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With four more wins, the Miami Heat will match one of Michael Jordan's greatest feats -- three straight NBA championships -- but former Bull Horace Grant says that doesn't mean LeBron James' team could have beaten those Chicago teams.
Horace Grant says the Heat "wouldn't have had a chance" against the Michael Jordan-led Bulls.
"The Heat wouldn't have had a chance," Grant said Tuesday on WSCR-AM in Chicago. "We would have locked them up. We would have locked them up. Especially with the rules today, Michael would have had a field day."
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/11027394/lebron-james-miami-heat-no-match-michael-jordan-chicago-bulls-says-horace-grant
I'm thinking he's right. 8)
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And this is coming from Horace Grant who hates Jordans guts
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And this is coming from Horace Grant who hates Jordans guts
A lot of teammates and opponents hated Jordan. He was the best and he knew it.
And Horace grant is right....the Heat would have no chance against Jordan's 91-93 or 96-98 3peat teams. Especially with today's defensive rules.
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Looks like bodybuilding isn't the only thing better in the '90s. NBA basketball, college basketball, MLB (steroid era), and probably college football ('95 Cornhuskers would have destroyed last year's Florida St. team).
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Today's professional athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and better
Other than that it always amazes me how so many of these old guys sprout the same bs line about how much better they were. Only reason they say it is because they know there is no way it could ever be proven. Modern pro team vs older gen pro team will win 9 times out of 10
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Looks like bodybuilding isn't the only thing better in the '90s. NBA basketball, college basketball, MLB (steroid era), and probably college football ('95 Cornhuskers would have destroyed last year's Florida St. team).
Throw Rogers NFL in there to. I miss the days of the receiver getting lit up going over the middle. Don't want to get lit up beat him or run a different play. It must be frustrating for heavy hitters to play D these days. Ronnie Lott prob wouldn't be Ronnie Lott under these rules. Shit every dick buckus tackle is a penalty by today's rules
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fuck Horace grant, using Lebron to become fucken relevant.
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Hand-checking was outlawed in 1994. This is a big reason I think (that and PED :D) why Jordan was still able to run a train on the league in his mid-30s.
Jordan in his 20s probably could have averaged near 40 points without the rule.
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Hand-checking was outlawed in 1994. This is a big reason I think (that and PED :D) why Jordan was still able to run a train on the league in his mid-30s.
Jordan in his 20s probably could have averaged near 40 points without the rule.
Hand checking was outlawed in 2004
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Lebron > jordan
Wade > pippen
Bosh > grant
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Hand checking was outlawed in 2004
No it wasn't.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
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Bulls were great, but I'd love to see the height/weight of the average NBA player then, and now.
I'd guess there's bigger, stronger, faster today. Bulls were more dominant in their ERA, but face to face, statistics say Heat would dominate them, just too powerful physically
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Whore-Ass Grant
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QFT ...
The Heat are overrated..
The heat wouldn't even win when the spurs had the twin towers ..
David Robinson & Tim Duncan together ;D
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Bigger, faster, stronger?? LOL...some of you guys act like Jordan played 40 years ago. Take a look at Jordan and his teammates in the 90's. Those guys didn't look like any smaller than today's players at the same position.
Faster?? That's a joke....if it were possible I would challenge any NBA shooting guard or small forward in a foot race going coast to coast with Jordan or Pippen, or Maurice Cheeks in their prime.
Stronger?? Pull up youtube and see how many times Jordan and Pippen were dunking on NBA centers. Jordan was a strong man. He worked out like a maniac.
The defensive rules of the 80's and 90's would have Dwayne Wade and Lebron crying like bitches to the referees constantly.
People need to get fucking real and stop the nonsense. It's not about not being able to let go of the past. Jordan's championship teams were better than Lebron's Heat, end of story.
To quote Jordan who once said....."Anyone else win 72 games?" And that was during a time were the quality of the NBA was so much better than today's product.
Today's under 30 tattoo era of the NBA are mostly lazy pot smoking shits. Half of them don't even practice hard, I'll bet.
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No it wasn't.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
You could still hand check from your baskets foul line and in until 2004, that just stopped excessive hand checking when running full court press.
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You could still hand check from your baskets foul line and in until 2004, that just stopped excessive hand checking when running full court press.
...or when guarding a perimeter player, like Jordan.
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Lebron is making Spoelstra the new Phil Jackson
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Hand-checking was outlawed in 1994. This is a big reason I think (that and PED :D) why Jordan was still able to run a train on the league in his mid-30s.
Jordan in his 20s probably could have averaged near 40 points without the rule.
