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I'd like to learn a trade. I have two years left on my GI Bill so money is no problem. I'd like to be skilled at something other than policy ::) and "Management".
So please, let me hear some ideas. I'd like to make a decent living from this trade. Not to fond on going to school a really long time, I will if I feel it's worth it.
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The trades are a rigged game, dude. Go ask any journeyman plumber, electrician, industrial mechanic, or HVAC technician how hard it was for them to be hired on as a first year apprentice. Most will tell you to go back to school or find anything besides the trades.
Too many guys are licensed (meaning they did their five years) and can't find work because illegals are doing the same job for half the price. The cops only bust like 5% of them. It's an underground business.
Management generally sucks if it's in-store. Corporate means good $$ but they fire you pretty quickly if you don't deliver on all the KPIs, which you generally can't control. Plus it's stressful having everyone come to you with their problems but only have limited authority to fix them, since your bosses shoot down most of your suggestions and tell you to stick with the template that's in place.
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Plumbing.
As long as people are taking shits, plumbers will have work.
Yeah, in construction. Which is shitty work (pun intended).
Plumbers who work for off-construction businesses that service residential/commercial have to be on-call because there isn't always work. You're competing against 30 other companies in your area. The only way to make money year-round is to own the business and do your own work yourself. But that takes an initial investment and the patience to set up your name and clientele list. Then consider you have to be in your van with the ladder on the roof all day. These guys live in traffic and work like 14 hour days. They give their asses out for that $60-120K.
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I was thinking more along the lines of electrician, or hospital work like radiology.
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I was thinking more along the lines of electrician, or hospital work like radiology.
Radiology's like a 6-year college commitment.
Electrician is you go to a vocational school and take a year of basic electrical classes. Then you shop your certificate around until someone hires you to sweep the floors and fix broken wires to try to make them serviceable again (because they're cheap and like to reuse the same gear) until they're ready to give you real work.
I've gotten all this from people who've gone down this road in the last 5 years as well as my own interest in learning a trade before I realized it was a fucking scam that only a few make money in.
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Here's what I suggest. Apply for warehouse supervisor jobs and find someone who'll say you've managed a team of 5-10 guys in a distribution environment. It might take 400 resumes but eventually someone will buy it and you'll get a 40-50K job that has benefits and doesn't involve lifting heavy objects or driving a forklift all day, just data entry and basic logistics work. There's always a need for people like that, it'll never get outsourced. It's why staffing agencies are a booming business. They always find guys willing to pull & pack orders or drive a Raymond. The idea is to be the boss of those guys and not do their shitty work anymore. That's how I did it and I make 65K now managing a team of 25 unionized sorters and preloaders for a courier company. It's night shift work but other than that, you learn the game quickly and they keep you on after 6 months. Insurance too.
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Frankly I don't blame people for stealing copper wire, siphoning gas out of parked cars, or scamming via Internet ponzi scheme fraud. There's not enough work for 320 million people. Simple as that.
The irony is there's top-paying jobs on sites like theladders.com that are empty for months/years and they have to hire people in India or Europe to fill them because no one qualified lives in their area.
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A/C guys here have electrical & gasfitting tickets. They do very well. In the US I'd only do something that is heavily regulated and requires tons of licencing. Otherwise you'd have to work for nothing in order to compete.
Best money I ever heard of someone making was in underwater welding for drilling rigs. Shit life and very dangerous but you could basically retire after 5 years work. If you survive. Apparently lots don't.
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A/C guys here have electrical & gasfitting tickets. They do very well. In the US I'd only do something that is heavily regulated and requires tons of licencing. Otherwise you'd have to work for nothing in order to compete.
Best money I ever heard of someone making was in underwater welding for drilling rigs. Shit life and very dangerous but you could basically retire after 5 years work. If you survive. Apparently lots don't.
Since you say tickets I assume you're from Western Canada. In the central and eastern regions, they still call them licenses and Red Seal certifications.
Obviously everyone knows that the top rates go to tradespersons with a ticket or at least a first year apprenticeship in mining and oil operations. Which would mean a 3 week on, 1 week off rotation in northern Alberta or Saskatchewan. In northern Ontario there's mining work as well, and it pays very well. But all those jobs are grueling and require long hours. There's no such thing as a lucrative trade that isn't fucking hard. Most people who think they can do that year-round have no clue and wouldn't last long, even for 130k a year. Not to mention the legal mafia comes and seizes half your fucking money when you cross the six-figure threshold.
