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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Kim Jong Bob on April 17, 2014, 07:03:08 AM
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I started reading forums that talked about roids in 98 i think when i was 17 and it was anabolex ( then later others) and i dont remember ordinary gymrats talking about doses like you see today. Like that dude from gh15s page that took a massive stack and his forearms looked like he never had masturbated in his life. It was 2grams cykles with alittle gh at most but not like that (talking about gymrats in their 20s mostly).
Do i remember wrong, did people lie back then or did pages like gh15s make people go from 750mg test and a couple of dbol straight to massive doses just because they think they will look like pros in 2 years but burns out instead
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Not true, back in the day FLEX, MD and MuscleMag used to list doses and they were right up there. In the 80's people were eating orals like candies. Today's lifters are a little smarter about oral doses
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Not true, back in the day FLEX, MD and MuscleMag used to list doses and they were right up there. In the 80's people were eating orals like candies. Today's lifters are a little smarter about oral doses
i might remember wrong and keep in mind im talking about gymrats on doses like that guy simple simon posted. Not 1000grams of dbols and 1000grams of test a week. But you can be right my memorie from back then is not the bestbut i dont remember people on the forums saying they did cykles like that , alot have heard rumors about others tough.
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i might remember wrong and keep in mind im talking about gymrats on doses like that guy simple simon posted. Not 1000grams of dbols and 1000grams of test a week. But you can be right my memorie from back then is not the bestbut i dont remember people on the forums saying they did cykles like that , alot have heard rumors about others tough.
Back in the early 90s a gram of gear was a lot to be doing.
3 or 4 shots a week was the normal heavy use in the gyms I went to.
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thanks to the internet i find out about steroidas and so forth
back in the day i was arguing with people RC was natural, just a freak of nature and product of weider principle
Good Lord!!! What year was that??
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Back in the early 90s a gram of gear was a lot to be doing.
3 or 4 shots a week was the normal heavy use in the gyms I went to.
thats what i remember and heard the bigger guys in the gym say they did to. Nothing like today. But it would be interesti g to know what a guy line marko savolainen took before he went pro. The dude was massive at 22-23 and it was like 1996 or so.
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Lol a serious discussion about rouds gets a couple of post but a thread about masturbation gets lots of pages. Getbic in 2014 l
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Wonder how big ramys dosages look like? Guy went from literally nothing to top competitor in a very short time
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masturbation is a more important issue
nothing is more important then roidz
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thanks to the internet i find out about steroidas and so forth
back in the day i was arguing with people RC was natural, just a freak of nature and product of weider principle
When I started training in school back around 2005, I remember thinking Mariusz Pudzianowski was a realistic natural target. ;D
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I definitely think doses have increased annually thanks to the bad advice on the internet. All it takes is for one person who doesn't know what they are talking about to recommend ultra high doses to get people to start injecting an extra CC of whatever they are using.
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When I started training in school back around 2005, I remember thinking Mariusz Pudzianowski was a realistic natural target. ;D
:D
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Wonder how big ramys dosages look like? Guy went from literally thing to top competitor in a very short time
I'm not surprised at all.I. been saying it for 25yrs.You can build muscle extremely fast 10-15-20 lbs. Month at least until your a very big guy.mentzer and that guy from nautilus talked about that along time ago.I noticed several times .I would be cycling and bamn just start to grow, put on 15-20 lbs in few weeks then it would platau, unfortunately for a long time even though im still on or change drugs.Could nver figure how to keep it going.But the body can grow very guickly, if it can do it for a few weeks it can do it forever or aleast till your very large.
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thanks to the internet i find out about steroidas and so forth
back in the day i was arguing with people RC was natural, just a freak of nature and product of weider principle
i guess 2004
Wtf Halo? Really?Wonder how big ramys dosages look like? Guy went from literally nothing to top competitor in a very short time
Guy has probably his back covered with lots of money from rich people, access to pharma and legit stuff, in dosages we never ever imagined... Dead or melted Palumboism nothingness in few years... ;D
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HMB...REALLY WAS A GAME CHANGER..
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HMB...REALLY WAS A GAME CHANGER..
and in the 80s inosine blew us all up after Bill Reynolds discovered it in a secret Russian training camp and persuaded Joe Weider to manufacture it to help bodybuilders become champions.
