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Title: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 01, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
The fuck? ???

Muslim Bowe deserted and our Muslim president exchanged him for dangerous Gitmo prisoners while his Muslim father tweets about freeing everyone at Gitmo?

Time to put Muslims in internment camps?

Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told

The inconsistencies and suspicious aspects of Sgt. Bergdahl's release and exchange for five Taliban commanders would strain the credulity of an episode of the national security drama Homeland.

Unfortunately, however, this is reality and part of a war in which thousands of Americans, civilian and uniformed alike, have made the ultimate sacrifice.

Those in the administration who authorized negotiations with the terrorists who are ideologically allies to those responsible for the murders of September 11th, 2001 will have to answer these questions:

How did Sgt. Bergdahl fall into the hands of the Enemy? The official version is that he left his post without permission, yet on a video his captors released, Bergdahl says he was the Tail-End Charlie of a foot patrol and became separated. Which is it? Did he go AWOL? Will he be charged with desertion?

Why did his father – who wears a full beard typical of fundamentalist Salafi Muslims – praise Allah in Arabic in the press conference with the Commander-in-Chief in front of the White House?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/01/6-Things-We-Are-Not-Being-Told-About-Sgt-Bergdahl

(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bobbergdahlwhitehouse1.jpg)

(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bobbergdahltweet.jpg)
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 01, 2014, 08:39:08 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: WillGrant on June 01, 2014, 08:45:05 PM
Can you photoshop GB onto this screen  :D
Sorry OT

(http://www.vidble.com/b1paFANAHY_med.jpg)
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 01, 2014, 08:47:17 PM
Can you photoshop GB onto this screen  :D
Sorry OT

(http://www.vidble.com/b1paFANAHY_med.jpg)

yes, but not this second im not on my computer... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 01, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
The fuck? ???

Muslim Bowe deserted and our Muslim president exchanged him for dangerous Gitmo prisoners while his Muslim father tweets about freeing everyone at Gitmo?

Time to put Muslims in internment camps?

Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told

The inconsistencies and suspicious aspects of Sgt. Bergdahl's release and exchange for five Taliban commanders would strain the credulity of an episode of the national security drama Homeland.

Unfortunately, however, this is reality and part of a war in which thousands of Americans, civilian and uniformed alike, have made the ultimate sacrifice.

Those in the administration who authorized negotiations with the terrorists who are ideologically allies to those responsible for the murders of September 11th, 2001 will have to answer these questions:

How did Sgt. Bergdahl fall into the hands of the Enemy? The official version is that he left his post without permission, yet on a video his captors released, Bergdahl says he was the Tail-End Charlie of a foot patrol and became separated. Which is it? Did he go AWOL? Will he be charged with desertion?

Why did his father – who wears a full beard typical of fundamentalist Salafi Muslims – praise Allah in Arabic in the press conference with the Commander-in-Chief in front of the White House?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/01/6-Things-We-Are-Not-Being-Told-About-Sgt-Bergdahl

(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bobbergdahlwhitehouse1.jpg)

(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bobbergdahltweet.jpg)

That erased tweet was posted on Col. Allen West's site this morning. Obama is an accomplice once again.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 01, 2014, 10:11:58 PM
Can you photoshop GB onto this screen  :D
Sorry OT

(http://www.vidble.com/b1paFANAHY_med.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on June 02, 2014, 12:52:52 AM
;D
lol
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: calfzilla on June 02, 2014, 02:17:30 AM
Dude actually speaks Pashto. And you can't really speak Arabic without praising  Allah every 5 seconds. Go study Arabic you'll see.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: FermiDirac on June 02, 2014, 02:57:40 AM
;D

God bless you sir, that pic is just epic.  ;D
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: FermiDirac on June 02, 2014, 02:59:02 AM
On Topic, haven't tuned in to Alex Jones in a couple of days, but it would be interesting to hear his take on this matter. I agree that it is highly suspicious that they negotiated with terrorists.

I thought US and A had a firm policy in regards to negotiations with terrorist groups? ???
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: calfzilla on June 02, 2014, 03:00:41 AM
Can you photoshop GB onto this screen  :D
Sorry OT

(http://www.vidble.com/b1paFANAHY_med.jpg)

House too close to train tracks, would not hit.


Has anyone else noticed that the dudes dad looks like Daniel Brian?
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Novena on June 02, 2014, 03:11:16 AM
On Topic, haven't tuned in to Alex Jones in a couple of days, but it would be interesting to hear his take on this matter. I agree that it is highly suspicious that they negotiated with terrorists.

I thought US and A had a firm policy in regards to negotiations with terrorist groups? ???

Why on Earth would you seek out anything from him?
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: FermiDirac on June 02, 2014, 03:13:50 AM
Why on Earth would you seek out anything from him?

Because I find him entertaining.

And I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I find it useful to listen to non-mainstream/unfiltered media every now and then.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: 240 is Back on June 02, 2014, 03:32:11 AM
From CNN

According to first-hand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera, and a diary.

At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for Bergdahl, and many soldiers in his platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika Provice in the days and weeks following his disappearance.

Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad, to the larger group that comprised the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.

Many are flocking to social media, such as the Facebook page "Bowe Bergdahl is NOT a hero," where they share stories detailing their resentment. A number of comments on his battalion's Facebook page prompted the moderator to ask for more respect to be shown.

- See more at: http://www.winknews.com/National-World/2014-06-02/Fellow-soldiers-call-Bowe-Bergdahl-a-deserter-not-a-hero#sthash.EINJF7Gf.dpuf
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Kwon_2 on June 02, 2014, 05:52:27 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3KPry20uX8s/U0MaShmrmhI/AAAAAAABb3M/SnK-ZGBvb50/s1600/0000016@.@.jpg)
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Mr. MB on June 02, 2014, 09:07:52 AM
Wag the Dog

This BS got the shameful VA scandal off the front page. Bergdahl has become the little Albanian girl in the movie.

