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Trying to determine which is better (health-wise).
Wine
Gets you drunk faster
More sugar
Some iron
Phytonutrients
Beer
Tiny bit of protein
Cheaper
Gluten
What to add to the lists?
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Wine: phytonutrients
Beer: gluten (bad)
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Wine: phytonutrients
Beer: gluten (bad)
Since red wine has more color, does this mean it has a greater concentration of phytonutrients than white? Or is that a bad assumption
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Since red wine has more color, does this mean it has a greater concentration of phytonutrients than white? Or is that a bad assumption
Most phytonutrient rich foods have a dark color. I don't know if this is coincidence or not.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/phytonutrients-faq
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i drank a life time's worth of beer (seriously) by the time i was 35
thankfully, there is no limit on red wine
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Enough Said.
(http://www.proximospirits.com/images/1800-range.jpg)
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Just have a zima princess ::)
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Just have a zima princess ::)
Hold my appletini for me
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Wine for me.
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Jameson. Does a body good.
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vino...
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Wine for me.
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Beer. After a bottle and a half of wine, my stomach is fucked
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Beer. After a bottle and a half of wine, my stomach is fucked
Really? How
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lol
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Since red wine has more color, does this mean it has a greater concentration of phytonutrients than white? Or is that a bad assumption
GENERALLY, the darker the color of a food the better it will be for you. Now there are exceptions, such as white cabbage & cauliflower, but it's a good rule of thumb
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Enough Said.
(http://www.proximospirits.com/images/1800-range.jpg)
Used to get hammered on that shit.
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Used to get hammered on that shit.
Good quality Tequila can't be touched , you have good taste in Alcohol 8)
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Really? How
Not sure but every time I drink a lot of wine my stomach is on fire. I do prefer the taste and being able to get fucked up easier on wine, however
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Not sure but every time I drink a lot of wine my stomach is on fire. I do prefer the taste and being able to get fucked up easier on wine, however
Acidity?
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Lol no contest. The perfect combination of chocolate and THC
Where do/can you even buy those
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Red wine
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Red wine
I love Australian wines.
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I love Australian wines.
We have got beautiful wine here. I also like NZ wine and Italian wine but Australian wine is the best!
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We have got beautiful wine here. I also like NZ wine and Italian wine but Australian wine is the best!
The best stuff we have are liquorice and peanut butter, but both don't go well with a glass of wine :D
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The best stuff we have are liquorice and peanut butter, but both don't go well with a glass of wine :D
Oh Lord ( ;) ), I would kill for some perfect wheat free liquorice! Soft and sweet, like those harlequin liquorice.
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Trying to determine which is better (health-wise).
Wine
Gets you drunk faster
More sugar
Some iron
Phytonutrients
Beer
Tiny bit of protein
Cheaper
Gluten
What to add to the lists?
Red wine stains lips and teeth, beer makes you burp and contains more carbs. Glutenfree beer is expensive.
Still, both taste awful!
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Oh Lord ( ;) ), I would kill for some perfect wheat free liquorice! Soft and sweet, like those harlequin liquorice.
Do you have a (strong) gluten intolerance?
My weekend cheat meal is spelled bread with peanut butter or dark choco sprinkles :P
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The best stuff we have are liquorice and peanut butter, but both don't go well with a glass of wine :D
i love salty dutch liquorice. It's the best!
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Beer. After a bottle and a half of wine, my stomach is fucked
box wine or the cheap bottles stuff (menage a trois, etc) tears up my gut.... ain't pretty the next morning when it's time for the morning sitdown.
1-2 glasses of higher end stuff, no problem.
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I like red wine with food but drinking it for inebriation makes my head ache. I am not gluten intolerant so besides the belly bloat beer would be my choice for social drinking.
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Do you have a (strong) gluten intolerance?
My weekend cheat meal is spelled bread with peanut butter or dark choco sprinkles :P
No, a wheat allergy... :(
Can't eat de-glutened wheat starch, and have to be careful of maltodextrine, glucose syrup and dextrose, as they could be made of wheat although gluten free. Producers don't have to label the source of those ingredients and frequently switch their sources.