The underwater thing is a tough course with a fairly stringent matriculation process but you can find work with a few specialized oil companies, yeah. Wouldn't do it myself.
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I'd like to learn a trade. I have two years left on my GI Bill so money is no problem. I'd like to be skilled at something other than policy ::) and "Management".
So please, let me hear some ideas. I'd like to make a decent living from this trade. Not to fond on going to school a really long time, I will if I feel it's worth it.
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I'd like to learn a trade. I have two years left on my GI Bill so money is no problem. I'd like to be skilled at something other than policy ::) and "Management".
So please, let me hear some ideas. I'd like to make a decent living from this trade. Not to fond on going to school a really long time, I will if I feel it's worth it.
HVAC. climate change is making this a goldmine.
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Since you say tickets I assume you're from Western Canada. In the central and eastern regions, they still call them licenses and Red Seal certifications.
Obviously everyone knows that the top rates go to tradespersons with a ticket or at least a first year apprenticeship in mining and oil operations. Which would mean a 3 week on, 1 week off rotation in northern Alberta or Saskatchewan. In northern Ontario there's mining work as well, and it pays very well. But all those jobs are grueling and require long hours. There's no such thing as a lucrative trade that isn't fucking hard. Most people who think they can do that year-round have no clue and wouldn't last long, even for 130k a year. Not to mention the legal mafia comes and seizes half your fucking money when you cross the six-figure threshold.
The underwater thing is a tough course with a fairly stringent matriculation process but you can find work with a few specialized oil companies, yeah. Wouldn't do it myself.
Electricians and plumbers are some of the laziest people I've ever met. They rarely break a sweat and take home plenty. It'd be some lean years getting there tho.
Most heavy equipment operators couldn't climb a flight of stairs. I could see Wiggs driving a backhoe and eating cheeseburgers.
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Radiology's like a 6-year college commitment.
Electrician is you go to a vocational school and take a year of basic electrical classes. Then you shop your certificate around until someone hires you to sweep the floors and fix broken wires to try to make them serviceable again (because they're cheap and like to reuse the same gear) until they're ready to give you real work.
I've gotten all this from people who've gone down this road in the last 5 years as well as my own interest in learning a trade before I realized it was a fucking scam that only a few make money in.
Lol at 6 years... More like 12 weeks for a tech. Rn is only 1-2 year. Radiologist, as in an md with a radiology specialty is 4 years plus medschool, plus specialization 2-3 years
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Eater of high-grade whorepussy
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The real answer is going to be mostly STEM majors, specifically things related to the medical field if you are willing to work at it, Physician Assistant and Nurse practitioner are two very lucrative careers and come with good satisfaction, radiology is also a good field as well as MRI tech but the first two I mentioned pay more. Ultimately though it depends on your interests and aptitude.
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The real answer is going to be mostly STEM majors, specifically things related to the medical field if you are willing to work at it, Physician Assistant and Nurse practitioner are two very lucrative careers and come with good satisfaction, radiology is also a good field as well as MRI tech but the first two I mentioned pay more. Ultimately though it depends on your interests and aptitude.
PA & NP are like 6-7 years of school, counting undergrad....probably not what Wiggs is willing to go for
Licensure for radiology tech can be obtained in months, which might be more in line with Wiggs timeframe
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roofing is a trade :D today alone I quoted 7 residential houses (re-roofs)
Try it Wiggs, good money.
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I was thinking more along the lines of electrician, or hospital work like radiology.
You should be able to go to the local community college and get a Assoc in radiology.
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Had a friend that did tech school for welding...ended up working for a truck chassis company welding aluminum ambulance bodies for good money.
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Diesel mechanic, dirty work but pays good. Most of the shit on big engines is all electronic controlled anyway, combine that with a refrigeration school for reefer trailers and you could be making 50k easy.
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Corporate means good $$ but they fire you pretty quickly if you don't deliver on all the KPIs, which you generally can't control. Plus it's stressful having everyone come to you with their problems but only have limited authority to fix them, since your bosses shoot down most of your suggestions and tell you to stick with the template that's in place.
This perfectly describes the situation with AT&T Uverse Prem Techs. For those in the United Kingdom, I have been told this is true for BT Infinity.
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Become a welder.
Metal working is always in demand.