Meanwhile I am PISSED OFF. My good friend Richard, badly injured at 19 in Nam, sits in his room with a breathing machine waiting months for an appointment at the Phoenix VA.

Shame on Bush and MEGA SHAME on Obama who actually ran for office with the VA as one of his themes.

I wish a pox on the corporatists, the self anointed elite including most of Hollywood and the Country Club set,  a handful of sorry ass Republicans, most of the Democrats, and the leftist media who prolong the downfall of this beautiful country.

It seems to be all about lobby money for re election and blow jobs for the politicians floating on corporate yachts in the Caribbean.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: WillGrant on June 02, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
;D
hahahhaah Awesome , thanks brah !!  :D
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Nails on June 02, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
The US government would never ever cover up or lie to its people




Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: hifrommike65 on June 03, 2014, 02:29:42 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/13-things-you-need-to-know-about-bowe-bergdahl-20140602
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: _bruce_ on June 03, 2014, 03:38:12 AM
Wag the Dog

This BS got the shameful VA scandal off the front page. Bergdahl has become the little Albanian girl in the movie.

Meanwhile I am PISSED OFF. My good friend Richard, badly injured at 19 in Nam, sits in his room with a breathing machine waiting months for an appointment at the Phoenix VA.

Shame on Bush and MEGA SHAME on Obama who actually ran for office with the VA as one of his themes.

I wish a pox on the corporatists, the self anointed elite including most of Hollywood and the Country Club set,  a handful of sorry ass Republicans, most of the Democrats, and the leftist media who prolong the downfall of this beautiful country.

It seems to be all about lobby money for re election and blow jobs for the politicians floating on corporate yachts in the Caribbean.

Anybody who ever thought that the government or system has any sympathy for them is a hopeless case.
Americans have been so scammed that it ain't funny - the 20th century has been literally shaped on the backs of your people. Now that America has largely served her purpose she will be brought down.
Wish the best for Richard, but always remember - the people who benefited from his service are the ones that wish he would just keel over sooner than later.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: agenda21nwo on June 03, 2014, 03:38:30 AM
A muslim Manchurian candidate in the presidency.

This guy Bergdal is the reason that the Rolling Stone reporter got murdered.  It was his last story.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 03, 2014, 03:47:51 AM
Martin Savidge on CNN reporting from Germany, said this to Anderson Cooper:

"This absolutely blew me away when I heard this . . . the army officials say that they have been training specifically for Sgt. Bergdahl's return almost from the day they knew that he became a captive and his personal recovery team, as it's now referred to, has grown to hundreds of people and they actually have been training every six months . . . they've been meeting and training for a week for the last five years, that means they've rehearsed this scenario, including stand-ins for the sergeant and his family, at least 10 times now."

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Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 03, 2014, 03:51:35 AM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2562847/pg1
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: A Righteous Sort on June 03, 2014, 03:59:27 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3KPry20uX8s/U0MaShmrmhI/AAAAAAABb3M/SnK-ZGBvb50/s1600/0000016@.@.jpg)

Gross
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: oldtimer1 on June 03, 2014, 05:10:34 AM
With all this feel good bs the Obama administration is putting out over this deserter or traitor is anyone mentioning the 6 young soldiers who were killed trying to rescue him?
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 03, 2014, 05:11:41 AM
With all this feel good bs the Obama administration is putting out over this deserter or traitor is anyone mentioning the 6 young soldiers who were killed trying to rescue him?

Someone posted on the political board that he actually left a note when he deserted, so there's physical proof. Cover that up

Why the ‘Devastated’ Parents of Soldier Reportedly Killed Searching for Freed POW Bergdahl Are Alleging a ‘Big Cover-Up Like Benghazi’


Jun. 2, 2014 4:31pm Jason Howerton   
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The parents of a soldier allegedly killed while searching for recently released Taliban prisoner Bowe Bergdahl claim they are “devastated” that they were lied to about their son’s death. In an interview with the Daily Mail, the mother and father of slain hero Darryn Andrews went as far as to say there has been a “cover up just like Benghazi.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/02/devastated-parents-of-soldier-reportedly-killed-searching-for-freed-pow-bergdahl-allege-big-cover-up-like-benghazi/
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: crownshep on June 03, 2014, 05:18:20 AM
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/bergdahl-and-bin-laden.html
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: gmflex on June 03, 2014, 05:35:42 AM
Obama is probably going to gain something that he didn't have..
I smell conspiracy  ;D
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: agenda21nwo on June 04, 2014, 06:22:43 AM
Obama negotiates with terrorists.  Obama provides assets to terrorists.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: Nails on June 04, 2014, 11:09:49 AM
the Exchange



Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: The Ugly on June 04, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
Why on Earth would you seek out anything from him?

Exactly.
Title: Bowe Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2014, 02:19:15 PM
No fucking way in hell Obama didn't know about this. I keep telling you he's a traitor.


U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.

The reports indicate that Bergdahl's relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, "he became much more of an accepted fellow" than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times.

The documents show that Bergdahl at one point escaped his captors for five days and was kept, upon his re-capture, in a metal cage, like an animal. In addition, the reports detail discussions of prisoner swaps and other attempts at a negotiated resolution to the case that appear to have commenced as early as the fall of 2009.

The reports are rich in on-the-ground detail -- including the names and locations of the Haqqani commanders who ran the 200-man rotation used to guard the Idaho native -- and present the most detailed view yet of what Bergdahl's life over the past five years has been like. These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.

The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial. A New York Times profile of Clarridge published in January 2011 disclosed the contractual relationship Eclipse had with the Pentagon, through subcontractors, and reported further that Clarridge's activities had included efforts to help find Bergdahl.

Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract from U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the network of informants that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl's status.

Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brigadier General Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at CENTCOM. Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley.

The latter is now commanding general at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence and Fort Huachuca, where a message left with the public affairs office was not immediately returned.

The documents obtained by Fox News show that Eclipse developed and transmitted numerous status reports on the whereabouts of the errant American soldier, spanning a period from October 2009, roughly three months after Bergdahl reportedly walked off his base in Afghanistan and fell into custody of the Haqqani network, up through August 2012.

At one point -- in late June 2010, after Bergdahl succeeded in one of his escape attempts -- the Haqqani commanders constructed a special metal cage for him, and confined him to it. At other points, however, Bergdahl was reported to be happily playing soccer with the Haqqani fighters, taking part in AK-47 target practice and being permitted to carry a firearm of his own, laughing frequently and proclaiming "Salaam," the Arabic word for "peace."

Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps General James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.

Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community -- despite intensive investigation of such allegations -- ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. "We were always looking for actionable intelligence," Mattis said. "It wasn't just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. ... There was never any evidence of collaboration."

Fox News reported on Monday that Bergdahl was the subject of a "major classified file" prepared by the U.S. intelligence community, and that many members of that community harbored concerns that Bergdahl, during his period of captivity, may have engaged in collaboration with the enemy.

Experts consulted by Fox News said that SITREP # 3023 presents a picture of an American captive who, if not an active collaborator, may have succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome -- the dynamic by which hostages can become enamored of their captors and join their cause -- or simply feigned allegiance in order to survive. The report cited a source new to Eclipse -- a member of the Haqqani network said to be close to Mullah Sangeen, the Haqqani commander charged at all points over the last five years with operational custody and control of Bergdahl -- whose trustworthiness had not been fully vetted by the group. However, the report stated, the informant "does have plausible access to the information reported below, and claims to have seen Bergdahl personally in Shawal," in North Waziristan.

"In the early stages Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's captivity," the report states, "he was held at Palasin, Naurak, FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], under the control of Mullah Sangeen and under the direct supervision of Haji Mursaleem, Sangeen's father. Conditions and locality changed after Mursaleem died [in September 2010], and Bergdahl was kept under tight guard after his attempted escape from his new place of detention in Shawal.

"As of August 2012," the report continues, "the person with responsibility for Bergdahl's captivity is Sangeen's brother, who has delegated the actual guarding of Bergdahl to Abubakr Asadkhel, a Burra Khel Wazir loyal to Sangeen, and whose sub-tribe lives in Shawal. Abubakr leads approximately 200 armed men from his tribe and operates from five bases (markaz) in Shawal. ... Abubakr's tribe is one of the prosperous branches of the Wazir and owns lots of trucks. Abubakr circulates his prisoner between schools in the area he controls, and his different insurgent bases."

Conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid.  Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion.  Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and  bounds around the pitch like a mad man.  He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying 'Salaam' repeatedly.

At other points, the SITREPs depict a much nastier relationship between Bergdahl and his captors. In July 2010, Eclipse SITREPs based on confidential talks with Afghan Taliban commanders reported that "the original command structure for the responsibility of holding the captured soldier remains intact."

Overall responsibility for the captive is in the hands of Haqqani commander Sangeen, with Bandiwan, one of his deputies, responsible for making the detailed arrangements. There are two locations where the soldier is kept: one in Degan and the other in Shawal, North Waziristan. When in Degan he is kept in the compound of Eid Wale, a local Dawr who is close to Sangeen and is a chromite dealer. The other location is at Shawal. The [source] confirmed that the soldier had been missing for five days and when he was recovered, he was a little worse from wear (lack of food; a bit slimmer) but otherwise in good health.

But an earlier dispatch stated that after his re-capture, on or about June 22, 2010, Bergdahl was "in ill-health, and has been collapsing." A SITREP dated one week before Bergdahl's ill-fated escape attempt placed him in the Bazaar area of Miramshah, and noted that "he seemed not to be tightly controlled."

The Eclipse reports suggest that negotiations over Bergdahl's fate began within a few months after his capture. An October 2009 SITREP disclosed that Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Pashtun warlord controlling the broader network that bears his name, had reached out through Pakistani political contacts to propose a prisoner swap. A July 2010 SITREP stated that two months prior, in late May, "negotiations between the Haqqani and representatives of the missing US soldier collapsed." At that point, the report said, Bergdahl was moved to a more secure location.

The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents' dispatches as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports." The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case -- all previously unpublished -- available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: "We know what we're talking about."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/05/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-in-2010-secret-documents-show/
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Ugly on June 05, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
Firing squad. Done.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
Firing squad. Done.

Obama, Bergdahl or both!!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 05, 2014, 02:26:13 PM
Obama, Bergdahl or both!!

While I do believe Obama is at his "I can do whatever I fucking want stage", maybe, just maybe, he was interested in his return due to potential extrapolation of Intel surrounding Al-Qaeda.

Sounds like Bergdahl might be a little crazy, but even the crazy can be forced to talkworked with.

"1"
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Nails on June 05, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
But OBAMA killed OSAMA , why would he help OSAMAS people  ??? ???


Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Straw Man on June 05, 2014, 02:39:27 PM
Hey Coach - did you happen to read past the headline
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 05, 2014, 08:13:23 PM
No fucking way in hell Obama didn't know about this. I keep telling you he's a traitor.


U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.

The reports indicate that Bergdahl's relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, "he became much more of an accepted fellow" than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times.

The documents show that Bergdahl at one point escaped his captors for five days and was kept, upon his re-capture, in a metal cage, like an animal. In addition, the reports detail discussions of prisoner swaps and other attempts at a negotiated resolution to the case that appear to have commenced as early as the fall of 2009.