But I can eat spelt ;D , provided it hasn't been in contact with wheat anywhere in the process (milling stones, dough hooks, baking plates, displays...). Sadly, most producers consider spelt as a type of wheat and don't clean thoroughly between batches... :( Or even mix half wheat and half spelt together and call it spelt... ::)
Yay! Also found a spelt variation of one of our other Dutch delicacies: stroopwafels!
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I like red wine with food but drinking it for inebriation makes my head ache. I am not gluten intolerant so besides the belly bloat beer would be my choice for social drinking.
I gave up social drinking last year. I decided it was empty calories and I didn't like how a friend was trying to always push it on me. If I say I don't drink then I don't get pressured to go out to bars/clubs from my friends.
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No, a wheat allergy... :(
Can't eat de-glutened wheat starch, and have to be careful of maltodextrine, glucose syrup and dextrose, as they could be made of wheat although gluten free. Producers don't have to label the source of those ingredients and frequently switch their sources.
But I can eat spelt ;D , provided it hasn't been in contact with wheat anywhere in the process (milling stones, dough hooks, baking plates, displays...). Sadly, most producers consider spelt as a type of wheat and don't clean thoroughly between batches... :( Or even mix half wheat and half spelt together and call it spelt... ::)
Yay! Also found a spelt variation of one of our other Dutch delicacies: stroopwafels!
Even from derived sugars, wow. The food industry has way to much freedom, it says alot about how much governments care about their citizens..
Maybe a bread machine is a good investment?
Sometimes I get stomach problems from wheat bread or wheat porridge, so oat meal & brown rice are my only main carb sources.
Stroopwafels! :P
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I gave up social drinking last year. I decided it was empty calories and I didn't like how a friend was trying to always push it on me. If I say I don't drink then I don't get pressured to go out to bars/clubs from my friends.
Good of you!
Don't like it either when people push you to drink alcohol. Some of our friends are really pushy, so I told them I can't drink because I'm on meds. They kept on expressing how sorry they felt for me, but finally stopped pushing.
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Even from derived sugars, wow. The food industry has way to much freedom, it says alot about how much governments care about their citizens..
Maybe a bread machine is a good investment?
Sometimes I get stomach problems from wheat bread or wheat porridge, so oat meal & brown rice are my only main carb sources.
Stroopwafels! :P
For that one bread every forthnight, I just bake it in the oven. Our main carbs are also rice, oats and some potatoes. Though I like to experiment with more unusual ingredients like glutenous rice, teff, chestnut and plantain.
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When I first moved to Oz it was brown Brothers Dolcetto & Syrah but then I found a cleanskin for half the price ($6.99) so that's me every weekend. Beer used to be NZ Waikato Draught but now it's either Corona or Elephant beer.
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When I first moved to Oz it was brown Brothers Dolcetto & Syrah but then I found a cleanskin for half the price ($6.99) so that's me every weekend. Beer used to be NZ Waikato Draught but now it's either Corona or Elephant beer.
brown brothers is good but I prefer grand burg. I might have spelt that last name wrong. Anyway it's more costly than brown brothers but it was one of my favs.
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I have NEVER had a glass of wine thats tasted good, NEVER.
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I have NEVER had a glass of wine thats tasted good, NEVER.
You have never tried Aussie wine... Seriously.
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You have never tried Aussie wine... Seriously.
I have tried ALL wines, it all tastes like shit.
Its fucking horrible, many people drink wine to avoid the stigma of alcoholism.
They believe because its wine its not as bad.
Dicks.
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love red wine, only the problem with me is that i drink it as i drink beer.
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I have NEVER had a glass of wine thats tasted good, NEVER.
Most mild flavour I can recommend as a starting point would be a very chilled sauvignon blanc, or a semillon, or a blend of those. Unwooded chardonnay is also very tame.
Reds are gonna be stronger. Dessert wines aren't something you'd drink alone but go well with sweets. Then there's sherrys, ports, and brandys.
It's an acquired taste, just like beer. So don't be such a closed minded fagggot. Drink some damn wine.
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that because you have to learn to drink it and you will begin to love it. same with wiskey that tasted like benzine to me.
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I have tried ALL wines, it all tastes like shit.
Its fucking horrible, many people drink wine to avoid the stigma of alcoholism.
They believe because its wine its not as bad.
Dicks.
You need a good meal of seafood with some fine Aussie wine. Grand berg from South Australia is very light, sweet but not too sweet and very smooth.