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Dicklord evincing his Wikipedia Warrior prowess in this thread.
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Statistics. A degree in statistics is transferable to most fields. In the information age we currently live in, everything is about analyzing and interpreting data
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ill assume wiggs is now unemployed again judging by this thread
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hospital security not working out?
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ill assume wiggs is now unemployed again judging by this thread
No asshole. I'm still working.
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Become a welder.
Metal working is always in demand.
fuk no, hell I do that and it don`t pay like it used to. metal working can be pretty nasty and if you don`t watch it can seriously shorten your life.
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No asshole. I'm still working.
was just asking you absolute cu nt
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LOL @ all the posters here wanting jobs with protectionism (unions, licensing, regulations) otherwise its "hard work".
and that's the whole damn reason capital left the west and headed to Asia. Our grandparents weren't afraid of hard work and making something of yourself...jesus christ.
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LOL @ all the posters here wanting jobs with protectionism (unions, licensing, regulations) otherwise its "hard work".
and that's the whole damn reason capital left the west and headed to Asia. Our grandparents weren't afraid of hard work and making something of yourself...jesus christ.
Lol yes how dare they seek the best working conditions they can get
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LOL @ all the posters here wanting jobs with protectionism (unions, licensing, regulations) otherwise its "hard work".
and that's the whole damn reason capital left the west and headed to Asia. Our grandparents weren't afraid of hard work and making something of yourself...jesus christ.
Grandpa didn`t have to worry about management buying robots to do his job.
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Welding
Gunsmithing
Demolitions Explosives (and IEDs)
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grow medical marijuana. really
just don't get high on your own supply.
be prepared to have to kill people over $177
and remember: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time" -Baretta
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Meth cook? Just don't get involved with "The Cartel" and don't have your meth superlab under a laundry.
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roofing is a trade :D today alone I quoted 7 residential houses (re-roofs)
Try it Wiggs, good money.
Was going to say the same thing.
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roofing is a trade :D today alone I quoted 7 residential houses (re-roofs)
Try it Wiggs, good money.
You're not by any chance in the northeast, are you? I am going to need my roof done in the next year or so.
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wasnt the world suposed to end anytime soon according to you wiggy? so whats the point anyway?
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How about cult/church leader. You could preach DOOM and end times prophecy to a nice flock of sheep, maybe hook-up with the females and make a good living.
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Lol yes how dare they seek the best working conditions they can get
You're right...and McDonald's burger flippers should make $15/hour. ::)
How about people start by seeking to do the best job they can do to "earn" more and better. Spoiled western workers are the reason innovation, entrepreneurship, and investment capital have flowed away. You're not "owed" anything by an employer outside the agreed upon wage for labor exchange. You want more...then earn it.
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Have you looked into the Troops to Teachers, Troops to Truckers or Troops to Roughnecks programs?
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Wielder sounds best so far.
You could also become a software developer for mobile devices.
One of the most lucrative jobs in our region was working at a cigarette factory - mostly easy hours and huge pay... parking lot was full of cars that had expensive written all over them.
Thanks to big government the plant was moved outside western Europe and many former employees are happily working other jobs for way less pay.
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Fitter-turner. Always work for those with that trade.
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Learn JavaScript.
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You're right...and McDonald's burger flippers should make $15/hour. ::)
How about people start by seeking to do the best job they can do to "earn" more and better. Spoiled western workers are the reason innovation, entrepreneurship, and investment capital have flowed away. You're not "owed" anything by an employer outside the agreed upon wage for labor exchange. You want more...then earn it.
Yes, they should. I was just thinking about this. And at first I wasn't didn't agree, but if you live in places with a high cost of living, minimum wage today, you can't live on.
Or if you are a young person living at home and get a job at mcDonald's. Car payments are regularly in the $300 dollar a month range, then there is insurance, cell phone, etc. Things, and goods cost too much due to inflation.
Also, this is one reason why some people turn to dealing, because one can make more money dealing than working at a fast food place. The only problem is, if you get caught and are found guilty. Then nobody wants to hire you, period. That is the gamble.
Many painters are making 10-15 an hour, yet someone who is responsible for your food is not.
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we have to bear in mind when suggesting trades that wiggs is one of the laziest fuckers on the planet, so please suggest jobs of a far less physical nature please
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Yes, they should. I was just thinking about this. And at first I wasn't didn't agree, but if you live in places with a high cost of living, minimum wage today, you can't live on.