The reports are rich in on-the-ground detail -- including the names and locations of the Haqqani commanders who ran the 200-man rotation used to guard the Idaho native -- and present the most detailed view yet of what Bergdahl's life over the past five years has been like. These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.

The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial. A New York Times profile of Clarridge published in January 2011 disclosed the contractual relationship Eclipse had with the Pentagon, through subcontractors, and reported further that Clarridge's activities had included efforts to help find Bergdahl.

Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract from U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the network of informants that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl's status.

Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brigadier General Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at CENTCOM. Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley.

The latter is now commanding general at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence and Fort Huachuca, where a message left with the public affairs office was not immediately returned.

The documents obtained by Fox News show that Eclipse developed and transmitted numerous status reports on the whereabouts of the errant American soldier, spanning a period from October 2009, roughly three months after Bergdahl reportedly walked off his base in Afghanistan and fell into custody of the Haqqani network, up through August 2012.

At one point -- in late June 2010, after Bergdahl succeeded in one of his escape attempts -- the Haqqani commanders constructed a special metal cage for him, and confined him to it. At other points, however, Bergdahl was reported to be happily playing soccer with the Haqqani fighters, taking part in AK-47 target practice and being permitted to carry a firearm of his own, laughing frequently and proclaiming "Salaam," the Arabic word for "peace."

Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps General James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.

Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community -- despite intensive investigation of such allegations -- ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. "We were always looking for actionable intelligence," Mattis said. "It wasn't just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. ... There was never any evidence of collaboration."

Fox News reported on Monday that Bergdahl was the subject of a "major classified file" prepared by the U.S. intelligence community, and that many members of that community harbored concerns that Bergdahl, during his period of captivity, may have engaged in collaboration with the enemy.

Experts consulted by Fox News said that SITREP # 3023 presents a picture of an American captive who, if not an active collaborator, may have succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome -- the dynamic by which hostages can become enamored of their captors and join their cause -- or simply feigned allegiance in order to survive. The report cited a source new to Eclipse -- a member of the Haqqani network said to be close to Mullah Sangeen, the Haqqani commander charged at all points over the last five years with operational custody and control of Bergdahl -- whose trustworthiness had not been fully vetted by the group. However, the report stated, the informant "does have plausible access to the information reported below, and claims to have seen Bergdahl personally in Shawal," in North Waziristan.

"In the early stages Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's captivity," the report states, "he was held at Palasin, Naurak, FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], under the control of Mullah Sangeen and under the direct supervision of Haji Mursaleem, Sangeen's father. Conditions and locality changed after Mursaleem died [in September 2010], and Bergdahl was kept under tight guard after his attempted escape from his new place of detention in Shawal.

"As of August 2012," the report continues, "the person with responsibility for Bergdahl's captivity is Sangeen's brother, who has delegated the actual guarding of Bergdahl to Abubakr Asadkhel, a Burra Khel Wazir loyal to Sangeen, and whose sub-tribe lives in Shawal. Abubakr leads approximately 200 armed men from his tribe and operates from five bases (markaz) in Shawal. ... Abubakr's tribe is one of the prosperous branches of the Wazir and owns lots of trucks. Abubakr circulates his prisoner between schools in the area he controls, and his different insurgent bases."

Conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid.  Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion.  Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and  bounds around the pitch like a mad man.  He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying 'Salaam' repeatedly.

At other points, the SITREPs depict a much nastier relationship between Bergdahl and his captors. In July 2010, Eclipse SITREPs based on confidential talks with Afghan Taliban commanders reported that "the original command structure for the responsibility of holding the captured soldier remains intact."

Overall responsibility for the captive is in the hands of Haqqani commander Sangeen, with Bandiwan, one of his deputies, responsible for making the detailed arrangements. There are two locations where the soldier is kept: one in Degan and the other in Shawal, North Waziristan. When in Degan he is kept in the compound of Eid Wale, a local Dawr who is close to Sangeen and is a chromite dealer. The other location is at Shawal. The [source] confirmed that the soldier had been missing for five days and when he was recovered, he was a little worse from wear (lack of food; a bit slimmer) but otherwise in good health.

But an earlier dispatch stated that after his re-capture, on or about June 22, 2010, Bergdahl was "in ill-health, and has been collapsing." A SITREP dated one week before Bergdahl's ill-fated escape attempt placed him in the Bazaar area of Miramshah, and noted that "he seemed not to be tightly controlled."

The Eclipse reports suggest that negotiations over Bergdahl's fate began within a few months after his capture. An October 2009 SITREP disclosed that Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Pashtun warlord controlling the broader network that bears his name, had reached out through Pakistani political contacts to propose a prisoner swap. A July 2010 SITREP stated that two months prior, in late May, "negotiations between the Haqqani and representatives of the missing US soldier collapsed." At that point, the report said, Bergdahl was moved to a more secure location.

The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents' dispatches as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports." The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case -- all previously unpublished -- available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: "We know what we're talking about."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/05/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-in-2010-secret-documents-show/



Never heard of Stockholm Syndrome have ya Coach.  He was captured by the Taliban...he did what he had to do to stay alive.  He was kept in a fucking metal cage, was tortured, propped in front of a camera for Taliban propaganda, was feed moldy bread and water....he was brainwashed you jackass


Seriously, shut the fuck up about this guy
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 05, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
He declared jihad huh?...

the horror!