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I'm assuming you're meaning Grant Burge? I Haven't tried it but I'll check Dan Murphy's next time I go.
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You need a good meal of seafood with some fine Aussie wine. Grand berg from South Australia is very light, sweet but not too sweet and very smooth.
Wine is for pretentious twats.
I see them at my local store all browsing the wine section, they only check the fucking alcohol content. ;D
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Wine is for pretentious twats.
I see them at my local store all browsing the wine section, they only check the fucking alcohol content. ;D
The higher alcohol ones are better.
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The higher alcohol ones are better.
The prosecution rests. ;D
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I have tried ALL wines, it all tastes like shit.
Its fucking horrible, many people drink wine to avoid the stigma of alcoholism.
They believe because its wine its not as bad.
Dicks.
So true!
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Wine is for pretentious twats.
I see them at my local store all browsing the wine section, they only check the fucking alcohol content. ;D
lol,,,actually i'm a big wine drinker i could care less how much alcohol is in it,only if i'm eating a good griiled food or steak do i try to mesh a good wine pairing,otherwise choose 10/20 $$ and drink it with burger/pizza ect...i have to admot i have dropped 50/100 for a good bottle.pretentious twat not with wine other things tho..lol..
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lol,,,actually i'm a big wine drinker i could care less how much alcohol is in it,only if i'm eating a good griiled food or steak do i try to mesh a good wine pairing,otherwise choose 10/20 $$ and drink it with burger/pizza ect...i have to admot i have dropped 50/100 for a good bottle.pretentious twat not with wine other things tho..lol..
Wine with a burger means one thing
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Wine with a burger means one thing
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nah..not me glass or 2 a week if that,,i have kiddies have to be 'clear'hangover free .i just like a good glass when i do.even beer man 1-2 coronas at the grill thats all,,why would anyone train hard,get in shape,piss it off with suds,hard liquor.i was never one to doit and i hung with some boozers..they laugh at me and say he's to busy at the gym to drink like us..
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A gluten allergy is rare. How it became something that is bad for you is beyond me. It's just a trendy thing to say that you are avoiding gluten.
I find weird things going on with alcohol and young people. I see 20 somethings ordering expensive hard liquor then downing it 0.3 seconds in a shot glass. If you don't want to taste it why order something expensive? On the same line is ordering premium liquor then mixing it with a soft drink or other corn syrup crap. Mix cheap liquor if you going to mix it with a coke.
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Wine is for pretentious twats.
I see them at my local store all browsing the wine section, they only check the fucking alcohol content. ;D
that'll be me then :D
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Red wine stains lips and teeth, beer makes you burp and contains more carbs. Glutenfree beer is expensive.
Still, both taste awful!
I would've thought that beer would be much more carb heavy than wine, but surprisingly they are similar. It varies between wines, of course. You have to be comparing 12oz of beer to 12oz of wine (not the 4oz serving)
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For that one bread every forthnight, I just bake it in the oven. Our main carbs are also rice, oats and some potatoes. Though I like to experiment with more unusual ingredients like glutenous rice, teff, chestnut and plantain.
Injera! I love the tart flavor of it.
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A gluten allergy is rare. How it became something that is bad for you is beyond me. It's just a trendy thing to say that you are avoiding gluten.
I find weird things going on with alcohol and young people. I see 20 somethings ordering expensive hard liquor then downing it 0.3 seconds in a shot glass. If you don't want to taste it why order something expensive? On the same line is ordering premium liquor then mixing it with a soft drink or other corn syrup crap. Mix cheap liquor if you going to mix it with a coke.
Lol. Very true. I see it often as well. e.g. I picked up a bottle of Macallan 18 to share at a friends wedding last year (not sure if you're a Scotch drinker; it's about a $250 bottle where I live). There was a young relative (mid 20's) of the bride hanging around so I ask him if he likes Scotch. He says, "yeah I love Scotch. I drink it all the time". I pour him a nice dram and he grabs it and shoots it like tequila, then grimaces as if he's gonna puke. lol. I'm not a Scotch snob; he's entitled to drink it however he chooses, but I don't think the kid even know what was in the glass.