He almost did in 1987. Averaged 37.1 PPG. He was averaging 40 a game for the first 3 months of the season.
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...or when guarding a perimeter player, like Jordan.
But do some reading, they never called the hand check foul anyway after 1994, it was put in but ignored.Certainly was never called used at the 3 point line to the start of the key on all sides, which was where Jordan operated.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/833257-michael-jordan-could-he-really-score-50-with-the-hand-check-rules-in-place
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But do some reading, they never called the hand check foul anyway after 1994, it was put in but ignored.Certainly was never called used at the 3 point line to the start of the key on all sides, which was where Jordan operated.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/833257-michael-jordan-could-he-really-score-50-with-the-hand-check-rules-in-place
That article doesn't say that at all, even if "Bleacher Report" were some sort of credible authority on the matter.
I am guessing you didn't actually watch much NBA in the mid-90s, if you did you would not be making such a stupid argument. The "clarification" / stressing of the hand-check rule in 1994 was a big deal and was actually one of the big reasons Jordan unretired.
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Why don't they ask Pippen that question. He thinks Lebron is better than Jordan.
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LeBron is a lot more athletic then Jordan, Jordan was certainly more agile and acrobatic though. Lebron is like 250 plus and 6'8, many players have went on record to state he is the fastest up the court, he makes others look like they are standing still at times, kinda like westbrook.
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LeBron is a lot more athletic then Jordan, Jordan was certainly more agile and acrobatic though. Lebron is like 250 plus and 6'8, many players have went on record to state he is the fastest up the court, he makes others look like they are standing still at times, kinda like westbrook.
What kind of shit are you spouting? Jordan did this athletically that boggle the mind.
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What kind of shit are you spouting? Jordan did this athletically that boggle the mind.
Just facts, stop sucking Michael's dick!
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LeBron is a lot more athletic then Jordan, Jordan was certainly more agile and acrobatic though. Lebron is like 250 plus and 6'8, many players have went on record to state he is the fastest up the court, he makes others look like they are standing still at times, kinda like westbrook.
No and no.
Not doubting Lebron's athleticism...he's a freak of nature. But Jordan was a bigger freak of nature. And Lebron is not as fast as Westbrook. Let's not talk nonsense. Westbrook is a dart.
Yes...I'm on Jordan's dick. He's the greatest player that ever lived. No player except Kobe had a greater will to win and flat out beat your ass. Jordan was an assassin in shorts.
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Jordan 6/6 in the Finals, impressive achievement
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Why do people cling so tightly to "their" guy ?
Lebron is great too...just as good as Jordan
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Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.
Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.
The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize, and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.
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Jordan did something that I have only seen one other player do and that is Westbrook in the last series and that is jump up for a dunk and somehow make time stand still. Insane what these guys could do in the air. Westbrook is vastly underrated. Hate the guy but he is probably a better player than Durant. Durant is a sick shooter but Westbrook can do a lot more on the court.
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Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.
Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.
The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize, and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.
Disagree. Let's not forget that we're comparing two players that played two different positions. Once Lebron reaches his mid-30's he'll still be deadly despite decreased athleticism. The reason is because he's starting to develop a post game and playing with his back to the basket. He obviously has the size for it. He won't need to bring the ball upcourt or stay on the wing. He can be an effective 4 player well into late 30's, I think.
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Disagree. Let's not forget that we're comparing two players that played two different positions. Once Lebron reaches his mid-30's he'll still be deadly despite decreased athleticism. The reason is because he's starting to develop a post game and playing with his back to the basket. He obviously has the size for it. He won't need to bring the ball upcourt or stay on the wing. He can be an effective 4 player well into late 30's, I think.
He certainly can, but it is all dependent on whether or not he can develop said fundamentals to a high level. He is a long long way from the types of skill jordan and even kobe have with back to basket
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No and no.
Not doubting Lebron's athleticism...he's a freak of nature. But Jordan was a bigger freak of nature. And Lebron is not as fast as Westbrook. Let's not talk nonsense. Westbrook is a dart.
Yes...I'm on Jordan's dick. He's the greatest player that ever lived. No player except Kobe had a greater will to win and flat out beat your ass. Jordan was an assassin in shorts.
Here is where you are blinded by your hero worship of Jordan. Will and physical ability are 2 different things, Lebron can, and has played and defended all 5 positions on the court. Jordan didn't nor did he have the physical ability to do it. Only Magic has ever done that. Lebron is more of a combination of the two a high bred that has never been seen in the NBA.
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LeBron's shooting (mid range and 3s) has improved a lot. People say his post-up game has improved but I don't see it, he seems to get pretty much all his points from drives and long jumpers. I haven't watched him much (at all, really) this year though.