 ::)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Ugly on June 05, 2014, 08:49:17 PM


Never heard of Stockholm Syndrome have ya Coach.  He was captured by the Taliban...he did what he had to do to stay alive.  He was kept in a fucking metal cage, was tortured, propped in front of a camera for Taliban propaganda, was feed moldy bread and water....he was brainwashed you jackass


Seriously, shut the fuck up about this guy

Ha. You said "captured."
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2014, 09:14:01 PM


Never heard of Stockholm Syndrome have ya Coach.  He was captured by the Taliban...he did what he had to do to stay alive.  He was kept in a fucking metal cage, was tortured, propped in front of a camera for Taliban propaganda, was feed moldy bread and water....he was brainwashed you jackass


Seriously, shut the fuck up about this guy

Yeah, I have. And I guarantee you haven't heard of it until today. That being said, they need to find out if it was true Stockholm syndrome or not. Either way dumbshit, he defected. If you would pay attention there's shit breaking about this every hour that just adds to him being a traitor. Fuck, we already know Obama is one. You dumbass liberals who this this guy is innocent should be shipped to another country in a via raft in middle of an ocean. Sorry Vince, your boy Obama and Holder are just as guilty as Bergdahl AND the Taliban. Fuck Obama, give him his due process, find his incompetent ass guilty a an line him up!!

Even the head libs like Feinstien want to know what's up.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 05, 2014, 09:22:42 PM
Yeah, I have. And I guarantee you haven't heard of it until today. That being said, they need to find out if it was true Stockholm syndrome or not. Either way dumbshit, he defected. If you would pay attention there's shit breaking about this every hour that just adds to him being a traitor. Fuck, we already know Obama is one. You dumbass liberals who this this guy is innocent should be shipped to another country in a via raft in middle of an ocean. Sorry Vince, your boy Obama and Holder are just as guilty as Bergdahl AND the Taliban. Fuck Obama, give him his due process, find his incompetent ass guilty a an line him up!!

What did you expect him to do...sing "America, Fuck Yea" or something.  He would have gotten his head chopped off. 
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 05, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
I've heard from several people including his squad leader that he purposely bailed on them and sought out the Taliban.  Also, at no time was he labeled a POW by the United States government.  I'm not saying I know all the details of this situation, but something about this stinks, bad.  Then his wannabe Taliban father comes out speaking Pashto?  Talking all peace to the people of Afghanistan.  WTF?  I want to know exactly what Obama and his people thought they were getting when they made this trade.  They had to know the circumstances of this "soldier".
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
What did you expect him to do...sing "America, Fuck Yea" or something.  He would have gotten his head chopped off. 

Yeah , instead they gave a him a gun and he took target practice with them (Taliban). You actually think they would give him a gun if he were a combatant??
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
What did you expect him to do...sing "America, Fuck Yea" or something.  He would have gotten his head chopped off. 

He appearantly he sung "America, fuck you"!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 05:26:18 AM
Yeah , instead they gave a him a gun and he took target practice with them (Taliban). You actually think they would give him a gun if he were a combatant??


Yes, because they know that he won't try anything stupid and its an Arab code of tradition.  He's brainwashed Joe...that's what captivity, torture, and everything else does to someone.  He did what he had to do.

Sorry he didn't go out in a blaze of glory to please the pundits but its wrong for everyone to jump all over him unless they were in his shoes
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: chixlegs on June 06, 2014, 05:37:10 AM
dumbest post of the year.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: basil on June 06, 2014, 05:43:31 AM
"according to secret documents...purported witness...obtained by Fox News."   Lol
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: _bruce_ on June 06, 2014, 05:54:39 AM
Probably a traitor who's used to cover something deeper.
Why should the news give the real story - all are sponsored by the same circle.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Necrosis on June 06, 2014, 06:03:44 AM
"according to secret documents...purported witness...obtained by Fox News."   Lol

Coach doesn't believe in evolution, the evidence doesn't sway him but this is lock solid stuff.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 06, 2014, 06:22:27 AM
Coach doesn't believe in evolution, the evidence doesn't sway him but this is lock solid stuff.

Like your "global warming" evidence? lol
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 06:45:56 AM
While I do believe Obama is at his "I can do whatever I fucking want stage", maybe, just maybe, he was interested in his return due to potential extrapolation of Intel surrounding Al-Qaeda.

Sounds like Bergdahl might be a little crazy, but even the crazy can be forced to talkworked with.

"1"

Intelligence orgs are less likely to gather actionable intel from Bergdahl than they ever would from those they released.  I doubt Bergdahl has anything of worth to provide.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 06:48:57 AM

Yes, because they know that he won't try anything stupid and its an Arab code of tradition.  He's brainwashed Joe...that's what captivity, torture, and everything else does to someone.  He did what he had to do.

Sorry he didn't go out in a blaze of glory to please the pundits but its wrong for everyone to jump all over him unless they were in his shoes

Bergdahl was not captured, he willingly left of his own accord.   He voiced anti-american rhetoric before he left base camp.  He was well aware of the potential threats which indicates to me that he expected to encounter the taliban.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 08:02:50 AM
Bergdahl was not captured, he willingly left of his own accord.   He voiced anti-american rhetoric before he left base camp.  He was well aware of the potential threats which indicates to me that he expected to encounter the taliban.


We don't even know what happened.  He could have went out to meditate for all we know or those soldiers are covering their asses.  Besides that, I would find it odd for him to walk off base with nothing more than a knife.  And he wasn't spouting any Anti American Rhetoric....no more than any other soldier tired of dying for a puppet war and shot up full of drugs.


I could bet that if he died, the GOP and Fox News would have been all over Obama for allowing "An American POW and Hero" to die... ::)

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 08:28:29 AM

We don't even know what happened.  He could have went out to meditate for all we know or those soldiers are covering their asses.  Besides that, I would find it odd for him to walk off base with nothing more than a knife.  And he wasn't spouting any Anti American Rhetoric....no more than any other soldier tired of dying for a puppet war and shot up full of drugs.