Or if you are a young person living at home and get a job at mcDonald's. Car payments are regularly in the $300 dollar a month range, then there is insurance, cell phone, etc. Things, and goods cost too much due to inflation.
Also, this is one reason why some people turn to dealing, because one can make more money dealing than working at a fast food place. The only problem is, if you get caught and are found guilty. Then nobody wants to hire you, period. That is the gamble.
Many painters are making 10-15 an hour, yet someone who is responsible for your food is not.
life is unfair. Why work to survive in the first place?
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Yes, they should. I was just thinking about this. And at first I wasn't didn't agree, but if you live in places with a high cost of living, minimum wage today, you can't live on.
Or if you are a young person living at home and get a job at mcDonald's. Car payments are regularly in the $300 dollar a month range, then there is insurance, cell phone, etc. Things, and goods cost too much due to inflation.
Also, this is one reason why some people turn to dealing, because one can make more money dealing than working at a fast food place. The only problem is, if you get caught and are found guilty. Then nobody wants to hire you, period. That is the gamble.
Many painters are making 10-15 an hour, yet someone who is responsible for your food is not.
Good points.
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Wielder sounds best so far.
You could also become a software developer for mobile devices.
One of the most lucrative jobs in our region was working at a cigarette factory - mostly easy hours and huge pay... parking lot was full of cars that had expensive written all over them.
Thanks to big government the plant was moved outside western Europe and many former employees are happily working other jobs for way less pay.
Hehe, it's almost as if you're thinking anyone can just become a software developer. They can't. It's not something you can easily switch off from when you get home from work. It's a lifestyle. You have to love it to be able to do it to professional and commercial quality. You can be an electrician and hate your job, and still make a living from it. Not the same with software development. This is coming from a guy that used to write code for a living. It's hard if you don't love it.
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Yes, they should. I was just thinking about this. And at first I wasn't didn't agree, but if you live in places with a high cost of living, minimum wage today, you can't live on.
Or if you are a young person living at home and get a job at mcDonald's. Car payments are regularly in the $300 dollar a month range, then there is insurance, cell phone, etc. Things, and goods cost too much due to inflation.
Also, this is one reason why some people turn to dealing, because one can make more money dealing than working at a fast food place. The only problem is, if you get caught and are found guilty. Then nobody wants to hire you, period. That is the gamble.
Many painters are making 10-15 an hour, yet someone who is responsible for your food is not.
No reason for car payment. Buy it cash. Phone you can buy cheap or get it through work. Insurances, unfortunately, is a fact of life. I pay a good few 100 for mine a month.
The biggest 'expense' is people trying to live above their income levels. One missed salary payment and the house of cards comes tumbling down. It's stupid and you're an idiot.
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Hehe, it's almost as if you're thinking anyone can just become a software developer. They can't. It's not something you can easily switch off from when you get home from work. It's a lifestyle. You have to love it to be able to do it to professional and commercial quality. You can be an electrician and hate your job, and still make a living from it. Not the same with software development. This is coming from a guy that used to write code for a living. It's hard if you don't love it.
Shhh.... don't spoil my trap :D
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Shhh.... don't spoil my trap :D
Aha :D
You sir, are an artist and very smart man. And the trap is beautiful. It would provide many many months of laughs 8)
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You're right...and McDonald's burger flippers should make $15/hour. ::)
How about people start by seeking to do the best job they can do to "earn" more and better. Spoiled western workers are the reason innovation, entrepreneurship, and investment capital have flowed away. You're not "owed" anything by an employer outside the agreed upon wage for labor exchange. You want more...then earn it.
I guess employers don't owe their employees safe working conditions either...all of these pesky OSHA regulations are cutting into profit margins.
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I was thinking more along the lines of electrician, or hospital work like radiology.
Uranium ore mining in Australia & you'll be into radiology + making good $.
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Since you say tickets I assume you're from Western Canada. In the central and eastern regions, they still call them licenses and Red Seal certifications.
Obviously everyone knows that the top rates go to tradespersons with a ticket or at least a first year apprenticeship in mining and oil operations. Which would mean a 3 week on, 1 week off rotation in northern Alberta or Saskatchewan. In northern Ontario there's mining work as well, and it pays very well. But all those jobs are grueling and require long hours. There's no such thing as a lucrative trade that isn't fucking hard. Most people who think they can do that year-round have no clue and wouldn't last long, even for 130k a year. Not to mention the legal mafia comes and seizes half your fucking money when you cross the six-figure threshold.