He's a much better 3pt shooter than Jordan was. Jordan was only consistent on threes for those few years where they moved the line into 19 feet or whatever it was.
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refs tipped it for MJ in the playoffs whenever he was behind.
The phantom fouls when CHI was down 0-2 to the Knicks were sickening.
They beat the shit out of LeBron on half his drives and he doesn't get that many whistles.
jordan had the coolest attitude ever- fcking cruel, insecure a-hole that dominated a player while smiling for the McCameras.
Lebron was soft as a popcorn fart, let's be honest. Given the world and "king james" nickname before finishing high school. Heck, he signed a 90 mil Adidas deal the day the high school basketball season ended lol. nike and reebok were putting up billboards near St-V high school begging him to join lol.
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Here is where you are blinded by your hero worship of Jordan. Will and physical ability are 2 different things, Lebron can, and has played and defended all 5 positions on the court. Jordan didn't nor did he have the physical ability to do it. Only Magic has ever done that. Lebron is more of a combination of the two a high bred that has never been seen in the NBA.
Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.
ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, but he was close. Magic rarely played all 5 positions and never really had to. He started at center once as a rookie in the 1980 NBA finals. What other occasion did he showcase his ability to play all 5 positions effectively? By comparison, Jordan played the point guard position in '89 for an entire season and was outstanding, statistics-wise.
Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope. That right there to me, shows Jordan was a better all around player than Lebron is now, not because of being able to play all 5 positions because of your size.
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Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.
ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, he wasn't. Jordan played the point guard position in '89 and had an outstanding season statistics-wise.
Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope.
[/quote ]Never said he was a better player than Lebron, he is a better more gifted athlete than Jordan. That certainly may change when it is all said and done and Lebron retires.
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ok....so where am I 'blinded' by my hero worship of Jordan? my argument since the start of this thread was that Jordan was/is the better player than LeBron. I'm using facts to support my argument.
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This comparison of Lebron to Jordan should not even be discussed for it least another 5 years.
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This comparison of Lebron to Jordan should not even be discussed for it least another 5 years.
Fair enough. But back to the original threads topic....Jordan's Bulls would handle Lebron's Heat.
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10 B.J. Armstrong PG 6-2 175
17 Ricky Blanton SF 6-7 215
24 Bill Cartwright C 7-1 245
40 Joe Courtney PF 6-8 235
3 Jo Jo English SG 6-4 195
54 Horace Grant PF 6-10 215
23 Michael Jordan SG 6-6 195
21 Stacey King C 6-11 230
22 Rodney McCray SF 6-7 220
45 Ed Nealy PF 6-7 238
5 John Paxson PG 6-2 185
32 Will Perdue C 7-0 240
33 Scottie Pippen SF 6-8 210
6 Trent Tucker SG 6-5 193
20 Darrell Walker PG 6-4 180
12 Corey Williams PG 6-2 190
42 Scott Williams PF 6-10 230
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34 Ray Allen SG 6-5 205
11 Chris Andersen C 6-10 230
50 Joel Anthony C 6-9 245
31 Shane Battier SF 6-8 220
8 Michael Beasley SF 6-9 235
1 Chris Bosh C 6-10 228
15 Mario Chalmers PG 6-1 190
30 Norris Cole PG 6-2 170
0 Toney Douglas PG 6-2 190
7 Justin Hamilton C 7-0 260
40 Udonis Haslem PF 6-8 230
6 LeBron James PF 6-8 240
22 James Jones SF 6-8 225
9 Rashard Lewis SF 6-10 215
14 DeAndre Liggins SG 6-6 209
21 Roger Mason SG 6-5 200
20 Greg Oden C 7-0 250
3 Dwyane Wade SG 6-4 212
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Whoever quoted that James can defend all positions is full of shit. That didn't work so well when he tried to stop Parker last year. James couldn't guard Dwight Howard if he tried. Shaq in his prime would have squashed James.
Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.
ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, but he was close. Magic rarely played all 5 positions and never really had to. He started at center once as a rookie in the 1980 NBA finals. What other occasion did he showcase his ability to play all 5 positions effectively? By comparison, Jordan played the point guard position in '89 for an entire season and was outstanding, statistics-wise.
Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope. That right there to me, shows Jordan was a better all around player than Lebron is now, not because of being able to play all 5 positions because of your size.
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Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.
Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.
The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize, and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.
What numbers? advanced stats favor Lebron actually, win shares, per, his eff rating was the highest ever in his third MVP season. He is more athletic then Jordan, he runs faster, is stronger and jumps higher all while being bigger. Jordan was a different type of athlete, more finesse, agility.