where i'm coming from bros! sorry if i sound like a BASATRD! you can beat me up later if you want to! am i forgiven?! :(
One of the keys to being able to eat several meals a day is eating small to moderate size meals. if you do this you will be hungry again in 2-3 hours, plus your body will take advantage of the food better then it would if the same amount was taken in over 2-3 meals per day.
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keeps your metabolism up to burn fat....and your insulin levels dont spike.....i think thats other purposes of eating every 2 hours?!
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keeps your metabolism up to burn fat....and your insulin levels dont spike.....i think thats other purposes of eating every 2 hours?!
True^ but also think about the amount of protein your body can process. If you are trying to get a large quantity of protein per day and only eating a few meals, even though you may be taking in extreme amounts, your body can only use and process so much per meal. For instance, you eat one meal with 2 8oz chicken breast, which equals 80g of protein. Your body is only going to be able to process 40g-50g of that, and the rest is just a waste. Now split that up into 2 meals spaced 2-3 hrs apart and your body uses the entire 80g. Basically bodybuilding 101 stuff here, but hopefully helpful to those still in the dark about this.
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yup! training for gains is easy if you learn to know your body and play the game right just like that!