The underwater thing is a tough course with a fairly stringent matriculation process but you can find work with a few specialized oil companies, yeah. Wouldn't do it myself.
Lots of 2 week on/2 week off also. Long hours, yes. Grueling work, not a chance. At least not in oil and gas. As long as you show up and stay off the dope, you'll do fine. It's all union work, and nobody's breaking a sweat. If you've got half a brain and a backbone, you'll be running a crew in a year or two. Half the workforce in the oilsands are degenerates that can't stay off the crack or coke for longer than a few days. The entire place is a shitshow.
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The real answer is going to be mostly STEM majors, specifically things related to the medical field if you are willing to work at it, Physician Assistant and Nurse practitioner are two very lucrative careers and come with good satisfaction, radiology is also a good field as well as MRI tech but the first two I mentioned pay more. Ultimately though it depends on your interests and aptitude.
Physician Assistant programs are highly competitive to get into. You see a lot of medical school dropouts apply and get in over many other very intelligent applicants.
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roofing is a trade :D today alone I quoted 7 residential houses (re-roofs)
Try it Wiggs, good money.
I've never met a poor roofer - at least not one who owns his own company.
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No reason for car payment. Buy it cash. Phone you can buy cheap or get it through work. Insurances, unfortunately, is a fact of life. I pay a good few 100 for mine a month.
The biggest 'expense' is people trying to live above their income levels. One missed salary payment and the house of cards comes tumbling down. It's stupid and you're an idiot.
Since you live in the UK, I think you understand something about Americans.
Say you have a kid who is 18-19 and living at home. Going to the local college or community college. They have student loans, and need to commute, and money is tight. One cannot afford to buy a decent car in cash, and pay for insurance, taxes, tags. Which means financing.
As I said, most car payments are around the $300 mark. And that is for a car costing a little over 16-20+k.
Who the hell is going to pay over 20k in cash for a car? Even a slightly used car with a warranty.
How are you going to buy a cheap phone, there is literally no such thing except for like Trac Phones. Or pay as you go phones...and how are you going to pay let your job pay for it? Remember we are talking minimum wage jobs now.
I do agree that some people live beyond their means...but think about it, $100 a month for a phone, when one is getting paid $7-8 dollars an hour. You have to pay for car payment, gas in car, insurance, food, rent, bills.
And that is if you are living at home and single. That is not including if you have a child or other obligations.
As I said, painters can make $10-15 an hour. People who are making your food make less than a painter.
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welding, electrician, plumbing, pipe fitter- skilled trades
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I could see Wiggs driving a backhoe and eating cheeseburgers.
;D
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LOL @ all the posters here wanting jobs with protectionism (unions, licensing, regulations) otherwise its "hard work".
and that's the whole damn reason capital left the west and headed to Asia. Our grandparents weren't afraid of hard work and making something of yourself...jesus christ.
Excellent post!!
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Power Engineering.
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Nascar
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Since you live in the UK, I think you understand something about Americans.
Say you have a kid who is 18-19 and living at home. Going to the local college or community college. They have student loans, and need to commute, and money is tight. One cannot afford to buy a decent car in cash, and pay for insurance, taxes, tags. Which means financing.
As I said, most car payments are around the $300 mark. And that is for a car costing a little over 16-20+k.
Who the hell is going to pay over 20k in cash for a car? Even a slightly used car with a warranty.
How are you going to buy a cheap phone, there is literally no such thing except for like Trac Phones. Or pay as you go phones...and how are you going to pay let your job pay for it? Remember we are talking minimum wage jobs now.
I do agree that some people live beyond their means...but think about it, $100 a month for a phone, when one is getting paid $7-8 dollars an hour. You have to pay for car payment, gas in car, insurance, food, rent, bills.
And that is if you are living at home and single. That is not including if you have a child or other obligations.
As I said, painters can make $10-15 an hour. People who are making your food make less than a painter.
I've moved to NZ in February btw.
And I agree with your post. It's a sad sad state of affairs. People fucking up their lives like that. Never rising above earning minimum wage.
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Grandpa didn`t have to worry about management buying robots to do his job.