I could bet that if he died, the GOP and Fox News would have been all over Obama for allowing "An American POW and Hero" to die... ::)




He made multiple statements about leaving.  Sure soldiers complain but the vast majority dont up and leave toward enemy territory.    It makes perfect sense why he left his gear and took only a knife.  If he had walked into enemy  territory in uniform carrying his military issued weapon he would have been shot on sight.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 06, 2014, 09:02:46 AM

We don't even know what happened.  He could have went out to meditate for all we know or those soldiers are covering their asses.  Besides that, I would find it odd for him to walk off base with nothing more than a knife.  And he wasn't spouting any Anti American Rhetoric....no more than any other soldier tired of dying for a puppet war and shot up full of drugs.


I could bet that if he died, the GOP and Fox News would have been all over Obama for allowing "An American POW and Hero" to die... ::)



No, just like Benghazi, 6 soldiers got killed on a mission looking for this guy. So, yes. Obama killed 6 more looking for a traitor.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Mawse on June 06, 2014, 09:05:20 AM

Obama is black so I must defend him to the death


Yes, yes we get it.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Necrosis on June 06, 2014, 09:05:26 AM
No, just like Benghazi, 6 soldiers got killed on a mission looking for this guy. So, yes. Obama killed 6 more looking for a traitor.

ya Bush never got anyone killed? it's the military you are a bleeding heart.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: haider on June 06, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
ya Bush never got anyone killed? it's the military you are a bleeding heart.
haha, Coach is the woman in the following short joke. All reasoning leads to him being right:

"A woman thought her husband was being unfaithful to her and so looked for traces of women's hair on his shoulders when he came home. Finding nothing she said "All right. Who is this bald woman you're carrying on with?!""
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 06, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
ya Bush never got anyone killed? it's the military you are a bleeding heart.

You mean like when they compared Obama's embassy deaths to Bush's? You little left wing propaganda bullshit got debunked almost immediately since no Americans or ambassadors got killed. Btw, the soldiers that died for the traitor got a stamped signed form letter from Obama, Bush invited the parents to his house for dinner as a gesture of gratitude. YOUR (whatever the fuck he is) is a vial piece of shit.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: 240 is Back on June 06, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
i dont even know why repubs get mad anymore.  he showed he was capable of anything with fast & furious, and nobody impeached him.  He showed he'll let innocent people die with benghazi, nobody impeached.  He has done a lot of silly illegal shit, with terrible ramifications for america, and aside form bitching about it on FOX news, nobody has impeached.

So really, acting all surprised "oh wow, how could he?", stop acting outraged.  It's like "oh, woe is me, my kid just ate a 5th cupcake, this is terrible!"   After letting him eat the first 4 and doing nothing to stop him.

Repubs DO have the power to start impeachment but they choose not to.  we ELECTED them to protect us from people who hurt america - in this case, what obama is doing.  So repubs aren't doing their job, using their power to impeach.  The solution here "vote repub" doesn't fly, as many did, and repubs ain't stopping him.   Call your rep and ask them to impeach.  Watch the "well, but, see, can't do that..." bullshit come out.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on June 06, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
If obama would had traded 5 talibans against him coach would have cried that obama is unpatriotic for abandoning a american soldier.

but something is fishy with this story, if he deserted he is no longer a soldier and should have been left there
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Nails on June 06, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
(http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/5558/7276chess_pawn.jpg)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: That_Dude on June 06, 2014, 02:54:34 PM
Berdahl and Obama are both traitors. To a more serious issue where a true innocent man is being held captive when will Halo be freed? This is ridiculous OMR please free Anabolichalo
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 03:26:24 PM

We don't even know what happened.  He could have went out to meditate for all we know or those soldiers are covering their asses.  Besides that, I would find it odd for him to walk off base with nothing more than a knife.  And he wasn't spouting any Anti American Rhetoric....no more than any other soldier tired of dying for a puppet war and shot up full of drugs.

4
I could bet that if he died, the GOP and Fox News would have been all over Obama for allowing "An American POW and Hero" to die... ::)d



You sure changed your tune between the zimmerman case and Bergdahl.  You make a shit load of declarative statements about that case without knowing what happened and not being there. Youre so transparent and as dumb as  as a retard with a head injury.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on June 06, 2014, 03:28:33 PM
No, just like Benghazi, 6 soldiers got killed on a mission looking for this guy. So, yes. Obama killed 6 more looking for a traitor.
13 embassy attacks and 60 killed during bush. why the sudden interest?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: James28 on June 06, 2014, 03:40:17 PM
13 embassy attacks and 60 killed during bush. why the sudden interest?

Hahaha.

GOP,  the party of Stupid  :-X
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 03:43:03 PM
13 embassy attacks and 60 killed during bush. why the sudden interest?

Cheap. I personally cared when bush was in office just as much as I care now. 
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Straw Man on June 06, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Bergdahl was not captured, he willingly left of his own accord.   He voiced anti-american rhetoric before he left base camp.  He was well aware of the potential threats which indicates to me that he expected to encounter the taliban.

how does any of what you wrote above mean that he was not captured as in apprehended and detained against his will

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: AbrahamG on June 06, 2014, 04:43:34 PM
At this point, no one knows shit.  Myself included.  Just because 6 soldiers say 6 soldiers died looking for him doesn't make it so.  It could end up being true or it could end up being in the swift boat family.  Keep your pants on Dorothy.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 05:14:48 PM
how does any of what you wrote above mean that he was not captured as in apprehended and detained against his will



It means that in all likelihood Bergdahl was aware he would encounter taliban.  Leaving his gear at the base would indicate he was removing evidence of his military identity for the purpose not being associated with the military and avoid being shot on sight.  He also carried limit supplies, meaning he knew where he was going, probably a populated area he had previous knowledge of in order to seek food and water.  I doubt he knew he terrain well enough to sustain himself for very long.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Straw Man on June 06, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
It means that in all likelihood Bergdahl was aware he would encounter taliban.  Leaving his gear at the base would indicate he was removing evidence of his military identity for the purpose not being associated with the military and avoid being shot on sight.  He also carried limit supplies, meaning he knew where he was going, probably a populated area he had previous knowledge of in order to seek food and water.  I doubt he knew he terrain well enough to sustain himself for very long.

how does any of those assumptions void the ability for him to be captured?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on June 06, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
Cheap. I personally cared when bush was in office just as much as I care now. 
Fair enough.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Archer77 on June 06, 2014, 05:54:30 PM
how does any of those assumptions void the ability for him to be captured?