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and in the 80s inosine blew us all up after Bill Reynolds discovered it in a secret Russian training camp and persuaded Joe Weider to manufacture it to help bodybuilders become champions.
YES and dibenacozide..
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Doing 750 mg of Testoviron ,a half of anadrol 50 aday(for3 days then rest for 3) Winstrol 3 times a week@100mg was the most ive heard of. That was considered crazy!! lol
about 2003 .I started hearing about Mega dosing or the Sweet spot
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HMB...REALLY WAS A GAME CHANGER..
iähmb got popular in the early 90s?
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Guys at my gym doing cycles in the 3 grams range of four different compounds, no gh or insulin, just classic injectable/orals mixture of dbols, tren, equi, test, and so on... Big but nowhere near pro levels, making no gains since ages, just to stay at their size... Others doing high doses of test and orals, becoming water balloons of shit...
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250-750mgs over time will get you as big as you are going to get, you are just chucking money away if you believe short bursts of multiple grams is going to do any better.
Its your genetic response to the compounds that makes you a champion, not the dosage.
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iähmb got popular in the early 90s?
HMB AROUND MUSCLE MEDIA MAG CRAZE ,HE PROMOTED IT HARD BILL PHILLIPS..
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250-750mgs over time will get you as big as you are going to get, you are just chucking money away if you believe short bursts of multiple grams is going to do any better.
Its your genetic response to the compounds that makes you a champion, not the dosage.
Words of wisdom!!
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250-750mgs over time will get you as big as you are going to get, you are just chucking money away if you believe short bursts of multiple grams is going to do any better.
Its your genetic response to the compounds that makes you a champion, not the dosage.
Exactly, genetic response is everything, and that is what makes "genetic freaks", other than structure and muscle bellies...
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When I first started going on boards everyone was running 500 mg of test and maybe deca. Guys would yell at you if you admitted to higher.
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When I first started going on boards everyone was running 500 mg of test and maybe deca. Guys would yell at you if you admitted to higher.
The roles have now seem to have reversed.
Go on a forum now and advise people to use 250mgs of test for a first time user and you get berated.
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That's why back then the Athletes looked great. not like bags of smashed Assholes.
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Hmβ protocols are much higher today...some people are even stacking it with Boron...insane
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There's also a pretty good chance that most of todays UGL gear is severely underdosed compared to yesterdays pharma grade.
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Believed all that bullshit. Have trained for nearly 20 years and now my back aches 24/7. Stopped before any serious damage manifested.
Forever caught now with my pair of 20lb dumbbells... keeping fit.
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my dad is a doctor and told me it is medically impossible to get freaky without chemical enhancement
Wow & wow, :o old padre is gone from a millionaire businessman to El Medico ;D
So why buying Thai shit, if old gringo is mr.medicine man ......... ::)
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Wow & wow, :o old padre is gone from a millionaire businessman to El Medico ;D
So why buying Thai shit, if old gringo is mr.medicine man ......... ::)
Maybe he got disowned for being a reverse mudshark
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Maybe he got disowned for being a reverse mudshark
Yeah !.
His Danish-Cuban-Belgian mental gear box needs some adjustments ;)
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250-750mgs over time will get you as big as you are going to get, you are just chucking money away if you believe short bursts of multiple grams is going to do any better.
Its your genetic response to the compounds that makes you a champion, not the dosage.
but long burst, there is a sizelimit you can go to withv 750mgs but the you plateu, to get bigger you have to take in more drugs.thats what happened to friend lf mine that had been on 1gram cykles and looked the same as 10 yeaes before and he complained it to me, i tod him to up the dose and he did and is alot bigger with the same diet now
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but long burst, there is a sizelimit you can go to withv 750mgs but the you plateu, to get bigger you have to take in more drugs
but at that point your not going to improve that much more, your genetics dictate that, I'm a 210 onstage bodybuilder max no matter what I take.
No six grams is going to change that.
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but at that point your not going to improve that much more, your genetics dictate that, I'm a 210 onstage bodybuilder max no matter what I take.
No six grams is going to change that.
if you would gave gone on 3grams those 6 weeks (was it 6?) WhenYou doubled your dose and stayed on for longer periods i think you wouId habe added more muscles. added a thing to my post if you missed it.