Then you should be IN management. Only an utter fool works a position that's under constant risk of outsourcing or automation. I used to be an IT consultant until last Thursday. From tomorrow I'm in 'managment'. No guarantees I'll be employed for life but I won't be losing my job to the Indians or robots
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Then you should be IN management. Only an utter fool works a position that's under constant risk of outsourcing or automation. I used to be an IT consultant until last Thursday. From tomorrow I'm in 'managment'. No guarantees I'll be employed for life but I won't be losing my job to the Indians or robots
I own my company scooter. I was just trying to help our resident ancient alien Hebrew with some career options.
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Why a trade?
You're single and have no kids. You can pursue whatever career you want. Go for it.
What's the matter with trade work? We need trade workers. There's no shame in it.
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Dicklord evincing his Wikipedia Warrior prowess in this thread.
::)
Either help the brother out or shut the fuck up. This is a serious thread.
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I've moved to NZ in February btw.
And I agree with your post. It's a sad sad state of affairs. People fucking up their lives like that. Never rising above earning minimum wage.
That is true. But, look at all the people in college waitressing, serving, or working at McDonald's.
Look at the high school student working at McDonald's. These jobs are often entry level, and those positions are usually filled with young people just starting out. Some of them maybe onto degrees where they are writing code, or other things.
Yes, I remember that you moved to NZ, hope all is well.
Now, onto trades. I believe that college is not for everyone. I also believe that one can learn (and possibly should) a trade even with a post graduate degree. You may never know when those skills may come in handy.
Nowadays, you have attorneys that can argue cases in court like a beast, but can't hang a picture on the wall. Nor change the oil in their own car...let alone where to put the oil.
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Either help the brother out or shut the fuck up. This is a serious thread.
Please transmit precise spatiotemporal coordinates for incoming fisticuffs.
Actually, I see two glimmers of hope for Sir Wiggins:
i) the US federal government may converge toward a Euro-style social democratic model* where a more robust welfare state is very active in helping persons like him subsist. This process will probably take a few decades (if it happens at all), and thus won't be of use to Sir Wiggins until retirement age.
ii) Sir Wiggins' bitcoin holdings may dramatically increase in value as bitcoin adoption increases to the point where the digital cryptocurrency becomes a mainstream means of money transmission and/or store of value.
Extrapolating from current (incomplete) data leads one to believe he will ignore all of the suggestions in this thread and lead a transient existence wherein he hops from job to job, subsequently relying on a small amount of savings and the welfare state to live off of upon retirement.
*ala this article (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140345/lane-kenworthy/americas-social-democratic-future)
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Please transmit precise spatiotemporal coordinates for incoming fisticuffs.
Actually, I see two glimmers of hope for Sir Wiggins:
i) the US federal government may converge toward a Euro-style social democratic model* whereby a more robust welfare state is very active in helping persons like him subsist. This process will probably take a few decades (if it happens at all), and thus won't be of use for Sir Wiggins until retirement age.
ii) Sir Wiggins' bitcoin holdings may dramatically increase in value as bitcoin adoption increases to the point where the digital cryptocurrency becomes a mainstream means of money transmission and/or store of value.
Extrapolating from current (incomplete) data leads one to believe he will ignore all of the suggestions and lead a transient existence wherein he goes from job to job, subsequently relying on a small amount of savings and the welfare state to subsist in retirement age.
*ala this article (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140345/lane-kenworthy/americas-social-democratic-future)
Looking forward to having a government that's willing to take all my money and spend it the right way so that people like Goodrum can retire comfortably.
Universal mediocrity here we come. 8)
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Electricians and plumbers are some of the laziest people I've ever met. They rarely break a sweat and take home plenty. It'd be some lean years getting there tho.
Most heavy equipment operators couldn't climb a flight of stairs. I could see Wiggs driving a backhoe and eating cheeseburgers.
i agree i work circles around these people. it used to be id work on a house then a plumber would do his thing, then id find out what the plumber was making then id take his job by offering to do it for half as much , im no expert at plumbing still learning, have yet to do my first copper soldering
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Hehe, it's almost as if you're thinking anyone can just become a software developer. They can't. It's not something you can easily switch off from when you get home from work. It's a lifestyle. You have to love it to be able to do it to professional and commercial quality. You can be an electrician and hate your job, and still make a living from it. Not the same with software development. This is coming from a guy that used to write code for a living. It's hard if you don't love it.