Can a person be captured when they walk right up to the enemy
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 06, 2014, 06:04:28 PM

Yes, because they know that he won't try anything stupid and its an Arab code of tradition.  He's brainwashed Joe...that's what captivity, torture, and everything else does to someone.  He did what he had to do.

Sorry he didn't go out in a blaze of glory to please the pundits but its wrong for everyone to jump all over him unless they were in his shoes

What does that have to do with it? He was captured by afghans.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 06, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
13 embassy attacks and 60 killed during bush. why the sudden interest?

Again dumbshit, if you would pay attention and quit believing the left wing bullshit you would know that no Americans were killed and no ambassadors. But I guess you missed that part didn't you?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Straw Man on June 06, 2014, 07:03:27 PM
Can a person be captured when they walk right up to the enemy

of course he can still be captured

do you truly not understand that?

Also, where do you get the idea that he "walked right up to the enemy"

This was already posted on the Politics Board but here is a salient excerpt

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-commanders-say-they-found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846

Quote
The Taliban found Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walking alone, acting abnormally and cursing his countrymen before they captured him in Afghanistan in 2009, two men who were Taliban commanders at the time told NBC News on Thursday.

They said that Afghan locals first informed fighters about the soldier, and then the fighters rushed to capture him.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
You sure changed your tune between the zimmerman case and Bergdahl.  You make a shit load of declarative statements about that case without knowing what happened and not being there. Youre so transparent and as dumb as  as a retard with a head injury.


One definitely doesn't have to do with the other.  Zimmerman chased that boy and killed him....plain and simple.  Doesn't matter if he got off....even the jury knows the errors of their ways
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 07:07:57 PM
of course he can still be captured

do you truly not understand that?

Also, where do you get the idea that he "walked right up to the enemy"

This was already posted on the Politics Board but here is a salient excerpt

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-commanders-say-they-found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846



He left the base to blow off some stream and gather his thoughts.  Really stupid idea but not desertion
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Straw Man on June 06, 2014, 07:11:07 PM

He left the base to blow off some stream and gather his thoughts.  Really stupid idea but not desertion

definitely stupid and he could well have intended to desert (i.e. not return) though if he'd left before and come back then who really knows what he was doing this time

I don't know how long you have to be missing before you go from AWOL to deserter

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on June 06, 2014, 07:15:42 PM
That Bergdahl dude is fukced either way. If he wasn't an opiate addict before he went into the military, he sure as hell came home one...
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 07:29:10 PM
definitely stupid and he could well have intended to desert (i.e. not return) though if he'd left before and come back then who really knows what he was doing this time

I don't know how long you have to be missing before you go from AWOL to deserter



There's no timetable....Desertion simply is leaving an area without permission from your superior officer without the intent of returning.  He did leave without permission and he did mail a number of his personal items back to his parents.  However, there's no evidence that he did not intend on returning and we'll never know since he was immediately captured by the Taliban.

I think he's definitely guilty of "Failure to Repair"....a much less serious offense.  However, he's not going to be charged with anything.  He's going to be medically retired and that will be the end of it.  Charging a guy who's been a POW by the Taliban for 5 years would never happen.....he's already suffered enough
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Ugly on June 06, 2014, 07:35:10 PM
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 07:40:40 PM
What, he's a slumlord, too?


No...that's what the military terms it as...its in Wikipedia and the UCMJ. 
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Ugly on June 06, 2014, 07:41:52 PM

No...that's what the military terms it as...its in Wikipedia and the UCMJ. 

My mistake. Post deleted.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 06, 2014, 07:58:22 PM
What's most disgusting is that this poor kid just got home from 5 years of captivity in a metal cage, tortured, beaten, and God knows what and rather than some compassion...he's being treated like shit from the GOP along with his father and mother.  They've been though enough stuff....I bet that his father and mother haven't slept well for years.  Just imagine the stress they had.


Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 06, 2014, 08:01:10 PM

He left the base to blow off some stream and gather his thoughts.  Really stupid idea but not desertion

"He left to blow off some steam"? hahahahahaha

You're just trolling now Vince.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: The Ugly on June 07, 2014, 10:56:47 AM
What's most disgusting is that this poor kid just got home from 5 years of captivity in a metal cage, tortured, beaten, and God knows what and rather than some compassion...he's being treated like shit from the GOP along with his father and mother.  They've been though enough stuff....I bet that his father and mother haven't slept well for years.  Just imagine the stress they had.




Jesus.
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 07, 2014, 11:03:20 AM
I say we send in Mark Wahlberg.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: The Ugly on June 07, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
With all this feel good bs the Obama administration is putting out over this deserter or traitor is anyone mentioning the 6 young soldiers who were killed trying to rescue him?

It's been addressed. But the apologists here don't like "deserter" or "traitor," they prefer "captured."
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: jon cole on June 07, 2014, 11:14:58 AM
The fuck? ???

Muslim Bowe deserted and our Muslim president exchanged him for dangerous Gitmo prisoners while his Muslim father tweets about freeing everyone at Gitmo?

Time to put Muslims in internment camps?

Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told

The inconsistencies and suspicious aspects of Sgt. Bergdahl's release and exchange for five Taliban commanders would strain the credulity of an episode of the national security drama Homeland.