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Lol. Very true. I see it often as well. e.g. I picked up a bottle of Macallan 18 to share at a friends wedding last year (not sure if you're a Scotch drinker; it's about a $250 bottle where I live). There was a young relative (mid 20's) of the bride hanging around so I ask him if he likes Scotch. He says, "yeah I love Scotch. I drink it all the time". I pour him a nice dram and he grabs it and shoots it like tequila, then grimaces as if he's gonna puke. lol. I'm not a Scotch snob; he's entitled to drink it however he chooses, but I don't think the kid even know what was in the glass.
Should've given him a Dewars. I probably would've prefaced with, "this is good scotch"
I don't think people start caring about quality until they're a bit shy of their thirties.
Unless you're me, and you appreciate single malt at the age of thirteen
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Even from derived sugars, wow. The food industry has way to much freedom, it says alot about how much governments care about their citizens..
Maybe a bread machine is a good investment?
Sometimes I get stomach problems from wheat bread or wheat porridge, so oat meal & brown rice are my only main carb sources.
Stroopwafels! :P
Took this beeyatch along on a short business trip yesterday. She was 'flubbergasted' [sic] about one particular organic supermarket in Germany: Alnatura. Sithloads of wheat-free food. Dinkel (spelt) everywhere! She went home poor but aroused. ;D
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nah..not me glass or 2 a week if that,,i have kiddies have to be 'clear'hangover free .i just like a good glass when i do.even beer man 1-2 coronas at the grill thats all,,why would anyone train hard,get in shape,piss it off with suds,hard liquor.i was never one to doit and i hung with some boozers..they laugh at me and say he's to busy at the gym to drink like us..
Were you sober when making this post :D
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I have tried ALL wines, it all tastes like shit.
Its fucking horrible, many people drink wine to avoid the stigma of alcoholism.
They believe because its wine its not as bad.
Dicks.
I love wine, but wouldn't force it on anyone. If you don't like it then drink what you want. I don't buy the 'acquired taste' bullshit. If that were true, I would by now have acquired a taste for bitter lemon -- which to me always tastes like the devil's earwax.
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We have got beautiful wine here. I also like NZ wine and Italian wine but Australian wine is the best!
Oh God! Australian wines are over-ripped, exaggeratedly oaky, over-concentrated wines for most of them. Had Torbreck's Run Rig, a few different Penfolds wines, ben Glaetzer's bullshit wines, etc.....The only wine maker I found to have some subtelty is Castagna 'til now. And don't get me started with the whites. The day an Australian wine will compare with a great Burgundy wine (Roumier, Dugat, Rouget, DRC Leroy, etc....), pigs will fly high.
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Not sure but every time I drink a lot of wine my stomach is on fire. I do prefer the taste and being able to get fucked up easier on wine, however
Sulphites probably. Most low level wines contain very high levels of sulphites but unfortunately some very good ones will also have this problem, whites mostly.
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Took this beeyatch along on a short business trip yesterday. She was 'flubbergasted' [sic] about one particular organic supermarket in Germany: Alnatura. Sithloads of wheat-free food. Dinkel (spelt) everywhere! She went home poor but aroused. ;D
That's the only reason why I seldom buy organic: their prices :o A buddy of mine spends roughly 500 EUR each month, Marqt is his favorite store.
Now imagine when organic foods become the new standard, but sadly we're living in a free market economy..
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Took this beeyatch along on a short business trip yesterday. She was 'flubbergasted' [sic] about one particular organic supermarket in Germany: Alnatura. Sithloads of wheat-free food. Dinkel (spelt) everywhere! She went home poor but aroused. ;D
Heaven...
I'm in heaven...
;D
Well, not right now. Eating something with protein (and wheat so it seems) in a road side restaurant was a worse choice over eating something full of carbs (certainly without wheat) I just bought at Alnatura. Still coughing my longs out and sneezing all over the cats... :'(
I don't buy the 'acquired taste' bullshit. If that were true, I would by now have acquired a taste for bitter lemon -- which to me always tastes like the devil's earwax.
You would be able to eat Belgian endive (witlof) and Brussels sprouts! Yech!
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I stick to wine coolers. Nothing quenches my thrist like an ice cold fuzzy navel. It's the best of both worlds.
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That's the only reason why I seldom buy organic: their prices :o A buddy of mine spends roughly 500 EUR each month, Marqt is his favorite store.