Exactly what I was thinking reading this thread!
It's not like you google "how to write code" and then you are a computer programmer lol
Takes mindset, talent, education or self teachings, experience to get a job et cetera
It's not like learning the registry at Mickey D
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i agree i work circles around these people. it used to be id work on a house then a plumber would do his thing, then id find out what the plumber was making then id take his job by offering to do it for half as much , im no expert at plumbing still learning, have yet to do my first copper soldering
So, basically you doing a bad job, for half as much?
Leave the plumbing to the plumbers...because you could be sued for effing something up. You admitted that you are still learning.
Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, roofers and construction workers are also notorious for hard drug usage.
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So, basically you doing a bad job, for half as much?
Leave the plumbing to the plumbers...because you could be sued for effing something up. You admitted that you are still learning.
Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, roofers and construction workers are also notorious for hard drug usage.
Interesting, this seem to coincide with my experience. Any link or hard numbers on that notion?
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Interesting, this seem to coincide with my experience. Any link or hard numbers on that notion?
I have no hard numbers. I don't think that there has been a study on it. It's kinda like "who runs red lights the most?"
One, you have to find out who is electrician, HVAC, construction worker, plumber, roofer. Or if they are "handymen". Then delve into if they been arrested, or convicted for drugs or drug related crimes. Then also their "legal status", and family background.
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That is true. But, look at all the people in college waitressing, serving, or working at McDonald's.
Look at the high school student working at McDonald's. These jobs are often entry level, and those positions are usually filled with young people just starting out. Some of them maybe onto degrees where they are writing code, or other things.
Yes, I remember that you moved to NZ, hope all is well.
Now, onto trades. I believe that college is not for everyone. I also believe that one can learn (and possibly should) a trade even with a post graduate degree. You may never know when those skills may come in handy.
Nowadays, you have attorneys that can argue cases in court like a beast, but can't hang a picture on the wall. Nor change the oil in their own car...let alone where to put the oil.
what s the point when you have so much money you only need to pay someone to do it.
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Please transmit precise spatiotemporal coordinates for incoming fisticuffs.
Actually, I see two glimmers of hope for Sir Wiggins:
i) the US federal government may converge toward a Euro-style social democratic model* whereby a more robust welfare state is very active in helping persons like him subsist. This process will probably take a few decades (if it happens at all), and thus won't be of use for Sir Wiggins until retirement age.
ii) Sir Wiggins' bitcoin holdings may dramatically increase in value as bitcoin adoption increases to the point where the digital cryptocurrency becomes a mainstream means of money transmission and/or store of value.
Extrapolating from current (incomplete) data leads one to believe he will ignore all of the suggestions and lead a transient existence wherein he goes from job to job, subsequently relying on a small amount of savings and the welfare state to subsist in retirement age.
*ala this article (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140345/lane-kenworthy/americas-social-democratic-future)
/end of thread.
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what s the point when you have so much money you only need to pay someone to do it.
The point I was trying to make is that there are many people who just lack basic skills around the house. Too specialized? Or they just never learned, nor put in the effort.
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The point I was trying to make is that there are many people who just lack basic skills around the house. Too specialized? Or they just never learned, nor put in the effort.
most of the time you re forced to learn cause you dont have the money, as simple as that.
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its hard to do any thing if you don't like it
its not unique to software
Not unique but certainly not comparable to a normal job.
Takes very special people to work as developers.. I mean have you worked with programmers?
Just like not all people are salesmen.
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I think a career in coding might open some future "Gates"... both digital and divine...
/*
God - well, today I was kinda bored... reading some stuff from Kernighan/Ritchie fellas.... clever folks created by me, of course.
*/
typedef hebrew_t wiggs_t;
wiggs_t* Wiggs;
Wiggs = (hebrew_t*) America->EmitCitizen( sun_resistant, male, hungry, future_abductee );
/* God - sigh... I feel kinda naughty now */
Wiggs->Father( Theodor_Herzl );
Wiggs->Likes( Strippers, Jesus, Fiction );
Wiggs->InnerTorment( Pussy, Bible );
Wiggs->Struggle( Eternal ); /* God - oops */
Wiggs->SystemLoad( Idle );
/* God - gee, I'm tired, time to sit back and surf getbig... may continue later */
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I have no hard numbers. I don't think that there has been a study on it. It's kinda like "who runs red lights the most?"