Unfortunately, however, this is reality and part of a war in which thousands of Americans, civilian and uniformed alike, have made the ultimate sacrifice.

Those in the administration who authorized negotiations with the terrorists who are ideologically allies to those responsible for the murders of September 11th, 2001 will have to answer these questions:

How did Sgt. Bergdahl fall into the hands of the Enemy? The official version is that he left his post without permission, yet on a video his captors released, Bergdahl says he was the Tail-End Charlie of a foot patrol and became separated. Which is it? Did he go AWOL? Will he be charged with desertion?

Why did his father – who wears a full beard typical of fundamentalist Salafi Muslims – praise Allah in Arabic in the press conference with the Commander-in-Chief in front of the White House?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/01/6-Things-We-Are-Not-Being-Told-About-Sgt-Bergdahl

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Im french so let me learn you a thing ot two about islam.
As i live in a future islamic country, islam is a powerful stuff, it can change mind and body of ppl who fall into.

In the past few arab friend of mine go to high school where they meet student coming from arab country.
A year after i could barely recognize my former friend. Beard, dressed with djellaba, empty and fanatic look, even their way to speak was changed.
i witnessed that thousand time since, when a ppl fall into islam, she totally change. Specially the look in the eye, you can feel fanatism.


Islam is a strenuous activity, you go to the mosquee 5 time a day / 365 day a year. You go to the mosquee a 22 p.m to pray and you come back at 4 a.m to pray. Then you come back again at 11/14/17 pm. So your whole life is all about islam. You can't have a full night of sleep, you don't have time to read watch tv, your only concern is islam, and the coran, you read the coran all day long, you think everything is in the coran.
So with that kind of way of life, you quickly become a fanatic.
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: The Ugly on June 07, 2014, 11:27:52 AM

Im french so let me learn you a thing ot two about islam.
As i live in a future islamic country, islam is a powerful stuff, it can change mind and body of ppl who fall into.

In the past few arab friend of mine go to high school where they meet student coming from arab country.
A year after i could barely recognize my former friend. Beard, dressed with djellaba, empty and fanatic look, even their way to speak was changed.
i witnessed that thousand time since, when a ppl fall into islam, she totally change. Specially the look in the eye, you can feel fanatism.


Islam is a strenuous activity, you go to the mosquee 5 time a day / 365 day a year. You go to the mosquee a 22 p.m to pray and you come back at 4 a.m to pray. Then you come back again at 11/14/17 pm. So your whole life is all about islam. You can't have a full night of sleep, you don't have time to read watch tv, your only concern is islam, and the coran, you read the coran all day long, you think everything is in the coran.
So with that kind of way of life, you quickly become a fanatic.

He did it for the virgins.
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: Nails on June 07, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He'll Fight Americans Again

 One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative.
 

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Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on June 07, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
Again dumbshit, if you would pay attention and quit believing the left wing bullshit you would know that no Americans were killed and no ambassadors. But I guess you missed that part didn't you?
Maybe if you took the RINO dick out of your mouth for a second you wouldn't be a cross eyed guy.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 07, 2014, 03:08:08 PM
"He left to blow off some steam"? hahahahahaha

You're just trolling now Vince.


He did it 2 times in training according to military records....don't see why its not any different this time
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on June 08, 2014, 07:39:38 AM
Again dumbshit, if you would pay attention and quit believing the left wing bullshit you would know that no Americans were killed and no ambassadors. But I guess you missed that part didn't you?
still attacks againsy usa
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: hifrommike65 on June 09, 2014, 09:14:37 AM
Bergdahl's unsanctioned walkabouts might have just  been tempting fate. In the 1980s, a group of western journalists had dinners in unsafe areas of wartorn Beirut in a similar fashion. Of course, some of them ended up kidnapped or dead.
Title: Re: Sgt. Bergdahl: What We Are Not Being Told
Post by: wolfrittner on June 09, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
;D
:D :D :D
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: DanielPaul on June 09, 2014, 04:06:29 PM

He did it 2 times in training according to military records....don't see why its not any different this time
are you in another fucking world, use your common sense and don't always give the situation the benefit of the doubt so you don't have to admit that the president took a gamble at a move that he thought could increase popularity and it blew smooth the fuck up in his face.  Now there is rumored to be a possibility that a ransom was paid as well as the trade.  The president is an ordinary man just like any other human and we all make mistakes but this one is off the charts and the people that are by his side advising him need to be taken out and shot for the things they have advised him to do.  I can understand you being an African male and really wanting him to succeed because there is a kinship there but one thing you have to ask yourself is , is it any easier being a black man today than it was 6 years ago. 
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in 2010, secret documents show
Post by: Kwon_2 on June 09, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
What's most disgusting is that this poor kid just got home from 5 years of captivity in a metal cage, tortured, beaten, and God knows what and rather than some compassion...he's being treated like shit from the GOP along with his father and mother.  They've been though enough stuff....I bet that his father and mother haven't slept well for years.  Just imagine the stress they had.




What? He went and trained with the Talibans for 5 years and you want him to get compassion???
Title: Re: Bowe Bergdahl - discussion - what we are not being told?
Post by: Schnauzer on June 09, 2014, 04:30:02 PM
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May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb
  

They did not attack a diplomatic compound, but rather three compounds owned by Western companies.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_compound_bombings  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_compound_bombings)

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March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.

The suicide bomber did not attack the US Consulate. He detonated himself in the Marriott parking lot next door.
 http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/01/karachi.blast/  (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/01/karachi.blast/)

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September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

This one they did attack the US Embassy in Yemen (the second time that year). The terrorists were dressed as policemen, not military officials, and 18 people were killed, not 16.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_attack_on_the_American_Embassy_in_Yemen  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_attack_on_the_American_Embassy_in_Yemen)