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if you would gave gone on 3grams those 6 weeks (was it 6?) WhenYou doubled your dose and stayed on for longer periods i think you wouId habe added more muscles. added a thing to my post if you missed it.
the risks outweigh the benefits, I feel like shit on 750mgs test ,250 is the sweet spot
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the risks outweigh the benefits, I feel like shit on 750mgs test ,250 is the sweet spot
yeah thats another question. But ontopic again you can go on 750mg cause you already have a awesome physique but its like many more now have to get big much faster and go on higher doses then when i started atleast , but thats just a feeling and from things i heard from friends from other parts of sweden. They dont take the time and build a foundation on lower doses and increase slowly so they go on higher doses and wont lower them so they burn out more quick
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yeah thats another question. But ontopic again you can go on 750mg cause you already have a awesome physique but its like many more now have to get big much faster and go on higher doses then when i started atleast , but thats just a feeling and from things i heard from friends from other parts of sweden. They dont take the time and build a foundation on lower doses and increase slowly so they go on higher doses and wont lower them so they burn out more quick
thing is they end up no bigger overall ,they just peak sooner plus they have likely stored up trouble for themselves later in life.
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I remember when huge doses were shunned. Not you're a pariah if you don't slam a gram of every anabolic under the sun. The advice these days is just straight stupid.
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yes really, i was reading flex magazine as a delusional kid and had no clue whatsoever about bodybuilding
didnt even see anything about it on internet untill 2004 or so when i find out about BB.com, but still i read mostly the articles on the site, didnt know about forums and all that
my dad is a doctor and told me it is medically impossible to get freaky without chemical enhancement
i said to myself what does this hater know ::)
Funny stuff... I'm sure that happened to a lot of people also... ;)
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if you would gave gone on 3grams those 6 weeks (was it 6?) WhenYou doubled your dose and stayed on for longer periods i think you wouId habe added more muscles. added a thing to my post if you missed it.
nope,not at all.
I would have likely been the same as if I had taken 500mgs a week
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nope,not at all.
I would have likely been the same as if I had taken 500mgs a week
well lets agree to disagree then
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nope,not at all.
I would have likely been the same as if I had taken 500mgs a week
Someone who i think is very knowledeable posting on another board said this:
1. Where do you think the point of diminishing returns is with test? (ie when do you feel side effects or gains are no longer possible w out sever sides)
IMO, for most, this will be around 1500 mg qwk. I know a lot of guys on this thread are saying that they grow just as good on 500 mg but I have to call bullshit on that. It has been very clearly proven both anecdotally and clinically that the effects of T are dose dependent. Meaning the greater the dose the greater the effect. At some point this has to plane off. This happens somewhere around 1500mg for practical purposes. Even people like Lats who hate test will admit they grow more on more test. Maybe you can't "tolerate" it for whatever reason (which I am suspicious of), but it is pure physiology and there is no such thing as some people who grow more off more test and some who don't. Everyone grows more off more T, period.
Guy I knew who was an engineer actually extrapolated the dose dependent increases in the famous T study where guys were given up to 600mg qwk for 16 weeks. Not saying it means anything, but he came up w/ 1500 mg as well in his calculations based on the dose response curve. Does that mean 2000 mg will not produce more effect than 1500 mg? No, T is dose dependent like I said, its just that the small increase in efficacy does not warrant a higher dose past that point.
Of course you have the possibility of post mediated growth w/ multi gram dosages, but this is not practical even if it occurs. When people are talking about you winning the Olympia then you can decide on whether you want to do crazy shit like that. But honestly, if you can't be in serious contention for a pro card @ 1500 mg T qwk along with some of the usual additions, then you should probably give up on your bodybuilding dreams.
I'm not saying that amount is needed, it depends on the person, but you have to set reasonable limits. You have guys on here trying to win a state show on a gram + of test a week. If you have to try that hard you are better off quitting now. Its ridiculous what some of these guys do to attempt to overcome the fact that they have no talent for bodybuilding. I won the NPC state open overall as a teenager having never used never more than 200 mg T qwk at that point. I just saw a good friend of mine tonight @ Gold's who won the overall at the nationals on no higher than 750 mg qwk, which a lot of you won't believe. But he's a short fucker who had all the mass he needed for that level w/ that dose, so why go higher? He's also very gifted genetically. I think a lot of guys here have never been around really good genetics, knowing for sure what they are doing drug wise. But people don't want to believe it because they would have to admit to themselves that they have shit for talent in bodybuilding. Then who would they be?