Now imagine when organic foods become the new standard, but sadly we're living in a free market economy..
Good reason to stop being fat, not being able to afford real food. ;D
Doesn't work for me though. ::) >:( :-\ :'(
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Were you sober when making this post :D
SADLY YES,,,
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Oh God! Australian wines are over-ripped, exaggeratedly oaky, over-concentrated wines for most of them. Had Torbreck's Run Rig, a few different Penfolds wines, ben Glaetzer's bullshit wines, etc.....The only wine maker I found to have some subtelty is Castagna 'til now. And don't get me started with the whites. The day an Australian wine will compare with a great Burgundy wine (Roumier, Dugat, Rouget, DRC Leroy, etc....), pigs will fly high.
Australian wines are some of the best in the world. Every country has our wine because it's very sought after.
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Australian wines are some of the best in the world. Every country has our wine because it's very sought after.
they are indeed, I prefer white wines, glass or two of semillon blanc with a lunch from time to time. Love Margaret River wines.
What I really like though is a glass of fine French cognac after lunch with some nice cigar.
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I use to drink a lot of beer and then I started getting indigestion bad from it. If I have any food in my stomach I can't drink beer at all. If feels like its coming back up my throat makes rest of night complete shit. Happens with wine too! Anyone know why this happens? Now I drink vodka water with a splash of juice I never have problems with that.
I miss beer it's cheeper at the bar.
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I use to drink a lot of beer and then I started getting indigestion bad from it. If I have any food in my stomach I can't drink beer at all. If feels like its coming back up my throat makes rest of night complete shit. Happens with wine too! Anyone know why this happens? Now I drink vodka water with a splash of juice I never have problems with that.
I miss beer it's cheeper at the bar.
I just burp a lot. With anything carbonated or beer like, I'll squeeze out little baby burps to keep from drinking the carbonation. However if it happens with wine, too, I don't know the reason behind that.
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Beer or wine?
Yes.
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I just burp a lot. With anything carbonated or beer like, I'll squeeze out little baby burps to keep from drinking the carbonation. However if it happens with wine, too, I don't know the reason behind that.
You're just a bit too eager to swallow. ;)
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SADLY YES,,,
;D
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I prefer wine most often. Beer is good with barbeque and at fests in Germany. German beer is the best. German wine not so much. French wine is fine as are some Oregon and California wines. Either beer or wine is fine in moderation. I little alcohol is actually good for you. Too much alcohol is good for no one.
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depends on what I'm eating... duh. when you drink as often as I do (which is about 5 drinks a year. haha), it doesn't really matter.
pasta with red/meat sauce = a glass of cab
(pasta with creamy sauce = I'm drinking a fucking glass of water.. or milk.)
sushi or big 1/2lb rare burger with provolone, on a potato bun, with bbq sauce = a glass of Guinness
after 1 beer or 1 glass of wine, I feel toxic the next day.
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California is on top right now with the craft brews. Their pale ales are the best: Sierra Nevada, Mirror Pond, Firestone, Figueroa Mountain, etc. Fantastic.
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California is on top right now with the craft brews. Their pale ales are the best: Sierra Nevada, Mirror Pond, Firestone, Figueroa Mountain, etc. Fantastic.
There are a lot of microbrews in Oregon as well.
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There are a lot of microbrews in Oregon as well.
Gimme some names.
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Gimme some names.
I would if I knew them. I am not much of a beer drinker regardless of where it comes from. Here is a link to what someone a lot more experienced than me with regards to Oregon's microbrews has to say, http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/bars-and-nightlife/beer/oregon-beer-guide-2013/articles/50-best-oregon-beers-july-2013 (http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/bars-and-nightlife/beer/oregon-beer-guide-2013/articles/50-best-oregon-beers-july-2013)
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I would if I knew them. I am not much of a beer drinker regardless of where it comes from. Here is a link to what someone a lot more experienced than me with regards to Oregon's microbrews has to say, http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/bars-and-nightlife/beer/oregon-beer-guide-2013/articles/50-best-oregon-beers-july-2013 (http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/bars-and-nightlife/beer/oregon-beer-guide-2013/articles/50-best-oregon-beers-july-2013)
You got me, Prime. Deschutes, which makes Mirror Pond (that I mentioned) is in Oregon. I thought Cali. Good link, my friend.