One, you have to find out who is electrician, HVAC, construction worker, plumber, roofer. Or if they are "handymen". Then delve into if they been arrested, or convicted for drugs or drug related crimes. Then also their "legal status", and family background.
http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k7/industry/worker.htm
"The National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) asks persons aged 12 or older to report on their use of alcohol and illicit drugs during the past month. NSDUH defines illicit drugs as marijuana/hashish, cocaine (including crack), inhalants, hallucinogens, heroin, or prescription-type drugs used nonmedically.6 Heavy alcohol use is defined as drinking five or more drinks on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on 5 or more days in the past 30 days. NSDUH also asks respondents about their current employment situation and the type of business or industry in which they worked. NSDUH defines full-time employed respondents as those who usually work 35 or more hours per week and who worked in the past week or had a job despite not working in the past week.
This issue of The NSDUH Report uses data from the combined 2002 to 2004 surveys to present estimates of current (i.e., past month) heavy alcohol use and illicit drug use among full-time workers aged 18 to 64 by industry category. The data are abstracted from a more extensive report available online at http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/analytic.htm.3"
Figure 1. Past Month Illicit Drug Use among Full-Time Workers Aged 18 to 64, by Industry Categories: 2002-2004 Combined
(http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k7/industry/WorkerSUFig1.jpg)
Figure 2. Past Month Heavy Alcohol Use among Full-Time Workers Aged 18 to 64, by Industry Categories: 2002-2004 Combined
(http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k7/industry/WorkerSUFig2.jpg)
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http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k7/industry/worker.htm
Substance use in the workplace negatively affects U.S. industry through lost productivity, workplace accidents and injuries, employee absenteeism, low morale, and increased illness. The loss to U.S. companies due to employees' alcohol and drug use and related problems is estimated at billions of dollars a year.1,2 Research shows that the rate of substance use varies by occupation and industry.3 Studies also have indicated that employers vary in their treatment of substance use issues and that workplace-based employee assistance programs (EAPs) can be a valuable resource for obtaining help for substance-using workers.4,5
The National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) asks persons aged 12 or older to report on their use of alcohol and illicit drugs during the past month. NSDUH defines illicit drugs as marijuana/hashish, cocaine (including crack), inhalants, hallucinogens, heroin, or prescription-type drugs used nonmedically.6 Heavy alcohol use is defined as drinking five or more drinks on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on 5 or more days in the past 30 days. NSDUH also asks respondents about their current employment situation and the type of business or industry in which they worked. NSDUH defines full-time employed respondents as those who usually work 35 or more hours per week and who worked in the past week or had a job despite not working in the past week.
This issue of The NSDUH Report uses data from the combined 2002 to 2004 surveys to present estimates of current (i.e., past month) heavy alcohol use and illicit drug use among full-time workers aged 18 to 64 by industry category. The data are abstracted from a more extensive report available online at http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/analytic.htm.3
Hollywood would never survive without substances.
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http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k7/industry/worker.htm
Substance use in the workplace negatively affects U.S. industry through lost productivity, workplace accidents and injuries, employee absenteeism, low morale, and increased illness. The loss to U.S. companies due to employees' alcohol and drug use and related problems is estimated at billions of dollars a year.1,2 Research shows that the rate of substance use varies by occupation and industry.3 Studies also have indicated that employers vary in their treatment of substance use issues and that workplace-based employee assistance programs (EAPs) can be a valuable resource for obtaining help for substance-using workers.4,5
The National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) asks persons aged 12 or older to report on their use of alcohol and illicit drugs during the past month. NSDUH defines illicit drugs as marijuana/hashish, cocaine (including crack), inhalants, hallucinogens, heroin, or prescription-type drugs used nonmedically.6 Heavy alcohol use is defined as drinking five or more drinks on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on 5 or more days in the past 30 days. NSDUH also asks respondents about their current employment situation and the type of business or industry in which they worked. NSDUH defines full-time employed respondents as those who usually work 35 or more hours per week and who worked in the past week or had a job despite not working in the past week.
This issue of The NSDUH Report uses data from the combined 2002 to 2004 surveys to present estimates of current (i.e., past month) heavy alcohol use and illicit drug use among full-time workers aged 18 to 64 by industry category. The data are abstracted from a more extensive report available online at http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/analytic.htm.3
Professional Bodybuilding would never survive without substances.