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Australian wines are some of the best in the world. Every country has our wine because it's very sought after.
That has nothing to do with anything, sweetheart. You assessed that Australian wines were the best in the world. Most of your "elite" wines are sought after by a specific crowd (the Robert Parker fans) who likes full-bodied, massive, un-subtle wines that taste like oak and raspberry jam. Actually, you don't find many australian wines in good restaurants in France or Italy. just a very small selection while you'll have a phone book of an French or Italian wine list. Wine just happens to be a very marketable product nowadays. Your statement was a dumb as some people saying that Bordeaux wines are the best just because everybody knows the name "Margaux" or "Petrus".
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You're just a bit too eager to swallow. ;)
I INTENTIONALLY used the word "drinking" instead of "swallowing" to avoid a comment like this! Berthaaaaa ::)
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That has nothing to do with anything, sweetheart. You assessed that Australian wines were the best in the world. Most of your "elite" wines are sought after by a specific crowd (the Robert Parker fans) who likes full-bodied, massive, un-subtle wines that taste like oak and raspberry jam. Actually, you don't find many australian wines in good restaurants in France or Italy. just a very small selection while you'll have a phone book of an French or Italian wine list. Wine just happens to be a very marketable product nowadays. Your statement was a dumb as some people saying that Bordeaux wines are the best just because everybody knows the name "Margaux" or "Petrus".
I want to go to Mendoza, Argentina one day :'(
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My mom went to Argentina. (No, seriously, my mom went to Argentina.) Came back a Malbec aficionado. Stuff tastes like gym sock water to me. Apparently it's the shit in Arentina tho.
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My mom went to Argentina. (No, seriously, my mom went to Argentina.) Came back a Malbec aficionado. Stuff tastes like gym sock water to me. Apparently it's the shit in Arentina tho.
not a fan of it..
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I sure wasn't. It's favored there tho so maybe it's a regional grape thing.
Kinda like Pinot Noir, which I really like, provided etc. All the gabbing about Aus wines in this thread notwithstanding, I must nevertheless advise the perspicacious lush to steer well clear of Aus Pinots since they're all goddamn shithouse. Except for Picardy, which was perfumy but really really good, and also really beyond my usual price range.
West Aus Shiraz, ya can't go wrong. Flavorsome stuff too. Sadly, I prefer whites unless they're serving mutton.
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I sure wasn't. It's favored there tho so maybe it's a regional grape thing.
Kinda like Pinot Noir, which I really like, provided etc. All the gabbing about Aus wines in this thread notwithstanding, I must nevertheless advise the perspicacious lush to steer well clear of Aus Pinots since they're all goddamn shithouse. Except for Picardy, which was perfumy but really really good, and also really beyond my usual price range.
West Aus Shiraz, ya can't go wrong. Flavorsome stuff too. Sadly, I prefer whites unless they're serving mutton.
U AIN'T GOT NUTTON ON THIS MUTTON..
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U AIN'T GOT NUTTON ON THIS MUTTON..
mmm MUTTON!
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mmm MUTTON!
LOL...
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It's like out the front of Satriale's in here.
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I sure wasn't. It's favored there tho so maybe it's a regional grape thing.
Kinda like Pinot Noir, which I really like, provided etc. All the gabbing about Aus wines in this thread notwithstanding, I must nevertheless advise the perspicacious lush to steer well clear of Aus Pinots since they're all goddamn shithouse. Except for Picardy, which was perfumy but really really good, and also really beyond my usual price range.
West Aus Shiraz, ya can't go wrong. Flavorsome stuff too. Sadly, I prefer whites unless they're serving mutton.
Don't go Chimps on us, man.
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Don't go Chimps on us, man.
Couldn't if I tried, brother!
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Australian wines are some of the best in the world. Every country has our wine because it's very sought after.
Judging from the abundance of Australian wines at the supermarket, most with very reasonable prices, they must be popular with certain customers.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/australia-food-blog/2013/aug/23/winning-wines-and-cheaper-alternatives (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/australia-food-blog/2013/aug/23/winning-wines-and-cheaper-alternatives)
Also check out Wine Spectator's top 100 list of wines, http://2013.top100.winespectator.com/list/ (http://2013.top100.winespectator.com/list/)